Finding Lillian: The lost patients of Washington’s abandoned mental hospital

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The Seattle Times

The Seattle Times

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He uncovered 200 headstones. She was searching for remnants about her great-grandmother’s life. This documentary follows two people's consuming quest to unearth the truth about Northern State Hospital and revive the stories of its forgotten patients.
(Produced by Lauren Frohne / The Seattle Times)
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This video was originally published July 16, 2023.
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@rgomoffat
@rgomoffat 5 ай бұрын
This amazing man is researching, finding, and marking these graves deserves help and recognition.
@pamelalapierre6678
@pamelalapierre6678 5 ай бұрын
AGREED !!!
@alexandrasuperbonita
@alexandrasuperbonita 5 ай бұрын
Being a social worker myself, I felt an immediate kinship with him. I am proud that he is a colleague of mine, even if we have never met.
@kathypichey4306
@kathypichey4306 5 ай бұрын
Your doing blessings for them
@evelynjolliff2799
@evelynjolliff2799 5 ай бұрын
Agree,what a Blessing ❤
@aimeekubik8803
@aimeekubik8803 4 ай бұрын
​@@alexandrasuperbonitafur those if you who truly care, may God bless you mightily. So many list souls. Just living long can result in the liss of so many friends and Family. One that never leaves you is God, never forget that.
@dystoniaawarness3353
@dystoniaawarness3353 5 ай бұрын
Back then the husbands can just put them in these places to get rid of them no questions asked. Deplorable
@rubyparchment5523
@rubyparchment5523 5 ай бұрын
Or spinster sisters, gays, the physically disabled, misfits. Oh, I forgot religious fanatics!
@psychedelicpython
@psychedelicpython 4 ай бұрын
I was thinking the exact same thing.
@elendilnz
@elendilnz 4 ай бұрын
Yes. Happened to my great grandmother in New Zealand.
@dystoniaawarness3353
@dystoniaawarness3353 4 ай бұрын
@@elendilnz How awful. Hugs.
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 4 ай бұрын
Perhaps she had mental issues, but she might just as easily have been infected by her husband.
@wendymcdaniel2483
@wendymcdaniel2483 5 ай бұрын
My grandmother's uncle died there in 1935 and Lemley took care of the remains and they had the records available in under 5 minutes when I called. He's buried with his wife in Evergreen Washelli. I learned from the archives he was committed twice, once when his wife died and lastly when his twin died in front of him. They were apple orchardists who had a house in Wenatchee Heights. He had "Involution melancholy" "depressive kind".
@khismet
@khismet 5 ай бұрын
He lost his will to live. The broken hearted.💔
@Heroine2me
@Heroine2me 5 ай бұрын
I’m sorry.. Depression was so misunderstood back then (at some level still is). It’s appalling to think this man suffered from a deep depression from incredible loss as many do today, and he was institutionalized in a mental hospital because of it. If this practice was common today, more than half the population would be committed. That is insane. The irony of it all.
@dionnedunsmore9996
@dionnedunsmore9996 5 ай бұрын
😳♥️omG thats incredible!! So cool that u discovered all this info. Im on the east side of usa so idh loved ones that mite be in any treatment facilities there but its still so interesting to learn about generations past. We did some digging around in my family tree but we definitely didnt get to dig as deep as u did. Really interesting tho, i like this kinda thing Btw?? Whats that diagnosis mean anyway? Like? What would we compare it to in todays illnesses?
@dionnedunsmore9996
@dionnedunsmore9996 5 ай бұрын
​@@khismetthats what i assumed too. Sounds like it huh? I asked her tho, ive not heard of the diagnosis provided. First thing that came to my mind tho was .. a broken heart. I watched a documentary that researched broken heartedness. They proved an increased amt of hormones flooding the area the heart sits in, when dealing with what we call 'broken heart'. Physically there are more hormones in that location. Meaning we feel it for real, its not just something we make up. It's real, not imaginary
@freedpeeb
@freedpeeb 5 ай бұрын
My grandmother's cousin was a deaf mute child who was violent out of sheer frustration. Her parents died and her grandmother was incapable of caring for her. She was put in a place called a home for idiots. So sad that little girl. I have pictures of her but cannot find any records anywhere of her life or death. It makes my heart ache for her.
@kevincoad607
@kevincoad607 5 ай бұрын
Genealogy
@firenze5555
@firenze5555 5 ай бұрын
Quite a different reality and story than Helen Keller. Very sad.
@OurConvictPast
@OurConvictPast 5 ай бұрын
I have been doing genealogy for over 30yrs I am happy to try and help for free if you wish
@namewithay
@namewithay 5 ай бұрын
I'm also happy to help try and find whatever information i can.
@nancyharber9173
@nancyharber9173 5 ай бұрын
Do you know if and how I can get my grandmother's records at Elgin State Hospital in Illinois?
@kimk2635
@kimk2635 5 ай бұрын
We need to start raising compassionate understanding people again instead of hate filled greedy ones.
@sherryBLUE735
@sherryBLUE735 5 ай бұрын
Amen to this! ♥ I am so sick of the greed.
@debbiedebbie9473
@debbiedebbie9473 5 ай бұрын
Yes
@LaLaLonna
@LaLaLonna 5 ай бұрын
As long as our country and culture prioritizes money over anything that won't happen. Capitalism supports stepping on the people around you to gain wealth. We support our corporations putting profits above people at all costs. The bootstrap mentality pits neighbor against neighbor. We allow those that have succeeded in this environment and have the eat or be eaten mentality to make the laws and run our government. Until we make fundamental changes that stop all the resources from being horded in the top 3% of the population we will live with greed and cruelty.
@dureshsamarasinghe5413
@dureshsamarasinghe5413 4 ай бұрын
You all need to change the system or world order it has failed and the world is in chaos.
@Shellyshocked
@Shellyshocked 4 ай бұрын
​@@LaLaLonnaYou said that perfectly. I just wish more people felt the way you do and would wake up to what's going on around the world.
@keenoled
@keenoled 5 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness, well done, Lauren Frohne! That lady is a natural in front of the camera, she just invited us straight into her heart. Her compassion towards her grandfather, who seems to have been a terrible person, and her search for Lilian. Thank you, Seattle Times. PS anyone else thinking immediately that baby was either absolutely legitimate but her husband was angry at her and lied, or she was attacked by whoever employed her as a housekeeper...
@oliviasayshi7517
@oliviasayshi7517 4 ай бұрын
Oh my goodness! I have a suspicion that being attacked by the owner of the house, while my great grandma was a housekeeper, was possibly how my grandma was conceived
@KDBee-ri5hi
@KDBee-ri5hi 16 күн бұрын
I somehow missed the tidbit about her being a house keeper. Back then as many foreign countries today blame when when they are innocent and attacked. We have again gone from one extreme to another.
@hannahstenstrom4028
@hannahstenstrom4028 5 ай бұрын
How many women had postpartum ended up in places like this.
@jkahl1985
@jkahl1985 2 ай бұрын
That's what I was thinking.
@DaraS84
@DaraS84 Ай бұрын
Quite a few. The short story, The Yellow Wallpaper, is a fictionalized account of that happening. My guess is it was a lot more common than you'd think.
@kennycombs4475
@kennycombs4475 17 күн бұрын
They would be sent there for menopause as well. I grew up down the street from here. It's a fun spot to explore
@EllaBella-76
@EllaBella-76 16 сағат бұрын
@@kennycombs4475•Not to live though ...Can you imagine once your in your not going out I have spent in my 20's a couple of years in hospital I had ECT I got flipping Epilepsy so yes they sadly do still do it for me I hated it -It's not a life it's becoming institutionalised it's easy to see how if your miles away from family that even if they are very loyal mine are and my parents where sure you go if your really unwell I have had psychotic depression/anorexia I guess I still have it -Just it's more controlled...Life hey throws curve balls
@SeniorChief604
@SeniorChief604 5 ай бұрын
So glad someone is making the effort to remember those lost to history.
@dmreddragon6
@dmreddragon6 5 ай бұрын
I just so happened to pause this where it says that the Seattle Times played an important role in the unsealing of Northern State Hospital's records on it's deceased patients. Also Lauren Frohne (Seattle Times) produced this documentary. Thank you to all those who helped bring light to the forgotten souls who reside, and passed at Northern State Hospital.
@lanagalbraith6542
@lanagalbraith6542 5 ай бұрын
My grandmother was admitted to Northern State Hospital in 1933. She was there until 1963 when she was transferred to a nursing home on Whidbey Island. She had been misdiagnosed by Naval doctors and thirty years later a correct diagnosis did not free her bc she had become institutionalized.
@darryllcampbell3342
@darryllcampbell3342 5 ай бұрын
My mother was institutionalized when I was six months old. Back then she was diagnosed with manic depression. Later, it was changed to schizophrenic. She was institutionalized up until her death. I wasn't made aware of her passing until about a decade later. Like I, she was lost in the system.
@elendilnz
@elendilnz 4 ай бұрын
The same thing happened to me (in New Zealand). I found my great grandmother who was put into Seacliff Hospital because she was “cranky” and didn’t like her husband. My mother was never told anything about it. I was able to get information from a main library archive where the hospital records had been sent. The entry notes say she would be there for two days. She never got out. Her sister was nearly able to get her out, but she didn’t have enough power in the end. The patients did free gardening on the superintendent’s estate next door. They even held dances. A man could get thrown in there for being drunk and end up staying if there was no family support. The superintendent ‘s name was Frederick Truby-King he became a famous children’s Doctor later. We found my great grandmother’s grave and erected a headstone. It states after her name “She was lost and is now found”.
@BastetNoodles
@BastetNoodles 5 ай бұрын
From her photos, Lillian somehow seems unconventional for her time and that trait, in and of itself, was enough "justification" to have a woman in the 1920's committed on a husband's/man's say so. Her husband "claimed" the child was not his ~ so she gets put in a mental institution!
@HDPersonal777
@HDPersonal777 4 ай бұрын
Unconventional, as in intelligent and strength of will.
@KDBee-ri5hi
@KDBee-ri5hi 16 күн бұрын
She had the syphilis as well. Where did she contact that? Initially I thought she may have been graped at the facility and that's how she got pregnant.
@antonellabanto
@antonellabanto 8 күн бұрын
@@KDBee-ri5hi since in the video they say most of people there died of tubercolosis or syphilis, , it's clear for me that not only hygiene and care were low, but someone also raped some/many young female patients. The son couldn't be his if she was already hospitalized when got pregnant, but he could be his if she was when already pregnant.
@surfergirl2943
@surfergirl2943 5 ай бұрын
Wow what a wonderful man to do this. 😢😢😢 1700 people wow .
@marthashepherd341
@marthashepherd341 5 ай бұрын
Thank You for posting this. Blessings to the Gentleman who is cataloging the grave markers. The folks are now not forgotten. ♥️🙏♥️
@patriciaalexander1061
@patriciaalexander1061 5 ай бұрын
With an interest in Genealogy and Mental health, this documentary hit them both. Well done - I enjoyed this.
@kimjohnson8898
@kimjohnson8898 4 ай бұрын
My dear mother Marie was in Northern State for 9 months where they treated her post pardom psychosis with several things one being shock treatments. So thankful she lived through it and lived a good long life.
@sunshine3914
@sunshine3914 2 ай бұрын
My mother-in-law voluntarily went through electric shock therapy in the 1970’s, after losing two teenage sons in two separate accidents. She came out on top & credited EST with saving her life. She was extremely strong & outspoken, no one would have ever guessed the trauma she had endured.
@lindatrepanier3419
@lindatrepanier3419 25 күн бұрын
​​​@@sunshine3914 I had the opposite effect from Electric Shock 'Therapy' in 2003. It's not for everyone - and usually not therapeutic. It was VERY devastating for me and i still suffer from the effects of it. (I had been mis-diagnosed and 'forced' to have it) None of the patients at Northern State Hospital would probably have been in agreement to have it, I'm sure--their experience of it during those years would be like what we see in the based-on-true-life movie: 'One flew Over the Cuckoo Nest'...that mental hospital that was portrayed in that movie was also in Washington state, just 2 Counties away from the one shown here.
@Justine-gp5tn
@Justine-gp5tn 5 ай бұрын
Their legacy lives on through their decendants. Youre doing a great job.
@catherinepraus8635
@catherinepraus8635 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your heartfelt story I bet it never even crossed her mind that her great grand daughter would come looking for her to honor her memory I have no doubt she would’ve been so proud of you your amazing
@bobbievedvick9334
@bobbievedvick9334 5 ай бұрын
I'm so grateful this man is taking the time to uncover these gravestones. Sadly, the history of this place has been all but destroyed. A few buildings are still in use but most of it is crumbling and given over to vandals. What a loss. The grounds have been kept up beautifully and the area with the remains of the farming, dairy and crumbling reminders of the cannery, are now a historical site but without any preservation., but it with no reader boards or informational history to speak of. They actually had a pretty amazing system with a fully functioning dairy business and canning facility. They had huge gardens in which the residents worked, along with the dairy and canning facilities. All those records were burned taking the history and stories of the numerous people within those walls to a fiery end. People who could have related stories are almost all gone now; those outside people who worked there or lived on the grounds in staff housing are all mostly passed on now. Today the medical practices used back then to treat mental health are obsolete, but it shouldn't be ignored or silenced as though it never existed. It's not like movies portray. These residents weren't in padded cells with crazed, unintelligible noises emanating from them. While there were some of those patients, the build were able to work and hold responsibilities under supervision. They just couldn't function in the real world. It was too over-whelming. And yes, they were there for treatment---archaic as it was---and they NEEDED to be there. But they were also made to feel useful while under the watchful eye, and it provided a safe place for them to live a life as "normal" as they could expect to have. As I wander the grounds today---it's beautiful peaceful place----I'm so sad this place wasn't preserved from the start, and opened to public for tours with educated tour-guides, because it's an era that has passed and is extremely interesting. I wish those records wouldn't have been burned. Names could have been changed, and their stories told through what I believe would have been a major best-seller book. What a rich tapestry of lives experienced this institution. The lives of the residents and the stories of the staff could have been the subject of award-winning documentaries and spotlighted a system, in spite of the medical practices, that was nothing short of amazing. But it's all lost now. So much money is wasted by hundreds of millions, but this piece of history is forever lost by their lack of interest.
@LeahGratiot
@LeahGratiot 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for this.
@catherinemerrill5511
@catherinemerrill5511 5 ай бұрын
Thank yu for givig Lilian a voice and a shoulder. I have both Olmsteds and Masseys in my family tree.
@AnneVandijck
@AnneVandijck 2 ай бұрын
You guys are making all these patients real again by calling their names and remembring them, good for you ❤
@pioneercynthia1
@pioneercynthia1 5 ай бұрын
"The belief was you keep people busy." The worst thing about being on disability for my mental illness is having no job. I miss working. Now that I'm getting older and less mobile also makes it harder to do other kinds of work like gardening.
@Starghost1999
@Starghost1999 Ай бұрын
Excellent Work we need more people like these in the world.
@grumpyoldlady_rants
@grumpyoldlady_rants 5 ай бұрын
It wasn’t uncommon years ago for a woman to be committed to a mental hospital by her husband or other male family members if unmarried. I’m reading a book - The Woman They Could Not Silence by Kate Moore. It’s about a woman who, in the mid 1800s, was committed by her husband simply because she “didn’t know her place”.
@robertgarrett3002
@robertgarrett3002 4 ай бұрын
Kids were often dumped there for disobedience.
@grumpyoldlady_rants
@grumpyoldlady_rants 4 ай бұрын
@@robertgarrett3002 - When I was a little girl, we lived near what was then called a reform school. When we would drive by, my dad would often tell me and my siblings that if we didn’t behave, that’s where we’d end up.
@luannedimaggio7025
@luannedimaggio7025 5 ай бұрын
What a lovely young man Thank you
@rasclotify
@rasclotify 4 ай бұрын
Awesome. And even awesomer to be reminded that there are in fact good people in the world who care about people and who care about history, and being humane to ppl both before and after their deaths even many decades after the fact. Thank you!
@nicholasheckathorn
@nicholasheckathorn 4 ай бұрын
This was a really wonderful story. Thanks for posting content like this here. Would love to see more like it.
@dayzdnconfuz3d
@dayzdnconfuz3d 2 ай бұрын
Great job on this story. Thanks seattle times for sharing
@marjane4344
@marjane4344 4 ай бұрын
I am grateful to see the care going into this needed project.
@raeraewells7053
@raeraewells7053 5 ай бұрын
This is an amazing story. I have a similar story, my great Xs 2 grandmother Martha Ella Summers Pendley was put in the Anna, Illinois state hospital at about age 28 and she had 2 children. Her husband married a 14 year old right after Ella was put away. I want to find out more about her story. I want to know where she is buried and also if there are possibly any pictures of her. I have her admit date and reason why she was admitted and it says her brother committed her. She died I believe in 1918 there. It’s a sad story.
@karenjames953
@karenjames953 5 ай бұрын
I love family history, no matter how it comes. And what you are doing, locating the grave markers and finding out who they are is amazing to me. That is just wonderful!!!
@rebekahtaylor4830
@rebekahtaylor4830 Ай бұрын
Im so sad seeing this got tears th8nking about those poor people just fthrown away and forgotten. Thank you for your dedicated work, such a beautiful thing to do
@allisonians
@allisonians 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your good work! I am overwhelmed by your valor!
@kerlyn3582
@kerlyn3582 5 ай бұрын
What a beautiful looking hospital...worst part of mental health is psychiatrists. That man is a wonderful human being who cares. That building needs to be repurposed
@garbo9951
@garbo9951 4 ай бұрын
What beautiful work. Thank you. From a fellow social worker that has had similar experiences and thoughts. Thank you for sharing your dedication and passion for people .
@christahewitt2758
@christahewitt2758 4 ай бұрын
The man uncovering the grave stones is doing good work. Don’t forget, they institutionalized many many disabled and Autistic people as well. 😢 we cannot forget our history or doomed to repeat it, just as stated.
@w.a3670
@w.a3670 5 ай бұрын
You are an absolute angel to these people, thankyou for bringing them into the light.❤❤
@karlalphelps9909
@karlalphelps9909 4 ай бұрын
it is very hard to learn this type of stuff i was crying even when i learned my own great grandmother starved herself .
@ohmeowzer1
@ohmeowzer1 5 ай бұрын
Your an earth angel thank you for remembering these people time forgot
@-Reagan
@-Reagan 4 ай бұрын
I wish I were a grant writer I’d put my energy into helping this man with this project. It’s so worthy and would be so valuable to the community and the city and state.
@CoopedUp74
@CoopedUp74 5 ай бұрын
❤ When your emotions are so raw like this it's the energy from your past decedent's running through you and those who are reaching out to you.
@shawnaisntshestrange5830
@shawnaisntshestrange5830 3 ай бұрын
So glad that Lillian is being remembered and that we got to learn a little bit of her story. I wish all the other nameless and forgotten would get this chance. It is also appalling to think that our mental health system or even support is not much better today as it was back then.
@wiccan3548
@wiccan3548 7 күн бұрын
Beautiful story. Lillian, you are loved and have been found.
@unstoppablewildflower
@unstoppablewildflower 2 ай бұрын
I know if I’d been born 100 years earlier I would have most likely been in one of these places so I empathize with the plight of those who were inmates here. Bringing honor to their lives is truly admirable. ❤
@heidinewcombe696
@heidinewcombe696 5 ай бұрын
Back then men, could have their wives and children committed just for misbehaving. My grandfather came from a family with 17 children. His parents were forced to go to a poor farm here in Michigan. The children were basically farmed out. At least one of those were placed in an institution where he died and the records were destroyed. Family history and future family, lost!
@harley8680
@harley8680 5 ай бұрын
Another Michigander who had a MIA GG Grandfather. For generations we were told he died. Pontiac State Hospital but it is now torn down. I have no clue how to find out what happened for 14 years.
@froggy0165
@froggy0165 5 ай бұрын
My great great grandma was in a state hospital for epilepsy. The hospital burnt down in 1943 so we have no documentation. Family story is she was raped while inpatient and that's how my great gpa came about. He doesn't have a birth certificate and even historians have found that odd. Ive done ancestry dna and cant find a link to that line to figure it out
@celticwarrior777
@celticwarrior777 5 ай бұрын
You done dna tests on ancestry uk usa? Might be worth it find dna links
@Figgatella
@Figgatella 5 ай бұрын
My GG grandfather died in a mental institution in Arkansas at the State Hospital for the Insane and the cemetery there is just a blank field with no records of anyone. So, so sad. I found a death certificate for him but not place of burial. There is just a plaque saying people are buried there, but nothing is marked.😢
@celticwarrior777
@celticwarrior777 5 ай бұрын
😢
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 ай бұрын
At the state hospital in New Mexico the patient graveyard had a bunch of weathered wooden crosses. I don't think that they know where many patients were buried.
@barbaraguerrero6530
@barbaraguerrero6530 5 ай бұрын
I commend you and thank you for what you are doing. God Bless you.
@tarahartshorne4439
@tarahartshorne4439 5 ай бұрын
Im a Registered Psychiatric Nurse and I believe institutions should be reopened. They could create communities with supports and jobs. Im sure in 2024 with the right support and technology we could do this better
@margodphd
@margodphd 5 ай бұрын
Absolutely. Now we have people dying in the streets, using drugs to cope with trauma of their usually abusive childhoods and the reality of homelessness and mental illness. These places are needed and if run right could give a renewed lease on life, a new start, hope for so many people our polite society would rather pretend don't exist.
@heide-raquelfuss5580
@heide-raquelfuss5580 5 ай бұрын
Institutions where allwaya horrible. If you say this..., you do not know enough about what in institutions happen. Till this day. People who have power over you...abuse their power in many ways, shapes and forms. Dive deeper into institutionalized people, asylums, any institution.
@paigefay8633
@paigefay8633 5 ай бұрын
What a wonderful human being! ❤ If only we could all sacrifice this way for others. The world would be a much better place. Thank you, sir! ❤ Also thank you to the woman that cares about her family history and didn’t want to give up on her grandfather’s story.
@lowlee78
@lowlee78 2 ай бұрын
What an incredible person to uncover and honor so many people’s lives.
@pattyobrien2720
@pattyobrien2720 5 ай бұрын
I have a daughter just like your describing, heartbreaking.
@deboramccallum3987
@deboramccallum3987 5 ай бұрын
One of my family members was in St E in DC in 60s. Its appalling how they released patients on street w/ no help..embarrassing
@deboramccallum3987
@deboramccallum3987 5 ай бұрын
Also Glen Dale Md hospital has been abandoned 30+ yr
@Jayyblue
@Jayyblue 2 ай бұрын
I really enjoyed this. To think what women like Lillian went through really makes you appreciate our life in 2024. Would love to see some kind of update eventually or if he contacts other family members of inmates graves he finds. Keep up the great work.
@kimberlymiller655
@kimberlymiller655 26 күн бұрын
Wow. Sad but incredibly beautiful to watch.
@susiepittman601
@susiepittman601 5 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@Sienna1919
@Sienna1919 12 күн бұрын
I'm glad Lillian has such a beautifully empathetic great granddaughter. It's hard to think about how many women in the last 100 years suffered a similar fate. My heart breaks for how sad a life she lived, but I hope it gives her closure in the afterlife that she is remembered fondly even after a century.
@Bandit1316
@Bandit1316 3 ай бұрын
This is a work of the heart. I understand the obsession. Thank you for the video. Thank you for the story.
@annekstrom3930
@annekstrom3930 4 ай бұрын
Documenting the lost or childless or single women in my extended family is one reason I work on genealogy.
@rahannneon
@rahannneon 5 ай бұрын
my grandmother died in an honor cottage on "the hilltop" in columbus ohio, in the 30s. she had family, but they were sharecroppers, and kept her as long as they could. she wasn't a danger to herself or anybody else, she just had fuzzy thinking and couldn't take care of herself. when she died, my gramma, in her 20s, was the one to go to claim her. she is buried with family.
@marygooge1565
@marygooge1565 4 ай бұрын
John, great to see you and the old place. Hope all is well with you. Great presentation!
@camoh2067
@camoh2067 4 ай бұрын
May Lillian Rest in Peace always and forever❤
@HildeAzul
@HildeAzul 5 ай бұрын
I had a boyfriend whose dad put his mom in a mental hospital.. she wasn’t mentally ill. She became mentally ill.
@JackieBaisa
@JackieBaisa 5 ай бұрын
This was an absolutely amazing piece. Enjoyed every minute of it. I'm so glad they found SOMETHING of Lilian. And that the other guy is uncovering the buried graves....
@rebeccaaugustine8628
@rebeccaaugustine8628 4 ай бұрын
I read a book entitled "The Judge's Wife." Although this was fiction (supposedly), she was "incarcerated" in a mental institution simply because she became pregnant with an Indian doctor. This was set in 1950s Ireland. The judge turned out to be a "closet gay male" with a lot to lose! The doctor was informed that his lover had died in childbirth and returned (heart-broken) to India. The judge raised his wife's offspring as his own who -- remarkably -- was able to pass as Irish! In my own lifetime, a husband was able to keep his wife in a mental institution in Louisiana even when the doctors said nothing was wrong with her! This was as late as 1970! Yes, fortunately, this has changed. However, be aware, even if ROE v. WADE could be turned back, who knows what else could be turned back?
@SongBird21-nz8vx
@SongBird21-nz8vx 5 ай бұрын
How very sad to read about these people who were mental patients, many who just disappeared into past lost history. I am so glad that this woman at least found her grandmother's name and that she actually existed.
@expertexcavatinginc
@expertexcavatinginc 5 ай бұрын
God bless this amazing man for all his hours of work invested in this passion project. Commendable
@aubreyhill653
@aubreyhill653 Ай бұрын
This story is both heartbreaking and eye-opening. I have started my own search on a distant family member who was abandoned by his family back in the 1950's. He was a disabled child who became a ward to the state of Montana. It has been super difficult to find where he was dropped off and where he spent his life. Is he still alive? Is he deceased? Was he loved? Is he also lying in an unmarked grave somewhere? These are all questions I ask myself everyday since finding out about him. I wish it was easier to find family members from these types of places.
@rcekrizpi9947
@rcekrizpi9947 5 ай бұрын
Even more likely, her husband had the affair and gave her syphillis., then had her committed. Its a shockingly common story, and why women's/mother's rights are so important ❤
@angemaidment5640
@angemaidment5640 5 ай бұрын
I know how easy it is to be angry at the attitudes of society is past eras. I feel it myself. But the old nurse hit the nail on the head - people just didn’t understand.
@AnnacolleenEtters
@AnnacolleenEtters 5 ай бұрын
A true labor of love.
@lauradurkin2816
@lauradurkin2816 4 ай бұрын
What a sweet and blessed man to give these people back their name and the dignity of a gravestone , ❤️
@Genealogyhelper
@Genealogyhelper 5 ай бұрын
This is why I do Find-A-Grave. Everyone has a story.
@augustapryor1149
@augustapryor1149 4 ай бұрын
The great-granddaughter is an amazing person
@dianahernandez1709
@dianahernandez1709 5 ай бұрын
Bless his heart. What a wonderful human
@AChoosen1
@AChoosen1 2 ай бұрын
Nice job! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@Leah-br6xu
@Leah-br6xu 3 ай бұрын
I don’t want to forget any of these people 😭😭
@Arrowflight
@Arrowflight 2 ай бұрын
EYYOHHH JOB CORPS!!!! I attended teh Astoria one but my sister went to this one!
@jeanlilley3139
@jeanlilley3139 5 ай бұрын
You are a good man
@easyartisan
@easyartisan 3 ай бұрын
fantastic job
@Thenewboidahlia
@Thenewboidahlia 2 ай бұрын
I just started the video but the title alone made me think of Nirvanas song titled Francis Farmer Will Have Her Revenge on Seattle. Thank you for bringing these people to light
@dinosinspace
@dinosinspace 4 ай бұрын
There must be countless untold stories just like this one, very sad, people lost to time, not even their names are known anymore
@cherjohnson5807
@cherjohnson5807 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing very interesting
@lisapope1462
@lisapope1462 5 ай бұрын
She was beautiful. My Aunt was thrown away too.
@ulaff
@ulaff 3 ай бұрын
The way the archivist was like "I deal with records not emotional people and cameras... excuse me"
@edw8889
@edw8889 5 ай бұрын
I had family in western state in the 40s sad
@lesliblair4573
@lesliblair4573 3 ай бұрын
I really, really want to get involved in the kind of work that John is doing: Unearthing, documenting & preserving forgotten cemeteries. Does anyone know how I might go about finding places near me (Mpls, MN) to do this work?
@thereforeayam
@thereforeayam 3 ай бұрын
God love you. Remember people while they are alive, but this man's work, here, is a next best, a humane effort.
@mintman325
@mintman325 3 ай бұрын
My father and I have a grim saying, “after 3 generations no one cares” and tragically it rings true in most cases. People like you are proof of the opposite and it warms my heart. These people existed and their stories deserve to be told, however brief.
@childofcascadia
@childofcascadia 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if it would help to go over the cemetery with a ground penetrating radar like a GSSI Utility Scan device. The problem is they arent cheap, they are about $15,000 to purchase. But many are available to rent for a specific project for much cheaper. I dont know about anyone else, but Id happily pitch into a crowdfunding campaign to rent one and have these grounds surveyed - these poor forgotten souls' names and resting places deserve to be known.
@littlegreyranger6969
@littlegreyranger6969 5 ай бұрын
The state hasn’t wanted to fund GPR because “we know where the cemetery is,” but more information has come to light. The state has since stepped up to do something about it. :)
@childofcascadia
@childofcascadia 5 ай бұрын
@littlegreyranger6969 Wait, I checked your channel. Are you the social worker interviewed? Thank you. I dont personally have any relatives there that I know of, but as someone whos ancestry goes back in this state for multiple centuries (my European ancestors came here in the early 1800s), I find it important that these forgotten people's memory is taken care of. They too are someone's ancestors and relatives. Im glad the state is now paying attention and I hope they do the GPR.
@littlegreyranger6969
@littlegreyranger6969 5 ай бұрын
@@childofcascadia Yes, I am the person who’s been doing the cemetery work. :)
@yomintyfresh
@yomintyfresh 5 ай бұрын
​@@littlegreyranger6969 Thank you for your work, and for stepping up and doing what the state wouldn't. Hopefully it will shame the state into doing more. This video has had really far reach - I live in Germany and KZbin's algorithm recommended this video.
@maaripoim9049
@maaripoim9049 Ай бұрын
It is so evident here how generations of trauma were passed on, from Lilian's fate to that of her children who were alcoholics and abusive. By searching for her closure and by releasing to the public the fate of her great-grandmother and her fellow patients/inmates, Carrie is changing this fate. The work of these people should be held in great esteem.
@sarahrose3451
@sarahrose3451 23 күн бұрын
Rest easy sweet Lillian
@rainpaken6240
@rainpaken6240 28 күн бұрын
Sad beyond words
@LaurieValdez-zk3dy
@LaurieValdez-zk3dy 5 ай бұрын
Too Sad 😢
@sandfleababe8908
@sandfleababe8908 5 ай бұрын
When we began shutting all these facilities down, these folks with mental health landed on streets with minimal health care. Even when they do get held it's for 1 week, given meds that are quickly stolen on street and no way to follow up with care. It's a shame.
@celticwarrior777
@celticwarrior777 5 ай бұрын
Yes why so many mentally ill are homeless now
@kathypichey4306
@kathypichey4306 5 ай бұрын
It's a crime plain and simple
@tananario23
@tananario23 4 ай бұрын
Thank Ronald Reagan.
@Catlily5
@Catlily5 2 ай бұрын
​@@tananario23And JFK
@sunshine3914
@sunshine3914 2 ай бұрын
@@Catlily5JFK never released his institutionalized sister…
@Melody-cp9pq
@Melody-cp9pq 4 ай бұрын
In the ( just going to use this word ) old days if your husband was tried of you, he would put you here. No matter how it affected the children. A lot of times they would marry their mistress.
@christine_blake_404
@christine_blake_404 4 ай бұрын
I hope this woman found where her great grandmothers resting place is!! How sad!!
@noemisolano4748
@noemisolano4748 4 ай бұрын
I can relate with John because I'm a Social Worker and I work with individuals who have mental illness. I have seen programs for people with mental illness close. My clients say if all programs for people with mental illness close, where would they go for help or other services that they need. This made me if sad because I love to help people and not seeing them get the help they deserve, is a disservice to the people who have mental illness.
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