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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@amazinbjj]

Just impossible for this guy to comprehend that people who have worked super hard don’t always make it.

[@jacksonelmore6227]

Elevate out of victim consciousness

[@amazinbjj]

@@jacksonelmore6227 i’ve never heard of you. You must not work hard.

[@jacksonelmore6227]

@@amazinbjj you don’t have to have heard of me, nor do you have to work hard Yet you’ve done both. You’re projecting a condescending superiority complex onto successful “hard workers,” because you have an unconscious superiority complex; That you would assume the moral high ground of the most convenient virtue: empathy Those that “don’t make it” weren’t supposed to “make it” They always CAN make it, not by hard work, but by accepting the Self

[@amazinbjj]

@@jacksonelmore6227 So you’re twisting what the guy in the video said to make it fit your narrative. He literally said “eventually you will make it” what if you break your leg? Or get sick? Or have to care for a family member?. Not everyone makes it even with hard work. And those who do should feel LUCKY and not just say others didn’t work hard enough. THAT is the true superiority complex.

[@jacksonelmore6227]

@@amazinbjj so basically you’re using your semi correct, yet misdirected, observation as an excuse to not fully accept your creator consciousness

[@denverarnold6210]

"Business that abuse workers will go out of business." Bezos: laughs in Amazon blood money

[@AWildBard]

Walmart is the nation's largest employer. Their employees are from small towns where, because of Walmart, the majority of small businesses that used to employ people for higher wages and much better working conditions, went out of business because Walmart has monopoly pricing power. It's a small town. People who work at Walmart are there because of the enforcement of poverty, not by choice. Idealism meet facts, please.

[@Darke_Exelbirth]

It's such a blatant denial of easily demonstrable reality. The most successful businesses in this nation are the ones that have been the most abusive to their workers and communities. It is incredibly hard for non-abusive businesses to compete with abusive businesses, because the non-abusive ones tend to be more expensive to purchase from, and consumers tend to want the lowest price.

[@jedaye47]

Coca Cola laughing in corporate merc assassination of union organisers

[@denverarnold6210]

@Daniel Terrero Oh, I'd believe what. I just can't wrap my head around "how": both the employer putting them through such harsh conditions with 0 empathy, and the workers staying there, even in life or death desperation.

[@Sombriage]

Yup the "free market" that frequently gets steroid injections from dear government political hacks who want a larger cut of the money made by corporations.

[@rozzaziobrown6515]

Shoutout to Kyle! I've listened to him since I was 12. Im 25 now!

[@miltonallen558]

Wow.

[@fidgeysrii4888]

similar for me

[@10199ULTRAMATIC]

Same here!

[@spydr86]

Patrick is a master of saying useless things with a lot of confidence

[@thedawg1632]

Dude is a narcissist

[@JimmieCochran]

PBJ is like the master bull sh%tter

[@HH-jg4ju]

@@JimmieCochranexactly

[@HH-jg4ju]

I’m only here for Kyle trust me

[@nonefvnfvnjnjnjevjenjvonej3384]

PDB is basically a scammer

[@deathmetal0073]

These guys think you have to earn the right to vote but people are entitled to huge inheritance for free.

[@kreskinkun]

I commented on this exact same contrast on their channel. Absolutely insane.

[@user-xi7xp4vr9z]

That was one of the stupidest comments in the entire argument. He is literally arguing for an oligarchy-like system that is completely against a meritocracy. He is arguing that if you have more money, you deserve a *bigger* voice which means millionaires will have the ability to dictate the rules. He literally is going against one person - one vote. I am beyond shocked that this was said; they thought this was a good point.

[@hochmeisterr]

They are already taxed.

[@limitlessapocalypse2702]

You should have to earn that “right”. Having a license, shouldn’t automatically allow you to give merit to whoever is going to rule the United States for the next 4 years…

[@terriej123]

Exactly

[@devalapar7878]

Not everyone can be successful. You can do everything right and still fail. People who are successful forget how much luck they had.

[@coreymunroe8073]

That point where the host is talking about being successful on YT, then pivots to working out was ridiculous. He's comparing apples to oranges at that point. YT success and becoming more fit are nowhere near equivalent.

[@jacob818tanner]

there is only so much money and most of it is held by the tipy top, yet this guy really thinks everyone can get rich. what a dummy

[@denverarnold6210]

@@coreymunroe8073 success in most any business or platform is basically 2 parts effort, 3 parts luck. Fitness is equal parts effort and discipline. As you said, not comparable. Fitness doesn't even require anything but yourself, youtube requires at least a way to record and an internet connection.

[@vicfontaine5130]

Honestly I wish I had better work ethic. When I see friends that are doing better than me I'm fully aware that it's because they put in more hours a week then I do. Also there's nothing wrong with the message of investing your money instead of blowing it on nice things, it's not a conservative or right wing message it's just financial sense

[@witl361]

Life is not fair, it is a roll of dice.

[@jackm2499]

This guy is an anecdotal story generator

[@DarkMustard1337]

Great way to describe him lol

[@zacharyybarra7676]

I can't deal lol. Every few minutes he starts up a super long winded bullshit anecdote that vaguely touches on the original talking point

[@phillipproussier3723]

@@zacharyybarra7676 Who are you talking about?

[@vvieites001]

@@zacharyybarra7676PBD is such a con artist

[@vvieites001]

@@phillipproussier3723PBD of course. Major con artist vibes

[@joe45.]

Person : Patrick would you be in favor of raising corporate tax? Patrick : Ok, have you seen Tom Brady play football

[@CreepyGnocchi]

Thats actually a perfect summation of this guy..

[@CortezEspartaco2]

The last twenty minutes went batshit insane really quick. If I'm following correctly, these guys don't actually have political opinions, just personal bro advice that doesn't even try to be scalable to a societal level whatsoever. It sums up to "work super hard, save enough that you can afford to pay others to do your work for you, then pretend you still work super hard." Then you tell everyone that anyone can do it and that if you can't you're just lazy. These guys know this isn't a real solution to any problem because they don't think there is a problem to begin with. They made it and that's all that matters, if they can convince you they deserve it and you're lazy, even better.

[@eminentbishop1325]

Nailed it

[@TheClayCoKid]

That's a libertarian contrarian to a T.

[@Avrahffxiv]

their philosophy really started to come together for me after the "straw story" lol. Just a long winded story to show off how big of a tip he left someone to prove "see this system works".

[@Sombriage]

The 2 co-hosts are basically My feelings don't care about your facts.

[@zgjfinance2796]

Just read some pages a day and think about what you’re doing in your time off and you don’t have to worry about the system

[@kaplou9716]

Bros made stories. Kyle made sense.

[@stonetemplepilot420]

And then the one story he DID give, the dude shat all over it.

[@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV]

@@stonetemplepilot420 The co-host couldn't wait to just conclude the guy didn't finish highschool so that he could condemn him! Right-wingers are some merciless, cold blooded cats man. SMH.

[@pablogfmovil]

@@stonetemplepilot420 I know right!? That was amazing 😂 "who's Kevin? " *lot's of questions about Kevin. It's as if they knew half their stories are bullshit, and they cannot allow another person to introduce his own anecdotal story 😆

[@Adeus1]

He tried. Yet cobbled when he could.

[@fattonyd232]

I was just about to comment that all Pat has here are BS reflections on all the people he thinks want to go to the US

[@sillykyle17]

The fact that the guy's immediate reaction to Kevin not graduating high school was "oh so he's a screw-up" tells you everything you need to know about these guys.

[@Usmcpb]

Them conservatives don't give a damn about anybody. It's you be productive or let the cops shoot em. 🤷🏿

[@CHRISTIANNWO]

Yeah, born with a silver fist up his ass

[@blackmist12345678]

Yeah that actually made me angry like dam some people are evil.....

[@TheFatAssCat]

Bingo. People who work full time should not struggle to buy the bare necessities. I don't care who they are. If you are against that, you basically are arguing that people deserve to be homeless even if they put in the hours.

[@MrDougfunny7]

@@TheFatAssCat facts. Which when you create a society that way, you’re just opening the door to so many problems. We could solve homelessness and all our countries hunger with what the throw away. It’s ignorant &/or spiteful

[@CelticWarrior2265]

My favourite moment was the immediate pullback on the “Kevin’s a screwup” comment upon learning he dropped out of high school to support his remaining family.

[@alexshih3747]

These guys are so clueless about anything outside of their business bro bubble. It'd be funny if people like this weren't actually in positions of power.

[@polyticks8453]

@@alexshih3747 He can't help but be a douche 100% of the time. He's the only one who 100% doesn't recognize this about himself.

[@NoJusticeMTG]

the bit where he says that he doesn't believe in an inalienable right to participate in democracy blew my mind. rich people are just a different species

[@Zombub]

Yeah... I feel like not a lot of people caught that

[@professional.commentator]

Wait he actually said that here? I didn't get to it yet but wtf! That's so elitist.

[@Zombub]

@@professional.commentator It's at 43:30

[@professional.commentator]

@@Zombub Thanks!

[@Matt-ov1qp]

@@professional.commentator I watched this on the other channel a few days ago. He says something to the effect of people should have to earn the right to vote somewhere around a hour in I think? He really needs a history lesson as it's not as if that's a unique idea, even in American history. Perhaps the two most understandable examples being that you needed to be a landowning white male at the start of the country to have any political voice and black people were specifically given unfair competency or literacy tests and unfair laws, called the Black Codes, to prevent them from having a voice politically even when they were supposed to be free. Knowing Better has a good video on that history titled Neoslavery for those that would like to learn about that experience a bit better. The man on the far left needs an even more serious lesson in history. Either American history or the history of democracy in general as both are a struggle for the same ends. Maybe it's more accurate to say both of these guys are just grifter hustle culture figure heads though with minimal critical thinking beyond talking points to support that narrative? The man on the left is worse in doing that spiel either way. They'd be on the right at the National Assembly supporting aristocracy over democracy centuries ago. They likely wouldn't survive the French Revolution. It's rather remarkable that populism as it exists today is basically the opposite as it was then where these men have nothing to fear for basically advocating for the inequality of power to compound indefinitely. Back then you had to dog whistle for aristocracy to have power through economic means, which was called conservatism at that time too to be clear. These guys don't have to jump through any hoops basically. This trajectory is so accepted the most rabid populists are marketed to blame culture war talking points towards trans people or immigrants for things instead.

[@bigoltits1880]

This particular breed of conservative is rather interesting. He obviously came from nothing, from humble beginnings. That's why it's impossible for self-made successful people like him to admit the simple fact that the current system is NOT a meritocracy. because if he admits the obvious, then his own success story becomes less impressive. He wants to have beaten a fair and balanced system, not an unfair luck-based system. His success story is the biggest aspect of his identity and so he's gonna cling to the idea that his hardwork was the decisive factor in his success. Whereas, the reality is that pure luck was the decisive factor in his success. There are thousands of people who work way harder than this guy, are way smarter than this guy but are nowhere near as successful as him. Which means that the system is NOT fair and balanced. And he can't stand this simple fact. Successful people desperately WANT and NEED to believe that we live in a meritocracy. And if we already live in a meritocracy, then why try to fix something that ain't broken? So they become conservatives

[@vonkruel]

There's a famous experiment that was done by psychologists at the University of California, Irvine, where pairs of strangers played a rigged Monopoly game. At the beginning of the game, a coin flip decided which player would be "rich" and which would be "poor". The rich player received 3 great advantages: they received twice as much money at the start of the game, they collected $200 when passing "Go" (twice as much as the poor player), and on each turn they could roll two dice instead of one which allowed them to progress around the board twice as fast. As the games progressed and the "rich" players dominated the games, they began to rudely gloat. Instead of being polite -- _and showing they're in touch with reality_ -- by pointing to the great advantages they received as the explanation for their success, they'd talk about how great they are at board games and make other obnoxious comments. Quite an interesting experiment. IIRC there wasn't even _one_ "rich" player in the experiment who didn't become annoying.

[@limitlessapocalypse2702]

He can make the case “Oh some occupations are a meritocracy!” But for the system as a whole be viewer as an accurate meritocracy?! Oh not even close…

[@hunsinyobum]

"pure luck"? really bro? that's fucking foul, and is such a sick leftist mentality

[@yao052]

@@vonkruel that's interesting. Do you happen to know the name of the study?

[@bigoltits1880]

@@hunsinyobum I said that luck was the decisive factor. Not the only factor. Can you read? Go back and read my comment extra slowly if you need to. Hard work is a major contributing factor, but it can only get you so far. Hell, there are plenty of successful people who got rich without working hard or working smart. I personally know 6 people who work harder than me, but I make more money than them. And that's just in my own life, there are millions of poor people who work waaay harder than i do. If luck is NOT the decisive factor in success, then how do you explain their situation??

[@knixie]

This was amazing, Kyle brilliantly shows how to articulate consistent policy to someone who is just kinda happy with the current system and doesn't really know about the problems

[@jwats4952]

Oh he's unhappy, but in the sense that he thinks that the system is mismanaged and misprioritizing and that maybe "he" should be getting even more back (since he "clearly" works harder 😂), let alone cut programs for those undeserving. He clearly doesn't understand how that framework would've A). Prevented even him from being in the country, let alone make out of Bally's and Burger King, and B). Cause a Dawn of the Dead sized revolution on this entire country. They would literally eat the rich.

[@OmegaWeaponX2]

More like they don't care about the problems, as long as it doesn't affect them. God forbid they only have 2 billion dollars and not 3, they would just be living in the street at that point, I'm sure.

[@nothanks9503]

Kyle: words words words words These guys: badababadabadaba

[@brandong298]

They don’t want people to have any joy in life. You just work eat, shit, and if you’re lucky sleep.

[@lessimcdowell9897]

Lol socialism can’t be a hybrid with capitalism, they are two completely different business models socialism is the workers owning the means of production of a single company, if you are interested how this works study the worker cooperative model. Keynesianism which some refer to as social democracy actually keeps the capitalist / single owner in control of the means of production. Norway has tons of worker cooperatives so it’s socialism and capitalism competing in the free market. The true definition of socialism contradicts the concept that capitalism is the free market because capitalism manipulates the labor market in a way that benefits the owners and socialism corrects the labor market lol

[@mtneves77]

Kyle's patience is incredible, these guys are disgusting.

[@jacknorthfield3973]

As someone who is on the left and already watched this on PDB, Kyle absolutely smashed it. Their arguments are predicated exclusively on individualistic oriented “logic”, entirely neglecting the macro picture. They also illustrate points using convoluted and incomplete faux anecdotes. Although you don’t really engage their points in a debate bro way very directly, the way you substantiate your arguments are infinitely superior to how they form theirs.

[@sprontos]

The right loves a script.

[@1massboy]

Yeah I noticed that. They basically use the idea of self improvement of the individual to ignore fixing anything that is systemically wrong within our system. I was not impressed by either of the two presenters at all.

[@jacknorthfield3973]

@@1massboy Yep. They entirely reject the idea of broader societal improvement in favour of just saying “if you as a working/middle-class person work really, really hard, you might conceivably escape poverty and climb the ladder.” It is a nonsense talking point, and they sugarcoat it by saying inoffensive and uncontroversial comments pertaining to “working hard is good bro!” To try to illicit a response in listeners that they are just talking non-negotiable sense.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

As I said in the other video, the right believes people can personal responsibility themselves out of systemic issues. Yes maybe you survive the hunger games if you hustle enough; no one wins the hunger games

[@ep330]

PDB guys made a couple of decent points. For example, one of the PDB guys pushed back against Kyle on government spending. Majority of the government spending goes towards Medicare and social security and cutting the military budget in half won’t do much if your trying to reduce government spending.

[@watchin7029]

Patrick: why does everybody want to come to america? Kyle: Because we've destabilized their countries. Patrick: well why aren't they trying to go other countries? Kyle: there are migrant crisis in many other countries.

[@bobcondoulis4171]

For those who are ambitious and want to make money, their # 1 choice is America. For those not so capable and hard working its not that great

[@watchin7029]

@@bobcondoulis4171 isn't that known as selection bias. You already must have some kind of wealth to afford the travel to another country.

[@Usmcpb]

@kenjiazurai380 let's not forget about Haiti, America has so much blood on their hands.

[@jamesdraco09]

Also Patrick: why don't these people go to those other countries that are so great? Cuz they can literally walk here lmaooo

[@MatthewMortensen1]

The question Kyle should've asked was why don't people from Scandinavian countries migrate in mass amounts?

[@paulwright1814]

Bravo, Kyle! My god, I don’t know how you had the level of composure, patience, calm, and good humor to deal with these buffoons. They were INFURIATING. They just talked in circles and bullshit anecdotes. It’s upsetting and disturbing that there are so many Americans out there who think like these guys. Good Lord, I could not have done what Kyle did here with the level of class and intelligence that he carried himself with.

[@dividedstatesofamerica2520]

I would've gone bat/ape sh't insane on them.

[@mcshadow5000]

When that host implied Kevin should have been reading books instead of sleeping and “netflix” I let out an audible yell

[@FesterSilently]

RIGHT?!

[@henryburton6529]

My god. He actually thinks all poor people are poor because of their own decisions and nothing else.

[@stevenm732]

Not too surprising. People are inclined to think this way when they acquire something. Could be physical fitness or wealth. The only reason your fat is you don’t work out. The only reason your poor is you don’t work hard enough. These examples are different of course by conceptually the idea is the same.

[@arttusepanheimo4909]

@Tyler Holt It was really disturbing hearing them say that if a person is poor their children shouldn't have the same chances as someone who is rich.

[@tomasmendezdiaz9833]

Some poor people are poor because of their decisions. But the problem I have with Patrick is he saying that ur intelligence needs to be tax. This idea from him is idiotic.

[@lyleknight9012]

All personal responsibility, all for corporations and their bailouts.

[@allistaregreene530]

My god. He’s right.

[@spencerjames9417]

“Knowledge is wealth” The fact that this podcast has a significant audience should concern everyone

[@seanwjones07]

Exactly! This is the Joe Rogan type crowd that subscribes to this junk.

[@xmillion1704]

What an embarrassing apologist overreach for a tortured argument.

[@TheDivayenta]

This is how my bro’s in laws talk and think. Very conservative wealthy Persians.

[@jmscheel]

Exactly!

[@boogie5834]

That whole part was embarrassing by Pbd

[@Danielle-zq7kb]

58:42 The biggest problem with this argument is that if everyone did the high paying jobs there would be no one to: -Serve food -Care for children while parents work -Clean homes, offices, hotels etc. Pick up trash/recycling -Teach -Repair cars, homes, roads -Build homes -Farm and pick crops -Take care of people in hospitals (aides, orderlies) You get the picture: all the menial crap no one wants to do.

[@ErikWithBrain]

"That's not how life works." Alright, Patrick, then stop bragging about how you raise your kids so well all while employing a nanny.

[@davidaramos8708]

I would lose my shit with these Analogy Andys. Props, Kyle.

[@survivormary1126]

Apples to Oranges Assholes! No FACTS, thinking they sound smart with utter BS.

[@AJSeese]

This phone or that phone?

[@philg7528]

Analogy Andy's! 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[@randomfullywonderful]

Kyle is naive. He believes that people have the right to things because they breathe, and they have the right to these things because they work hard and they mean well. I'd say half of people don't work hard, half of people don't mean well, half of people want a free ride, but Kyle's going to gaslight me into thinking that's only 1% of people. It's not. Just because somebody is poor, just because somebody is struggling, it doesn't mean they don't deserve it.

[@ryanb9304]

When that asshole stopped himself from saying "sob story".........🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@misterb7295]

I have to commend you on your temperament, Kyle. Those guys Anecdotes where making my blood boil.

[@fuzzywuzzyangel7646]

Same. On god I wanted to pull my hair out at that stupid waitress anecdote.

[@Theressomethingwrongwiththem]

👍 It was difficult to watch Kyle dumb-down trying to make something intelligent out of talking points about Disney, a working driving home for straws with wrappers, and those bloody minorities that work hard but should be paid slave wages because...they just should. 🙄

[@IsThisAmerica1]

Taxing knowledge is the dumbest analogy to taxing wealth I've heard. Not to mention that it literally is hoarded - just like wealth is. Elite schools serve the economic elite and is gate keeped just like economic opportunity is.

[@ladowd7059]

Hes a changed man. Don't think we got a single dicky mcgeezaks from him. Slightly disappointed

[@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV]

@@fuzzywuzzyangel7646 What I don't get is why he (the main host, his name escapes me at the moment) helped out his father out instead of telling him to pull himself up by his bootstraps and work harder. What is he an anti-capitalist communist?

[@ren1818ren]

The way this guys compares complex topics to things that don’t even relate to each other is unbelievable

[@TheDivayenta]

They’re very simplistic.

[@Zayelion]

Them not understanding that capitalism needs guardrails while also moving the goal post was a bit grading after 20 mins.

[@dt089]

The guy literally said "That's not how life works" when Kyle said people should be afforded some leisure time if they work a full time job and not have to worry about how they will be able to survive and put food on the table. Absolutely incredible. These two guys are so conditioned by the system, they cannot even entertain a thought outside of those beliefs. The ruling class and wealthy politicians love this kind of chatter, because people like this fall right in line like good little servants and don't question why our system is the way it is.

[@carlplz00001]

They are simply pricks, they thinks that poor ppl are just waste money and they complain when they have to pay taxes, hate these fxking entitled arses.

[@willhernandez8494]

Oh they definitely know what they say is bullshit, they are just grifters that know their audience is full of bootlickers.💰

[@greenwhite5110]

Why do u have to define worry about food survival for everyone? Does that mean full time job entitled to have more resources to go travel, dine out, spend on dates? The point of full time job is to get the money and u figure out what to spend on. Your argument to have alternative definition of job contract makes no sense. Look at Europe, taxes as heavy as 60%, no invention, no thriving market, just plain old regulation, old boys network club with no mobility. That’s your trade off to leech on efforts of others.

[@secti9]

Put “should” in one hand & shit in the other, then tell us which one fills up faster. Everyone has to pay their dues, & no one is entitled to leisure time. Gotta earn it, sport.

[@jerrywemhoff]

If an actual working poor person were on this show, that dude wouldn't have any teeth after 5 minutes.

[@virahpayam]

"If people aren't being treated right, they'll just leave." Right, because no one ever gets stuck in abusive relationships due to financial dependence 🙄

[@littlehandsgivescovfefe4837]

And now that people are quiet quitting and going to leverage their power at a better employer, the capital class is saying ‘that it’s wrong and shouldn’t be done.’ You just can’t win with these right wing brain worms.

[@fuzzywuzzyangel7646]

Literally overlooking the fact that people don't quit their jobs because of things like health insurance -_-

[@bernardsimsic9334]

you can tell this dude isn't hurting.

[@seanmundyphoto]

bottom floor level thinking, so frustrating lol

[@Villani_AV]

Also they keep wages down by having high turnover rates. They WANT you to leave. These are the Walmart and Amazon of the world (literally)

[@TWINMAS85]

Every time PBD talks its an anecdote.

[@TheDivayenta]

What does PBD mean? I found ten meanings on Google but none seemed applicable. Or is it his name?

[@ironxtgdp8416]

@@TheDivayentaHis initials. Patrick Bet-David

[@etherealsoulgazer]

These are the kind of debates we NEED in America.

[@SHONUF78]

KYLE! This is your wheelhouse! THIS is where you shine! You must do more debates! They have nothing but anecdotes and you have facts!

[@nftreview]

I agree, get out of the bubble and do lots of these. Pop those conservative bubbles all over the place. You have the facts on your side and point out that anecdotal evidence does not make it systemic. Point out we need the working class to keep this economy running. We can't all be top G's. I appreciate the work you have put in to get where you are, now use that superpower to pop conservative bubbles. Congrats on your engagement, she is a fine lady.

[@bplayerr1]

Made up anecdotes, Kyle brongs real substance.

[@commandershepard9920]

@@nftreview What do you mean, not everyone be top G's? I thought everyone could have their own personal yacht. That would mean over 330 million yachts, but I don't see how that's unsustainable... can have 990 million mansions while we're at it.

[@VeVeVerse]

@@syncretictakeout2328 Lets get him in front of those people, I want to see who is right!

[@bbell2770]

This was like every conversation I have with conservatives. They spend most of the podcast talking about individual responsibilities and when you bring up the kid that drops out of high school because his parents died , now they don't want to talk about individual issues.

[@pitbull7440]

How many people who are broke had both parents die at 16? I'm on Kyle's side the majority of the time, but this example was kind of dumb. I'd stick to arguing that college costs a fortune, housing is astronomical, and you're one disaster away from not recovering if you don't have time to build a safety net.

[@throwthatassinaprayercircl2662]

@@pitbull7440 that's an exaggerated example of the fact that poverty is generational. It's a lot easier for individuals to do what it takes to stay out of poverty and thrive... when they didn't start in poverty. When you grew up in poverty and were socialized in surviving rather than thriving, had less access to quality education and so on, it's harder to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Republicans focus on the government creating a business friendly environment by actively doing things, but says when it comes to people the government should be hands off. They understand environmental effects on businesses and care about helping them out, but not citizens...

[@amsterdamcowboy9738]

@@pitbull7440 I think Kyle had the unfortunate predicament of talking about a real person and just followed up with that. But I could be wrong.

[@Dedbigfed]

Yeah. Every rebuttal has to start with some wacky hypothetical situation or thought experiment, too.

[@buckchile614]

Oh, they understand, BUT

[@tristamcdonald5867]

I just started watching this kid Kyle. He is so incredibly intelligent and quick witted and just full of actual facts. I am not as well read or well educated as Kyle but I am completely with you and for you.

[@12227UserName]

He ain't no kid. What the hell are you smoking. He's a sellout. Bought off by the Democrat party.

[@collins48lc]

Did you know Valdimer Lenin and Fidel Castro called themselves representive democrats How'd that work out for the people

[@lou.yorke.x]

Kyle is on fire, not gonna lie! Well done.

[@Sid00077]

It's nice of PBD to allow Kyle to upload the whole pod on his channel.

[@babosanders5223]

actually yea, super cool

[@Mindwave416]

whoa thought this was just highlys

[@rynothealbinoryno]

mutual advertising

[@user-ul3ki4to4l]

PBD was very kind to Kyle. He even described him as "well-read." Kyle's biggest fans wouldn't call him that. It might give him the boost he needed to start reading.

[@rynothealbinoryno]

@@user-ul3ki4to4l you mean that you yourself don’t know shit. Kyle knows a lot of political history which is why Patrick said that. get lost dimmy.

[@quadcom]

"companies that don't pay a living wage go out of business" My response, Walmart.

[@heinzbaron9129]

That's the tell. A ridiculous libertarian talking point that is disproven by easily observable facts. Monopolies are are not under the same rules as companies in a competitive market. Additionally, there is plenty of immigration into EU countries and Scandinavia. Further, the economic sanctions (and the drug war KK referenced) has made living in many of the countries in South and Central America extremely difficult.

[@jackjohnson5672]

@IncandescentCarbon FACTS 💯 fuck the cheap ass Waltons who bribed the government for tax breaks on poverty level wages for its regular employees while paying millions in ceo and upper management and reaping billion dollar profits price gouging American customers...

[@collins48lc]

And oh stupid one Then prices go up

[@SS-sf4lb]

Being a rich salesman is not contributing to society

[@IvaneJ]

Kyle being to the left of Packman somehow did so much better with PBD, kudos my man

[@Not4Sale37]

I think Kyle has a style of explanation that works better with these 2

[@doom2060]

I think the scariest thing is that they don’t understand being born poor takes away a lot of possibilities for people

[@joshuabarnes7552]

And their argument is simply work harder even if you're systematically at a disadvantage.

[@helene420]

They think poor in America is $50K. I mean. What? They don't get that poverty in America is even a reality, like "it's only if you live in 3rd world 'shit hole' country" they don't get that there are children in America who are hungry. Super out of touch w reality.

[@sweetipiecutie]

@@joshuabarnes7552don’t you know you just have to wake up at 5am everyday and read atomic habits in order to have a decent standard of living /s

[@annarboriter]

The focus is exclusively on choices and not on the available options to choose from

[@healer81]

Some of them are self made like the host so he doesn't have compassion for those with less mental fortitude and leadership skills which he innately has.

[@pablogfmovil]

I have a lot of respect for Kyle, his patience and crienge-tolerance is off the charts

[@loulfw2513]

He's OK. He's no Jimmy Dore or Lee Camp, but okay.

[@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV]

@@loulfw2513 kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6jWo2SGedWVaMk kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6i1dX-capmGmdU kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y4fXaIqehtahhq8 kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYaYhamNnM1seq8

[@heatheraldazabal358]

@@loulfw2513 Jimmy Dore sucks lol, and he is a creep.

[@raggedflaggon9566]

@@loulfw2513 Well Jimmy Dore is the gold standard that's why. The reason being he is less forgiving and less trusting because you have to be with these politicians. Kyle is pretty good though anyways.

[@vincehenriquez680]

LOL.... people I disagree with are "cringe". Good argument, Genius. You show why so many are intimidated by the extremely intelligent left

[@anthonypai6127]

"Middle eastern work ethic" hahahaha

[@leebrock4783]

PBD: "It's not hard to spend 300 million dollars". What world do you live in?

[@CrazyRightWingNut]

The deep flash of anger that came out when Kyle said that his hard-working friend might not have graduated from high school was very revealing. To feel comfortable immediately labeling the person of fuck up on that information alone I think reveals a lack of life experience. I don't know how old that other host is, but he presents himself as though he's very knowledgeable about life. To not understand that there are instances where people struggle in their childhood due to illness, abuse, disability, or whatever it might be I think goes a long way to explaining how you come to the rather simplistic cultural, social, moral framework that these two have presented throughout the discussion. I can understand not seeing the value in Collective action if you truly believed that there were no life impediments that could prevent someone from succeeding to their Highest Potential on their own. I would encourage both of these fellows to take that 50 pages of reading they say they do each day and focus it on understanding childhood a bit better.

[@zaccoop6727]

both of the PBD hosts ignore anything that happens in someone's life... what if they were a teen and get arrested because their parent is selling drugs out of a house, and they are in jail for the first 5 years of their life till 20... then they can't get an apartment, a good job, what are they going to get into finance like the two hosts? No... will they start a business? Maybe, but probably not... What if they get in a car accident while drunk, sued for their life savings and live paycheck to paycheck paying another person's medical bills? Thier whole thing is as though nothing bad happens in someone's life.

[@Jay-pd9kc]

PBD fans don’t like him either it’s okay

[@nas84payne]

He showed his ignorance in that conversation (the host that is 😀)

[@bernardsimsic9334]

I don't say this often but "Amen".

[@spencerr2413]

Yeah, that was incredibly flippant to label him a fuck up. And what was maybe even worse was the implication that children should have to pay for their parents mistakes. If that's truly how you want things to work, then you'll end up with families struggling in perpetuity until one or some combination of God, the government, or volunteering steps in to help. In any case, that mentality of punishing children seems woefully out of touch. If anything, his response should've been, "how can we ensure parents are responsible?"

[@thecrackedsky]

Love how these clown use anecdotes for everything, and Kyle comes in with facts.

[@PEN0311]

Anecdotes have their purpose. It makes high-level conversation more relatable for those that are not that well--read. PBD has a large audience for a reason.

[@thecrackedsky]

@@PEN0311 Anecdotes are supplementary to fact-based arguments. You can't win an argument with them being your main weapon in your arsenal. Too many anecdotes and you've unveiled how narrow your world-view is. PBD sells a product of grindset and American-Dreamism, which is a nice and shiny package, but 99% of his audience will never achieve his level of luck and success because his message is simply not obtainable for the vast majority of his audience. The dude is a clown, his political views are shallow and without substance, and he's just a corny talking head for the right.

[@nothanks9503]

The you gotta flip flam to bamboozle naw mean

[@jonathanbirch2022]

@@PEN0311 that's not a good thing...

[@seangriffin5524]

Great interview Kyle! The difference between your interview and David pakman’s shows why I enjoy your conversations so much. You don’t come off as a know it all (although you probably do know it all lol) and your opinions are well thought out and communicated without disparaging someone else’s opinions.

[@xmillion1704]

How fascinating. I've never thought about comparing Kyle and Pakman before reading your comment. I don't know that I would characterize either as coming off as a know-it-all, but they do both represent their viewpoints firmly, in a fashion evincing their true belief. Of the two, however, I find that Kyle is the more likely to use crude language and terminologies and otherwise express himself in ways that seem to embody a certain contempt towards that which he is pillorying, and I'm fine with that, the same as I welcome Mike Malloy's delivery style. Pakman, to me, comes off as a bit more polite, prim and proper in his delivery style, eschewing vulgarities, which, on its face, is definitionally less disparaging, and I'm fine with that, too.

[@seangriffin5524]

@@xmillion1704 I think Pakman, in my opinion, comes off as very snobby, pompous, and disingenuous. I feel like he’s polite in the same way a parent can scold a child politely when that parent thinks they should be teaching a child a lesson, if that makes sense. He’s the parent and whoever disagrees with him is just the child who is woefully wrong in his eyes. Some people may enjoy that, especially the people who fully agree with him, but you aren’t going to change any minds that way. Maybe he’s not interested in changing minds which is completely his choice, and I probably shouldn’t fault him for that. I just thought given both of them did interviews with the same podcast/interviewer one of them came off looking much better than the other. You can be assertive in you beliefs while still being able to understand someone else’s and I think Kyle does a much better job of being relatable and not seeming like a pompous liberal who thinks conservatives are just dumb hopeless people not worth the time given to understand why they think the way they do.

[@xmillion1704]

@@seangriffin5524 - I don't get that vibe from Pakman at all. I have yet to watch these characters' episode with Pakman, but Kyle definitely left unchecked some blatantly false assertions by these bozos where he should have provided some serious pushback challenging them. So lapse was he that he even seemed to feed into some of their bullsh*t occasionally.

[@seangriffin5524]

@@xmillion1704 and I would mostly disagree with that summary of Kyle’s interview here as well haha. But that’s okay! There is a wide variety of political commentators to select from and not everyone is going to relate to all of the same ones.

[@xmillion1704]

@@seangriffin5524 I think you may mean my summary of David's interview? Because I did a similar treatment of Kyle's interview as well. I am interested if you could debunk specific point(s) you believe I may have gotten wrong.

[@guycd1]

Been grinding for 11 years, reading or listening to books every single day at my job, watching educational KZbin vids every day. At what point does personal responsibility stop being enough and the system being stacked against the working class need to be addressed?

[@Taureg]

Are you sticking to your 20 pages? Cause you are not getting allowance this month

[@greenwhite5110]

Listening books at your job while not doing your job and then complaint about too much personal responsibility. Re-read your comments, it is full of idiosyncrasies not far behind trump crowd.

[@guycd1]

@greenwhite5110 How do you know I can't listen to books and do my job at the same time? I'm one of the best people at my job and I do it while listening to books instead of the radio or music. You just seem angry you aren't capable of doing the same.

[@GR-su3xc]

Are you going to the gym😂?

[@carjaune6793]

That's easy: never

[@torfinnjohnsrud793]

Kyle absolutely WRECKED this podcast! He brought all the best points to the forefront. Thank you, Kyle Edit: the host has an astounding focus on the rich and the consequences for the rich while Kyle wants to focus on the bottom 95%

[@davidbright6790]

Great point. The frame of reference is so important. "Oh poor Paris, losing most of her parents' wealth" Vs. "Paris gets $50mill for zero work"

[@davidbright6790]

@@danielsmith4715-d2k yay! A delusional libertarian! Quick call Sam Seder so he can destroy all your specious, ludicrous attempts at logic.

[@davidbright6790]

@@danielsmith4715-d2k 🤣🤣🤣 Yeah, and Georgia and Arizona are deep red and red states. Whaaaaaaaat? They vote purple? You mean some states change how they vote over time? STOP THE PRESSES! 🤣🤣🤣 What a stunningly obtuse argument 😝

[@burniejarvis9298]

@@danielsmith4715-d2k Okay everyone be patient with Alek he is a little slow.

[@mofishin2648]

Yes he did although it doesn't seem that hard, both of those guys are complete Bozos and the fact people like that have such a platform and viewership is mind boggling.

[@TuskTheRipper96]

These guys consistently have shitty takes, I’m proud of Kyle for not raging out at them.

[@JB-mh5xy]

PBD has such a romantic view of America. "Oh people leave assholes all the time. They won't survive." They do survive. High turnover rates doesn't mean a business will fail, which directly contradicts his "contribute to society" rule.

[@XDeathzors]

PBD: Anecdote, Anecdote, Anecdote Kyle: Facts and Statistics

[@NoMoreBsPlease]

*opinion and cherry picked stats, while blatantly ignoring other stats.

[@kennethguthrie180]

@@NoMoreBsPlease, lol, no.

[@stratecaster547]

@@NoMoreBsPlease what did Kyle ignore?

[@jamestownsassacre9211]

​@@NoMoreBsPlease Timestamp?

[@mackyoung1156]

@@NoMoreBsPleasename an example

[@rustyshackleford7923]

Great job on this Kyle. All they're doing is giving anecdotal scenarios, while you actually have the data to back up your arguments.

[@darkcountry7247]

Thought this same thing. It's all just analogy and it's really hard to sit through. I was glad to see Kyle not get sucked into it.

[@scotchula3676]

My favorite part was how, after about a half dozen anecdotal citations from the hosts referring to outlier individuals' (e.g. the spring braker who blew her stimulus check); Kyle brings up one singular anecdote about his friend working 2+ jobs because his parents died and he then the hosts are suddenly like, 'We'll we could all reference someone who has a sob story but we can't base everything off that....' What a joke. And the whole 'knowledge is money' analogy was equally ridiculous. Unlike money, knowledge is not a tangible resource; no one can take it away. Passing on knowledge is in NO WAY similar to passing on several BILLION dollars. I never heard of these guys; please tell me no one pays for their dubious 'wisdom'.

[@samsadowitz1724]

@Scotchula I'm afraid you know the answer...... there are many that eat the bs PBD spews up like a pig with leftovers.... His "black Friday Special" was telling his viewers/subscribers not to spend money on "a new tv" but instead to buy his book on business.... luckily a few saw through it

[@mofishin2648]

Yup and the one time Kyle gives his personal anecdote about a guy he knew who worked three jobs because his parents passed away and he had to take care of his siblings and was still poor and the host called it a sob story.. lol

[@samsadowitz1724]

@@mofishin2648 not only that, but they also did their best to paint Kyle's friend as a deadbeat that won't do anything.

[@sincereizhere]

So people should only be able to vote if they contribute to society. How would you even define that criteria. If I get laid off right before an election, do I still get the right to vote?

[@shareefpeoples5317]

Right its an odd statement. I wish Kyle went in on him about the right to own a gun or freedom of speech.

[@pogo8050]

Then conservatives should not be allowed to vote, since their states are literally propped up by blue states

[@sincereizhere]

PBD is an idiot, it’s like he has an idea but never carries it out to the implementation phases. To implement you would have to increase government administration which means you would have to increase government spending which I don’t think he would like.

[@keemg10]

It kills me when people say systemic racism ended 50 years ago like centuries of oppression has no long term effects. They also assume that the people who upheld those systems gave up their power and influence.

[@carlplz00001]

Mate, they live in a different reality, in a total different world, they are just pricks.

[@TheDivayenta]

Yup. Generational trauma isn’t a concept for these guys. And he’s ignorant about all the times Black people pulled themselves up only to have their whole neighborhood destroyed by jealous whites.

[@collins48lc]

System Racism is liberals Thomas Sowell

[@Jorman223]

The basic theme of this debate was: anecdotes vs. empirical data, statistics, and studies. Micro vs. macro…individual vs. collective. You can see where each side stands. Well done Kyle! Been following you since I graduated from college in 2014.

[@stonetemplepilot420]

Kids like chocolate, therefore Americans should starve to death. What else would I expect from Tate simps.

[@jasonau427]

Very much so. Kyle did it masterfully and was so calm and personable.

[@JakeC222]

It's always anecdotes with conservatives.

[@jasonau427]

@@JakeC222 100%

[@luisjalabert8366]

Also, "if your parents screw up, then you deserve less and even if it's your parents fault, it's your fault and you have to carry with the consequences and the burden of your parent's screw up". Pathetic.

[@bigtuna9279]

Basically the whole conversation was "Why talk about minimum wage when we can talk about maximum wage?" Kyle had infinite patience

[@tristamcdonald5867]

It’s absolutely incredible how well composed this young man is. He’s teaching me how to have conversations with conservatives that worship money. He’s half my age and I’m learning from him. I can’t understand why his wife is so smitten.

[@nothanks9503]

This guy is like if I’m your daddy 4-2=I’m not saying everyone should be a ceo but close to that

[@Gromkiii]

In reality trough all modern history, countries with biggest minimal wages are the most poor. Before you start, Scandinavia countries don't have minimal wages and they are not socialist.

[@josephmother2659]

@@Gromkiiiyou probably won’t find a lot of socialists watching Kyle and none of them would say those countries are. Unfortunately the USA is not most countries, it’s unique but not in a good way, just more complex. You can not deny that removing the minimum wage would allow companies to pay literal pennies to anyone they want, especially if they all worked together with the common goal of reducing wages.

[@Gromkiii]

@@josephmother2659 I'm from Easter EU and have relatives in USA, there is no country in the world where is easier create small business than in USA. So you don't need to work for anyone if you choose so. And if you don't get enough change employee who will value more your skill. Demanding bushiness how much they should pay you is a criminal act and always end in monopolistic way usually wipe out all competition in the market. Deference bee twin business owners and socialist slave owners is that businesses owners don't hold a gun to your head. But is hard to explain this to left leaning person, because they are useless to make money they only know how should be spend.

[@Medeski-Medieval]

The anecdotes and focus on individual responsibility is a classic move to take the attention away from the systems that need to be changed.

[@TheDivayenta]

Kyle- magnificent job here in educating. Wow. 😊

[@importantoldnews5414]

It’s wild because in Europe Kyle would be considered a centrist. In America he’s considered far left.

[@suzygirl1843]

Why do you people care? That's why The West is a joke, Left vs Right. Everyone else's country only distinguishes between religion and follow just 1 party

[@jacksonelmore6227]

Because Europe is subverted just ask Top G

[@marcomoreno6748]

@@jacksonelmore6227 I heard he's going by "bottom" g these days

[@jacksonelmore6227]

@@marcomoreno6748 cry

[@Gooner184]

@@jacksonelmore6227 The only person crying is you, your hero will spend years inside a Romanian prison cell.

[@afternoontiger9319]

“Did he graduate high school?” “No I don’t think so” “He didn’t even graduate high school? So kevin was a screw up?” “His parents died so he had to pay the bills to look after his siblings”

[@josevelazquez4879]

1. That’s not common, it’s more common for someone to drop out of high school for nefarious reasons rather than someone having bother their parents die and have to pay bills. Leftists love to talk about “anecdotal” evidence being non important?m, but Kyle based his entire argument off that. 2. It’s more common for people to actually graduate high school, if we looked at stats it’s way more than 50% , if it was below, then this idea of kids dropping out because their parents die would be an actually good argument to have.

[@afternoontiger9319]

@@josevelazquez4879 I guess you missed the part where BPD rambled on about personal anecdotes? Lol okay buddy

[@josevelazquez4879]

@@afternoontiger9319 my guy, you are literally proving my point. They both rambled off with anecdotal points. THEY BOTH DID IT. I’m not denying that, you are the one who thinks politics is a sports game and want to be on Kyles side soooo bad lol

[@bourne2crimson397]

@@josevelazquez4879 sincerely, Kyle used an anecdotal point... *Once.* Most other points, he used data, economics, statistics, empirical evidence, etcetera. The hosts, the leftmost of who is an avowed transphobe which I will gladly add, only ever used anecdotes and ridiculous analogies that mean absolutely nothing on a systemic level.

[@josevelazquez4879]

@@bourne2crimson397 bahhh for me sheep. You went from one shepherd to the next, you probably were an alt right guy, had a change of heart, wanted to impress some people and be popular so you started watching hasan. Like I said, your still a sheep, bahhhh for me.

[@bodypoliticmedia]

The restaurant analogy is so silly

[@ketimeleah1409]

😂👍💯

[@LuigiMordelAlaume]

1:11:40 "90% of our budget goes to Medicare/SS" Those are funded by people paying taxes - money collected by the people *specifically* for that purpose... It's not general income tax.

[@jquikshot]

I felt like the host genuinely thought that 1000/1000 people who work hard will make it and was surprised when Kyle said about 15% of them will succeed which is more based in reality imo. Such a naive perspective to think that 100% of people can just read more and make it in life without any help. Kyle did such an amazing job and he must have turned some heads in their audience. I hope so at least

[@bplayerr1]

I was flabergasted at that, I expected a lot more common sense from PBD on that one

[@miracleman8022]

@@bplayerr1if you work you will make it after 25 years 😢

[@mattfrost918]

THANK YOU, KYLE. Well done, sir. That must have been exhausting.

[@samsadowitz1724]

I had to take multiple breaks from watching this on the other channel because, while I used to like him, PBD is so insufferable in his views/arguments that I was seeing red (in more ways than one).

[@INXS1985]

“Why don’t you move there” I would’ve been done at that point. It’s this weird way of acknowledging that another country does in fact do something more effectively than in the US, and instead of just acknowledging that, they change the debate From “can the US improve” to “prove that you actually like the country” by suggesting you are more loyal to another country. It’s insane, it’s an insane way to think and I can’t stand adults doing that as a way to avoid acknowledging a truth they already know. This PBD guy feels like that 9 yr old that brags about how his dad could beat your dad up

[@samsadowitz1724]

@Andrew Cottingham I've been responding to that with "Will you personally pay for the visas AND moving costs of the millions who think the system is unfair? If not, then stfu and get used to us saying that until things change, " he is a major guru of the "hustle culture" who thinks you are not allowed to unwind and destress after working and must spend every waking hour of your life making money because you have to, not because you want to.

[@rameysavoie7442]

I love this version of Kyle in love. You crushed this my dude

[@Zippysniperpro]

55:00 “The first book I ever read cover to cover, I was 21” Based on the first half of this interview, I believe that😅

[@Zippysniperpro]

These goofy mfs out here after this 2 hour conversation saying full time workers shouldn’t have free time for a beer or watching a bit of TV. More toxic grindset bs

[@survivormary1126]

Points!

[@p1ounce]

LOL

[@DAN_ZEMAN]

@zippy: So many of the people in this comment section sound like really snarky, aloof, spoiled children Both sides had decent and valid points. If left and right can’t find common ground the whole thing is lost.

[@kushclarkkent6669]

@@survivormary1126 I miss @midnight so much 😞

[@HopeIsFleeting]

If everyone becomes a KZbinr, it doesn't matter how hard those people work, you need people to actually watch the videos so only a handful of those people will succeed. This guy is a perfect example of how capitalism is not based on meritocracy.

[@HopeIsFleeting]

@Roger McMillan Lol

[@fozzyozzy1030]

What a stupid strawman he's not pushing people to be youtubers or influencers he's a culture critic or political talking head. KZbin is the medium not his career

[@HopeIsFleeting]

@@fozzyozzy1030 He literally used that exact analogy. Didn't you watch the video?

[@sopheakko697]

Yeah same reason when you born attractive as your life would be much easier than if you’re ugly. I’m surprised no one brings it up in terms of privilege

[@ryanadams0922]

@user-pg4jw2qd3h Lol

[@fliptophiphop1894]

"What would ppl even do with 3 days off?" SEE AND RAISE THEIR FKN CHILDREN ❤

[@michaelsieger9133]

‘How would you sell this dream to a 22 year old kid?’ We’re not selling anybody a dream. We’re interested in the practical reforms necessary for constructing a functional and stable society in which every individual has the freedom to pursue their own dream.

[@justaguy6216]

Ah yes in a town where Amazon is the only employer people can "just leave".

[@thedawg1632]

They’ll still argue that it has nothing to do with capitalism and say that it’s corporatism fault lmao

[@justaguy6216]

@@thedawg1632 Then you turn around and say "Ok it's the corporation, let's to something about it", then they stutter and start making excuses for corporate corruption. Lololol

[@josephmother2659]

@@justaguy6216”well who are we to stop Jeff Bezos from owning America and everyone in it? Those hard working (20+ years ago) billionaires gotta put food on the table too!”

[@justaguy6216]

@@josephmother2659 Poor billionaires, whatever shall they do?

[@charliebrown4697]

Kyle says he doesn’t like to debate because he “feels” like he’s not a good debater. This podcast proves that you don’t have to be a good debater he was respectful and came with facts. Solid facts at that and he owned it. 👍👏

[@lordgohan5907]

The problem is these people think the minimum people are making is $50k a year. No. People are making $25-$30k a year and only make $50k with 2 salaries in the household.

[@sevensages5279]

And 95% of the life insurance salespeople working at Pat's sleazy MLM make less than a minimum wage worker making $7.25hr!

[@TurtleMarathon]

Working out, eating clean, doing cardio and having 1 cheat meal a month, if adhered to is a closed system that is thermodynamically impossible to not succeed. It’s a literal law of nature. Comparing that to someone doing everything right on KZbin within a niche depends on an open ended system that is constantly changing- the attention span economy, a constantly shifting algorithm, the adpocalypse…. What the fuck are these obnoxious metaphors? This dude is obnoxious and Kyle is a fucking class act intentionally interpreting him as charitably as possible. I can’t decide if I’m dumber for having listened to the interviewer or socially and tactfully smarter by listening to Kyle’s responses.

[@bigdog44pc]

Does anybody remember when Bernie Sanders went on Fox News, for the first time, and everyone was saying it was a bad idea, but reality it turned out to be a great success. If not the first Bernie Sanders was one of the very first and a very long time to go on a show that did not agree with him in front of a crowd of people and came out smelling like roses.

[@mikek9297]

No wonder. When you put a reasonable person in the feedback loop it creates a contrast that shows just how deranged, loopy and dumb people inside it hav gotten. It was true for FoxNews and it is true here. Kyle saying just common sense stuff makes those two guys look high on their own farts.

[@samsadowitz1724]

I will always be in favor of a lefty going into the lion's den of conservative media as long as they know and come prepared for hostile territory when making counter arguments to the conservative audience. You win over "gettable" people by appealing to the audience in question.

[@KingDayDayDay00]

Same with Bernie on the JRE podcast. People were saying they actually agree with a lot but their views of him were negative because the media painted him as "crazy bernie"

[@kreskinkun]

Yeah, I think Fox has always had some liberal politicians who've gone on for short segments, but Bernie did a full blown Fox News town hall event, and the crowd was cheering progressive policies.

[@spellman007]

Who cares what he “smelt like he is a total loser who gave all your donations to his “good friend” joe! He played you.

[@fenoglios]

Fantastic job, Kyle. I'm not sure I've ever seen somebody debate with such an abundance of respect, logical rigor, and winsomeness all at the same time. All debates should be like that. Hats off to you.

[@loulfw2513]

BJG does better but she is far too nice to assholes and conservatives and liars.

[@zalodelsolar3366]

Fantastic job PBD

[@alec6092]

Not sure why there’s so much hostility in the comment section. This was a really cool conversation between people with varying experiences and perspectives. I hope Kyle goes back on and brings it again and again

[@JustinR941]

Wanting to change or improve America doesn't mean you think America is terrible . The question "If America is so bad why do so many immigrants want to come here" can be answered with the question "if Disney world is so great why are they constantly building new rides and attractions." Something can be good yet improvable. Something can be the best and improvable.

[@Lifen1]

Also you could give that answer (if xxx so great why dont you move there) to every singel policies like if you whant a wall why dont you move to china, if you like lower taxes move to fkn luxembourg. Such a childish answer..

[@mrhanekoma86]

Kyle has the patience of a saint.

[@Terrier957]

Most of this convo: Kyle: I don’t think people should die because they’re poor PBD: I don’t agree, because have you ever ordered iced tea from your favorite waiter?

[@jasonau427]

LMAAAAAOOOOO exactly

[@jaefrmbk2k]

😄

[@Adriodyn]

-All of my thoughts are concrete and drawn from my own life instead of knowing anything-

[@TheDivayenta]

He sure loves the sound of his own voice, doesn’t he?

[@UndertheNeedle282]

the accuracy 😂😂😂😂

[@NMandarina]

I was born in Slovenia, it’s ex Yugoslavian country thats been independent since 1991, and fully joined EU in 2003. We were part of Socialist regime before and very fast adopted western capitalism. On paper everything was state owned before but in practice workers were the real owners of every factory, of every business. Salary gap between a CEO of a company and a cleaner in the company were not as crazy as today. One example is (and I’m talking this from my own experiences, from being a kid and teenager growing up in that regime) My father was a electrician for a big curtain factory and my mother was a sales person in a grocery store. At the end of the year, when the business made more money then expected both of my parents received part of that money and every summer we went on a one month vacation in Croatia where accommodation was 100% payed by the company. These summer houses were owned by government/workers so they got to use them. My childhood memories were beautiful with my parents not being overworked as they became after. These vacations were modest, no 5 starts hotels and so, its Croatian places that are now being rented for 200€ per night. Something that now 90% of the Slovenian, Croatian families simply can never afford. With Slovenia becoming independent and my parents being very motivated to create something of their own. They started their own business in 90s with the money that was quite easy to save during Socialistic times. They started with opening one “Car parts store” and eventually added 4 more over the years. We were financially doing very well, i guess you could say we were rich. My parents were extremely hard working and smart with money. They build their own house, out if the city and even bought 2 big apartments that would supposed to be for me and my brother. So looking from outside everything was great, but the quality of life went extremely downhill, my parents were overworked, those one month vacations were gone, simply because there was no time for that, if we could squeeze 6 days per year it was already a lot. With parents being overworked, health problems occurred (thankfully we didn’t adopted western healthcare practices, even now going to doctor is practically for free) My parents were stressed, working 6 days per week, my 7 years younger brother had the luxury of getting a lot of material things and opportunities that i hasn’t ( he started a lot of hobbies that he never followed trough) but he missed on having happy parents that had time for him, like for instance I had. Even though he had much more things I definitely consider myself as a lucky one. Fast forward to today. Due to globalisation and foreign corporations majoring of Slovenian businesses went bankrupt or were simply bought up by businesses from richer countries. Small country with less than 2 million of population on the border of Europe union simply cannot compete with richer, bigger, more established countries of EU. One of the biggest problems national problems based in my opinion is housing crisis. Prices are the same as for instance in Germany, where I live now for 6 years. Except that the average salary is 800€ net while in Germany is 2300€ net. Even with very poor calculation skills you can determine that anyone owning and paying of an apartment in their lifetime in Slovenia is practically impossible. This is my explanation of Socialism based on the experiences I collected while growing up in a very interested era, the conversion from Socialism to what I call “the disease that will end humanity - mother and father of Evil - Capitalism”

[@collins48lc]

Lie much

[@brianmccullough4578]

I think this was a class act all the way around. We need more of this

[@rmtfm]

1:50:20 "So Kevin was a screw up!" 1:50:32 "I feel horribly for Kevin"; this shit's got to be the biggest 180 in less than a minute. Great example of the results of surface level commentary/analysis. If this guy asked "well, *why* did this kid drop out of college" rather than accept the level of analysis he's done and pre-judge this guy, maybe he wouldn't have to backtrack in such an enormous fashion like this.

[@nas84payne]

Showed his ignorance and lack of empathy.

[@SixHundredAndSixtySix]

Bro this is the most telling point in the conversation. You realize that he just wants to paint all hard-working people as screw ups.

[@CodeNameEN]

Kyle is SO much better at debates and long form interviews than 3+ years ago. Very good work

[@BillClay88]

Not as passionate as Jimmy dore.

[@jurgengosch3915]

@@BillClay88 Jimmy Dore is a steaming turd.

[@Takobella]

@@BillClay88 he makes better points though

[@ladowd7059]

But but where's the "dicky mcgeezaks"

[@jontraz5993]

@@ladowd7059 its for us, the real ones

[@LuisZunigaPRI]

Kyle has all the words that I wish came to me sometimes. He truly knocked it out of the park here

[@joe45.]

Patrick just said he is a scam guy 59:48😂😂😂😂😂 Coffeezilla where are you??

[@willo1655]

It's truly amazing how people can just boil down the complexity of life, social systems and government policy to individual behavior. It's almost like they don't realize that these things are intertwined and influence each other. They talk in ridiculous dichotomies as if there are no other scenarios or possibilities. Kyle was really patient and I guess he was able to ztay composed and on point because he was talking more to the audience than the guys on the Podcast either way new found respect for Kyle. But these guys like wow

[@norwoodsstokes3883]

Yet they know this corrupt system is too big of an endeavor to change, yet becoming a millionaire...is utterly attainable...🌝

[@Orchaisama]

@Will O and I would say while life is complicated it is also quite simple at the same time. The reason there is so much focus on the individual is because that's where 90% of the control is. The person makes the decision on what he does with the resources he has and how he goes about attaining the resources he doesn't have. When you start focusing on trying to fix the world's problems you start getting into trouble. You can't force people to be good workers and you can't force people to be good people. That's the problem I see from people who advocate for leftist solutions. You want to help the world not realizing you're crippling the ones you're helping and crippling the ones you're forcing to help

[@willo1655]

@@Orchaisama spoken like someone who thinks "because I did something then everyone should be able to do the same thing as well" . The thing that people like you don't understand is it's not about equality of outcome it's about equality of opportunity. When you have equality of opportunity it's then down to the individual to make the most of that opportunity. If you're born rich or poor in America you should have access to decent education, you should be able to go to college or trade school to learn skills, you should be able to take time off if you're sick and not worry going bankrupt from medical bills. Equality of opportunity. Does this mean everyone should afford a Ferrari no that's a strawman. It means the system should not be a hindrance it should be an enabler. Today for a lot of people the system is a hindrance and they're left with bad choices. when they do make those bad choices people like you who by the benefit of their personal situation are not put in a condition where you have limited choices want to judge. Walk a mile in the shoes of the people you're judging and see if you'd fare any better than they are. But it's easy to talk.

[@willo1655]

@@norwoodsstokes3883 depends on your situation doesn't it

[@norwoodsstokes3883]

@@willo1655 i'm in total agreement

[@spencerjames9417]

These guys and their audience are literally the 1%’s secret army

[@JB-mh5xy]

When people say "Some slaves were happy being slaves", I'm forced to believe these are the people they're talking about because I can't fathom them actually thinking black people in chattel slavery were ever happy. "I'm happy living under the bootheel of my rich overlords. They give me a few more crumbs than the other guy, and that gives me a sense of superiority over him." That's what the pure capitalist's tagline is.

[@Casn521]

Their useful idiots

[@Andrew-pv8oz]

Feels more like a bunch of guito car salesman that slimed their way into a position of authority

[@akimbah]

Kyle is amazing he totally debunks everything they said and in a clear,accurate,informative and intelligent way.

[@xmillion1704]

Admittedly, I have the luxury of being an armchair critic, but there were a handful of opportunities to call out these idiots' sh*t that Kyle left unanswered.

[@CommunityServesUs]

You can transparently see PBD trying to sell Kyle on himself. Boosting his character and integrity to ingratiate him to his point.

[@ERNSTmusik]

The phrase "earn the right" is an oxymoron.

[@heliomachit5651]

Good observation, I didn't catch that.

[@jeremyclarksonfragrance]

(Many) Americans seem to have an obsession with hustle culture. It's uniquely American and as an Australian, I find it very weird. In our country, you work hard all week, earn a living wage and it is *EXPECTED* that weekends are for leisure and enjoying yourself.

[@samsadowitz1724]

@Jeremy Clarkson Fragrance it used to be that way here once upon a time..... then times kept getting harder and in the pursuit of trying to stay afloat grew "hustle culture" to get the things you want/need. American society has regressed 100 years at least

[@zimmhone]

At the end the host is like “It’s so fantastic that we are incapable of having a sub surface level conversation about any of the topics we bring up beyond rhetoric or personal anecdotes… and you didn’t get frustrated. That makes you a great person and you are welcome back anytime.”

[@gibberoo]

Yeah I thought it got pretty frustrating at times, especially when Kyle was bringing so much to the table in terms of substance. It's cool that he got a little bit more assertive towards the end tho

[@scottog4783]

That was an excellent discussion. Worth the watch

[@ctullery6857]

Does anybody like these elementary school level analogies

[@francobenevento7598]

You would think after losing so many debates that PBD would learn how to argue a point without projecting, deflecting, strawmaning the argument, or constantly changing the topic.

[@ColinDMcIntosh]

I really enjoyed the respectful back-and-forth and genuine listening to one another before responding. That being said, I also can’t help but notice how the conversation sort of goes: Kyle: “philosophical / logical / real-world point” PBD: “personal anecdote” Kyle: “policy suggestion / economic point” PBD: “simple analogy / axiom” It’s super interesting. I’ve noticed this with my left and right friends (including myself). You’re sort of talking past each other, but not intentionally. Both people feel as though they are communicating with each other, but personal anecdotes mean very little to the left, and in-depth ideology means very little to the right. Both sides would also disagree with that - lefties pride themselves on their empathy for others, and righties believe their policy is bulletproof - but you can really see the difference in communication style on display here.

[@mikek9297]

These guys have such narrow tunnel vision of a mid-level corporate manager, they actually think one could run a country like US in the same way one runs a hotdog stand or a party planning business. The notion of having the public sign off on a specific tax collection for every item of expendature would add so much redundant cost we'd run of numbers to calculate it. And healthcare is not a for-profit industry you stupid dicksmokin donkeyhole !! Ekhem... sorry. Got a little agitated there.

[@samsadowitz1724]

That's a great summary of what happened here.

[@Cameron_David_]

They just dream up imaginary scenarios that support their biased point of view with the end result being watch my youtube show.

[@kamikarmy]

I think it's a good point but then, ironically, it's also an anecdotally based evidence in itself (that I experienced as well).

[@nas84payne]

The right have a very insular mentality and lack of empathy.

[@blackmacmiller5653]

Three things I screamed at my phone while watching this 1. Personal responsibility does not fix systemic issues. 2. The government shouldn’t be run like a business. 3. People are more than their “market value”. I would have just kept saying this over and over again by the halfway mark.

[@MrVegeta0311]

Yeah I love how they acknowledge that the system needs work but their answer to every issue is personal responsibility.

[@nothanks9503]

Me: I just want to be able to live or maybe have some income

[@TheDivayenta]

Thanks for sparing me.

[@kjhuang]

The idea that someone deserves to starve because they're not reading enough books during work breaks to raise their "market value", like they're some kind of cow about to go on auction, is disgusting.

[@TyroneBiggums789]

@@MrVegeta0311facts

[@coffeejabberwocky]

I like this podcast. I'm centre left here in the UK. Having the other voice in the room is how we have advanced as a species. Respect 😎

[@kylehammond8345]

Sharing wisdom with your children or educating them does not automatically mean they will be successful. Not the same as handing them cold hard cash when you pass.

[@kevinmahoney1995]

Kyle I think you did about as good a job as one can do at bridging this gap.