Demo and explanation of optimized new jungle route for getting dem grubbies. Discord Server - / discord Support Me - / phylaris Coaching - neace.gg/
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@whatever91244 ай бұрын
holy shit he cooked..
@isokiller23464 ай бұрын
I said the Lord has finally returned
@dewritos52804 ай бұрын
Was waiting for someone to cook a hecarim path to grubs given how fast he clears them, gotta say you delivered lol
@wxlrdxndxr51684 ай бұрын
okay that's insane, well cooked, 5:15 grubs is out of this world
@spider_h8s_spiders9584 ай бұрын
Why did KZbin give you a hyperlink even though the video is only 4 min long
@Chris-oo8ue3 ай бұрын
@@spider_h8s_spiders958 because if you type numbers in that way it autoformats to a time in the video. Like 50:50
@Phreak4 ай бұрын
The legend returns!
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Ph recognize Ph.
@tradtrad10004 ай бұрын
I think next season we should add 2 more camps with 4000hp to clear. Jungle has too much downtime atm
@kelmirosue32514 ай бұрын
I might try this on Shyvana. Since every jungler is going for Grubs first instead of dragon I could do the reverse clear, always have camps up, and get dragon safely. Plus Shyvana's ganks aren't all that great so I might even be able to invade the enemy jungle too after my first item completion
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Yeah - I call it the Grub path but realistically, being done with all your camps and level 5 at 5:00 timer is generally just a good spot to be in at the moment. Even if you're saccing Grubs, you can potentially do drake, gank/dive enemy bot, or invade the camps the enemy jungler left up, without having to leave your own camps uncleared. It has conditionals regardless of when and why you run it, but let me know how it goes!
@kelmirosue32514 ай бұрын
@@Phylaris for sure! That said ik I'm not a good enough jungler yet with my clear speeds. I need to get better at kiting to make the most use out of it
@titanattackbee19854 ай бұрын
shyvana probably doesnt clear fast enough
@stevenmadec60524 ай бұрын
@@titanattackbee1985 I ll try ( i was otp shyv), I know how to clear jg with her efficiently, I think she s able to do it too
@dragonbone10204 ай бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Have you had a chance to try it out yet? It would be great to hear about your experience with choosing runes (especially the small ones) and about buying early, as well as pumping skills at the first three levels.
@timwilliams50764 ай бұрын
So glad to see you back Phylaris - big fan and very appreciative of your work since you first appeared at Neace's bootcamps. Maybe you should consider running your own for just jungle. I know you put in enough work with Neace's to do one.
@TheVarsity854 ай бұрын
Just did this. Amazed my team and went 5/0/6 with Hecarim they ff at 15 XD thx dude
@haxcrossoverit4 ай бұрын
Man, did you just read my mind?!! I’ve been literally thinking bout this path for a while now today, thanks for the confirmation!!!
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Hi guys.
@boogleooger96664 ай бұрын
Good to see you
@kuroko57084 ай бұрын
Welcome back I had the chance to follow one of your bootcamps and it was fantastic
@henrique-et6zc4 ай бұрын
Nice too se you back, keep up with the content please
@brooksgunn52354 ай бұрын
Welcome back goat
@FindOSUBeatmapsHere4 ай бұрын
Hello. I'm kinda interested in playing jungle role. Can you recommend a champion for a beginner?
@codycook18324 ай бұрын
This is pretty cool. I had the idea running in my head but nice to see it in action. Welcome back btw!
@Kakatudeka4 ай бұрын
ITS EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR TY
@BaaadJuju4 ай бұрын
This is really smart and well explained. Gonna test this in my games. +1 and subbed. We’ll done.
@Bighomer54 ай бұрын
It's good to see you're back! Somehow I didn't see your videos until now. I've tried this path in practice tool with Graves and Lillia but I'm always 10-15 seconds late for crabs. Maybe I'llget the time down with some practice. At any rate, this video has given me some inspiration to try more diverse pathing again and have more fun in the jungle. Lately I mostly full cleared on my first rotation with the occassional free gank in-between quadrants or 3/4 camp clears on tank junglers.
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
If you're very late for crab, either the path isn't applicable for your champion (Graves is too slow), your clearing needs work, or you can just recall after Krugs and skip the crab, since first crab isn't that valuable.
@tempest01694 ай бұрын
Glad to see you back!!
@dzux68484 ай бұрын
It was a long time since the last video Phylaris, what a long break. Good to know that you're back ! Keep doing
@Monjijii4 ай бұрын
Im so happy youre back!
@Zachbasanese4 ай бұрын
Points to add: You can skip scuttle entirely if you want to get a gank off or you are shoved off by enemy priority and still get level 5 off the second 3 camp clear. If you ARE able to get a scuttle, clearing the grubs and your krugs gives you level 6 after a base.
@TheStingling4 ай бұрын
that is big, thanks
@EmperorBerith4 ай бұрын
Nice! I have been waiting for this
@Reagen144 ай бұрын
Good informative video, keep it up bro!
@eskimoassasin67644 ай бұрын
Yo that play at 6:15 was crazy. Your the goat.
@rokasb94414 ай бұрын
Wow, this is insane!
@davidjmw69844 ай бұрын
Its been a while. Glad to see you back
@mathiaszimmermann59384 ай бұрын
Hope everything in your life is fine / figured out again! Anyways missed your content and this is another great guide from you.
@doctorrotcodrust27544 ай бұрын
Duuude, this is awesome. Thanks a lot
@WalkingNose4 ай бұрын
this videos are soo good and educational!!
@Marcosilva00004 ай бұрын
Glad you're back
@henrique-et6zc4 ай бұрын
the king of clears returns!
@AkinaJVS4 ай бұрын
the crab used Flash 🔥🔥
@0xEden.4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this just won Clash doing this in 2 of my games :)
@PochiPoomLOL4 ай бұрын
Amazing!
@DoileeYT4 ай бұрын
Cool path, the only extra downside I can see is that the scuttle crab will be taken at the grubs by the enemy. So doing this on hecarim would show your location which could leave you vulnerable if you lack top/mid lane prios.
@GmHomer4 ай бұрын
yeah or if an enemy jungler is strong enough to kill you at grubs.
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Losing top crab is for sure a consideration, but it's good to keep in mind you're not by any means guaranteed to win a fight for top crab even if you path up first rotation. If you have a significant early power advantage topside, I don't think it makes sense to go for the Grub path when you can simply fullclear upwards, play off your strong lanes and ensure they can safely get good crash and recall timers off, then sequence back up and simply win the Grub fight off of your advantageous solos. If you have a hard-losing topside, I would never path to play for Grubs in the first place, whether that be fullclearing towards top or the Grub path. I'd just clear down and look to handshake Drake or a bot dive on the Grub timer. If you have a fairly neutral, or slightly losing topside 3v3, that's when I'd consider the Grub path personally. Rather than flipping a 40/60 or 50/50 fight for top crab, you can Grub path, secure your botlane a good recall off your proximity at bot crab to set up potential support move on Grub timer, and secure yourself a level 5 advantage + good sequencing heading into Grubs on spawn.
@SavagePrisonerSP4 ай бұрын
Nice to see you back Phylaris! Missed you especially with this new season and having to figure out stuff on my own. I learned a lot from you and Neace! Have you heard anything from him? Hope he's doing well and returns soon. I need to see more high elo students getting yelled at for having a big ego!! Cheers!
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
I don't think Neace is coming back, but I don't know.
@witcherpie4 ай бұрын
there is 0% chance that neace is not coming back lol. He loves that sh*t, he will definitely return
@midnightoil43394 ай бұрын
Welcome back bro! You were missed!
@shieldgenerator74 ай бұрын
this looks so weird but youve convinced me i should give it a try
@jukelyn4 ай бұрын
interesting stuff, thanks!
@RoloRolla4 ай бұрын
Glad to see you're barack. Also this is a really nice strategy, super big payoff if it works but it has a ton of variables that can screw it up. Also also this patch made it so the restart game button on the practice tool also resets the game timer so now I can practice my clears however much i want. Also also also balls
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Yep. It's a really specific clear; there are multiple pros and cons that I didn't mention here since I didn't want to make the video too complicated. Vision, invades, weakside/strongside, etc. play a large part in when you'd want to run or avoid this kind of path. I only use it now and then, but I think it's good to know all available options. It helps that it presents a secondary route from typical Raptor/Wolf openings, so that you have multiple flex paths from the same starting camps.
@vaale00064 ай бұрын
Oh shit, that's obama himself
@xlr10094 ай бұрын
Glad to see you are back! Personally I'm a big fan of the dark seal path where you get to scuttle with a dark seal at lvl 4 (you can do it with champs like voli, diana, gwen, and some more) but as a lillia player it seems really good to try
@alessandropierro81604 ай бұрын
What would that be excactly?
@xlr10094 ай бұрын
@alessandropierro8160 Not many champs can do it before scuttle spawns, the path is: Raptors - Golems - Red - Recall for dark seal (or another cheap item) - Wolves - Grump - Blue
@PixelCreep4 ай бұрын
Is this a good idea on Briar?
@xlr10094 ай бұрын
@@PixelCreep it seems a lot harder with briar, the best i could do is 3:35 with a Raptors-Red-Golems-Recall for sword-Wolves-Grump-Blue path, but someone with perfect clear might be able to make it to scuttle in time, i dont recommend tho since the slightest error will ruin the clear
@Bighomer54 ай бұрын
@@PixelCreep Why would you want a Dark Seal on Briar? It's an AD champ.
@onenir_41154 ай бұрын
smart thx bro🔥🔥
@alessandrolavia4 ай бұрын
2:16 the crab is embracing his true power and now can use flash
@alexrobomind4 ай бұрын
THE MAN IS BACK
@placentamukbang4 ай бұрын
My hero is back!
@dylansmith60784 ай бұрын
Very interesting what I havr found also somewhat works is a no back 1.5 full clear I have done this with nocturn since he has good speed in the jungle with q but you can full clear at the start and go scuttle bot scuttle krugs again because they spawn when you walk back. Crows, recall, get tiamat, and then wolves gromp and i arrive at grubs like 2 seconds after they spawn so even if I find the enemy jungle at their spawn im already a level over with tiamat. The trick is just using his q for speed all the time off cooldown to race back to krugs. Even going through the midlane which also builds pressure
@yudoball4 ай бұрын
Amazing
@sweetshoez4 ай бұрын
Goat is back
@BassWakil4 ай бұрын
Fantastic.
@trucmachin28404 ай бұрын
Yeahh he is back ! Do you plan to add a "season 14" tab on the Jungle Clear Compilation spreadsheets ? :)
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Maybe, we'll see if I find time. I'm not sure which junglers will swap into the MS% shard yet, which will affect their cleartimes negatively.
@CarsonW5183 ай бұрын
The scuttle flashed
@jarrod23514 ай бұрын
Welcome back!!!!
@blakebethel37574 ай бұрын
This is going to blow up.
@Zerothgal4 ай бұрын
In to support the jungle MVP.
@wehad43194 ай бұрын
brilliant
@piponotion4 ай бұрын
Welcome back dad!
@DiazShitAndStuff4 ай бұрын
MOOOOAAR VIDEOOSS
@ggShini4 ай бұрын
sweet vid! I have been doing something similar being rapts, krug, red, wolf, gromp, blue, scuttle, rapts, krug, reset w/ 1300 gold. grubs full clear down bot gank. Demoed this in my last vid claiming triforce > hexplate on noc lol This def arrives on grubs a little faster, but with less gold spent. Good to have another clear in the playbook :)
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Ya I do the standard Rap>Krug farm open into Grubs sometimes. That one enters a bit late if you want to be level 5 since you need to grab a camp first before you head to Grubs, but it's great if your jungler really wants an ~1100 base. I think Triforce is very mediocre on Nocturne. He has some of the lowest base AD of any melee champion, and has long cooldowns that make Sheen items pretty suboptimal on him. I think if you don't like Hexplate rush (valid, it's not strong when you aren't ulting into a fight), Eclipse rush is something multiple high elo Noc mains like Autophil have been doing instead.
@ggShini4 ай бұрын
@@Phylaris awesome, I'll check out that build path and look into autophil. I agree that it is an awkward item for him. When checking the damage using Lethal tempo at lvl 6 I found triforce ult did more damage than hexplate for the first 3 seconds, and again more damage after 6, but hexplate did more from the 3s to 6s range, but the diff was grudge > bruiser items, but keeping LT instead of electrocute. I feel way more powerful but come 25 mins I am missing the hp
@Kywu4 ай бұрын
why doing krug before red tho
@ggShini4 ай бұрын
@@Kywu when looping back on rapts as they spawn if you go red first then you will have to wait 15 seconds for krugs or so. If you recall in that down time then your top is up so you have to skip krugs putting you down a camp from inefficient sequencing. Good question, it used to confuse me too :)
@Kywu4 ай бұрын
i see, thanks @@ggShini
@Filthyy14 ай бұрын
I've adapted this for shyvana finishing on drake on spawn
@dj_rh4 ай бұрын
Pretty cool
@paatz044 ай бұрын
Cool! But wont the enemies always have vision there from the scuttle crab?
@danielklotz36894 ай бұрын
Gunna try this with my twisted fate jungle
@tryndamereagiota85394 ай бұрын
i was really waiting for you to come back 😢 im so glad you're returning. updated trynda path? lol
@tokyopapillon8374 ай бұрын
omg Phylaris is back
@Caffeine_Factor4 ай бұрын
Can this clear work on a Jungler like Graves ? I do not know if I can be fast enough for it.
@odaytolah4 ай бұрын
what are the other champs that you tried doing this path for ? (btw awesome video keep going)
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Most of the fullclear junglers can run it situationally, though some will be late to crab and should consider skipping it and recalling instead, to avoid being late to Raps respawn.
@peterpop-off4 ай бұрын
Watching this as an adc main, its a completely different language 😂
@kittensarecool4 ай бұрын
So glad to see you back, hope you're doing well
@ZenKih4 ай бұрын
His alive!
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Practice tool updates returned me to life.
@marderprod4 ай бұрын
Sounds good, but I can't seem to recreate hitting Grubs on spawn if I go for the botside crab - if I skip it, I barely make it. This goes for Diana and Vi. Are they just a lot slower than Brand/Hecarim?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Vi absolutely should not go for this path. She's a very slow-clearing jungler early with mediocre AOE, and is very slow at Grubs too. Diana should be a little slower than Hecarim on this path - not too bad, but she will be slightly late to crab.
@marderprod4 ай бұрын
@@Phylaris Thank you for the response, time to get good at efficiently clearing I guess
@ucandoit694 ай бұрын
Its kind of cool, but whatever your intended objective is, the other jungler will have that scuttle taken and know what you are doing. Which will give them the opportunity to either gank you there or take the other objective. Even full clear junglers can look for a gank early and this removes that possibility.
@Anewevisual4 ай бұрын
GRUB GAP
@shadowninja5694 ай бұрын
Interesting.
@XxSakFexX4 ай бұрын
what's that tool that shows you the timer over the camps?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Blitz overlay. Porofessor works too.
@acetrainer694 ай бұрын
Why don’t you base with 500g for long sword/amp tome?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Slower overall + weaker inventory for Grub fight than a 900g base.
@fallenphoenix1484 ай бұрын
Do you think brand can run this path?
@georgesummer5364 ай бұрын
which shards do u use? my clear is like 5s slower at peak and I'm thinking is this a shard diff? is the new movement speed shard vs adaptive make negative difference for first clears on Heca? and I also use haste in first slot because I feel like build I use lack haste more than ad I could test it on practice but I'm currently away from home so maybe u will respond earlier :D
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
I use double adaptive. Haste and MS shards are both fine situationally, but they do slow down your early clears.
@pxnko40384 ай бұрын
is this viable on karthus? raptors start on him sound a bit awkward
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Nah Karthus for sure would just want to Blue->Krugs most of the time, and either invade enemy jungle on his Blue/Gromp if the situation allows, or recall for items and run to crab to fistfight with his item lead.
@leninpm074 ай бұрын
another big problem on this path I see is that you leave the top scuttle to the other jungle always, so he always will have vision of you comming in the baron pit, unless u can jump the wall (pin jump plant is not alive yet)
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
If you search through the comments a little bit there's a couple similar ones where I addressed the pros/cons of this. But you're correct - giving top crab is a consideration in when you should/shouldn't attempt the path. You're mostly looking to sac it when it would've been unlikely for you to get it in the first place, due to early topside power deificit.
@bany85014 ай бұрын
do you think hecarim is the best for this opener since he does 1st spawn grubs a lot faster than other junglers?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Udyr, Lillia, etc. do them just as quickly. I do think Hecarim is great along this path, but I actually think some of his standard pathing options are stronger than this most of the time. He fullclears Blue to Krugs in ~3:00 leashless, so he can just insta-recall and sprint to crab to contest it with items Karthus-style. That's the opening I do most often on him at the moment.
@bany85014 ай бұрын
@@Phylaris I see. Side note, do you think hecarim is strong rn? I’ve been having success with the same build as last szn with phaserush and shojin eclipse core or conqueror with trinity shojin frozen heart core depending on game but I feel like his damage is pretty underwhelming. What are you running on him rn?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
@@bany8501 I think he's decent but not great. His main items lost a decent amount of AH. Regardless of whether he's going bruiser or assassin, he lost a step. He doesn't synergize with the current lethality items as well as he did with S13 Ghostblade/Duskblade, and his bruiser builds are for the most part just weaker versions of the Stridebreaker/Sunderer bruiser builds from last season. There's lots of Hec builds you can opt for at the moment, but for the most part I just run Shojin-Eclipse into flex. In Patch 14.3 in a few weeks, the Sundered Sky bug is getting fixed and Eclipse is getting nerfed, so Sundered will probably just replace Eclipse as his non-Triforce core. Some kind of Conq Tri-Sundered build might also feel okay, since it can be kind of difficult to proc Sundered effectively in teamfights without a bit of attack speed.
@CheekyHaggis4 ай бұрын
I'm holding my thumbs hoping to see a Shyvana clear guide
@arthurholtham36364 ай бұрын
i really struggle to get this clear in time as lillia, im consistently about 5-10 seconds late to crab and therefore late for grubs. is it still worth?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
You can skip the crab and just recall (first crab isn't that valuable) or just don't do the path.
@leeanson64 ай бұрын
Just note that the top crab will prolly be taken by enemy jungler
@shadowpledge95154 ай бұрын
Is this a noc main channel? (Cuz of channel logo). I need more noc content, specifically clear paths, builds and mqtch ups
@UnholyCamouflage4 ай бұрын
Cries in shaco who barely even does grubs at 6 with ult. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@Leo-sy4vu4 ай бұрын
cool pathing but my briar wont be able to abuse it sadly :(
@XXLepic4 ай бұрын
Isn’t it more efficient to just top to bottom, ward bot, then top > grubs while seeing ward for vertical after if needed? Still get lvl 5
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
You don't get level 5 from a FC>crab into single quadrant - you'll be level 4 entering Grubs. You'll also have split spawns with your botside camps sitting there, which in addition to being inefficient can also lead to them being stolen. You can't just vertical simply because your bot camps are taken - if the enemy jungler also pathed top to bot, there's nothing for you to trade for as his second spawn topside is already gone. This is not at all to say that fullclearing top to bot is worse than the Grub path - they just have very different pros, cons, and usage cases.
@cheffenchurry63444 ай бұрын
Omgggggg i am gonna tag my fav esports team so that they do that
@shieldgenerator74 ай бұрын
how do you know if your team comp is better with grubs or dragons?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Grubs are for pushing towers, so they suit siege and splitpush comps well. They're not so good for 5v5 deathball teamfight comps.
@shieldgenerator74 ай бұрын
@@Phylaristhanks! so... im only bronze... how do you tell whether your team is splitpush or 5v5 deathball? i know yorick is splitpush, but thats about it
@Norina08122 ай бұрын
Ahoi ! Lillia main here. Tbh, I got interested by what you said, but I feel that the 1st grubs are not worth for Lillia unless it is free.. Right ? So, I wouldn't go for this at all. I feel like as long as she gets at least 2/6 of them, it doesn't matter if it's first or second grubs. But idk ?
@rookie45824 ай бұрын
Seeing Hec being lvl5 clearing the grubs full hp and full 10 seconds faster than Poppy. I still will never understand why Poppy’s jg clear got nerfed back in 12.16. I still hold that grudge lol.
@crtki48254 ай бұрын
you have time to gank/base after 3rd or 4th camp bc getting crab on spawn does not contribute to getting level 5 in time for grubs. if you opt for base you usually have enough time to take the other crab. if you opt for gank you might lose double crab but obviously you are better off with a kill. if enemy starts same side as you you can also invade enemy krugs after you kill blue and base in time for crab spawn.
@crtki48254 ай бұрын
you dont kill your respawning camps on time but you deny enemy jg level 4
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
The two potential gank/cover timers are after Blue, and right after Krugs instead of doing crab yeah. And yep, the crab is not necessary for getting level 5. Still nice to grab one of course, but as you said, if there's a free kill that's a lot better than a crab.
@wlnlax144 ай бұрын
Cooked up some bbq grubs
@nitr05714 ай бұрын
Does it work on Bel'veth?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
She's a bit slow and may have to skip crab to hit the intervals properly. Bel would rather play for early gank/invade flexibility, though. She's not really an early powerfarmer - she's alright with it if there's no good options, but her preferred option is to find some action.
@rhuanpablo61364 ай бұрын
I wish i could do this clear on viego, don't know if its skill issue but I'm taking about 5:30 ish to complete the path
@gggg31194 ай бұрын
What overlay is that?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Blitz.gg. Porofessor has one as well.
@PlaydoGaming4 ай бұрын
Would this work on Rengar?
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Doubt it - he doesn't have a great AOE clear level 1.
@gara81424 ай бұрын
Do you guys think eve can run this?
@doke1x4 ай бұрын
I call them the BAITgrubs. Drakes are still the win condition unless you have top trundle mid tristana
@EnderSpore4 ай бұрын
Will that work on kha'zix also?
@EnderSpore4 ай бұрын
w start on raptors?
@PennekSR4 ай бұрын
cooking
@figolisimo83934 ай бұрын
In My server usually the opposite jungler always fight for grubs as well... So... If You path like that... You lose topside crab, SO if You go on grubs, the other team Will know cuz You go for the botside one. So how You manage to do grubs with the crab visión of the opposite team? Ty
@Phylaris4 ай бұрын
Losing top crab is for sure a consideration, but it's good to keep in mind you're not by any means guaranteed to win a fight for top crab even if you path up first rotation. If you have a significant early power advantage topside, I don't think it makes sense to go for the Grub path when you can simply fullclear upwards, play off your strong lanes and ensure they can safely get good crash and recall timers off, then sequence back up and simply win the Grub fight off of your advantageous solos. If you have a hard-losing topside, I would never path to play for Grubs in the first place, whether that be fullclearing towards top or the Grub path. I'd just clear down and look to handshake Drake or a bot dive on the Grub timer. If you have a fairly neutral, or slightly losing topside 3v3, that's when I'd consider the Grub path personally. Rather than flipping a 40/60 or 50/50 fight for top crab, you can Grub path, secure your botlane a good recall off your proximity at bot crab to set up potential support move on Grub timer, and secure yourself a level 5 advantage + good sequencing heading into Grubs on spawn. That should hopefully be enough of a power advantage that the enemy having vision on Grubs doesn't matter.
@sj36144 ай бұрын
i havent played this game in a while. since when tf could scuttle crabs flash? 2:15