Season 4 M+: NEW Keystone Levels, Affix Nerf & Gearing

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[@trebloh3080]

Well done sir, thank you! So many other "name" creators just brought up the website and read it verbatim (like ya know, their audience can't read), and offered off-the-cuff, non thought thru opinions. Such lazy ass content from them. It's refreshing to see your work here and greatly appreciated!

[@OrganicJKW]

That REALLY annoyed me. I watch a video for insight, not for them to be as confused as I was during my first read, stumbling over words, etc.

[@TynrionTV]

Nice video as usual. Maybe they should introduce different levels of heroics as well, to fill out the ilvl gap a bit. But that might be confusing.

[@rincexwind]

The thing everyone seems to be missing that takes this from a boon for lower level gearing to actually being a lot worse is the fact that m0 are still on a weekly lockout which means that until you can do m+ ( a +10 key) you can only spam veteran rewards and you are stuck doing champion level gear only once a week per dungeon. This effectively puts you further behind if you were previously willing to spam 7s and 8's to get geared up for the higher levels, and as a pug player that is usually what has to happen since it is more important to be overgeared than it is in a coordinated group.

[@ziggy2976]

Always so informative, thank you

[@filipepaivazoega3669]

My brother ALWAYS, with the info handy! And I am 100% in that podcast brother, lessgoo!!

[@NavikvonBathory]

Great breakdown of the changes, thank you.

[@Hasteo]

New podcast, amazing!

[@Synyzter7]

How do I disable the auto dialog select in your UI config, I cant find anywhere.

[@shawn80]

great info

[@zachwh0]

awesome video as always

[@mm_rocha1909]

Nice video mate

[@phnxx5301]

wow going in the good direction by each patch they bring now , awesome

[@motherpigeon1582]

You mean aiming for lack of skills instead of promoting the actual input to the stuff we choose to do?

[@jegan404]

Any tips if I just start a toon today? Is it worth gearing or just waiting?

[@Zaral7]

I got Keystone Hero for the first time ever this league, pugging the whole way, on a healer - felt good. Looking forward to the new system! Hopefully they add an additional achievement for completing them all on max level.

[@flumm0x_]

good for you dude - i'm going for that next season as a tank : )

[@Zaral7]

Nice, GL! I was planning on getting there with a tank for s4 too.@@flumm0x_

[@Jenkyllllls]

Agreed, it's stupid it goes from hero to title and nothing in-between. I have 6 toons over 3k you'd think there would he an achieve or something for getting 3k and above.

[@snowpdx]

Congrats on your achievement! That's a big milestone.

[@1InFame]

xD its easy to get 3k rio, and now they make it even easier... now more nabs will have high ilvl gear and deplete keys@@snowpdx

[@Istormur]

Easy to understand man thank you

[@ulrik03]

You now get portals at the exact level where the third affix kicks in. Feels appropriate, maybe? You can get gear without handling the third affix, or even timing keys, but the portals (still) require you to complete the "final form" of m+: all three affixes and on time.

[@sandi-zli9567]

another w for retail wow, thanks for the video quazii

[@L337Dratini]

I think a shared portal as a higher reward would be cool (instead of/in addition to a transmog) - like you can port everyone to your dungeon. No stat benefits, but it's useful and something to brag about. So you could have a personal portal, or push higher to get that shared one.

[@Kools4LifeRMX]

good video thank u

[@gokhanj.yenigun7933]

This is why I am only subscribed to your channel; you are smart to see the benefit of this re-work for M+.

[@semi6544]

Healthier is a stretch. More players is definitely true. How many of those players will be willing to learn mechanics and what their class does when they don't get punished for not performing? Hopefully, they find their place in M-0 but I doubt it.

[@Stolarchos]

Exactly what I thought. Sounds elitist to say, but “making M+ more approachable” also equates to “skilled players will carry more shitters.” It will push the decent players into “lower” keys and overgear ppl who have no business in being in a +5 key. As someone who heals +20s (and no higher) on week 2 or 3, I’m terrified of the ppl I’m going to try to heal during this system.

[@semi6544]

@@Stolarchos-- It isn't elitist to say if it is the truth. Have you ever got on an alt and just tried to farm some wyrmcrests? It is a terrible experience. I agree there needed to be something in between Heroic Dungeons, M 0s, and actually M+. Too many people were doing content that they had no business doing. We can't kick them and finish the keys so they get credit for accomplishing things they really can't accomplish. Finally one day they arrive in your +20 with Raider IO statistics that say they did all the content necessary to be here. The worst thing about these casuals is that they don't actually care about wrecking your key. They don't even know they did anything wrong. I am complaining but happy with the change. Just hope it reaches the right ppl.

[@michaelkovalsky4907]

The thing I find most interesting about the 2500 reward this xpack is that S1 rewards cosmetic reward looked good and noticeable, then the rest were just bad

[@RegularJimmiey]

I hope this new m0 mode applies to the future seasonal pools, so that we get a new m0 dungeon every season. Doing the same m0 for the whole expansion would get boring next expansion

[@alenspikic4523]

maybe even normal and hc, so every season another set of dungeons overall

[@alenspikic4523]

but dunno how they can do it for normal and hc, add another entrance to dungeons or something

[@yougetkissed3444]

​@@alenspikic4523add one new mod legacy or not for the instance

[@Jenkyllllls]

? U will get 8 just like every season this xpac. They won't go back now.

[@Jenkyllllls]

​@@alenspikic4523Heroic and normal is que just like m0 will be so why would you need another entrance?

[@douce409]

I can't wait for the weekly M0 no leavers....

[@Willzcc_]

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[@quaziiwow]

Ah yes on faq page of Quazii.com

[@Wafelshams]

This actually just doesn’t affect the top end but makes it easier for casuals not a bad change

[@GreatestLoserEver]

Thanks for that breakdown! Good info.

[@jaceks88]

Yeet!!!

[@Vatolicious]

Massive W imo

[@heathmcrigsby]

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[@quaziiwow]

Hello niece and nephew

[@nsnake62]

People should be fine flight stone upgrades will allow people to enter those m0s dungeons easy

[@mourning5488]

WE gonna be zoooming KSM

[@Ibl33s]

crisp haircut my guy

[@tvilkerino]

So uh.. About that pirate patch comment at the end? xdd

[@zsoltkereszty129]

Fascinating how blizzard do literally everything to avoid revamping the affixes,like remove punishing affixes so u not start the week like gosh what bullsh7t i have to deal with this week and give rewarding affixes ,not to mention 80% affixes are literally tank/heal affixes meanwhile average hunter chilling and pressin 1,2,3,4 at 45 yard

[@ch.kv.]

Quazii is my fav wow content creator of all time.

[@Seph.ackerman]

My only question is if the next m+ mount looks even uglier.

[@eldonhector]

Same mount as always

[@bryanpaquette1220]

rember cata heroic dungons are 2 hard lol and the nerf they got lol

[@syedie7283]

Yeah its casuals friendly, but i still dont see any "rewards" for people who play between 3K rio and top 1% thats basically dead zone.

[@killerkoalazz]

This needed to happen cause their was never a reason to LEARN the dungeons you just out dps it or outheal. Maybe people will stop queing for 20's when they can hardly do a 13

[@TheChrillexx]

For me this mostly means that they increase the difficulty scaling from level to level, which I think is a good thing. But the biggest issue for me is that they are still not considering one of the most loyal M+ player bases. The people between 2500 (KSH) and 3700(0.1%). I am in this group and reaching 3500 is impossible for me as I do not have a team. But there is virtually no reason for me to further push my score except the dopamine hit of a higher number. I am sitting at 3100 but there is nothing to get for me there.. Furthermore, playing the Group Finder Simulator is just not fun and this will not change for high keyswith this new system. I think M+ has so much more potential than it has now. I would like to see a bolder approach, maybe try a solo queue system for one patch, see how it goes. Give penalties for leaving a group without a vote for surrendering the key. The playerbase is getting older and we do not have that much time anymore. I love m+, but sitting in a group finder for literally 2 hours to play 1 key and wipe on the first boss is just not fun. They are still balancing the game around 2 of 3 player bases: The casuals that think KSM/KSH is hard. And people that make a living playing wow. Semi-Competitive players are still being ignored.

[@Thrall966]

There’s a solution to that . I was like you in season 1 DF . Sitting in LFG as feral . But now you can just reroll to the meta spec and play keys all day . If you don’t see that as an option then I’m sry you can’t try to pug a non meta spec specially at high keys

[@thanorodd5663]

Loyal maybe but also tiny relative to the total population. WoW has always been about the gear treadmill and being "semi-competitive" is not well-supported, you are either driven by that chase for dopamine or not. Once you acquire all of the rewards from a "track" it's up to you to decide where you stop. The design is intended for you to decide when you aren't having fun and do something else - roll alts, play a different version of WoW (now there are 5), or other (hopefully Blizzard) games. If the game is not your job don't treat it like such, pretty simple.

[@TheChrillexx]

@@thanorodd5663 I get what youre saying. But I think its not as simple. For me the fun in WOW begins when the game becomes at least a littlle bit challenging. And that is around the 2900 Score mark for me. Getting there is super easy and doesnt require any real effort lets be real. But BECAUSE I never want to treat the game like a job, I cant go way further than that without a huge time invest, or rerolling to tank :D I just hink WoW is too afraid to become a lobby game and wants to keep at leas some kind of RP element. But there is none. 99% of all M+ players sit in Valdrakken chain applying for keys. There is no Social aspect in that.

[@ericmats4662]

I think that they still will have a lockout on m0s is a HUUUUUGE mistake. People are going to complain about this alot. Farming gear in the beginning of the season is going to be a nightmare for some people

[@peterchan7307]

helping the casuals thanks blizz

[@williamgraham5924]

I’m guessing you’re some MDI level pro?

[@williamgraham5924]

This doesn’t help casuals either idiot. It’s going to make it a lot harder for people to get into keys lol

[@Scuuurbs]

“Because when everyone is special, _no one will be.”_

[@Matthew-vw6gy]

It’s the end of the expansion so it doesn’t matter now anyways

[@gwildore1277]

@peterchan7307 thought he was big cause he hit 2k io lol... if anything this will make it harder for groups to hit higher keys and io harder to get. Watch.

[@kirkstrope676]

I still think your key should not deplete if you do not make the timer. your already punished by not getting a higher key and lower crests if you complete it over time. Why do we need to be further punished by wasting time repeating the 19 you just timed the run before that just because someone rage quit, disconnected, made a mistake, or missed a stun/interrupt? This single charge would make m+ way more accessible and less stressful to new/ le4ss experienced players. The m+ community would be much more welcoming and willing to invite pugs that were less then a 3k io score if they weren't worried endless about their key regressing. I feel like bliz has missed the mark on that change since the started m+

[@senfglas214]

The only real question is…why can’t they release 16 dungeons every expansion? In Legion it seemed no problem, and since then never again.

[@christophergarrard5210]

Legion never had 16 dungeons, good old Mandela effect.

[@senfglas214]

@@christophergarrard5210 damn you’re right lol…at the end of the expansion there were 14 dungeons. Still more than what we have now. I‘m probably salty because they will bring the DF dungeons again and I missed out on the legion timewalking m+ in SL

[@goonaxe7471]

20s are already easy, this is madness

[@nlz242]

10s are gonna be the same as current 20s... 11s -> current 22s, etc... What's mad ? Doesn't change anything >= current 20s (future 10s)

[@winterwolfofficial]

I believe this is a good thing; make the gear achievable by all, but only the skilled will climb beyond simply because skill is always greater than gear. It levels the playing field so that all can achieve the gear but not all will achieve the skill or further awards. This allows all players further progression: the casual that’s geared can now work on skill and the skilled gear player can push for keystone master and record times. This being said, as someone who has the elite mogs in PvP that is purely cosmetic, I believe a cosmetic mog should exist for +15, +20, +25 separately but unlike PvP should not be a recolour of a raid tier, rather hire an art team to make a m+ specific armour set mog that is not achievable elsewhere nor would a reskin ever exist elsewhere, and make it season limited time just like the PvP elite. Anyone that has a M+ rating of 2000 or greater should also be awarded a season specific mount that has vendors on it; like the tmog, auction house, mammoth mounts, except, the vendors should be 1) a vendor that sells the account bound M+ gear to send to alts and 2) a vendor that sells m+ specific items that should be made and implemented to only work in mythics. Just some ideas to dump out.

[@Jenkyllllls]

It already was this way? You can do a 9 which is not much harder than a heroic today and a 9 gives champion gear so basically the same as this patch. Only change is a plus 8 will only have one affix instead of an 18 with 2 and you can que for m0.

[@winterwolfofficial]

@@Jenkyllllls oh, I thought or what I understood was that the current M+ gear was only a recolour of raid/pvp tier and that the mount wasn’t a vendor one. If not, my bad but everyone I see in the gear that reads M+ 489 all look the same as me in the PvP gear and the raid tier, just a different colour and not a standalone design. I’d much prefer a standalone design ☺️

[@Jenkyllllls]

@winterwolfofficial My comment was just directed at dungeon level and reward track. I'll be honest I never ever look at my tmog. I'm the one who is completely mismatched on every toon. I believe you are 100% correct though all tmog is based on tier sets. Nothing unique for m+. Just the cheesy mounts that you use once and never touch again. A unique MOG set is a good idea for an achieve at 2500 or 3k io.

[@winterwolfofficial]

@@Jenkyllllls Frankenstein sets need love too! But yes, I would love to see something designed in a mog that says "this person is a god tier M+ player" and not Blizz's late formula of "oh you did a +25? Here, have a raid or PvP recolour." Blizz needs to put as much effort into mog design for each part of the game as players put into pushing their skill in that area of the game. I see shamans' in blue tier and I'm like, "hey, they are 1800+ like me in arena" and inspect them and nope, never once did an arena and our gear is 80% identical--it robs both players; as someone who spends time pushing rating in arena, they don't want to see a PvE main have the same or very similar gear--and a PvE main doesn't want to spend all that time pushing to see a PvPer in the same light. They are separate modes, separate skills and each deserves standalone; but as for now I think the first design should go to the M+ crowd as there are way more M+ players than PvPers--at least on my server. WOTLK to WOD (even though WoD was a fail) had such design variance between PvE and PvP--you'd immediately look at a player and say "damn, they are amazing at x or y" without even having to inspect them and I think we need that back. Just imagine this because of the timeways right now: A set that has shoulders with a broken hour glass that drips a (colour of sand based or rating in M+) and upon reaching the highest version of the mog, the hourglass is whole, filled and glows with an aura that envelops your character and give a unique perk to a weapon for all classes in M+ that has a fun on use like "rewinds the last 5 seconds" granting a nerfed version of mage's alter time, but is also that kind of reverse an oops that was earned by the players that got there :O

[@Jenkyllllls]

@@winterwolfofficial Some more unique items would be great I agree. The only unique things I've gotten the xpac are the fire owl mount and some of the glory mounts were cool, but nothing for tmog and the only really rare mounts are the mythic raid mounts. But even those my guild rolls on and we never do it more than 5 or 6 times with what a pain they are since you can never get the original team together after we cleat it once or twice.

[@ronniejones3910]

we need more m+ rewards, otherwise I dont even know if I will keep playing after ksh.

[@KrispyNuggetBoutique]

Boosters are going to make bank on m0 runs

[@Dan-iy2nr]

without your guides id be even more of a noob if i didnt know this :D

[@justingorden6781]

My main concern with this is that this system is going to encourage players that dont know mechanics, dont have damage or gear, and cant handle certain difficulties will now be way way way more prevalent, this is already a huge problem. Even now with it being the end of season 3 pretty much I was gearing an alt and even at 15-19+ i had 6-7/10 groups where there was absolutely no knowledge present even even the simplest mechanics like running away from rezan on pursuit

[@Jenkyllllls]

Not really in the sense that any avid m+ players won't be queuing for zeroes and io will still be how we can control player type.

[@mike4088]

So I don't have to be a completely sweaty meta player to get stuff?

[@endocry]

You already don’t. It’s a you problem.

[@Lilpiktdude]

Yes 😁

[@Lilpiktdude]

@@endocry 💀

[@3d1m4nd3r]

This will cause a whole lot of noobs on m0 that we would never meet on m10. It will cause frustration for both little better players and noobs. The better players will have to drag the weak ones by the hand and guide them like blind men, and the weaker players will be frustrated because a level of skill will be required of them that they will never achieve. Everyone loses out on this. For weaker players, it will be a similar jump in difficulty to the jump in raids from LFR directly to HC. There will be a whole lot of people who don't know the tactics. Not knowing their characters and their skills. The buffer that frightens noobs away from m+ is simply removed.

[@sythex92]

If they add armor cosmetics, it needs to be +20 for the new system, before the 0.1% but after portals.

[@zumzici1234]

The jump is too steep from +10s to +20s. That would be the equivalent to the current +30's. If you currently do +30's you are already in title range.

[@Sly_404]

@@zumzici1234He argues based on current live scaling. So cosmetics to fill the gap between then +10s and title.

[@theven5633]

I hope they put mob count in m0 so you can practice tanking routes.

[@kukamacakrackerkilla]

I get they want more people to play mythic but it’s getting to the point where more people will just stop playing because it’s too easy

[@nmmrg]

I just came back after quitting s3 shadowlands and all I wanted to do was do m+ for s4 DF. Now it seems like a waste of time if it's gonna be that easy.

[@Thrall966]

If you think it’s easy you can always try pushing

[@Jenkyllllls]

The only thing that seems wrong is they have made it even easier to get mythic gear. Only one affix in a plus 8 which gives heroic gear and myth in vault. That sounds like it will be easier than an 18 today. Are they trying to remove any reason to mythic raid or are they getting ready to add another track above myth for raid next xpac. Currently theres barely a reason to bother.

[@vjr6939]

Who even wants this xpac ksm mount??? In an expansion that is about flying, the ksm mount cannot fly???

[@duenorth4535]

WAIT.... SO NO MORE TIMERS?

[@jacobbruce2320]

no, there is still timers but in M+ only. since M0 will be filling the gap of 2-9 keys

[@TonyAwesomePants]

More help for the casuals, but hard disagree on your high-key opinion. Anyone who can't find a group stable/meta/etc enough to push with, is still F'd. Keys need to stop downgrading when you fail, or we're doomed. Dungeons need to stop having mechanics that make certain specs exponentially smoother than others, or we're doomed. If the same dungeon designers for DF remain, we're doomed. High-key pug-life is a hell the streamers/full-time players + Devs will never understand. 2 little 2 late for me, high-key pugs in S3 did me in. God bless anyone still dealing with this mess tho.

[@verdantia]

Hmmmm? Season 3 have been the "easiest" in wow history. No more nasty afixx like grievous etc. Very doable. I dont mind nerf,but above 22 should feel hard and frustrating so that none can get carried.

[@xsaber7]

There has to be something other than the titles now, otherwise the season will be over soon for a lot of players.

[@jacobbruce2320]

How are you coming to that conclusion?

[@danielgpmarques]

This won't address the biggest issue on m+, and that's toxicity and ppl leaving keys left and right whenever something goes different. We need the key degrade on time fails to be removed, like right now, so we can pug free without fearing some twat to tantrum and leave.

[@cb9d90]

omg, its everywhere now. something goes wrong, and they leave. really? guess they dont understand that stuff happens and roll with it.

[@kosmo_2k]

I just want something to happen to people who leave early. I’m new to WOW, started in November so I’m just now getting my feet wet with M+. I have so many people leave if someone messes up, it’s ridiculous.

[@WilsonProductions14]

Skill issue, nothing is stopping you from adding people who were good in keys and making a friend network of reliable players. You gotta put in the work if you want results.

[@cb9d90]

yesterday, mplus +18 waycrest, 2 times 1 tank and 1 dps left. the lighting ans fire in the court yard was bugged or something. way to much.. i thought for sure the healer was going to leave. nope. 1 tank and 1 dps .. really come on. once u sign or que up, they should be committed unless its a crash or something. not leave in the middle of a key

[@jaceks88]

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[@faldarith]

I’ll be able to explore dungeons on current content without worrying about the timer and without running back to old zones? What a world

[@Sly_404]

If you go in to “explore” you can do so currently as well.

[@Lilpiktdude]

Follower Dungeons

[@WhallonJesse]

So they made the rewards even easier. So essentially no rewards because any player that doesn't know mechanics can faceroll through the key with high enough gear. Epic fail.

[@dannyd806]

I think this is better. This will force players to learn the mechanics as at a lower key level they will be more punishing. A +10 is now the same as a +20. You can’t just steam roll through a +20 disregarding mechanics completely. A +10 mechanic ignored will now most likely 1 shot a player.

[@sh1fth4ppenz]

Another good reason to i stopped playing :o , its getting tooo giga scrub friendly , what happened to just git good

[@chadjohnson8527]

Hope they take away players selecting the groups. When even the low skilled players are only accepting meta classes the game gets to manipulated by the top 1%.

[@W0WShaneEV]

Terrible take…

[@dnnymm6447]