SEASON OF DISCOVERY RAIDS COULD BE INCREDIBLE!

[@Joardee]

Any ideas for SoD that I missed that you're hoping to see? Hit me with them in the comments!

[@zanthir1393]

In my opinion, the best thing they could do for balance and tuning would be to kill world buffs entirely, or at least cap them at one.

[@soquality9405]

I think world buffs are a core part of classic raiding. It's a unique mechanic that adds a lot of emergent gameplay. I don't think there's anything wrong with the raids being easy for fully world buffed groups, and it's fun trying to avoid deaths and clear quickly to keep the buffs active

[@zanthir1393]

​@@soquality9405To each their own I guess. I wouldn't call it core to classic raiding, but it certainly may have been core to some people's experience/enjoyment. They were by far and away my least favorite part of classic vanilla. The Chronoboon made them slightly more tolerable, but I still found them the game more fun when we didn't have it. I've been raiding classic nearly every week since classic release and haven't missed World Buffs at all once since TBC/Wrath came out.

[@DavidGino]

Vanilla wasn't about difficult raid content. Definitely the power level are going to be too high but the raid do not need to be "Hard". SoD is going to be the first time for lots of new players.

[@GokuIRL]

I'd love to see them make Onyxia come out of her Cave once in a while and fly around the zones becoming a semi-world boss, where we need to discover how to engage her at different points in the world, she can even deep breath people like how deathwing does in cataclysm. She is his offspring afterall! For ZG and AQ20, blizzard could make timed runs like how ZA did it in TBC where we need to defeat hakaar or something in a certain amount of time and we get access to the tiger or raptor mounts and only 1 dropped per raid. Make it challenging, and hard to do, so it keeps the mounts semi-rare. Just some ideas ;) See you all in SoD!

[@noahvalenzuela2480]

i hope world buffs are not allowed in raid like som

[@nanlame]

With all due respect, I completely disagree about the difficulty. I love Vanilla raids precisely because they were so easy and you could be done with them in 2 hours or less. We had so many people in our guild straight up quit in Ulduar and later in ICC because they felt the raids became way too difficult and stressful for them. Hardcore players will always find a way to make the raids more challenging via speedrunning, parsing or whatever else. Also, imagine trying to coordinate 40 people on a fight like Algalon, Putricide or god forbid The Lich King, Sounds like a nightmare to me.

[@andrewa6607]

It’s a tough balance. I think the hp needs to be increased at a minimum. Otherwise you’re barely even playing the game with bosses dying in 10-15 seconds. You won’t even get the easy mechanics. Every role has had its toolkit greatly enhanced. If you don’t add more damage, it won’t feel like you even need the added toolkits

[@TommyBoyB]

100÷, classic raiding is all about blasting easy content with the boys and getting strong loot.. once in a while.

[@icebirdmail]

I mostly agree with this. I think the raids would have to be adjusted up a bit anyway because of all the player power runes are adding, so they would have to be tuned harder just to feel the same as they did. I think they could add some mechanics to bosses to make them more interesting, without necessarily increasing them to Wrath heroic / hard mode levels of complexity and coordination. And after the Ulduar and iCC grind (with the blissfully short ToGC sandwiched in between) - I have a new appreciation for short raids. There's something to be said for being able to knock off MC and BWL in 2 hours.

[@rct6518]

I get it. That sucks. The solution is to find a "better" guild that is "trying" a little harder. Shouldn't easy mode everything. Or just accept it and DO THE NORMAL MODE STUFF. Waaaaay more players will leave if everything is braindead mode 24/7. Remember phase 2 of TBC when they nerfed SSC/TK way to early? Almost 30% of ALL players quit before Black Temple. Blizz devs addmited they learned a lesson there.

[@henrybustos6974]

A little buffed to make the new abilities feel useful wouldn’t be terrible. But hell no to mythic raiding in classic. Maybe 1-2 bosses per expansion is ok. Nice to have that hurdle but don’t need a lot to make it memorable.

[@icebirdmail]

One thing I'll be interested to see: Will Blizzard keep the end-game raid sizes at 40, or reduce them to 25 or 20?

[@Joardee]

I'm hoping reduce to 20 personally, halve all of the current raids so 20 mans are 10 man, 40s are 20

[@CrixGuides]

I agree! Sod hypeeeee

[@12ntim]

The only reason to raid in classic wow is to get easy gear to go pvp with. So I'm Down for fast and easy raids.

[@stevemalek2970]

Regarding range dps needing to deal with ranged attacks, then they would simply stack on the boss. They would need to make it so range cannot stack on the boss, perhaps if a certain number of players are close to the boss it would trigger some bad event.

[@breakingdownthepages]

Essentially this is what Gen Lobster does in Ulduar. And the fight is very annoying.

[@saurlex1368]

Having 8 manned the first 4 bosses 3hrs before the first lock out reset it feels fine imo. I don't want more or buffed trash if anything I'd like removal of some trash.

[@Goose8585]

Remove boss immunity to certain damage types ^.^ So many QoL changes and small fixes to good systems could be done. LIKE ALOTTTTTTTTTTTTT. Just gonna have to provide as much feedback as possible as a community and hope devs agree with our vision and make the changes.

[@nickmoro1908]

Hard=\= fun. So just a normal difficulty for me is more the enough. Moreover I hope they will create 10 man raid, I am not interested in 40 man raid.

[@DrisTheRavage]

i dont understand the obsession with making raids hard im just trying to chill and clear bosses, especially in SoD

[@Renathoth]

​@@DrisTheRavage Yeah same. I enjoy difficult raid content. But Classic really isn't the game for that. I get some people want Classic WoW with the difficulty they felt 15+ years ago, but the vast majority don't want it or don't care.

[@saschaaah]

You miss one major point here, the vanilla andies wanna stand still and smash 1 (now 2-3) buttons and get easy purps... if they just add health and damage sod will be a snoozefest just like vanilla raids were. But i never had much hope for endgame regardless, its seasonal (waste of time) and u cant make it harder for said reason. Ill just pvp and camp runes while i wait for cata

[@twistedbaz1632]

I feel they should drop raids to 25man but keep balanced to 40man with some expectations

[@alexhusted8923]

Joardee NO this is season of Dads it is our time no HARD raids I want my dang loot piñatas get your hard raids back to retail/classic Prog server

[@YusukeLover6969]

they need to like 2x the hp on every boss with full world buffs and 11 extra abilites per char

[@rct6518]

I hope they go wild and buff the dungeons/raids up with all new stuff. The new stuff! More new stuff! If they do this right, this could be alot more fun than Cata would have ever been imo. We all know what is coming in Cata, same old same old...even more raid logging/GDKP/que simulator. The raids/dungeons are great in Cata (until the end/after nerfs). Oh yeah...NO MORE 40m RAIDING...if that happens, I'm out.

[@michaelg5761]

Just have world buffs disabled in added hard modes (rewards could even just be cosmetic), then normal can be for dads blasting with full buffs

[@himynamesbob1993]

Seems early to be talking about balancing raids in SOD considering they're releasing level caps in phases. We won't be level 60 in it for ~1year no? I'm just excited to try all the classes and new lvl 25 raid on some different specs.

[@jennak88]

LK guide?

[@josegregorio4135]

the lava idea in molten core sounds fun af

[@Quissy]

hey Joardee, excellent video. I love the editing work. I agree 100%: give Mages a time warp. And as you mentioned bosses are already getting trucked. With all these new rune abilities, something has to be done to fine tune raid difficulties imo. That being said, 20m & 10m version of Classic raids would be pretty sick. GL in SoD!

[@Joardee]

Thanks Quissy big fan!

[@henrybustos6974]

Tbf same exact raid but make it 25 man would be fun. With just minor tweaks due to mechanical dif between 40/25. But I’m still ok with face roll content 😂

[@FrostClawAO]

@@henrybustos6974 well you're in luck they already confirmed all max level raids will be 25m

[@supfreshitsourturnbaby]

might be cool if they made a hardmode rag that stands up like the heroic firelands fight, maybe if you dps fast enough or something

[@samwisetheg]

Stop adding bad mechanics just let us go ZUG

[@DavidGino]

Mind control is the worst mechanic. Is not fun AT ALL.

[@henrybustos6974]

Zug zug…zuuug

[@josiahdoddema3265]

Where’s your lich king icc guide my dude lol I thought you forgot about it lol

[@Joardee]

I forgot, you're the first person to mention it, thanks for the reminder!

[@josiahdoddema3265]

@@Joardee no worries my dude I was just kind of curious lol i look forward to it me and guild are still struggling lol he’s no joke

[@henrybustos6974]

A secret hard mode/new boss would be super fun!

[@BaseSRKI]

Love all of this, makes me wanna roll a char with my GF, we only play Clssic WOTLK atm. Thanks Joardee

[@lamasuvictor]

40man raid with worldbuffs cant be difficult or interesting mechanicwise u cant tune them for everybodys playstyle. its 20man for so many years for a good reason

[@majorbones251]

If they keep 40 man raids, honestly I’m out. Never cared for 40 man and it’s a logistical nightmare.

[@darbeefarb2491]

No to new major mechanics in older fights. Hell maybe just nothing modern in general. Classic is a casual game. For Casual gamers. Expecting 40 classic players to do mechanics properly is a recipe for failure.

[@toaster13666]

If WOTLK taught us anything, it's that the difficulty of raiding should not go above Ulduar HM level if it's designed for everyone. I disagree with your take on trash mobs in raids. It's called trash for a reason afterall. I'd rather see some Mini-bosses along the way instead of harder trashpacks because many people don't want to concentrate for 4 hours in a raid, there needs to be time to brainlessly zerg down enemys while talking shit in voice.

[@RavarSeer]

If they make bosses take more time I will quit SoD I’m not interested in more retail time sink bosses

[@Paul-rx1xr]

I smell it

[@gogigagagagigo89]

So make SoD retail? why are you asking for harder raids in a casual dad game?

[@Richard00H]

Incredibly out of touch. A content creator who is in the 0.1% of skill and time played in a game wants the game to be more difficult. The game is most fun when everyone can jump in and play without a huge barrier of entry. The average WoW classic player doesn't want some a raid where on top of world buffs they will have to learn 10 different mechanics per boss. If you want difficulty go play retail. Classic was never about difficulty.

[@Cybrok]

making trash more difficult is just not a good idea sorry. were there for bosses not trash

[@Parzival.007]

I think bringing the heroic raid system to vanilla would be a good idea. Allow the player to choose whether to fight ragnaros on hard mode or his vanilla version instead of changing his mechanics all together.

[@Rondache]

Hard disagree, multiple difficulty options is dog shit, dungeon or raid.

[@Dezy623]

I want level cap 65 and a new raid for it as end game

[@rct6518]

Nope. Keep it at 60. Everything just ramps up a little in difficulty and new purple gear/tier sets bridge the gap.