Se7en | Canadians First Time Watching | Incredibly disturbing and !@#$ed up | Movie Reaction

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[@sean---the-other-one]

Se7en is an amazing movie, but it’s not for everyone. Beware the possibility that if you continue to watch movies recommended to you on KZbin that you might find some to be beyond your comfort level. Some people seem to thrive on disturbing content, others would not seek it out. I knew you would struggle with this, and I think you’d agree that you don’t feel better for having watched it. I personally don’t like horror movies. I can watch them, but if they’re not very good it’s cheesy, and if they’re too good then I feel frightened or repulsed or whatever. I don’t like feeling frightened or repulsed or whatever so I don’t seek this stuff out. Some movies can’t be unseen and they can stay with you. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

[@jp3813]

@@sean---the-other-one This isn't really a horror movie though. As someone who hates that genre (there's probably only ten that I like to watch and most of them are tame), this film is one of my favorites. Likely b/c we only see the aftermath of the tortures and it seems like a Batman story, though a much darker one.

[@sean---the-other-one]

@@jp3813 Sure. But it’s semantics. I predominantly was talking about disturbing stuff. One way or another it’s pretty clear that this movie was not enjoyed by the bingers.

[@RraMakutsi]

@@sean---the-other-one A movie doesn't necessarily have to be enjoyable to be good... one of the best movies I have ever seen is one that I wouldn't watch again, even if you paid me (Lars von Trier's "Dancer In The Dark"). "Se7en" is objectively a very good movie, and one that aspiring filmmakers should study in depth, despite containing material which makes some people uncomfortable. Not trying to criticize your comment, just trying to use it as a jumping off point for further discussion... as you stated previously, it is an amazing movie, just not for everyone.

[@sean---the-other-one]

@@RraMakutsi I absolutely agree. Se7en is fantastic; the story, directing, and acting are superb. I’d recommend it, but not to everyone. I’m old enough to watch The Human Centipede, but I’m not going to. There are things that you can quite happily go through your life without watching or experiencing. The more brutal and disturbing the input we give our minds and heart, the tougher we might become, but we might also lose something more valuable. Some KZbin reactors seem well placed to watch all sorts of macabre and horrible stuff. Others seem a lot more tender than that. I tend to see a lot of comments that recommend movies that seem well out of the ‘ability’ of the reactors. I suppose a good analogy would be whether to recommend that anyone swim in one of the most treacherous surf beaches in the world, or whether it’s necessary to make a judgement call on who to suggest might not be up to the challenge. A movie can’t be unseen.

[@robofwonder]

This movie was my first date with my wife. That was a dumb move. This is not a first date movie! But remarkably she came back for a second date, and the rest is history!

[@krwawyrzeznik]

My first date film with one of my ex gfs was Irreversible.

[@wild_coach9]

@@krwawyrzeznik like the movie irreversible or the damage was irreversible lmao

[@krwawyrzeznik]

@@wild_coach9 both xD

[@dantejordan4847]

@@krwawyrzeznik Dead💀😂

[@csmelen]

LOL. You are so lucky so didn't drop you like a bad habit. Great story my friend.

[@christiankalk4668]

This movie caused a HUGE stir when it came out. It was THE movie everyone was talking about because of the sheer shock factor. And Kevin Spacey not being listed in the credits or marketing made the impact of his appearance that much stronger. How many thrillers have been spoiled because you're waiting for a certain actor to make their appearance?

[@txaggievet]

After we saw it in the theater we all drove home, did not say a word, do not think we said anything for several hours, I even felt ill for a couple of days... Yes it was a shocking and heavy movie

[@mistofoles]

He was credited in the ending credits.

[@andrewburgemeister6684]

My friend saw it at Hoyts Cinema at the Chadstone Shopping Centre in Melbourne, Australia in ‘95, so big multiplex cinema in the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere, and she said everyone walked out in a shocked silence at the end of it all!

[@dylanjordan4747]

@@mistofoles they obviously meant opening credits, the end credits are irrelevant since you know, all of his scenes were over

[@sammoh3747]

@@mistofoles they’re talking about in promotions and the opening credits.

[@JustAMagicDuck]

Brad Pitt has some of the most amazing facial expressions in that last scene. You can just see all these warring emotions on his face. I’ve seen this movie a few times and I’m always stunned by his performance at the end.

[@22Phantasm]

I agree... this made me realise that in fact Brad Pitt was not just a pretty face, but a good actor. There was conflict and turmoil in that last scene.

[@errwhattheflip]

Great actor, his performance was a complete gut punch at the end

[@mutabore7]

​@@22Phantasm fun fact. Brad Pitt cut his own hair for the role to make himself less 'pretty face'.

[@manicms]

@@MilkT0ast You see his soul die inside onscreen. That's good acting.

[@kdizzle901]

Say what you want about Kevin Spacey as a person but his monologue in the backseat of the car was phenomenal and this movie is a masterpiece

[@anuragC819]

Despicable human being but a great actor to play roles of creeps. Perhaps he borrows from real life experiences

[@EffableLemming]

@@anuragC819 Acting was the time when he could take off his person-suit and be what he is

[@rgoodwyn]

He is pathetic excuse for a human being but yes he is good at pretending.

[@rgoodwyn]

@@LumpyAdams Truth. If he was a construction worker, people wouldn't be all "well he may be an serial abuser and predator but he sure can hang drywall like a total pro." it is is crazy what people will justify or excuse.

[@TheyCallMeD1]

Yes, the movie was phenomenal. I wholeheartedly agree. But with respect specifically to Kevin Spacey's monologue in the backseat of the car or at any point in the movie for that matter, give praise not to Kevin but to who wrote the movie's screenplay.

[@xtldc]

This movie is just overflowing with grim atmosphere. The film locations and sets, the rain, the desaturated greenish/gray color palette, the actors’ performances, the music. It’s a total masterpiece.

[@BlanketMan]

...and then Fincher finally brings us into the sunlight, for the most disturbing scene in the (any?) film...!

[@itzelwisteria1819]

@BlanketMan Weirdly enough I was more uncomfortable with that scene taking place in an open field with sunshine than I would've been if it had taken place under the rain. It felt wrong, that the ugliness of this serial murders case could reach the light instead of the light protecting from it. Idk, it's curious

[@CezaryAkakios]

Lawyers are subject to rules of professional conduct, which are set by a combination of the Bar Association and the state. Violating them is grounds for the lawyer to be disbarred, which means they cannot practice law, and would also be grounds for the client to challenge the outcome (appeal/retrial/etc.) One of the main rules is 'reasonable diligence' -- a lawyer must act with the best interests of the client in mind, and cannot neglect or disregard legal matters that might benefit their defense. Therefore, a lawyer who intentionally tanked their client's case would be risking losing their career, and the client would likely have grounds to get a new trial anyway, so it would be a colossal waste of time. Lawyers defend people they know are guilty all the time. If they cannot stomach the clients' actions then they must resign from the case.

[@AutoPilate]

Judd Nelson did a whole movie about this. It’s not great, but still. 1987’s From the Hip, directed by Bob Clark.

[@Skawty]

Also, in cases like this, where the guilt isn't in question, a lot of times the arguments become about whether the evidence is sufficient, or admissible, if any rights were violated etc. Because if ts aren't crossed and I aren't dotted, that could be the difference between setting someone free, or putting them away.

[@dougallen9689]

@@Skawty exactly the point I was going to make. In a case like this, the best thing a lawyer can do for society is to make sure there can be no possible grounds for mistrial or appeal on the basis of a technicality after the fact.

[@chumly8596]

@@AutoPilate Although it wasn't particularly believable, it was still a great movie making fun of the law. Judd does an excellent job, and its one of John Hurts better roles. From the Hip is still one of my favorites.

[@Apis4]

@@Skawty Guilt is ALWAYS in question. That is the fundamental cornerstone of the Common Law system used in the US: The Presumption Of Innocence, otherwise known as Innocent until proven guilty. The State must prove the crime was committed, in felony criminal cases this usually means prove it beyond reasonable doubt. Murder, along with certain other very serious crimes like Espionage, Terrorism, or Treason, as well as some more obscure ones relating to illegal access to information, such as hacking of public or private financial data, and even things like certain fraud related crimes, carry HUGE penalties, in the case of Murder and Treason, in many instances, up to and including execution. For these crimes, the threshold for 'Beyond Reasonable Doubt' virtually means NO DOUBT, because when someone's life is on the line, even one tiny skerrick of a question mark over a key piece of inculpatory evidence, could cause jurors doubt, and due to the severity of crime, and potential punishment, such doubt can be deemed reasonable even if it would otherwise be deemed entirely pedantic, and unreasonable, like it may be for a lesser criminal case. What is or is not a reasonable doubt, is often determined by the courts, indirectly, to be dependent on the severity of the crime and how severe the remedy therefor. Thus, it maybe considered the 'Presumptive' element of 'Innocence' until proof of guilt is even MORE compelling in a case like this, than a lesser severe one, and by that alone, guilt be more in question than in a lesser case with less compelling inculpatory evidence.

[@Coyotecyb]

i have watched hundreds of movies in my 5+decades and this one was the only one i EVER saw in a theatre where the end of the movie came and no one, NOT ONE person said anything. everyone just got up in a daze and left. My head wasn't right for at least 3 days and it took a few years to realize why. The impact of this movie is made not just from the amazing acting or the twisting storyline but from the realism. The story that Morgan Freemans character tells to the captain about the guys eyes getting stabbed out just nails home that every bit of this movie could easily be and probably has been at some point, very very real. "Ernest Hemmingway once said, the world is a wonderful place and worth fighting for...I agree with the second part."

[@T0XiCPeaches]

I will say, I never saw this movie in theaters, but I have had that same reaction you described to only one movie in my lifetime: Hereditary

[@billbill1285]

I had the same experience with American Sniper .. Packed theater and no one said a WORD!

[@Akihito007]

One other movie in theaters where everyone left silently was 9/11. How it ended with the plane going down in the field was so sad, especially knowing how the passengers fought the terrorists until the end. They went out fighting.

[@MessOfThings]

​@@Akihito007 there are a lot of 9/11 memorials across the country, but in Union City, CA there is a memorial specific to Flight 93. It was headed here and many of the passengers were from the area.

[@Akihito007]

@@MessOfThings That's good to know. I still remember where I was that day. It's sad so many people were too young to remember or not even born yet. How easily we forget.

[@WereMike]

"What's in the box?!" is one of those cinematic moments that I will always remember. The fear, dread, agony in Brad Pitt's voice. The conflict as he struggles to not shoot Spacey...ugh. Such a powerful iconic scene.

[@MessOfThings]

I do rideshare driving for work and every time somebody brings a box in the car I can't help but to ask them "what's in the boooxxxx"

[@Kimjongil-pu6rk]

I went to see this a second time in theaters just to observe the first-timers' reactions.

[@Mlock76]

Good call! I also saw it a second time at the theater when it first came out, but just because I couldn't get it put of my head! It needed to "marinate" in my brain for a while longer. Definitely the mark of an epic film.

[@Deathbird_Mitch]

Ah, Someone else who enjoys seeing others squirm...😁

[@ardenaudreyarji]

Ah yes, back when reaction videos didn’t exist 😂

[@skitchthemovieman]

Sidenote: When Brad Pitt slipped on the ladder or the hood of the car, he for real broke his arm/wrist, so when he is holding his arm for the rest of that scene, its FOR REAL.

[@robpegler6545]

A couple of things about this film: 1) The entire film is shown from Somerset and Mills' direct point of view, and there isn't a single scene where at least one of them isn't present. This is because the movie literally follows the investigation as it unfolds, and we only find out the details as they uncover them. That's why the murders aren't shown, and why we have to figure out what happened even as the detectives do. It's also why we don't meet the villain face to face until they do. 2) The studio famously tried to alter the ending because they thought it was too dark. They came up with all kinds of ridiculous ideas to water it down, all of which would have completely ruined the film. They only agreed to keep the original ending intact when Brad Pitt threatened to quit if they didn't. 3) Even then the ending was extended slightly at the studio's request. The original idea was for the film to end on the aerial shot of Mills walking away from John Doe's body. The director agreed to add the "world is worth fighting for" epilogue to leave the audience with a glimmer of hope, and make the ending a little less bleak.

[@gomyawncher2514]

That's interesting. What I read was that the original ending was even darker than that: they wanted Mills to kill John Doe with one gunshot -- and at that moment the screen goes black.

[@AdamtheGrey02]

@@gomyawncher2514 I read it was Somerset who was supposed to kill him as a way ruin John Doe's "masterpiece" ending while still giving Brad Pitt what he wanted.

[@Pininfarina81]

And they all hated that monologue. Fincher has absolutely no sympathy for the viewer & wanted it to end as you say. I love that.

[@robpegler6545]

@@AdamtheGrey02 One of the proposed "watered down" endings was that Somerset would decide to shoot Doe himself, thus taking it out of Mill's hands. He would then explain that it didn't matter what he did because he was retiring anyway, whereas MIlls still had his whole career ahead of him. Not only was this a really cheesy idea, it also didn't make sense; Somerset would almost certainly end up in prison, so the "nothing to lose" angle didn't work.

[@AdamtheGrey02]

@@robpegler6545 Yeah that's what I was talking about but I don't recall he did it because he had nothing to lose but it was more of a self sacrifice deal to save Mills as well as to ruin the plan. But sure, if that "nothing to lose" line was his only excuse, it would have been a terrible idea. I'm happy with the actual ending though and it would make sense that Pitt's character still wouldn't get prison or at least much time if any due to temporary insanity. His life is still messed up regardless.

[@jerryward3311]

Set design on this movie is insane. All those meticulously written journals are real and someone spent days writing them out for a few shots on screen, besides all the other things in the killer's room.

[@mozzymorin3120]

The Lust scene ... has to be the most honest sincere reaction I've EVER seen!!!! ... Love you guys! .... awesome video!

[@andrewburgemeister6684]

The Jodie Foster reference was referencing the guy who tried to assassinate Reagan and had an obsession with Jodie Foster from ‘Taxi Driver’. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity and was committed to a mental hospital for 35 years. One of the security guards injured and paralysed in the shooting eventually died about 30 years afterwards, and the shooter was once again considered not responsible by reason of mental illness.

[@stephenpatterson8056]

I REALLY don't think, that in the 26 (TWENTY SIX!) years since this movie released, that a better thriller has been made. Even watching this for the umpteenth time in a cut up manner with people talking over it I still get chills... Not to mention that it is proving to be quite timeless. It doesn't play at all as a mid '90s film.

[@darthray77]

There have been some really good thrillers like Prisoners and Nightcrawler and Wind River but honestly nothing can even comes close to making me uneasy like Se7en did.

[@moonlitegram]

I mean certain aspects of it feel very much of that time, like Fincher's lighting scheme, the opening credits etc. But yea, overall, the story and themes present in it are going to likely feel relevant to any generation that watches it.

[@dylanjordan4747]

@@moonlitegram but his style has been frequently copied since, so it really doesn’t feel all that dated

[@moonlitegram]

@@dylanjordan4747 Idk. I mean you can see Fincher's influence in films from time to time now for sure, but its not like it was in 90s where it felt like 1 out of 4 films were trying to emulate him. For me, this look is strongly tied to that era in my mind.

[@christoffesedao3579]

Agreed. There is no better thriller. The closest to get this dark but stay realistic is “No Country For Old Men”. But nothing accurately presents the wickedness of life and also hope at the same time like SE7EN. Hope because at the end Somerset chooses to still fight for this world. It is a story of hope.

[@jamesoblivion]

This one made a stir upon its release. Critics and audiences were bowled over by how grim and gruesome it was. So much so that it's easy to miss the fact that almost no violence occurs on screen.

[@andrewburgemeister6684]

When I watched for the first time, I think it was the first R18+ movie I saw, and I was expecting a lot of violence and gore, but there was barely any in it which made it great but even more disturbing. Imagination is a powerful tool!

[@andrewburgemeister6684]

Great reaction, one of the best movies of the 90’s with the most messed up ending. I remember literally shouting at the screen for Mills not to kill Doe, I also remember being absolutely speechless figuring out the whole plan as I sort of knew what was in the box, but had no idea how it tied to the last two “sins”.

[@YoureMrLebowski]

11:30 I love that George, though curious about the pound of flesh, recognizes the discomfort and politlely moves on...

[@peppyd]

This movie disturbed me for days after first watching it. I couldn't stop thinking about it. It definitely achieved what it was meant to do, so it has all of the hallmarks of a great film

[@ugaladh]

That's how I was after watching "Nocturnal Animals" due to that opening part of the "book" part of the movie. the rest of the movie was excellent and a well written subtle revenge story or I guess the movie is a revenge story within a revenge story.

[@k333rl]

i still have that feeling after watching 'apt pupil' almost 25 years after watching it, i still get a bit uneasy thinking about it.

[@quicksilvermad]

Leland Orser's performance is chilling. Then again, in every small part I've seen him in, he's fantastic. And he doesn't get enough credit for it.

[@madpaduk]

One of the best character actors in the world, right up there with people like David Morse and JT Walsh who never really got a leading role but added several tonnes of gravitas to part and films that could have been very average without them

[@Gnug215]

Hear hear! That scene is brilliant!

[@salmanedy]

He's also in Pearl Harbor as one of the soldiers that's being tended to by Kate Beckinsale as he is bleeding to death. Dude's made a career out of playing traumatized characters.

[@Curraghmore]

The epic 'Apocalypse Now' also opens without any credits, but it really doesn't have any opening credits. That would be a good one to do, one day.

[@gregall2178]

David Fincher definitely has a knack for suspense. When you are up for another thriller, you should check out "Zodiac". ...for a more uplifting movie, tho, I'd suggest Amelie or The Secret Life Of Walter Mitty (with Ben Stiller)

[@weepingscorpion8739]

If you're suggesting more David Fincher and Amélie, then they should definitely watch Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection for more David Fincher and Jean-Pierre Jeunet respectively.

[@weepingscorpion8739]

@@LumpyAdams Why?

[@alalcoolj216]

A clever little touch in this movie that is a bit hard to pick up on when watching at home, is that the end credits scroll in the opposite direction from normal. It is so disconcerting if you're trying to read the credits, as your eye is constantly fighting to keep up, and it's just not possible. You can tell something is wrong but it's not obvious what. A very sly and effective way to unsettle the audience even after the movie has ended.

[@pvanukoff]

"You can tell something is wrong but it's not obvious what." It's pretty darn obvious lol.

[@lordwalker71]

There are specialized cleaning companies that deal with crimes scenes. The finger print tech is Morgan Freeman’s son. The director didn’t tell the actor who played the cop standing over the guy in the bed that he was still alive so that was his genuine reaction when the guy coughed. The pride murder victim was a supposed to be a famous model so she had to choose death or being disfigured.

[@mistofoles]

The actor playing the cop didn't realise the guy in the bed was alive ? - Did he think it was an actual cadaver ??

[@xen0bia]

@@mistofoles No, he meant the actor playing the cop wasn't aware that the "dead" character was actually alive in the script, and so when the actor playing the "dead" person suddenly started stirring back to life, as directed, his reaction of surprise was genuine.

[@MessOfThings]

And for a happy ending, watch Sunshine Cleaning

[@4Kandlez]

The scene in the brothel is particularly brutal and graphic, Simone was visibly shocked and upset by that and I don't blame her, it's hard to comprehend something like that.

[@Serenity113]

Especially since we don’t actually see the victim’s body. We just see that photo of the strap on and the traumatized man’s testimony and our imagination filled in the gaps. 🤢

[@andalf_der_graue]

@@Serenity113 which somehow makes it more brutal to me. I remember watching the movie for the first time like a year ago. That shit was disturbing.

[@cthulhucollector]

Thats the "beauty" of this movie. They leave so much of the horror up to one imagination.

[@ugaladh]

To me ( and just my opinion) I always felt that the male in that scene was the one who felt LUST ( prostitutes usually don't) and he was the victim of LUST and of the serial killer even though he didn't die. and then in the car, the killer mentions "the disease-spreading whore" . i thought this was the only script problem, but probably a lot of people don't see it that way.

[@warhawk_yt]

Yeah. I can easily handle gore and brutality as I am pretty desensitized to it but stuff like the brothel scene is the stuff that really gets me even though we didn’t see anything still fucked me up. That scene was the hardest part of the movie for me to watch.

[@steveclevenger5826]

I remember seeing this in the theater. Total gut bomb. From the creepy opening credits and music, to the surprise ending… I was incredibly impressed, considering I felt stunned like I’d just been punched in the face.

[@paulolive1973]

The most disturbing sickening cinematic masterpiece in the history of cinema.

[@tomerart9544]

Not even close to be the most disturbing movie

[@PartiallyAnonymous456]

@@tomerart9544 any recommendations?

[@redjakOfficial]

The opening music that is 'going to give you nightmares' was made by the great Trent Reznor (Nine Inch Nails) Oh, and the marquis de Sade was 18th century, not 16th.

[@busload_uk]

I felt so bad for Simone. She seemed really affected at times. I can only hope the likes of Dr. Pixar was able to offer a counterbalancing remedy.

[@mattp6089]

The first 20 minutes of Up should perk her right up.

[@snooks5607]

too bad anything kid friendly is going to drive YT bots crazy

[@rustincohle2135]

It's been 4 months since this reaction was posted, so you guys probably won't see this comment and you may also have forgotten certain details about the film by now but I'd like to post this anyway because it's definitely worth reading. Lengthy read but fascinating analysis of the film's themes: Apathy is the biggest theme of the film. Many discussions within the film allude to it. Aside from the obvious apathy speech Somerset (Morgan Freeman) gives to Mills (Brad Pitt) in the bar, but also when Somerset explains how the first thing women are taught in rape prevention class is to not yell "help" because no one responds to "help" but instead to yell "fire" (as Somerset put it "in a big city, minding your own business is a science"). People in big cities are apathetic to any one stranger's individual suffering but a fire can spread to multiple buildings which affects everyone, which is why people respond to "fire". Throughout the film, Somerset repeatedly mentions how much he hates the city. All his years on the force has caused him to be cynical, jaded and apathetic. Particular example: all the noise, police sirens, screaming and crime that he hears outside his apartment window keeps him up at night which is why he uses a metronome, to drown out the noise. He has become apathetic to the crime going on just outside his place-- the metronome is symbolism for Somerset's apathy. Also, note, right after Mills denounces Somerset's apathy speech in the bar ("I don't think you're quitting because you believe in the things you say, I think you want to believe them because you're quitting"), Somerset goes home that night and destroys the metronome. Mills's words really affected him causing Somerset to care at least a little bit again, which is why he destroyed the metronome (i.e. his apathy). And John Doe's words during the car ride "Only in a world this shitty can we say these were innocent people. We see a deadly sin on every street corner and we tolerate it. We tolerate morning, noon and night." APATHY. Also, many characters, even minor ones, are super judgmental and have little sympathy for people's suffering. Like when the SWAT team raids the apartment of the mummified sloth victim tied to the bed, the lead SWAT cop (played by Bob from "Office Space") says to him "you got what you deserved"-- but then when he's alive and taken to the hospital, the doctor says "he's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered... and he still has Hell to look forward to." To me, it was always such a bizarre thing for a doctor to say given their Hippocratic oath and their duty to care but ya know... APATHY. THE LAWYERS: The lawyer that's punished for greed, as John Doe put it "this is a man who dedicated his life to making money by lying with every breath he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists off the streets." That lawyer didn't care about justice or morality. Also, John Doe's lawyer has virtually no emotion while he's blackmailing the cops with John Doe's plea bargain. Either they agree and John Doe pleads guilty or if they don't agree, John Doe will plead insanity. The lawyer says "with the extreme nature of these crimes, I could easily get him off with such a plea." The lawyer seems quite apathetic to justice and the victims of the case while he, as Mills puts it, sits there in his $3000 suit (indicating he's much like the slain greedy lawyer). He also says to them "if you don't agree to my client's specific conditions, these two bodies will never be found" to which the black district attorney (Richard Roundtree) retorts "at this point, I'm inclined to let them rot" -- APATHY. Also the lawyer in the same scene: "My client would like to remind you that two more people are dead. The press would have a field day if the police didn't seem to concerned about finding them and giving them a proper burial." THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS: The proprietor of the whorehouse is questioned by Mills in the glass interrogation room. Mills asks him "you didn't see anything strange or suspicious, anyone with a package under their arm?" He responds with "everybody coming in there has got a package under their arm, some people have suitcases full of stuff". The man "sees nothing" and questions nothing. Mills then asks him "do you like your job, the things you see?" To which he responds, "No, but that's life, isn't it?". He doesn't like it, but he tolerates it because it's a living. APATHY. Also the owner of the S&M leather shop who designed the knife strap-on costume is asked disgustedly by Somerset "you actually made this for him?" The owner replies "yea, so what, I made weirder shit than this." APATHY This might be reading too much into it but the pizza shop where they meet the FBI agent with the library files. Somerset mentions that the pizza shop must have had "at least 50 health violations last inspection". They clearly don't care about standards and safety. APATHY. And for some reason, the city didn't even shut them down. Did the health dept simply tolerate it? More apathy?? Also, the real estate agent that sold the "subway" apartment to Mills and his wife. The man was a scumbag who only cared about selling the place and obviously didn't care about their discomfort. APATHY. And also, the sloth victim's landlord was just happy that the rent was always paid on time and that there were no complaints from or about that tenant. He never bothered to ever check up on him. APATHY. DETECTIVE MILLS: Also notice Mills is the only character that "cares" in the film. As Somerset sarcastically asks him, "you want to be a hero and you're gonna make a difference?" Mills, the only character who supposedly "cares" gets punished the most in the film; his whole world gets turned upside down by the end. Mills, the man and his philosophy on life, is destroyed-- and he will undoubtedly become as jaded and cynical as Somerset. Mills's own words to John Doe in the car, "I don't see you as a Messiah. After 2 months, no one will remember this. No one will care. You're a movie of the week, you're a fucking T-shirt at best." Also, when Mills tells the story of when he fired his gun in the line of duty, he remembers how he felt during the incident but can't remember the name of his fellow cop that was shot-- this was after he witnessed the first few murders. I think this was supposed to signify the small but subtle beginning of the erosion of Mill's sympathy. But I could just be looking too much into it. Also, again, note at the end of the film when Mills is put into the back of the police cruiser, the captain (Lee Ermey) says to Somerset "don't worry, we'll take care of him"-- which pretty much means the department will cover up the incident. Even though Mills murdered a suspect, the captain and the rest of the police department is APATHETIC to his crime (Mills's sin of wrath will go unpunished). The film is just swimming with apathetic characters and I'm sure there's other examples that I haven't mentioned. But goddamn, what a script! It seems like no line of dialogue or detail is accidental or wasted. It all serves a purpose and contributes to the story's themes.The film is almost sickening and revolting given the themes and how effective it is at conveying them; the screenplay is astonishingly literary. It's a brilliantly written masterpiece. How it didn't get nominated at the Oscars is baffling. I highly recommend watching this video which explores the film in greater detail: ​@ kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3y2dZaqeJeiY9U

[@rustincohle2135]

@@szeddezs Well, yea, I agree that the department will ensure Mills gets all the proper legal and psychological counseling he'll need. What I meant was Mills's sin of wrath is that he murdered an unarmed, handcuffed suspect. But would you really believe the department would charge one of their own with murder knowing the circumstances of his now late wife and also knowing the history of police culture in America? Not to get political but it's absolutely relevant. This was the '90s before camera phones and social media, when rampant police corruption and abuse of power was coming to light en masse following Rodney King, the OJ case and the Mark Fuhrman tapes. Always consider the context of when a film is made. Sure it was a high profile case, but it's not like there was video footage of Mills doing John Doe in. They were in the middle of nowhere. The only witnesses were Somerset and those in the helicopter. Obviously, the dept can't cover up the fact that Mills shot Doe, but they can cover up the fact that it was murder and then fabricate some narrative that killing Doe was "justified". Like John Doe "went for his gun" or some nonsense. Remember, it's established in the film that this isn't the most legitimate law abiding police department. Somerset mentions that the press regularly bribes the department for early access to closed crime scenes. And John Doe mentions how easy it is to purchase information about fellow officers directly from members of the department, that's how Doe got Mills's address to kill his wife. So, yea, it's a corrupt department. They're not on the up and up. I don't believe for a second that the police report on what really happened to Doe is even gonna be 50% truthful.

[@rustincohle2135]

@@szeddezs Also, some other apathy examples in the film: THE DETECTIVE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE FILM In the opening scene, Somerset is at a crime scene where a man killed his wife and son in a crime of passion. It's mentioned that the neighbors heard them arguing for over two hours and didn't report it-- APATHY. Somerset then asks another detective if the kid witnessed the father killing the mother, to which the detective responds "Who cares if the kid saw it? He's dead." EXTREME APATHY Also, the man, who hands out "free coupon" flyers right outside the pizza shop, is shoved by an extremely rude pedestrian passing by, who also crumples/pushes the coupon away. The rude pedestrian is both APATHETIC to the man and his free coupons.

[@MrAdamloring1985]

Leland Orser is the actor who plays the man who was made to kill the hooker. If you watch enough movies, you will see him all over the place, and he always steals the show, no matter how small his role. This scene here is no exception. His performance in this makes the crime incredibly disturbing, even though all he does is describe what happened.

[@jaivas16]

what an awesome character actor...i remembered his scene made me find an appreciation for character actor's....

[@Patrick-df5fo]

Another good Brad Pitt movie was "12 Monkeys" with Bruce Willis, time traveler film The opening theme from "Se7en" was a different version of the song "Closer" by the group 9 Inch Nails

[@ad8554]

Jesus Christ..that's pretty much everyone's reaction the first time and she wasn't at the end yet. This was my favorite movie for a long time just because I was floored.

[@todderickson2435]

"Just a thriller..." Oh you sweet young lady, you aren't ready. 😆

[@jeremyremo1]

Another David Fincher classic is "The Game" with Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. One of the best psychological dramas I've ever seen: definitely a must watch!! Love your channel, guys, and your reactions!!

[@6666Imperator]

oh yes I remember "The game". Its a nice one indeed

[@Blaskor314]

If a lawyer just 'mails it in' will cause reason for a mistrial and the person will have to be retried. Then the lawyer risks disbarment.

[@JamesASharp]

That means that the system is broken by default. The only solution for us regular citizens is for us to be law abiding citizens and stay completely out of the courts!

[@richieclean]

Francis Ford Coppola's Apocalypse Now has no credits. He had them printed on leaflets that were handed out at early screenings. And the creepy music over the credits sequence is a reworking of Nine Inch Nails "Closer", the music video to which is on a par with Se7en in the dark & disturbing stakes.

[@MrGpschmidt]

One of the most uncompromising films ever made - bleak, dank, powerful w/Freeman & Pitt at the top of their games. Fincher's masterpiece. Solid choice & reactions.

[@jdnaz1288]

Also, gotta give love to writer Andrew Kevin Walker.

[@Dalvory]

Glad I came across your channel. As somebody who loves films, you eventually find yourself at a point where it feels like you're running out of good films to watch and really have to dig deep, and at that point, you wish you could experience your first viewings of so many films all over again. Admittedly, it's basically a hobby at this point for me to share films from my collection with friends and acquaintances. Not only because I feel like everybody should watch them at least once before they die, but also because by introducing a film to them, I'm sort of reliving my first experience through them vicariously, and reaction videos such as yours give me a similar feeling. I love seeing how people react to films and comparing our interpretations. I find it fascinating and thoroughly entertaining. At least when important lines aren't being interrupted/spoken over, which you two rarely do from the couple of videos I've seen of yours so far, so good on you. Keep 'em coming.

[@jeffcook2570]

The Jodie Foster reference is about the man who shot President Reagan.

[@dabe1971]

So many miss that. John Hinckley Jr became obsessed with Jodie Foster after seeing 'Taxi Driver'. He stalked her, slipping notes under her door and phoning her. Then he concluded that if he assassinated the President she would see him as someone worthy of her. He very nearly succeeded in his attempt. He's out now and has a music KZbin channel ! kzbin.info/door/ck3J5KR3INUP1K-hrBe8iA

[@jeffcook2570]

@@dabe1971 I knew all that except for the YT channel. That's rich. I won't hit ur link cuz I don't want to drive any traffic there.

[@Curraghmore]

When I first saw this, I said I wouldn't watch it again and I didn't until I watched a KZbin reaction to it. This is the second time. It's interesting that you never even see a murder on screen until the climactic ending (no spoilers). What makes it so disturbing is that it leaves 6 of the 7 crimes to your imagination.

[@wouldntuliketoknow9740]

Fun fact, they actually made a prosthetic head of Gweneth Paltrow, however they did not use it at the end, but if you see the movie, Contagion, they used it in the autopsy scene.

[@1ListerofSmeg]

I have to admit that to this day that when in certain type of stairway... I am prone to yelling : DETECTIVE!!!! (Especially if in knowing & appreciative company)

[@ZacCostilla]

Y’all HAVE to react to “12 Monkeys”!

[@eheheheeee3092]

that was my EXACT same reaction when i watched this movie for the first time, that movie's so messed up but truly a masterpiece at the same time. and that "I need to go watch something happy now" though 😂💀

[@TheTimGree]

There was some subtle foreshadowing when Somerset was listing out the 7 deadly sins in the police station. He listed them all out on his hand before turning directly to Mills listing the final sin of “envy”.

[@MUSBFRANK]

Absolutely one of my favorite movies of all time, and glad to have come across this channel to find reactors who DON'T talk throughout the movie the entire time, watching movies at home is different from at the cinema where you can voice what you're thoughts are during certain scenes, but for me, I'll never understand why so many big and small channels feel the need to narrate/talk during the whole movie/show that they've never seen before, I guess they feel they're being entertaining, but of course they miss things because they were talking. Anyhow, great reaction to a timeless classic, SUBBED! 👍

[@mathilde1974]

very impressed how quickly you found out who was Wrath :D

[@brettschacht4183]

Best reaction I've ever seen to this film. Great job, guys.

[@jamesonyates2388]

In cases like this the point of the defense attorney is to keep the prosecution and court honest and to advocate to get the best and most fair trial for their client. No matter how deplorable or guilty a client is if the prosecution or police mishandle the investigation or break the rules then the defense attorney is there to call them on it.

[@Uncle_T]

One of my favourite movies of all time. It is amazing!

[@kuteken6312]

One of the best movie of all time imo, superb story telling, superb acting, superb cinematography, it's just perfect...

[@alseenei8072]

The lawyer isn’t defending the person’s actions, they’re ensuring the government has every right to lock them up. Crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s. If the Justice system can’t label you as a criminal despite the best efforts of the attorney then there’s a flaw in the system that needs to be acknowledged.

[@Trip_Fontaine]

I remember when I went to see this in the theater, I saw a friend of mine coming out of a previous screening. I asked him how it was and he was utterly speechless and haunted. He didn't say one word.

[@njt2347]

"I'd probably go for thigh..." That seemed to come out of nowhere. Am I a horrible person for laughing uncontrollably?

[@rustincohle2135]

You need your legs to walk, so cutting the thigh is a terrible idea. The victim was right in cutting the love handle, it's expendable.

[@themightycongueror8383]

@@rustincohle2135 I know it's 6 months ago, but, the love handle only worked because he has them, I'm a skinny thing, skin and bones, the only way I'd be able to cut a pound of flesh is if I sliced off my calves. Probably wouldn't be considered for the option of Greed, but if I was in that situation, I would be fucked.

[@thefitnessjunkie8083]

Great reaction as always, guys. I would recommend you to watch the techno-thriller, Mr Robot. It is an underrated thriller masterpiece.

[@daltonio6001]

best tv show of all-time

[@warhawk_yt]

I have tried many times to watch Mr Robot but (without spoilers) something happens early on in the season and I can’t remember what episode to a specific character in a really fucked up way and I just haven’t been able to get passed it.

[@robd9413]

Sloth (Michael Reid Mackay) also appeared in X-Men2 as Jason, Stryker's telepathic son. Supposedly Bryan Singer (director of X2) told the X2 casting director that he wanted someone who "looked like that guy from Se7en" to play Jason and they responded, "well, we could just get that guy from Se7en" and they did.

[@korybeavers6528]

Lawyer's responsibility is to the law,, so they will just make sure that the law is followed correctly, and the prosecution follows the correct procedures

[@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps]

"Responsibility" and "law" are both myths, though.

[@mike-in-japan]

Great film, great reaction. Bleak and dark but amazing film and performances. Keep it up guys, always happy to see new uploads from you two!

[@dheepakm1825]

Please react to Shutter Island if you haven't seen it.. One of Scorcese's best..

[@Edd25164605]

Great movie

[@DreamFearless]

I mean... Top 15, if you love an obvious twist.

[@samhasanain4841]

I really like that you had no clue about the surprise…made for a very good and genuine reaction.

[@myplan8166]

Bach in the library while it's raining in NY has given kind of historical atmosphere to a movie that deals with ancient religiousity.

[@davidhutchinson7888]

"We're gonna watch Seven" So you have chosen the heart of darkness.

[@MrUndersolo]

I taught at a private school that had a minister who taught a course on ethics and morality, and he would always show this film as part of his course. Still a brilliantly constructed film...

[@andrewstones7781]

This best aspect of this movie for me is the fact that you never see the tortures, it just let's your imagination fill in the picture

[@davevannatta985]

In the film,the darkest day is where it's sunny and bright and not the usual rain that permeates through most of the film

[@mrgadget1485]

I watched this in a theater when it came up. It haunted me many days after...

[@BillTheScribe]

RE: Defense Lawyers - If they don't do the best they can, the case can be appealed and the attorney might be disbarred. It's basically malpractice. There's a series of books bu Michael Connelly about "The Lincoln Lawyer" (the title of the first book), who is a defense lawyer in modern L.A. In the first few books, he explains the mindset of the defense attorney. Basically, the system doesn't work unless both side try their best, and if the system doesn't work the best it possibly can, then it doesn't work at all. Throughout the series, the Main character (Mickey Haller) does have to defend some guilty people.

[@fallofcamelot]

Defence attorneys absolutely put their best effort into defending their clients. I once heard it explained by a deffence attourney that the point that you start making your own judgement on a case is the point that you lose objectivity. If you can't be objective you can't do your job. If you can't do your job then eventually someone who actually is innocent may suffer because of that. Also it's important to note that not having an effective defence is grounds for appeal. If you can prove that your defence was incompetent it can result in a conviction being quashed.

[@Mlock76]

Thank you both for watching/reacting to this incredible film. Despite the heavy subject matter this will always be a truly epic film of the genre. I had to see it twice at the theater in fall '95. I hope the two of of you, Simone in particular, were okay afterwards. Please consider another film from the same director, ZODIAC (2007).

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

I'm not necessarily a negative person but it was just so oddly refreshing to see a not so happy ending that wasn't strictly a horror film. I grew up in the 80's where happy endings were compulsory so to see a mainstream thriller just give you the most downbeat ending ever but still blow me away was a great lesson to learn

[@geckogo7328]

I hoped you'd like the opening credits. I saw this at the theatre when I was 20 and I was blown away and so excited that a movie had actually used the opening title to convey meaning - first and best use I'd ever seen. I dont like the film noir and private dick genre - but this movie's art and feel is so perfect, you can't help but love it, even when youre disgusted, horrified, or just uncomfortable.

[@jamesoblivion]

They kept Spacey's name completely out of the marketing, and out of the opening credits. For TV spots, they even altered his voice when you hear him on the 911 call. Spacey had just had his big breakout with The Usual Suspects earlier in the year, and there was already Oscar buzz around his performance, so it was felt that if people knew he was in it, they'd be waiting for him to show up, and they'd figure out he was playing they killer right away. That's why his credit is the first to come up at the end. That's his delayed opening credit. Luckily, the worldwide web was barely in its infancy, and you could still keep something like that under wraps.

[@clydefrosch]

But other than revealing who would be the actor to play the victim, nothing would change. Like, were people really that shocked that an actor would play a character?

[@clydefrosch]

I mean, it's a cool surprise, but in terms of storytelling, it doesn't really matter at all.

[@jamesoblivion]

@@clydefrosch It's a mystery. The goal of a mystery is to not let the audience get ahead of the story. If viewers halfway through the movie figure out that Kevin Spacey is going to be the killer, they eliminate all other possibilities from their mind, and suspense dries up.

[@clydefrosch]

@@jamesoblivion but who else could they believe would be the murderer? Its not like there were tons of red herings honestly. Every suspect is quickly revealed not to be it by the time you see their face too, I think. I get the idea in general, but not for this movie specifically

[@chanceneck8072]

I think, David Fincher is one of my top 3 all time favorite movie directors working today! I loved almost every movie, he´s made and he made A LOT that I´ve seen..........

[@SimoExMachina2]

The police captain is played by the same guy who plays the drill instructor Hartman in Full Metal Jacket, R. Lee Ermey. Definitely another film worth the watch.

[@parinthianquattropani9071]

"What's in the box?"

[@prprod]

Still say Pitt shoulda won an Oscar for that scene

[@nyceone43]

You guys are some of the best reactors!

[@nielsdegroot9138]

You can see the removal of the fingerprints in the opening sequence @2:31. So that is why they don't find prints @20:15.

[@guardian35]

The movie that asked the infamous question, "What's in the Box?!" You'll start noticing how big of a pop culture reference it is. It's been used in a lot of other movies and shows since.

[@derkabronen]

"Cape fear" with Nick Nolte and De Niro will answer your question about having a lawyer doing his job or fumbling on purpose

[@mchavez4532]

The look on your faces in the intro was all nervous excitement and curiosity. The look during the final commentary says it all.

[@nEthing4Her]

Hi guys :) Happy New Year! Love your channel, you two knuckleheads remain among my favorite and longest-watched reaction channels. Honestly your' reactions are a joy to watch, I've laughed and cried with you guys, and I'm glad George tolerates Simone's startled-f-bombs and just bleeps them, hahahaha. You two always manage to bring a true and real reaction to what you're watching - and that's what we watch reactions for. I (we all, I know) love you both

[@CineBingeReact]

No problem. Most of our patreons leave our full length videos playing on YT full screen, while playing their own copy of the movie in a smaller window in the center and ontop of the full length video. In all our patreon version videos (except for our oldest videos before we figured out to do this), George will do a countdown to press Play. That is the signal for the patron to press play same time as us with their own copy of the movie. That way, 2 videos are playing simultaneously and in sync.

[@nEthing4Her]

@@CineBingeReact That will be perfect. So, I just play the patron vid fullscreen, under my shrunk-down player at top-center. Then I just wait for the countdown. Gotcha.

[@Darwinsown]

Best unboxing video ever!

[@GrouchyOldBear7]

Thanks for the video. I enjoyed it.

[@pbachess]

Simone is great! I love when she reacts to scary scenes.

[@TampaCEO]

31:15 - "The bad guy wins." Sorry but that line made me laugh. You so perfectly summed up the entire movie in 4 simple words. Thanks for another incredible review. Love your reviews.

[@cameronrobinsonart]

When you guessed if Brad Pitt was going to be wrath, and I could tell that you weren't really figuring it out it was just a solid guess but it really made me think that you guys are pretty smart. And it also tells me that movies like The Sixth Sense do such a good job of subverting expectations cuz if you guys can watch it and not figure out the ending then they did a good job because you guys start breaking down stuff in these movies and you come so close or hit the nail on the head with your assessments but I can tell you still don't know you guys are just guessing but this part of me is thinking oh my God you guys are figuring it out

[@georgeannetts237]

Love your reaction

[@butters796]

To answer the question on lawyers: it is their legal obligation to provide defense and not sabotage the case. Failure to do so can result in a mistrial, especially if it is obvious they mishandled the case because they didn't like their client/didn't believe in their innocence. They are also not allowed to lie if they have knowledge of legal guilt; they only need to combat false evidence. They cannot offer evidence they know is false, so they can't lie on behalf of their client. There should be no moral conflict because the evidence will show their client is guilty and they are just guiding the process along to its final verdict.

[@babalonkie]

One of the most disturbing films, like Saw and Hostel disturbing (and they came after). But if you are movie watcher/fan, it's unfortunately a must watch film.

[@iceman10129]

One of the best opening credits of all time. Actually using a razor blade on the film is just top class.

[@MetalHeadReacts]

This is one of my top 5 all time favourite movies. I have never seen a film to match it in tone and style. This movie is what inspired me to start writing crime thriller novels. Talking about the Marquis De Sade... maybe check out the film "Quills" it's a film about the Marquis De Sade played by Geoffrey Rush (Barbosa from Pirates of the Caribbean) it's brilliant.

[@GhostDrummer]

That dinner scene always makes me laugh every time I see it. It’s a brief moment of humanity in a movie that is absolutely horrifying. Edit: The Jodie Foster reference was referring to John Hinckley Jr who believed assassinating then President Ronald Reagan would impress actress Jodie Foster, with whom he had developed an erotomaniac obsession.

[@werdle92]

Ahead of it's time visually IMO. If they didnt know it came out in 1995, most people would assume this came out in the 2000s.

[@mathewdeering]

"i'm speechless" Yeah man. I saw this at the cinema and I was staring, slack jawed at the screem for such a huge part of the movie that I hardly touched my coke and popcorn.

[@artieeffham355]

People who saw the movie when it came out understood why Brad Pit's character pronounced Marquis de Sade "Marquis de Sharday"--he was a smooth operator.

[@st3wi3D]

I've seen this movie exactly once and that was MORE than enough. A fantastic film that I have absolutely no desire to EVER see again.

[@NiamhCreates]

Anytime anyone ever says "What's in the box?" in any situation and totally unrelated context, I can't help but think, "Gwyneth Paltrow's head" lol

[@DwarfsRBest]

Simone, this one got me too. Hope y'all are well