The Sabbath Stones: The Many Singers of Black Sabbath...And a Few That Might Have Been!

[@enkiabzu5792]

Can't wait to listen to this when I get back from work! I can listen to Sabbath and people talking about them(especially Chris and pete) all day! Shout out to all Sabbath fans watching this!🤘💯

[@garyjoyce2160]

The KING 🤴 returns !!! 👍💯

[@garyjoyce2160]

I can listen to. King 🤴 and Pete talk about my top 5 ( at worst) favorite group allllll day. Thanks guys. Love it 👍💯

[@garyjoyce2160]

Correction. Ok. My favorite **** 👍

[@christianhaynes1954]

Alo is great !​@@garyjoyce2160

[@franciscotalavera1045]

King Alo is back 🎉🎉. Cross purposes is amazing and Forbidden 2024 sounds like a brand new album.

[@jimmypage2843]

I've said this was overdue, so hell yeah the King and Pete talking Sabbath! 🤘🏼

[@john6666steele]

Born Again definitely needs a remix. That was a hated album for so many years but was discovered as a hidden gem

[@user-zq5eb2hj9o]

I never had the love for it that everybody else on the podcasts seem to have. But a remix could go a long way in changing my opinion on this album.

[@thomasmandeno2776]

Pete please get Chris to admit that he now likes Forbidden. He had a staunch dislike of it before the remix, however I don’t believe for a minute that he still feels the same way😀

[@martymartin2894]

I think it's awful, gillan doesn't suit black sabbath.

[@stevedurocher7818]

Great show as always Pete and Chris. You never fail to come up with new tidbits that even I wasn't aware of. I was shocked to hear the consideration of Coverdale and Jon Olivia as singers of the band. That blew the top of my head clear off. Imagine the firepower that could've been unleashed but that would also mean missing the epic classics yet to come for Coverdale and Olivia. I was at the Seventh Star Tour in '86. Having the olds I remember sporadic things so reached in the tour vault for dates and locations. I was at the Detroit Cobo Arena portion of the tour. That was March 22, 1986. I was in college then. My jaw dropped discovering that Hughes first night with the band was the previous night in Cleveland's Public Hall so I was at night #2 of the Hughes schedule. WASP was the back up band. Last Command Tour for them I believe. They had paper-mache headless heads of band members impaled on poles (Barber Poles. Mind is sketchy on that) much like Vlad the Impaler style. Chris Holmes was wearing a Detroit Lions helmet in parts of the set. Hughes was in and out with his lyrics. Often lost in voice as the band played on. You noticed the botch on the Seventh Star material and I vividly remember a frozen Hughes voiceless during various parts of War Pigs. I still had a good time even though the audience was clearly shocked and not as energetic as it should've been. I wish Sabbath came to a working partnership with Ray Gillen. He had the 'it factor' something that Tony Martin lacked.

[@ColtHend]

Great show! Been missing Chris and some Sabbath discussion!

[@Drumdude74]

Thanks Pete & Chris! Always informative boys!

[@motleyfan7558]

Great seeing you two guys together

[@jimmypage2843]

"The guy with all the scribbly tattoos on his face" That is why he is the King. 👑🤘🏼

[@TrevorDowson]

I love this, many thanks Pete and Chris.

[@tommyaddison6539]

Hell ya, glad this segment is finally back!

[@iceclimbers22]

Great conversation, I learned a lot. Could listen to you guys talk Sabbath for hours.

[@joesantiago9062]

always love these episodes!

[@stephenroberts8964]

Love hearing you guys talking Sabbath.

[@lateramae]

It's a shame Ian Gillan never made a second album with Sabbath. He sounds great on 'Born Again'!

[@garym6688]

Awesome show guys - glad to see the Sabbath Stones continuing in 2025! Of all of the short-lived guys, I agree that Ray Gillen would have been AMAZING! Really too bad that they couldn't convince him to stick around.

[@franciskocher200]

Always a great video with Chris.😃👍🤘

[@IAmJanicke]

Made my day!

[@tmc1054]

This wait has been far too long. THANK YOU, gents.

[@TheBerndude]

Great episode, gentlemen! 🤘🏼

[@danimal]

This was great, look forward to more discussion on sabbath and sabbath related topics.

[@DavidRea-yp7uo]

I saw Ray Gillan fronting Sabbath in Toronto when he subbed in. Had no clue who he was...but he was amazing!

[@electricshock3266]

Great episode. Incredible that Ian Gillan released Magic with Gillan in '82, Born Again in '83 and Perfect Strangers in '84, as well as touring all three albums. What a guy!

[@darcyska]

I do appreciate this band specific shows, a fun way to talk about 'the same old' ones with some super fans, while also not having to feel like you NEED to pump out another episode

[@ericdinse5047]

Yes ! One of my favorite SOT shows is back !

[@steelmonkey7609]

Great show! Great topic! Always love seeing you guys together...Have a safe trip Chris

[@jasonleonard4000]

Excellent episode, fellas! I'm a nut for the "wilderness" era of Sabbath. You guys laid it out very well! I learned some new details, such as Steve Grimmett being considered. I would have LOVED a whole album of Iommi and Peter Steele songs! Since Tony was writing a lot of slow, dirge riffs in the 90s/00s, who would be a better collaborator than The Green Man? 💚🖤

[@michaelxin8964]

ive been waiting this time so long🎉

[@timmywarren3996]

Great show Pete and Chris. Thank you Chris for the great overview and time line with all the singers. I was never really sure on the Ray Gillan and Tony Martin situation until now. Thanks guys. Cheers

[@markcloer2274]

There is one song from the Donato "era" called "No Way Out", which is an early version of "The Shining". It is on YT.

[@aerogray2500]

Great to see Chris again

[@dbrjaxfl]

So glad to see this segment back! Happy new year to you guys!

[@JimFlood-o5b]

Great series - love it!

[@inmyhouse11]

Great to see the Lost King return.

[@sabinoabdala5685]

Great Show!! The King is Back!!

[@DaveAlexander72]

Nice Sabbath show again gentlemen 👍

[@Fritha71]

My head is spinning after all of that LOL But it was interesting to hear about all of these vocal candidates that were considered but never got the gig. Veering into Tap territory at times 😆 Great show, Pete and Chris together is always a winning combo, it had been too long!

[@monte.olson58]

Great show guys! Man I'd love to see a Never Say Die deluxe release with Dave Walker vocals on a bonus disc.

[@enkiabzu5792]

That would be amazing!!

[@davidpousho4828]

Great show fellas!!!!!

[@emeraldsabbath8507]

The footage of dave walker doing juniors eyes and warpigs is owned by the BFI british film institute in london..I do have both videos myself..

[@paulocraice]

I have Alex lifeson jamming Air Dance with Tony Iommi playing bass, during NSD recordings. Can't tell who's the drummer but, he was definitely doing a great job.

[@peteygemini60]

The King is back

[@carlosfernandezmartinez1451]

Amazing show, as always, Pete and Chris 👌🏼I read somewhere that after the departure of Gillan in 84 Iommi thought also in Bob Catley from Magnum as a replacement. Magnum played Reading Festival in 83 as a farewell show and Catley was apparently available... Maybe just a rumour though...🤔

[@Donald.W.Rissler-ARTS]

A couple that never even gotta calls from Sabbath, everyone else called them. 1, Jeff Scott Soto 2. Ripper Owens More interesting options: 3. Eric Wagner - Trouble 4. Hans Kursch - Blind Guardian 5.J, D Kimball - Omen 6. John Bush - Armored Saint 7, Sebastian Bach - Skid Row....

[@guillermomaldonado6277]

See? you don't need any real news, just talk Sabbath and we'll all watch. Thanks! 🍺🤘

[@christianhaynes1954]

Need more Alo in 2025 ! Good show Peter and Chris 👍

[@billmorgan4327]

A few blanks filled: Nicky Moore from Samson was absolutely considered after Dio in 1982, but his huge girth made him a non-starter. And there ARE recordings of Dave Donatto with Sabbath on KZbin, easy to find. The most interesting rumors not discussed by you guys were the possible reunion with Dio in 1988 for what became the Headless Cross project. This was even reported in Circus magazine, so it was not just underground.

[@pablodapeckerhead9902]

Nicky would have been an interesting choice. Love his singing in the various bands that he was in, going right back to the very early 70s. Saw him live various times and his vocals live were always top notch too.

[@Jermeister12]

Hi guys. I saw the 7th star tour. When they got down 2 Atlanta Ray Gillen was the SINGER he was AWESOME. The show was a 7 .But it was the drummer who blew me away Eric Singer. I knew he was gonna be 1 ,2 watch. I was right. The stage set was awesome!!!🤘🤘

[@bill4510]

I was excited when Dio was announced as the singer.

[@cineaste62]

thanks guys another great episode - for me Gillan on Born Again is the best sabb vocal in their discography

[@richardhincemon]

4 songs were recorded with Dave Donato the demos were produced by Bob Ezrin titled Don't Beg the Master , Dancing With the Devil , Sail On and No Way Out which became The Shining on the album Eternal Idol. Since these songs were recorded with 3 original members of Sabbath Tony, Geezer and Bill Ward possibly one day all 4 songs could surface. No Way Out is already available on KZbin. Cheers

[@gregoryg3256]

🌠U GUYS ROCK ...GOOD SHOW ..AS USUAL

[@aldebaran4154]

I missed the Tony Martin box so I'm glad to hear they'd be released separately.

[@guillermomaldonado6277]

This was the show I missed the most. You had me worried there 🍺🤘

[@KalkiQ]

Bill Ward: It's Alright (Technical Ecstasy) 4:04, Swinging The Chain (Never Say Die!) 4:06.

[@andywitch666]

Yesssssss !..! !..!

[@MetalMan73100]

Ray Gillen not only did Eternal Idol in 1987, but also sang on the second Phenomena album that same year, along with Glenn Hughes.

[@Rmesick-hm6yq]

Please. Next ...Born Again deluxe edition! Great show guys

[@micolsen9824]

13:07 As I recall, back in 1980, Sabbath were getting "long in the tooth" as the old expression goes, and when a bunch of us high schoolers heard that Ronnie James Dio (the singer of rainbow) was going to be the new Black Sabbath singer, it felt like it was going to be a welcome shot in the arm for the band. If you've ever noticed; Sabbath's albums sold less and less as the 70's went on, according to the Billboard charts. Sometimes I think Sabbath should have stopped in '75 ala Deep Purple and "come taste the band." Great conclusion. Great show.

[@neuroisis85]

I've often considered that myself, but I don't think they needed to call it quits in '75. What they should have done is take say '76 off and when they reconvened they should of went back to focusing on brute force. Knock out an album in a week in '77, make sure it's heavy, aggressive and hits hard. Then try to do a tour with Motorhead or Priest or both. Really I think the rest of the band needed to reign in Iommi's tendencies toward Prog and Art Rock at this point and bring back the Metal. That or force Iommi to go full Prog Metal with no compromise. Instead they sat on a beach and let Iommi write a shite Queen record.

[@ErickNWOBHM]

Back around 1989 I saw Jeff Fenholt speak at a local church being that he became somewhat of an evangelist. Half of his talk, he spoke about his "time" with Sabbath. He kept saying the demons were manifesting and he was visited by demons and demon demon demon the whole time he played with Sabbath. He really capitalized on the Satanic Panic and Sabbath were the center of demonic activity. I guess he never heard Venom before.

[@rebeccalangendorf3121]

Awesome episode. I have read quite a few Sabbath and Sabbath related books and do not remember hearing about Jon Oliva! Wow. I think he would of done really well doing the Ozzy songs. I still wish Ray Gillen stayed atleast for the Eternal Idol tour. His version of the album is phenomenal. No slight to Tony Martin as I really like him as well. I like all the Sabbath eras. All different but all great. As far as someone I think would of been a great choice the first person popped in my head is Rhett Forrester. After he was gone from Riot he released a few solo albums but imagine him fronting Sabbath? Man that would of been incredible. And how could that have changed his fate? We will never know.

[@elbib2446]

just listened again to dave walker singing juniors eyes with sabbath,quite good,gives it a more bluesy,fusion feel,a bit like sabbath meets jimmy dewar from robin trowers band.though i dont think the line up would have survived long,if ozzy hadnt come back

[@aidanlynn]

There's a demo of Dave Donato singing a song called No Way Out which later became The Shining on the Eternal Idol. You can also find demos of Jeff Fenholt doing demos for (apparently) The Geezer Butler Band on youtube too. I think Coverdale's voice would have been perfect for singing the song Black Sabbath.

[@markcloer2274]

I completely agree about Doogie. I always thought he would have been great with Sabbath. He is on record saying he always wanted to work with Iommi. Would have been amazing.

[@ernger531]

Juniors Eyes with Dave Walker is amazing

[@timjonesvideos]

Jeff Fenholt was also the lead singer on a wonderful 80's hard rock album by a band called Joshua, called 'Surrender'. It is up on KZbin, lyrics are only vaguely Christian (its not proseltyzing).

[@hellojimmypage]

The story of Graham Bonnet receiving a call from somebody from the Sabbath management asking for an audition is interesting, I presume that must've been around early 1980 from what Graham has said on interviews. He turned it down, but despite the incompatibility of his look with Sabbath's image, it'd have been interesting to hear his rendition of the 70s classics, stuff like War Pigs or Symptom with that powerful vocal range.

[@joebodi1689]

I first off love every recorded incarnation of sabbath. Would have loved to have heard a whole album of ray gillen fronting the band. With that said, I agree with Pete in let's hear another album with Glenn or Tony Martin. Been long overdue and you know the master of metal riffs has more to contribute to. Thank you.

[@michaelwelton4910]

I'm really looking forward to a sabbath bloody sabbath boxed set. Certainly my favourite

[@cbn6635]

I could picture Rob Lowe (Solitude Aeturnus/Candlemass) fronting a doomed out Black Sabbath.. 🤔🤗

[@Mark-bi5dk]

I read a article where Tony iommi once said he was trying to get steve Marriott to join sabbath at one time

[@bill4510]

The remixes from the Martin era are pretty good..Shedds new light on those albums.

[@GuitarHack66]

My favorite Sabbath is with Dio hands down.

[@kowalsolosolo]

Every time I hear Eric Adams /Manowar/ I imagine how perfectly he would fit Black Sabbath. In the eighties and in the nineties Eric sounded AMAZING,especially live.

[@brenthatcher5748]

I don't think he would ever leave MANOWAR. Why would he? MANOWAR were so much better than Sabbath, and I love Sabbath, but compare MANOWAR to Sabbath from the time MANOWAR started and Sabbath sucks in comparison. Dio was alright, but to me the Ozzy era is the real Black Sabbath.

[@scottlame6724]

I do hope that Iommi and Hughes make another album together before it's too late. Fused was 20 years ago and still sounds great.

[@jason-budney7624]

I bought hat Blu-ray of Live Evil, haven't heard it yet. I too haven't heard great things about it, but it's what I collect.

[@Gedsparrow81]

Didn't know about the Jon Oliva story...man that would have been crazy to witness

[@paulh6673]

Shout out to the Kerrang! April Fool's Day edition with the big exclusive article on Tom Jones joining Sabbath, complete with blueprints for a stonehenge-inspired stage set.

[@EdwardBox]

I agree wholeheartedly with Chris: Ray Gilen sounded immense with Sabbath. he is the 'lost' Sabs singer. He could truly cover the Ozzy and Dio eras.

[@vincentmessina3480]

There were 2 other hopefuls after Donato: Joe Cerisano from Silver Condr, (who was offered the gig by Don Arden & passed on it) & Kal Swan from Lion/Bad Moon Rising....

[@mikeryanmikeryan4740]

Excellent show. Russell Allen would have made a great vocalist for Sabbath IMO.

[@countralfus6408]

Cool episode, I think Steve Grimmett would have been an interesting fit with Sabbath

[@joeallegra3122]

The majority of people ( I know ) that have witnessed all iterations of Black Sabbath Live. Say that Tony Martin pulled off all era's best in a live setting. Of course this was when he was on. It is said at times he had issues live. It is written in some periodicals in the past that The Cross Purposes live shows were recorded when martin was sick with ( if memory serves ) either bronchitis or pneumonia. As a Sabbath fan from the beginning I love every era. My introduction to the band was "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" which I purchased at 17 yrs of age. Needless to say I bought all the preceding albums shortly thereafter. Fave era, the Osbourne years. Second Place it is tied between Dio and Martin, with a slight not to the Dio era because of the consistency of the lineups. If Iommi had the same lineup throughout the Martin era they may have toppled the Dio era (IMO...I know I am on a short list ) eventually. As for Ian Gillan and Glenn Hughes, for stand alone albums I frickin' love them! Slight nod to "Seventh Star" because as much as I love Ian, I'm more of a Hughes guy. Also, production is worse on "Born Again" as we all know. Great show guys, appreciate your efforts as always, Metal Head Joe🤘

[@FinalBaton]

I gotta check out The Shinning with Ray Gillen (I assume it's out there? Is it great?)

[@seaoftranquilityprog]

Yep, the reissue of Eternal Idol has a bonus disc of all the recordings with Ray.

[@jasonb328]

Has there been any talk of reissuing the Iommi solo record with the different singers? Surprised they would reissue Fused before that one.

[@Sirdamienfrost]

I bought the two reissues, they sound great. Not so crazy about the album you refer to, although the Ian Astbury track is killer.

[@ollie1643]

Can you imagine Rob Lowe singing for Sabbath? Could have been amazing...

[@motleyfan7558]

Pete, Joe Lynn Turner is great and would have been a nice addition to Sabbath

[@michaelfavreau7617]

I know this may be cliche but Rob Halford in Sabbath for an album and tour would be awesome. Mind you that would `ve been more exciting a few years back.

[@leonscoretzka801]

Great show guys! a couple of guys who i think would have been great in sabbath (and still have the chance to be, because they are still killing it) would be: John Bush Robert Lowe Ronnie Romero Joey Tempest Ray Alder what do you think?

[@chrisalo2989]

Yes! These are all great picks!!!

[@trv411]

You mentioned Paul Rodgers. After The Firm, he definitely had a strong enough voice for it.

[@glenngailey4916]

Jorn would have been a good fit.

[@seethroughhead505]

Phil Anselmo joined the Heaven & Hell band onstage at Victoria Park with Jorn Lande and Glenn Hughes.

[@danieljschulze]

Ian Gillan

[@bill4510]

There is a pretty good sabbath King biscuit flower hour concert from the 1983 show with Gillian

[@stewartmack4821]

How about ranking all vocalists for sabbath ?

[@SWEETFA24]

How about the Aptil Fools Kerrang magazine edition that had a mock article of a collaboration of Sabbath and Tom Jones. It was setup by Ozzy

[@mvjonsson]

Kal Swann was also considered as a Sabbath singer by Tony and Geezer in 1985.

[@ericmerredith6861]

Disturbing the Priest is amazing.

[@cbn6635]

Probably the most sinister Black Sabbath song all together.. 😎🤘

[@Hecatecrossways]

I used to think that Tony Martin, and John Lawton were the same person. I still think that they look pretty similar.

[@john6666steele]

Excellent NWA sweatshirt too. Long live the National Wrestling Alliance!!

[@gerrylambert5225]

PC .