Sean Gares reacts to Does VALORANT Have A VIPER PROBLEM?

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[@vardell2652]

I'm happy that there is conversation about the fairness in nerfs compared to pro and ranked play. Because it's right, 99% of the time, vipers are not mollying cypher trips on breeze. I think this is the beauty in viper's kit in pro play that makes the pros adapt to it. I definitley think the agent deserves a nerf but I don't know what it could be to balance both sides of the community.

[@seenmess3228]

The only reasonable nerf I could think for her is to punish players who completely deplete her fuel. So my idea is to have the fuel regeneration get even worse if you let it get completely used up. Kinda like how KJ gets only 20 seconds cooldown if she recalls it whereas if it gets destroyed, then it's 40 seconds Removing her fuel mechanic completely is not really fun

[@speedforce8970]

Won't people just immediately put down their util at like 10 fuel remaining? I doubt that would change much

[@seenmess3228]

@@speedforce8970 easy to say but hard to do I imagine. Try doing it in the middle of a firefight. Also each moment of a viper wall being up is precious in a pro match, I expect them to get so paranoid of getting that fuel regeneration penalty that they will prematurely put down that wall

[@Sekrai]

@@seenmess3228 very little effect on pro play. u should already be comming when ur wall is going down-it's a given to be aware of ur fuel. its more like a fuel capacity nerf that hits casual players harder

[@Klipik12]

Maybe if you ever turn the fuel off, you have to wait until 95 to turn it on?

[@ME-yl7tf]

The problem your struggling with is high level play have figured out she is broken / really strong in a coordinated environment. But in ranked / general play she is no way near as strong. So if you nerf her in this way your harming the wrong side of the equation. It is really difficult to target high level play without effecting the lower level play.

[@triplebb9809]

The biggest problem RN is her being insane for pro play but terrible for ranked. Just nerfing her to be okay in pro play would make her borderline useless in ranked. I think she needs a rework rather than a nerf.

[@v0idwalker489]

I don’t think she’s useless in ranked. If you play her like they do in pro play even in silver she is super useful. She is super good at anchoring and has very good set ups to deny sight lines for defenders.

[@Octochiken]

There is no problem in an agent being useless in ranked.

[@itsstorm_szn]

She's not terrible in ranked. It's just that she's reliant on a secondary controller on the majority of maps, which is difficult to coordinate outside of stacking.

[@dustf1nger118]

@@v0idwalker489You misunderstood. If they nerf her NOW because of pro play. The rankers will suffer. Rankers don’t get the same experience like pro play where they have pre made teams who can do strats on the fly. We don’t get to do that. So if they nerf Viper because of pro play, the viper mains will suffer heavily. People might complain about duelists and others being nerfed but controller nerfs hit super hard when there aren’t many people who willingly play that role.

[@itsstorm_szn]

It takes a lot of skill to be comfortable with running her solo. She can be decent solo in ranked on quite a few maps but it's just very, very difficult.

[@fishdott]

Is viper and reyna not polar opposites when it comes to pick rates in ranked and pro play. If you nerf viper to ballance pro play, you wont see it in ranked at all, but if you buff reyna to fit into pro play you will see it in every ranked game.

[@rherd]

The reusability of her utility is the biggest issue. I dont know how they fix that properly. But having smokes that essentially never get fully used up makes her too strong

[@fathergemme9529]

Nah that thing with the johnqt trip is crazyyyy

[@HighlyShifty]

You cant break the unbreakable sunset trip with a viper molly, it needs to be very low to the ground (breeze works because it's on the stairs)

[@miguelherrera7391]

If I’m not mistaking the Molly lands on top of the box and spreads on the floor which allows it to break the trip

[@HighlyShifty]

@@miguelherrera7391 interesting, the box on the left when you come out of Bmain as an attacker?

[@miguelherrera7391]

@@HighlyShifty yes, but I’m not 100% if that was the case. It’d make sense otherwise jhonqt would’ve had no need to move his wire

[@how2fail101]

Honestly feels like the devs said oh fuck we got got our initiators in a hot spot right now they’re all viable we’re done. I mean in the other agent pools you can clearly see agents not getting love like neon astra sage and deadlock minus like the niche maps which now there’s gekko so you got even more flexibility

[@AHKhan-po4fc]

remember VIper pick rate before the rework :3

[@akcolade]

i certainly remember wall riding

[@vuax]

she doesn't need a nerf :)

[@malac-2769]

im so glad someones actually talking about how shes op in competitive but not so good in ranked since if they nerf viper any more itll be hard for me as a one trick viper so solo most maps anymore (such as ascent, bind, sunset etc) since no one wants to play another controller. the only thing i could say is that maybe they could buff her smoke activation/deactivation time but then make it so she has a set number of gas that she can use per round. this means that as a solo controller in RANKED i can have both my smokes up for my team for longer and for competitive this means that they have to be more cautious with how they use her fuel as it cant regenerate (such as he has like 300-500 fuel per round *i dont know the average fuel burn and how much you can possibly have in a round hence the big gap) as my own personal side note-BUFF VIPER

[@itsstorm_szn]

One thing I think would be a decent nerf that isn't too drastic is adding a slight contact delay for her decay. Maybe something like 0.5-1.0secs before the statis effect is implemented. The other thing they could do is to increase the delay time that orb or wall can be put back up after deactivation regardless of toxic amount.

[@karambit6508]

maybe get rid of viper moly damage, leave the vulnerable and make it a slow.

[@anitordmyt]

We've always had a viper problem 😉

[@gaspara9817]

For Viper's usefulness in ranked I don't like the second nerf option featuring two activations and would MUCH rather they leaned away back toward her strong vision denial and map slicing and away from her insane stall and post plant lineup shenanigans. Making snakebit a decay rather than actual damage while giving her back some fuel or making her orb be a one time use that isn;t fuel related but not changing fuel at all feels the best to me. Also to me her fuel and ability to bring down her smokes at will is her central identity and that should be the last thing to go.

[@magmoz565]

I think the issue is just that she’s the only controller who can put the smokes up and down and up and down infinitely. I think they should remove fuel regen and just increase her total fuel to compensate. Hopefully this would make her basically the same in ranked where rounds are fast but in pro play you can’t just have infinite utility

[@dxxp4914]

pls dnt kill my bb

[@braydn3537]

make the snakebites deployable like the orb. ez fix

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

Viper solo controller is harder than was previous year where pre franchise in ranked she ok in solo controller since most everyone not yet play double controller whereas nowadays pro play and ranked double controller is really strong of course if u solo play luckily pair with other people very good in double controller then its really damn good strong of course i wouldnt say again if u party with friends which obviously have chemistry to play with

[@leosimvuiseng2926]

If want to make meta interesting just play loud new comp system 2 initiator 2 controller 1 duelist

[@MrEnriqueag]

It does not, she's just everywhere cause she has no competent replacements, buff Harbor!

[@danielkester3109]

They need to entirely remove the INSANT health decay upon going in her util. The vulnerable is valuable enough especially for a controller agent

[@danielkester3109]

If we are intent on her having the decay effect, give it a two second wind up so you can run through it without insta decaying

[@speedforce8970]

​@@danielkester3109but then who is the wall gonna decay if you can just run through it? It's the thinnest wall in the game as it is

[@xxTeamKillerxx]

​@@speedforce8970 why is decay a necessary mechanic for the wall?

[@danielkester3109]

@@speedforce8970 in my opinion, no it should not decay you for running through. There are enough cases where people stand in the wall and peel through it that the vulnerable and a decay after 2 seconds would still have great impact

[@Sekrai]

@@danielkester3109there is no vulnerable going through the wall.

[@WendlerTV]

Reacting to the goat ANDERZZZZ

[@vanshsudhirbhaipatel8685]

No offense but why would you talk when the person in the video is talking?

[@D4VID9724]

To give his own opinions as an experienced coach lol what

[@albanora6942]

bro i always got mocked for picking viper. look at this now.

[@joshuapeek9555]

by who? lol viper been in the meta for a long time now

[@freakingannonymouspanda1766]

The scary thing is she could do the things that you have described during this whole time, people are just finding out about it. That means she was a SSS+ tier agents this whole time and no one realized...

[@user-kc3gu8hf5u]

They have been running Viper comps since beta my guy.

[@freakingannonymouspanda1766]

@@user-kc3gu8hf5u Yup, brother, they were, still without realizing the full potential of viper.

[@chris-lh6ol]

I think decay needs a rework make her walls and orb especially more pushable.

[@DisSabot]

I would remove 1 charge of her molly, increase its price to 250, reverting a buff from 2.06 by increasing the molly equip time from 0.8s back to 1.1s, while also increasing the price of her orb to 300, and the orb goes on a 20s cooldown if picked up. Decreasing the fuel regen rate to 2.5%/s should also help (with these numbers her fuel would need 40s to recharge from 0 to 100). If all of the above still doesn't work, the nuclear option would be reverting a buff from 1.09, so that Viper starts the round with 50 fuel.

[@Jaded1221]

So basically you want to return her to his state like in her earlier season when no one even use her in vct.

[@blurryalex]

either increase her util cost or remove a molly. Both is overkill. The change that I think would work is just literally increasing the cost of her orb and mollies. That way Viper mains have to think about what util to get on half buy rounds and eco rounds.

[@DisSabot]

@@Jaded1221 Not really. Viper is still a must pick on Breeze and Icebox, since Harbor is not strong enough to replace her as solo controller on those maps. What we’re hopefully going to see is her pick rates dropping from over 90% on maps like Lotus and Bind.

[@DisSabot]

@@blurryalex Both her mollies and orb currently costs 200. Removing a charge of her molly without increasing the cost allows her to spend 400 on the single molly plus the orb (full util) while also still being able to afford a light shield in pistols. With the power level of the orb, I think it is worth 300 creds

[@silvos_85]

Anderzz plays MTG fo sure

[@toenyfungus5409]

I see people complaining that she will be useless in ranked after nerfs but why is that a problem exactly? Not every character has to be useable in ranked and not every character has to be useable in pro play but if something is as broken as Viper in proplay then she just needs a nerf or rework

[@Jaded1221]

Why not instead of nerfing her, just buff other agents!

[@miguelherrera7391]

Absolutely not

[@Jaded1221]

@@miguelherrera7391 so then, why dont they buff other smoker like harbor.

[@miguelherrera7391]

@@Jaded1221 harbor much like viper are very delicate agents. Their pick rate in raked relies mostly on the map pool rather than their utility whilst in pro play it’s mostly a matter of team composition which is why teams like Loud or Leviatán make harbor look insane. Harbor could perfectly be one small buff away from being just as oppressive as viper. He’s niche, yes, but that’s not a bad thing not every agent needs to be meta. Viper on the other hand is an absolute outlier having insane stats that no agent in their prime ever had (jett, astra, chamber.) she needs to be balanced, buffing everything else would turn val into overwatch 3

[@sandevv]

Valorant felt like much of Overwatch (which is bad considering it is a tactical shooter) buffing other agents will make it more Skill based FPS game rather than Gun based game, Viper is too strong

[@patat007]

she's going to get nerved. teams should start adapting now!

[@tysania4k88]

english?

[@user-zo7oi9fc8x]

@@tysania4k88 bangladesh?

[@carlsong6438]

Orb and wall no longer does decay. Problem solved

[@rudranewaz6664]

stop nerfing and get gud

[@scoot5642]

70%+ pick rate, 55% winrate... this is better than pre nerf chamber

[@jerms99]

@@scoot5642jesus