How the 2001 Mariners went from 116 wins to a historic drought in an instant | Collapse

[@theone2225]

"The goal of the Mariners is not to win a World Series..." that alone tells you everything you need to know about their management.

[@ckendall67]

- When management blatant says out loud "Our goal is NOT to win a World Series...."( as in the focus is not A World Series but multiple championships )then that right away is a bad sign.

[@RockCityWaffles]

@@ckendall67 Always

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

He should have been thankful he wasnt working in New York or Boston.

[@MikeDindu]

The Mariner Way

[@pokehybridtrainer]

Howard was legendary in Nintendo... not so much for the Mariners.

[@ironfossil9963]

Imagine going 93-69 two years in a row and not even close to being a playoff team. AL was a monster in the 2000s.

[@MrJarofmayo]

Baseball will break your heart.... unless there is money involved. If you have money....it can't disappoint.

[@FlyingV555]

Iron Fossil it’s like the 2000s Western Conference in the NBA where every playoff team won 50+ games.

[@lyeball]

Or the 1993 Giants winning 103 games and missing the playoffs

[@behindthefern2846]

That sucks

[@behindthefern2846]

They still haven't recovered.

[@BenThompsonHistory]

The Seattle SuperSonics have been to the playoffs more recently than the Mariners.

[@donaldjones9830]

Ben Thompson And lost to Portland this week.

[@thekeepaway6705]

@@donaldjones9830 okc

[@donaldjones9830]

The keepaway Same team. Different city

[@StevenEveral]

Not only has every other professional sports team in Seattle been to the playoffs since the M's last made it in 2001, they've won the championship in that respective sport. Seahawks - Super Bowl XLVIII in 2013 Sounders FC - MLS Cup in 2016 Storm - WNBA title in 2018.

[@bobs8005]

Steven Manning that is quite pathetic

[@jtpal12]

SB Nation Presents The History of the Seattle Mariners: Part 5.5

[@Schwedeballz]

@MAN UTD doubt it.

[@JJJameson.]

@M Advantages of the Internet, someone might be reading this in 2040

[@ByloBand]

As a Mariner fan, I want to thank you for sparing us everything that happened after 2004.

[@ElectricCool]

@Kouvre K yup..the only bright spot that year was King Felix

[@rebelstrategist]

Oh I can never forget about the 2005 through 2009 seasons, 2007 did have a good team until August at least. And yeah, it's good that we finally ended the drought and beat the Blue Jays!

[@skylineto4497]

Jamie Moyer was 39 in 2001 😂 then went on to pitch for another 11 years

[@kvltizt]

Moyer was a boss. Almost Maddux like.

[@guccigucci5002]

@@kvltizt moyer did it way longer than maddux

[@denistuohy2535]

Jaimie Moyer retired?

[@kvltizt]

@@guccigucci5002 Yeah, but Maddux was a better "slow" pitcher which is the aspect of their respective games I was referring to. They're both masterful control pitchers who weren't throwing big heat.

[@guccigucci5002]

@@kvltizt oh for sure maddux was 10000000x better

[@hoeruokamix]

As a lifelong Mariners fan, Ichiro was and is a legend for Seattle.

[@jakelang806]

obviously

[@davidalhadeff8238]

he was great but should have been traded earlier than he was.

[@bobkovacs4864]

Is your name supposed to reference Aaron Boone, the yankees manager

[@QuarrelsomeLocalOaf]

I feel weirdly honored to get to be the 51st like on this comment

[@favicon-z5f]

@MANCHESTER UNITED lol u mad?

[@mostdeadlygeist]

as a mariner's fan we've been in the 'acceptance' stage of grief for about 10 years counting.

[@mostdeadlygeist]

@Harry Engel we honestly got screwed for having such a stacked division and only 1 wildcard at the time. other teams were making playoffs with like 83 wins.

[@DerbyMods]

Exactly!

[@edboy484]

They're off to a good start this season. I wonder how they'll let us down. My money is on not being able to take a series against Houston

[@XenoFireStar]

@@edboy484 My money is on dumpster fire bullpen and our offence coming back down to earth, because come on, it has been pretty unreal the way our starting 9 have been swinging the bats to start off the season.

[@somethangwong1810]

True to the blue

[@natemarx4999]

The early 2000's was horrible for Seattle. The Mariners teased and choked, the Supersonics left, and Frasier came to an end.

[@RequiemForABuckeye]

Sonics left in the late 00's

[@mikeyoungblood1642]

Once ownership duped the citizens into paying for Safeco Field, they began demolishing a budding dynasty...Owners are the worst kind of greedy, emotionless businessfolk

[@bstove24]

Hawks usually fielded a competitive team.

[@zach2473]

The Seahawks also got screwed out of a super bowl

[@Jaco927]

Oh baby I hear the blue a callin', Tossed Salad and Scrambled Eggs!

[@SFK360]

As a Mariners fan, just seeing those comments again from Lincoln makes me unbelievably frustrated. What's funny, is that he (as well as Chuck Armstrong) really stopped commenting to the media altogether as things got worse and worse through the 2000's. The general message from diehard Mariner fans when he and Armstrong stepped down was "don't let the door hit your ass on the way out," and for good reason.

[@marquesdinapoli9945]

I would have been 6 during that 2001 season, so I don’t remember much of it firsthand (except, ironically, one of the few losses, because it was the 1st game I ever went to), but coming back and doing research on how it all went wrong is so eye-opening and frustrating in retrospect, because you can still see ripples from the greed of a few and how it has negatively affected the team and the community for so many years since.

[@MrT571]

@Harry Engel and they should have. If you can't run a competitive team you shouldn't own one.

[@apr8189]

Had Lincoln made his comments about not winning a World Series in New York, Steinbrenner would have fired him on the spot. And, that's a fact.

[@MrT571]

@@apr8189 fired? Steinbrenner hired Howie Spira because he waa battling with Winfield. This guy would have been killed and buried in Yonkers before the next week started.

[@rebelstrategist]

@Fries As much as Safeco / T-Mo is a good entertainment venue and has a meticulous field and all, the "stadium that Junior built' never had input given by its players on how it should be built. A voice in saying how the stadium should be enclosed / built akin to Minute Maid / Enron Field not to mention fence dimensions really would have helped keep Junior in Seattle over him opting to want to play at Cinergy / Great American Ball Park.

[@manband20]

*YOU BLEW IT! YOU HAD IT ALL AND YOU BLEW IT!*

[@KTKZon58]

😂😂😂Urinating Tree fan, perhaps???

[@ck-1649]

*YOU HAD ONE JOB*

[@kmena05]

Randy Johnson got the better part of the deal in that 98' trade, in 01' he won a World Series w the D Backs 👀

[@jraymond1988]

Except that he was traded to the Astros and then signed with the D-backs in Free Agency.

[@callmesoftware8633]

Had the yankees not destroyed them they could have shut down Randy Johnson.

[@HeadEnterprise]

And blew up a bird with a 98mph fastball.

[@bobs8005]

HeadEnterprise never to be repeated...that and Big Unit cussing at the top of his lungs after striking someone out are my favorite memories of him

[@Whitsoxrule1]

Freddy Garcia too, he was a key part of the 05 Sox and won a ring with them

[@AzureKite]

This is basically a non-shitpost version of UrinatingTree's legacy of failure video on the mariners. Good video though.

[@Iridescence93]

yeah I thought of that, Mariners fans getting crapped on on youtube lately. At least you guys still have a team though.

[@clouseaux]

UT missed alot of nuance captured here, but to be done right this needs to be produced by an actual M's fan. I for one bailed when they ran Lou out town, he was too much man for the org

[@closethockeyfan5284]

@Harry Engel I think your comment is amazing and hope more people recognize it. I know your pain all too well as a Pirates fan and have rattled off similar comments. I also think this video missed the opportunity to alluded to that epic Indians comeback against a strong Mariners squad. That was unbelievable and deserves a deep rewind.

[@closethockeyfan5284]

@Harry Engel You make a lot of good points. Everything had to fall exactly out of place for that game to implode. So I appreciate your condolences regarding the Pirates. The change in format to the wild-card game screwed the Bucs more than anything. They were built to win series but not an individual game in 2014 and 2015. There is no other scenario in which MLB has teams play single games instead of series. Moreover, there was not only a disparity between their record and Chicago's in 2015, but the Bucs were second-best in the MLB. They just had the misfortune of being in the same division as No. 1, St. Louis. So once they lost the wild-card game instead of getting the automatic NLDS berth in 2015, their All-Star core (Cutch, Cole, Liriano, Harrison) imploded historically and everyone forgot the brass had built a legitimate contender from scratch. Now the largely illogical majority of the fan base is blaming the owner (who took control in 2007 and implemented the rebuild that turned around the franchise) for every loss since 1993 and crediting none of the success to him. Moreover, they maintain blind loyalty to the shell of Cutch and insist he should've gotten a blank check to play for Pittsburgh forever. It's so frustrating because the main sports media in town placate the simpletons with unsubstantiated (i.e. therefore unethical) conspiracy theories about the owner sabotaging the team, all for cheap ad views and radio listens.

[@Arizzo97]

UT is suppose way more memey hence missing details. It drives me a little nuts for certain teams, but I'm addicted to his videos regardless

[@stuarthunt4606]

God bless you for using Dave Niehaus's calls in some of the clips.

[@parasight21]

It’s also worth noting that Hiroshi Yamauchi, who owned Mariners, never went to a single Mariners game while alive even when Mariners played few games in Japan.

[@paraisoinformativo]

MLB commissioner Fay Vincent and ownership committee were strongly opposed to the idea of a non-North American owner and did not approve the deal. However, following the strong support and sentiments of the people of Seattle and press, the commissioner formally approved the deal, under the condition that Yamauchi had less than 50% of the vote. This was a major development in American baseball, because this opened the gates for Japanese baseball players to American league teams, which had been previously denied. In 2000, the club made its first profit of $2.6 million since its acquisition by Yamauchi. And as you mentioned, Yamauchi never attended a Mariners game.

[@ZGryphon]

The way you phrased it leaves open the tantalizing possibility that he started showing up after he was dead.

[@GregHuffman1987]

angels in the outfield

[@SEC9RIDErR]

Collapse idea. Dwight howard era Magic and all of the drama after 2009. Van gundy. Richardson. Nelson. Turkoglu. Carter.

[@DS-on3tb]

Matt S bruh my heart is not ready for that

[@jacksonbear1]

That’s needed

[@fourtwenty1813]

The suns would be good too. Start in Nash's first MVP years and proceed to tell the tale of Robert sarvers cheapness

[@jacksonbear1]

four twenty Or start when they traded Shawn Marion for Shaq

[@fourtwenty1813]

@@jacksonbear1 nah you gotta include when sarver let Joe Johnson go when he was a restricted free agent because Johnson wanted a contract that he deserved but sarver didn't want to pay up

[@HonestUAWElectrician]

No matter how many games you win in the regular season, everybody 0-0 come playoff time.

[@matthewmazzatto8003]

@@UnicornmooseE30 I was literally just about to mention the Lightning. What a joke of a team.

[@scottallan7931]

Ive always wondered other than money, why have a post season ? I always think the team that is the best over a season should simply be the best team. You can win all 150 games in a season and then lose in the first round in the playoffs and it's all over coz one team went on a run at the end of the year. Does that really make them the best team ? When the Patriots lost the SB after winning every game, were they all of a sudden not the best team that year ? I'll never understand it

[@Andvare]

@@scottallan7931 Because TV. Soccer has both. The regular season might be interesting, but the real TV draw is the elimination cups. Elimination cups have the do or die excitement at the last matches, the regular season might not have a deciding match, especially if one team is dominant. If the NFL, as per your example, didn't have the quite random crapshoot they call a Superbowl run, the 2007 season would have been over after 13 games, with 3 more or less meaningless games remaining. This means that the big crowd pullers for TV, the big money makers, is impossible to get some seasons. Do or die games simply makes for better TV, and with a elimination structure, you can ensure they happen. That they are random crapshoots, with outcomes that have only a little to do with deciding the better team, matters little there.

[@scottallan7931]

@@Andvare you make good points, of course playoffs and cups have the excitement of do or die and a winner but I have seen a number of times across different sports a team finish as low as eighth with a 45 percent winning rate after the regular season, make the playoffs then win 3 games in a row and be called champions which should be for the best (most consistent) team of the year overall

[@Compucles]

The Patriots had a perfect season, easily won 2 playoff games, but then they choked in the Super Bowl. Although, I don't think Belichick and Brady mind that collapse too much considering how many championships they have won.

[@nivekross]

Can’t wait for the Collapse episode on literally any Cleveland franchise

[@lucascongdon309]

nivekross Browns are getting good tho

[@davidminor4213]

Lucas Congdon shhhhhhh. You're gonna jinx us

[@ElectricCool]

The Browns would be the best choice, let's be honest...their heartbreaks all have NAMES!!!

[@jessejames8774]

Well Cavs won in 16

[@Ofallthings089]

Xavier Jackson How can the Browns collapse when they were never good to begin with? Their history is all plateau and no peak.

[@WalkerSFM4861]

The 21 year playoff drought is now over for Seattle Mariners & now it's showtime for 2022 postseason.

[@ericemanwu]

I had just moved to Seattle when 116 happened. You have no idea how disappointed I am now to go through glory days fatigue after such a big high.

[@kennethzinke9168]

The 2000's was horrible for Seattle. The Mariners teased and choked, the Sonics left for Oklahoma City and became the Thunder and Frasier came to an end. The Seahawks also got screwed out of Super Bowl 40 to the Steelers.

[@thehunterstruck]

At least they have a hockey market now that should be absolutely HUGE for them Seattle fans are rabid and very very loyal

[@lukesajewski1282]

Here after the 7 run comeback; this team and fan base deserve a magical run

[@TimeofQwerty]

oops

[@-4subscriberswithahammerad521]

The higher you climb the harder you will fall

[@BlakeuhLIVE]

@the Boston red Sox

[@nohbuddy1]

Except for the 1998 Yankees

[@erichong5735]

Unless you actually have competent ownership. Then falling would be really hard, unless there's absolutely terrible luck involved...

[@coleslaw3365]

Noh Buddy yankees suck 🥱

[@4077Disc]

Listening to all the names that came and went through Seattle in the early 2000s made me realize that the Mariners are basically just a AAA team for the Yankees...

[@ypro3102]

4077Disc only a few of those gus ended up in pinstripes.

[@protoman1365]

Notable players traded out of the Mariners organization are Adam Jones, Jason Varitek, David Ortiz, Mike Montgomery (the guy who got the final out of the Cubs 2016 World Series win), and Mark Trumbo prior to his fantastic 2016 season (only one really worth anything for him). No, they're not a farm team for NYY. They make some good trades, and a lot of bad ones across Major League Baseball as a whole.

[@bentaillon9209]

@@ypro3102 The Yankees also signed Tino Martinez away from the Mariners in the 90s

[@ypro3102]

Joshua Smith they traded for him actually

[@warzIbanez]

The last guy to go to the Yankees from Seattle was Mike Ford (who's now back. ) But yeah, there's a number of guys who went over to New York and got that team far into the playoffs like Olerud and Raul Ibanez.

[@FasterToTheEnd]

The way you guys breakdown the history of teams so effectively has me absolutely pining for a build up style video to the Red Sox' first WS title in 04. The dynamic of the league was so fascinating at that time. Lots of underdog stories.

[@jg7102]

August 5th 2001 I was there. Greatest comeback against one of the greatest bullpens/teams ever. Cheers great video.

[@WestCoasting206]

I remember that game vividly. I was on vacation and listening to it on the radio and they were up by like 11. Finished dinner and they were up by 8. Got back to the hotel and they were up by 5 and then the Indians just kept chipping away.

[@andrewchang7194]

In 10 years, if the angels never win a World Series, we’ll be looking back on how they never won with Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani on their team….

[@pimentovideo1915]

Do one on how the expos had the best team in baseball in 1994 until the lockout, and than traded all their players and the team eventually moved.

[@buckfuttler2877]

Mariners were playing awesome in 94 as well.

[@buckfuttler2877]

@Harry Engel i think everything you said was spot on! well said man. gosh i remember the mariners were FINALLY playing good ball. i really think they would have taken the division. but prob an expos and yankees series that year.

[@SmoothCriminal12]

@Harry Engel It's also possible the White Sox make the World Series since in my opinion, they were a better overall team then New York, especially in terms of pitching depth.

[@RYMAN1321]

Expos were never gonna succeed with the piss poor management they had. Hence why they only made the playoffs once (1981) in their 35 year history

[@nicholasmorris4882]

Never clicked a video so fast...loving this series

[@Chidsuey]

Maybe the four way division winners' first round collapse in this years NHL playoffs will make the cut here at some point.

[@robertrogers7938]

The NHL is still a thing?

[@iamtheiinteam1974]

Robert Rogers Yep and it had some good ass drama filled Playoffs instead of whatever the NBA’s playoffs are other than the Warriors and Clippers series

[@krishiv04]

IamtheIinteam 1 you must only go based on the first round. wait till the semi-finals everyone’s gonna be going crazy and nhl is gonna go non-existent again

[@HotsauceYT]

Krishiv04 NHL is the 5th largest sport league in the world what you mean silent lmao

[@ecosound34]

You must not have watched the Portland/OKC series

[@isaacbrauerdesigns8693]

The goal is not to win now. The goal now is to fight for a chance to win. WHAT?!

[@vaguelysomething]

Believe me, the rest of us in Seattle were just as pissed. Lou Pinella wanted the talent but management kept saying no

[@aminurrrr0621]

Ikr. That comment wouldn't fly in a place like Boston or New York. Lincoln would've been ripped to shreds by the fans, the writers, and the local radio shock jocks.

[@Pooper]

Isaac Brauer We’re not going to McDonald’s to have lunch, we’re going for a CHANCE to have lunch.

[@StevenEveral]

When you realize as a Mariners fan that, at one point, you had Jason Varitek and David Ortiz. Excuse me. *SCREAMS IN CORNER*

[@user-xk3xc6di6u]

Don't forget about Adam Jones and michael Pineda

[@freddieslade827]

and Derek Lowe

[@ryanstaiger1712]

@Harry Engel the story of the Mariners is letting go of unknowns and they end up playing great elsewhere

[@tobznoobs]

@@ryanstaiger1712 letting go of the unknown future of their star randy johnson after his injuries, then proceeds to be a top pitcher and win a world series elsewhere.

[@ryanstaiger1712]

@@tobznoobs that’s a little different, but ya still sucks. They also had to worry about keeping Griffey, Martinez, and A-Rod and didn’t think Randy would end up tearing it up in his older age

[@Golfman489]

That 2001 Mariners team was probably the best Mariners team of all time, it's too bad they ran into a brick wall called the Yankees

[@razkable]

had they kept randy johnson who ended up beating the yankees in 2001 in the next series they would of won it all...ironic isn't it?..and a rod ends up winning in ny too..smdh..poor mariners fans

[@misteree78]

It's called steroids. Everyone on their team was on steroids. Every World Series the Yankees won after 1990 doesn't count.

[@jakelang806]

i mean they beat themselves they could have beat the skanks

[@5t3r3054x]

I was 17 at the time, and recalled to be listening on radio the ALCS series against the Yanks, just to end disappointed at the Mariners' elimination after that great regular season

[@shermanngjazz]

2022: The Mariners are finally in the playoffs!

[@hiimemily]

Can't wait for the Tampa Bay Lightning episode. EDIT 08/15/2021: Just call me Nostradumbass, I guess.

[@poundlandrasputin4801]

Oh that’s a good idea

[@mementomori8169]

I was looking for this comment...

[@firehorsechannel4342]

I’m a Bruins fan living in Tampa. If that leads to a collapse; that would be AWESOME

[@bigblue9996]

The Rangers first on how we never won a Cup with Lundqvist.

[@jessesmith-garcia5313]

That one's gonna be epic and tragic at the same time.

[@roygoodhand1301]

THE DROUGHT IS OVER AND THIS VIDEO JUST AGED VERY WELL.

[@nohbuddy1]

Just imagine if they had Johnson, A-Rod, Griffey, and Ichiro all on the same team

[@davidminor4213]

AmericanNohbuddy ™ ARod would've gotten jealous

[@coleslaw3365]

Noh Buddy don’t forget the mariners had David Ortiz in their farm system at one point. 😂

[@NotMeNaNaNa]

Watching this video made me realize they wouldn’t have been as good in 2001 if not for trading Big Unit for Garcia, Guillen and Halama also as much as it sucks to see my all-time favorite player never make a WS trading him for Cameron proved to be the right move given Griffey’s injuries as a Red. Maybe they get past the Yanks if they keep A-Rod, but at that time Texas shocked the world by giving a contract that only the Yankees would’ve offered, long before the Red Sox and Dodgers joined them as biggest spenders. The biggest kick in the nuts though was seeing the long suffering Angels pass them in ‘02 for the WC after they blew the division to the A’s to win their 1st and only WS. 21yrs later they remain the only team in MLB w/o a WS appearance thanks to the Nationals(fka Expos) winning it all in ‘19.

[@protoman1365]

Originally, I am from Seattle. I go to college in Illinois with several Chicago kids, mostly all Cubs fans. When they won in 2016, the first thing I asked each and every one of them was "are you finally willing to concede the Mariners are the most cursed team in baseball?" This is a team that last made the playoffs when I was 4 years old and in preschool, and right now I'm a 5th year student in college. A baby born on the day of the last Mariners playoff game would be month and a half way from being legally able to vote in the US (and they're definitely not making it this year). To be honest, it's one thing if the team was a regular season juggernaut but couldn't win in the playoffs. But since that 03 season, the Mariners have had 5 winning seasons (07, 09, 14, 16, and 18), and 4 of them they had genuine chances to be a playoff team (all but 09). What happened? The A's either got hot and stole the Wild Card spot, or they played spoiler against Seattle. To be honest, I hate the A's more than any other team, including the Yankees and Angels, even though I respect the hell out of their general management (ownership not so much). The 07 team blew a Wild Card lead in August, the 14 team was eliminated on the last day of the season because they had a great rotation but one good hitter (Robinson Cano), the 16 team started well, tumbled horribly in June, and went on a hot streak only to be eliminated on the second to last day of the year, and the 18 team blew an 8.5 game lead in the Wild Card standings, falling from 24 games over .500 at the time in July to 16 over at the end. This is the first time they've tried to attempt a legitimate rebuild where they tear everything down in a while, though, so I have some level of hope. Not much, though.

[@ulikemykungfu3995]

It finally happened. The drought is over.

[@brandonwilliams18]

They truly have... A Legacy of Failure.

[@anthonylong9067]

Brandon Williams Someone watches UrinatingTree too much

[@CGagnon5]

I'm a NE fan. I am sure the Collapse video after Brady and BB retire will be epic

[@davidminor4213]

CGagnon5 "Everyone thought Josh McDaniels would be the perfect replacement for Bill Belichek, instead his personal ego proved too large. Desperate to establish his own legacy, he jettisoned all of Belichek's players beginning with Tom Brady...... Brady would go on to play 5 more seasons and win 2 more Super Bowls with the Cincinnati Bengals. Pats' fans realized what Broncos' fans already knew --- Josh McDaniels would forever be remembered as the biggest egotistical idiot the NFL had ever seen." This really isn't too difficult to imagine

[@coleslaw3365]

Cheaters

[@CGagnon5]

@@coleslaw3365 lol no.

[@RYMAN1321]

Many are optimistic about Mac Jones though

[@scottrohrbeck7672]

How about a collapse on the Los Angeles Kings? They went from two AMAZING Stanley Cup runs in three years to being one of the worst teams in the NHL, and that would make it so we've seen at least one from all four sports.

[@guccigucci5002]

nobody cares about hockey LOL

[@krohn7master]

@@guccigucci5002 idiotic comment

[@parasight21]

Or just do the whole league about how they went through two lockouts less than 10 years

[@thekandycinema3193]

@@guccigucci5002 Because Americans don't care about a sport they're not the best at Also "better" teams don't win because depth is super important in a 2 month playoff. Who wants to watch a sport where upsets don't happen?

[@HotsauceYT]

TheKandyCinema American teams have won all of the Stanley Cups since 1993, Americans care lmao

[@mst3k54]

Gotta do your next episode on the Buffalo Bills: From perennial Super Bowl contender in the 90's, to perennial (fart noise) today.

[@jacobdavis3876]

As of this very moment, they are undefeated 3-0 in the current 2019 season. However, I expect that mini-streak of wins to end against Brady's Patriots within the next 24 hours.

[@samsmigla]

You should do a video on the “forgotten” 2005 post season. One of the most dominant playoff runs ever and no one even remembers it.

[@dcoker9738]

@Harry Engel well that world series wasn't really that great

[@Servant_of_Yeshua_]

I think it was mainly due to people focusing on the yankees-redsox rivalry. They wanted a 3rd ALCS with those 2 teams so badly that the white Sox magical season went under the radar. Even to this day many don't talk about it much. They were hooked on the 03/04 yankees-redsox postseason battles that they did not keep up with the solid team Chicago had that year...

[@MGAF688]

Yeah, I remember that 2005 postseason. What a run for the Orioles and Giants. A playoff to be remembered.

[@keeshandave8603]

The Mariners have broke their 21 year postseason drought and they are heading to the 2022 MLB Postseason for the first time since 01

[@endcensorship874]

Lou Pinella was a great manager, but he had a flaw; he coached using his gut, not analytically. I’ll give a couple of examples how this doomed them in the postseason that year. First of all, he started Jay Buhner who spent almost all season on DL. A move done out of loyalty. Secondly, I remember a game against the Yankees where he had Edgar Martinez try to steal a base. Edgar is my all time favorite Mariner, a hall of fame DH, but probably the slowest man on the planet. Out at second, rally killer. Went on to lose that game. Man, it’s amazing that I remember all that nearly 20 years later.

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

He also had a penchant for relying on veterans over young players.

[@warzIbanez]

Analytics are to be thrown out of the window during the post season. Just look at how many World Series wins the Athletics, the Rays, and the Pirates have despite those organizations employing "Moneyball." They don't feel like spending extra money to complete their pitching staff and fielders. There are tangible numbers to use from playoff games, but often times you just see players defy expectations from the numbers guys and lead their teams to victory.

[@tmat2024]

As an Angels fan (2002 Champs), this is quite possibly the BEST SB Nation video I've ever seen!

[@hmhm856]

Mariners were down 2-1 on the road against Clev in the 2001 division series, so they almost lost that one as well. I still feel like the 2000 Mariners with 90 wins were a more dangerous team than the 116 wins 2001 Mariners

[@nathaniellevesque2782]

2001 was the same year the Mariners blew a 12 run lead to Cleveland. That should have been a sign that the Mariners that year weren't invincible.

[@bhfootballer26]

Nathaniel Levesque that would've been win no. 117. Truly a bizarre moment in an otherwise incredible season.

[@davidalhadeff8238]

the only reason they won that game was because Cleveland committed suicide by pitching Chuck Finley in game 5. I have no idea why.

[@davidalhadeff8238]

2001 Mariners were possibly the biggest team in history

[@jaredmenard7645]

@@davidalhadeff8238 and yet...they weren't as good as the Yankees they lost to lol. 2000 was better, when they had A-Rod. They severely outperformed their talent level in 2001, and in the playoffs it came back to haunt them. Top to bottom, the Yankees were just better that year. You could even start with the starting pitching.

[@derekwalker87]

Every single time, you get me by the end of the video. Something about the heartfelt music coming to a close and that final sentence being thoughtful and contemplative. The one you did for the NY Giants collapse resonated hard, and I still go back to watch its final 3-4 minutes.

[@bluemonkjd]

1986 New York Mets would make a great episode. The dynasty that never was, spiraling into 1992, aka The Worst Team Money Could Buy.

[@ManuelRamirez-qe9kp]

Thanks!

[@oliver81405]

We will always miss you, Ichiro~ and those glory days~~😊

[@chucknola484]

Jamie Moyer pitched in the mid 80's, 90's, 2000's and the 2010's He was a 16 game winner at age 45 for Philly's world series winning ball club in 2008. He had a remarkable and unique career.

[@hunterreid7782]

Do the collapse of the 1990s Cowboys. Even though I am a diehard fan, I want to see y'alls perspective.. Y'all are awesome!

[@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520]

I am more curious about the phenomena of Cowboys fans acting like it is still 1996... I am not saying that you are among these peeps, but you can't deny that the level of insufferability, and denial, runs deep in the fanbase. Again, I mean you no disrespect. I have two best friends that are diehard `Boys fans, and they're not like those fans. :-)

[@hunterreid7782]

@@insertcolorfulmetaphor8520 I don't relate to them, but I hear it all the time and it is crazy! 1996 is over, but 2016 might start something in the future. That's all I can say. I completely see where u r coming from and I agree.

[@wyattcaldwell1790]

I’d say most of us Cowboy fans r realistic about the future. We expect a winning season but not all of us are screaming that they r gonna win the super bowl the internet kinda gives us a bad look but yea we have a ton of dumb fans. I don’t blame people when they call us the worst fan base in sports 😂

[@SmoothCriminal12]

@@wyattcaldwell1790 Eagles and Steelers fans are worse imo

[@warzIbanez]

They're worse for different reasons like throwing rocks at Santa.

[@buckfuttler2877]

im a Ms fan, and i didnt expect us to win the series that year even after 116. no Unit. no Arod. no Junior. im still proud of that group of guys for that ride.

[@Oneiriel]

It's gotta be the curse of Ted Bundy. During his trials, he would wear a Seattle Mariners shirt. He also claimed to be a SuperSonics fan.

[@GetSiked]

My family had season tickets in 2001 when I was just a kid. This brought back so many memories. Great video as always

[@QuartzGolem]

The 2001 Mariners were the pinnacle of successful failures until the 07 Patriots and the 16 Warriors showed us that its far more brutal to make it almost to the finishline and then crash in spectacular fashion.

[@Atlassian.]

Mariners led MLB in attendance in 2001, 2002, and 2003. The fans loved the Mariners.

[@diogenesofseattle2344]

The 01 Ms won 116 because their 4 & 5 starters would have been in the top 3 on any other AL team. Playoff baseball is a different game (4 games/wk) than regular season baseball (6 games/wk) What made them win 116 was useless in the playoffs. Playoff baseball is about having 2-3 great starters, not 5 good ones.

[@stevenkunzer9027]

That is absolutely correct + Mariners had bench depth that doesn’t matter as much in the postseason. 1998 Yankees had the best of both worlds because they had the stupid amount of depth but the starting talent was still among the best in baseball so they could cruise to 114 wins and 4 out of 5.

[@superbob24]

If 9/11 didn't happen they would've beat the Yankees.

[@misteree78]

The Yankees starting pitching staff was all on steroids. At least two were caught and that's not counting Clemens. That's why Seattle lost. Oh, and all their field players were on steroids too.

[@diogenesofseattle2344]

@@misteree78 so was Bret Boone. Let's not kid ourselves.

[@matthewforbes2969]

Now 21 years later, they are back in the playoffs

[@jwanie366]

Well it took 21 years, but the historic drought has FINALLY ended. The Mariners are going to the 2022 Postseason!

[@wesf7782]

I would love to see one on the 1998 Padres, as the San Diego fair and we don’t have many moments to cherish but if they didn’t run into the Yankees that year who knows if that could’ve been our first championship

[@grimtea1715]

Who came here after they just broke the drought??!!!!!!

[@IAmAlpharius20]

Who came here after they choked in spectacular fashion (again)?

[@gordoh7634]

To Mike... I think you've done a really good job here. Especially, from 4 minutes on. I look at the Mariners now and basically the same ownership is there running the team as a Consortium. I've been a season-ticket holder since 1996 and gave them up this year because I'm just tired of the product that ownership runs out onto the field. With this team it's never been the GM's fault or the coaches fault. Now, what you didn't cover was the nagging injuries to both Edgar and Bret Boone towards the tail end of of the season in September. This was the heart of their order. And if my memory serves me correctly, Edgar had a nagging groin injury and Boone had issues with a severely bruised heel that would that would not cure itself. And this showed up in their postseason performance. As good as Aaron Sele was during the 2001 season he was not a big game picture. He did not bring his best game to those playoffs. Pitching is everything in the postseason. So to sum up the first part, if we had a healthy Edgar and Brett it may have been different. They didn't rake in September like they did most of the Season. However what you did nail is the ownership and how they have continued to mismanage the franchise for over a decade and I finally gave up this year.

[@felixlueggerto]

Greatest Show on Turf Rams for a next Episode please

[@SlugCult718]

Hearing Howard Lincoln saying that the Mariners goal is not to win the world series, must've really pissed off Mariners fans. I'm a Yankees fan, and say what you want about George Steinbrenner, that man wanted to win. Yes, he made a lot of stupid moves and was way more hands on with managers, but he wanted to WIN. Period. If Steinbrenner heard a Yankees employee saying that their goal was not to win a world series, he'd fire them on the spot.

[@gretchman]

That big valley at the end of the graph continued to flatline until... uh... ((looks at watch))... yup, still going.

[@poocrafter2]

This is the biggest OOF that I've ever received while watching an SB Nation video. I remember this season and the hope that it brought to my city for a championship. The heartbreak was so real.

[@NW475]

They probably got the inspiration for this video from UrinatingTree's Legacy of Failure Video on the Mariners.

[@carlosleonardo88]

That video was better, I think.

[@alanleukuma2699]

Or foolish baseballs video on literally this same topic!

[@BruhMoment-hu1ot]

Who’s back after Mariners are back in the playoffs

[@patrickmalka]

This Collapse episode doubles as an Ichiro Untitled episode.

[@thelameg6]

One of my fondest memories was watching this team play with my dad in the Safeco bleachers. What a team. What a year.

[@matthewchristian169]

Oooh I'm excited for Jon Bois to get to this season

[@mariofan2867]

And now they finally broke their drought 21 years later.

[@bootitup6927]

Why is the main reason for most collapses greed?

[@TheZombieeeeeee]

cause greed is self-serving and in pro sports where the ultimate teamwork and sacrifice is needed, any form of greed small or large can ruin any chances of success.

[@dewymessiah_8355]

Every time I think you guys are done, you keep pulling me back in

[@jacksonhabig607]

Bruh this actually makes me really sad. I’m 17. I was born in 2001. I literally don’t know what it’s like to have my favorite team make the playoffs.

[@jakelang806]

Seattle had some great teams classic players

[@jacobdeboard6529]

Literally same. Im 17 and haven’t been alive to see a Mariners playoff game

[@tylarjones9281]

Baseball is hard. I say it is worst when your NBA team has not made the playoffs since 13 years.

[@jacobdeboard6529]

Tylar Jones Seattle doesn’t even have an NBA team so...

[@tylarjones9281]

@@jacobdeboard6529 My NBA team should leave. I advocate it. Worst franchise ever.

[@ThatBaseballGuy13]

Visiting this gem after Scott Servais got fired. This team is STILL a train wreck.

[@dillberger7934]

Collapse of the Miami Hurricanes after 2002 or Collapse of USC after Pete Carrol left

[@vaguelysomething]

This year was USC's first losing season since Pete Carroll so it's not much of a collapse

[@JevArchives]

Kamal Harrison ^^^^

[@primeglasnow2661]

@@vaguelysomething Yes it is because they were nowhere near the powerhouse they once were after Carroll left,but the Canes is better

[@vaguelysomething]

@@primeglasnow2661 that's not a collapse lol look I've watched my Mariners miss the playoffs for 18 straight years USC fans are just spoiled. If Saban leaves Alabama and they still get winning seasons and go to a bowl game every season that's not a collapse that just happens when a hall of fame coach leaves. Oregon without Chip Kelly would've worked if this new coach and Herbert weren't so good

[@primeglasnow2661]

@@vaguelysomething It is not a full collapse, but I still think it's a collapse, they have never been as good as they once were and don't look like they will be for a while

[@MarinersFanatic]

Been wondering when this video would happen... As a Mariners fan this is incredibly depressing, but I have hope for our team in the next few years!

[@clutch1011]

can you please do a series detailing how great teams were built e.g Warriors, FC Barcelona 2011, Jordans bulls

[@onesonofjacob]

iNerdsome has videos on the 76ers, Celtics and Warriors and a few others.

[@musyarofah1]

There are already many videos talking about team developments to success. How such teams are collapsing is something people tend to forget.

[@AE-vu3nt]

Barcelona is easy, buying referees.

[@PoulsboHoodlum]

As a Mariners fan growing up during all of this it’s painful to watch. But I’ll always love the Mariners

[@WeArePharmers]

Do a Collapse episode on the Chicago Bulls after Derrick Rose's injury

[@onesonofjacob]

Thank God you guys uploaded, youtube is boring today

[@blue_manatee3895]

As a Pittsburgh fan, I've had my fair share of losing and then some. But even the trauma of countless games with scores like 20-0 (against Milwaukee), 17-2 (against Chicago) and 15-1 (against St. Louis) can't compare to the utter heartbreak I felt when we were eliminated from the postseason. I had never known what winning felt like, and then that feeling was suddenly destroyed. On the bright side, my favourite ever line from a newspaper article only existed because of a horrific offensive showing one night, where (I'm paraquoting here) "Better contact was made by Jalapeño Hannah [one of the Pierogi Racers] than any of the batters, when she whacked another Pierogi over the head with her purse." I wish I had cut this out and framed it, as I can't seem to find it anywhere online (so I can check the real wording), but I will forever cherish it as only a die-hard fan could.

[@brianpacos4072]

These are amazing and you guys come out with them quick! Keep these coming!!!

[@BaseballHeadquarters]

Idea for a collapse video: The Texas Rangers from 2010-now. From being so close to a World Series ring in 2011 to 2014 making last place and 2017-18 making last place.

[@Tigerpuffer]

New SB Nation baseball content is better than Christmas.

[@nwsportstilidie]

The rebuild the M's needed to have in 2004 ended up waiting until 2019 to happen. But it's paying dividends now!

[@dannyc.9161]

The drought is now over

[@fyukfy2366]

Rewind the immaculate reception! It was a pivotal moment and a lot of stuff happened before the okay itself!

[@varedna]

This video makes me sad as a Mariners fan. But then again as a Mariners fan I am used to sadness about baseball.

[@LancasterResponding]

Whoa whoa whoa that’s Phillies Legends Jamie Moyer and “Double Play” David “I hit for cycle” Bell to you, sir

[@John-tr6of]

The Mariners was my idea. Thanks for taking it!

[@19DannyBoy65]

Still think y'all should do a twofer on the Oilers and Hurricanes from '06. Both teams were in the finals (Carolina won) and they've made the playoffs a collective 3 times (two for the 'Canes and one for Edmonton) in the 13 seasons since.

[@aprelapoop2550]

Collapse is the best series On KZbin

[@kylewhytonen]

This was fantastic. If Griffey was on that 2001 team they would have won it all!

[@kylewhytonen]

Yes I remember that. He still would have played through injuries if he was in the World Series

[@davidminor4213]

Imagine if they traded ARod instead of Griffey

[@hisshame]

As a lifelong mariners fan, thank you for making this.

[@ericradford2142]

The drought is over.

[@tierensimon7597]

if you see this I have two request 1.) a video on how the mariners built the team and culture to break their playoff drought 2.) a video on where the 2001 Mariners are today Love the content and quality of your videos, and would love to see some more Seahawks, Mariners (Pilots/ Steelheads), and Sonics vids!