Are you kidding with this? It looks like you can't decide if you want to do ChiSao, Spar or do some kind of point fighting... This is so counter productive... These guys are not trained enough to use any actual sticking skills and starting off rolling is just pointless... The gear used also prevents proper use of the tools and sensitivity... If you roll, then disengage only to attack from a distance then there is ZERO point in rolling and you don't know how to use any of the tools or concepts... Full STOP. What are the rules? The rules are critical to defining what you get out of this... Look ChiSao is a COOPERATIVE DRILL not fighting and mixing it in with fighting is plain silly... What are you trying to do? Why not just use cross hands and then fight from there? Jesus... Or just fight... Clearly these guys don't know what to do because they start IN CONTACT and then BACKUP... LOL