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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@epikutz]

JRE powered me through years of hard, heavy work in the heat and freezing cold. Reminded me I'm a beast and motivated me. Now he's just another human fucking thumb of a boss telling me to work harder for money I don't get.

[@burningmisery]

Another rich elitist telling people to work harder & stfu.

[@TheWoundedNarcissistProject]

sad what wealth accrual does to the mind, even with those who come across as relatively down to earth and relatable even so, it would be wise of leftists to treat him as an ally in order to coax him into better positions (on certain issues) due to his influence factor. IMO there are indicators to suggest he remains a decent person at his core.

[@heathercurry898]

I let my office job eat me alive for 3 years. I jumped as high as they demanded. Then one day I just crashed - complete burnout and depression. Tried to take 3 days off, was told no, had to just quit. Best thing I ever did was give up.

[@Bickle121]

I used to work above and beyond, worked my bollox off because I didn’t wanna be “weak” never took days off when I was ill, mourning etc and then I remember seeing other people getting treated like shit and I just kind of realised that it’s truly not worth it. I usually hate those stupid quotes but this one has always stuck with me. “Don’t work yourself to death for someone who if you died would replace you within hours”

[@mjohnson1741]

I got laid off and and have not had a job in 2yrs and it's the best thing that ever happened to me. It literally save me and my mental health, corporate America was literally slowly killing me.

[@Bickle121]

@@mjohnson1741 it’s just millionaires complaining about workers fighting back in a tiny way. Pay better wages, simple

[@nathanmiller3891]

In the long run your physical and mental well-being is far more important than destroying your body all in the name of being a cog in the wheel of some corporate machine to churn out profits just to be tossed aside at an unknowing whim from some ceo.

[@davidmarshall7752]

Here's the thing *:* Joe Rogan is not a very bright guy, but a whole lotta people think he is.

[@nathanmiller3891]

Yup thats the heart of the matter.

[@oscarlavista7677]

His expertise stems from watching people eat bugs.

[@prismatica8416]

I'm a cart pusher for Walmart in Arizona. I'd love to see Joe getting up for his 4th shift in a row 9 hours In 100+ degree weather with only 3 breaks, 2 of which only being 15 minutes.

[@jarrettlowery2802]

Yeah I used to be a walmart cart pusher in Mississippi and it gets really hot especially with asphalt reflecting back on you. I'm a solar worker now and it's a lot better if you don't mind traveling

[@ars1602]

Fellow Arizonian, stay strong my friend it's hard finding a good job here. You've got this, just keep your eyes peeled for that better opportunity. I'm always looking for a better place. Tired of working for these Corps and companies that don't give a shit about you.

[@robertbayless1824]

Bet you can have my job. Come to So Flo, step into the 100 degree 97% humidity and do some landscaping or pressure clean an office building, youll have so much more fun.

[@Doople]

That's rough work

[@pHAMBURGLARq]

That really sounds like a you problem. Just because someone does a different job than you do, does not mean they do not work hard.

[@CYeoung]

*Is Kyle FINALLY giving the faintest critique of his buddy Rogan??*

[@fflanigan]

Very Very Very faint. Still kissing his ass.

[@jhm1069955]

Unfortunately NO...somehow Kyle (low-key) managed to levy Dave's video to defend Rogan...when he states "to be fair to Joe," it's obvious that criticizing J.R. is detrimental to his career.....kudos to Double D for keeping it real!

[@deepinmind83]

@@jhm1069955 I don’t know if you watch this show a lot, but Kyle says that about a lot of people. It’s called self reflection. I WANT to say that republicans are 100% evil and do nothing good ever, because I see a lot of that coming from them. But I am able to self reflect on my bias and research against my intuition to prove my theory right OR WRONG. The scientific method works in your own philosophical arguments too. I am no fan of Joe Rogan particularly, or agree with Kyle, Krystal or Saagar 100% of the time, but I try to always step back to make sure I am being completely fair instead of giving into my biases and steering the narrative towards my own desires.

[@jhm1069955]

@@deepinmind83 I haven't kept up on Kyle lately and Im a fan of Rogan the podcaster. But even after taking more than a few steps back and really thinking about it with no bias its clear as day to me that many of Joe's acquaintances (i.e. Kyle) & friends like B. Schwab dare not to criticize him directly instead they find a way to defend him and often display some self-restraint from speaking out on issues they oppose , perhaps they do this to stay off Joe's shit list and get invited back or get a favorable acknowledgment from him. I do remember when David Pakman was last on, he seemed to call out Joe, questioning him on issues that Dave didn't agree with, and to me, Joe seemed 'butt-hurt' and maybe that's why Pakman hasn't been on the show again

[@deepinmind83]

@@jhm1069955 I can get behind that. I have seen joe react poorly to criticism and personal jokes on podcasts like Kill Tony and in interviews. I don’t KNOW that objectively, but I could see it being a possibility. I am simply pointing out that Kyle doesn’t just say that about Joe. He makes a practice of saying that all the time about other people who I don’t think he has a fear of losing credibility with. He is trying to be as consistent as possible, and it actually makes me give him quite a few more “respect points” in my mind. I don’t agree with Kyle on quite a few things, but I greatly respect that he concedes and gives caveats where due. I’m just saying that the idea that he DEFINITELY is saying “to be fair to joe” because he is afraid of him is weak correlation not definitive causation.

[@colecaine.1]

Kyle… you don’t even have to go to your subreddit to find criticism of yourself. Read the KZbin comments lol. It’s not like we’re trying to go rogue on you or something; in fact a lot of people have solid constructive criticism and ideas to further your KZbin growth.

[@Sandler23]

"Go Rogan" you mean!?

[@KashBeck]

The JRE subreddit has been shitting on Joe for quite a while now

[@dustinsindledecker154]

Just like I have been shitting on him for years now.

[@malcolmxpanther]

The sub post 20 times a day

[@Bickle121]

It’s because he’s massively full of shit these days

[@TavaraTheLaughingLion]

Like it matters, no one takes Redditors serious.

[@X3MAntics]

Mostly bots and all sorts of reddit gremlins who hate follow him. This notion that "his own fans is turning against him" is so ridiculous. The majority of JRE fans have lives lmao.

[@ricomajestic]

Kyle is so afraid to criticize Rogan that he doesn't even show Rogan's video and uses David Doel's critical video instead!

[@ED-lt1vc]

Kyle does this all the time unfortunately. Whenever a scandal about Joe Rogan happens, Kyle dutifully prepares a apologist video, explaining how Joe’s words are taken out of context and what a great progressive he actually is. It happens every single time! By doing so, I guess he is trying to win over the Rogan fans to subscribe to his channel. I suppose he also believes that if he doesn’t kiss Rogan’s ass, some of his followers, who also happens to be fan of Rogan’s leave. It is just pathetic…

[@gamerfortitude5916]

Kyle if you’re really concerned about your subscriber decline, you need to check your own subreddit. A lot of the criticism on there is truly constructive and coming from people who want your channel to start growing again.

[@onetwo8847]

This! So many other lefty content creators are getting great channel growth. Kyle can't keep hiding behind "the algorithm" forever. It's become a crutch for him. There are SO many ways he could improve his content

[@KgEclispe252]

@@onetwo8847 There's a reason its been like that for his constant repetitiveness and sniffling Rogan's hair people are tired of it

[@mistressabysstress]

@@onetwo8847 I unsubscribed a while back and only watch a vid now and again. I watch the humanist report and rational national. I got tired of Kyle burying his head in the sand with Rogan and Dore. Especially Dore who has gone full grift. Also he won’t seem to recognize or reflect anything his community is trying to communicate to him and will just say “oh I don’t look at that”. I just lost interest combined with disagreements I have with him on some things. He bought into the right wing talking point of how “woke is bad” just like Rogan did. All it means is “I’m awake, not asleep, and aware of what’s going on around me”. That’s all it’s ever meant. The right turned it into a bad buzz word, like they do with any word/slogan they think the left can use to rally around, and he bought it. Things like this we have tried to tell him but like he said he doesn’t listen.

[@streetteamtony2672]

Perhaps they should start holding the Democratic leadership failures accountable instead of running interference to their critics. Imagine that, they should take notes about why jimmy Dore's channel is so successful & just about every other independent left outlet that's become critical of their leadership. Look at Breaking Points, same thing. Frustration from their own parties leadership.

[@interdimensionalsteve8172]

I've stopped watching Kyle regularly largely due to the lack of growth in his arguments, so I get you, I hope he decides to start paying attention to his viewers. Hire somebody to filter it for him, easy enough. While I think he's good as a "gateway" to progressive politics due to his incessant repetitiveness, this can be pointless to watch after a while. I believe he's losing older viewers (I watched him daily for a few years) and not gaining enough new ones due to the algorithm AND the fact the country is dividing more and more into different factions/echo chambers.

[@TribeByNoire]

Kyle hasn't figured it out yet that Joe doesn't have any of his own beliefs, opinions, or principles. He just mirrors and copies the opinions of whoever is sitting across the table from him. He's a deeply unserious person.

[@screamityeah]

The effects of microdosing on Ivermectin

[@JustAnotherNamelessGuy]

*LEGAL WEED*

[@lauraweaver1019]

100% agree except the worst part is Rogan doesn't know it and believes he is serious. 🤦

[@Zelorp]

ME WANT WEED

[@bob-1980]

Dude I’ve literally been saying that for years now if you watch any of his episodes on his podcast with regards to who he has on the chances of him ever disagreeing with that person he has a guest I want to say is down to at least less than 10%. The two biggest cases within the last year or so that I’ve seen him do it with other people who just happen to disagree with him on stuff like Covid which is a more serious issue regarding left-leaning circles. Gupta and then that one other guy cool pushed back on him with myocarditis. I want to say the only time in the last 5 years that I’ve seen Rogan fully disagree with somebody who is on the right leaning side of things with Candace Owens and then to some extent Dave Rubin. But also keep in mind he probably has 10 times more right leaning a conservative leaning people on his podcast than any one moderate or left-leaning person. There is definitely clearly a bias.

[@1bitguy]

Every time Kyle makes a video about his best buddy Joe Rogain. I rolled my eyes.

[@devourerinthemist]

literally his bitch running defense, c'mon kyle, have some fucking principles!

[@lnkrishnan]

Honestly, getting EXTREMELY fking annoying, Kyle running defense for charlatans like Rogan, Jummy Dore, Saagar etc.

[@thomasdendtler4077]

Gotta love how far Kyles reaching to defend Rogan..

[@jojomakes]

Always. It's pure cringe at this point for me to be honest.

[@marcevan1141]

It's so predictable at this point-and so embarrassing.

[@kekwayblaze3176]

"Joe's a friend of mine". Funny how Kyle called Bernie Sanders a cuck for saying that about Joe Biden, then Kyle turns around and does the same thing with Joe Rogan.

[@mightyturnip5070]

Maybe because Kyle is someone who is trying to promote leftist and progressive views and making the biggest podcaster in the world seem like he is your enemy is not good for promoting your views. And then the progressives complain about why the right is making massive strives in gaining support. And people do the shocked pikachu face when Bill Maher calls out the left for shooting itself in the foot.

[@matthewmaguire71]

I like them both but it is hilarious how much simping Kyle does for Rogan these days. Can Kyle go a week without making a video about Rogan? 😂 I've yet to see it

[@midwestmonster311]

And on cue Kyle defending Rogan. Predictable.

[@zziicckk01]

💯 Predictable, mate. It’s embarrassing now.

[@goendepier]

And on cue Kyle defending one of the most thoughtful and fair Americans with significant reach. Predictable.

[@flashthompson6566]

@@goendepier "most thoughtful..." Dude has literally based his entire worldview on Facebook memes, even going so far as believing that Australia banned growing your own food, because he saw it on a meme...

[@louie3216]

@@goendepier cope

[@ralfphelps8365]

@@goendepier thoughtful? Haha

[@nickarnold1622]

I think the roe v wade thing he was talking about was just an example of how a lot of privileged white collar workers exaggerate their mental health problems and put too much focus on it

[@DennisMoore664]

I'd rather let the person with mental health problems stay home and not have to take care of them _and_ the customers since someone who is having a bad day probably isn't going to be a lot of help. They might even end up hurting the business or the customers.

[@AL14]

Sounds like you’ve never ran a fast food shift

[@DennisMoore664]

@@AL14 I've had several jobs like fast food jobs where not having someone working does suck for everyone else. But a good manager always makes sure to have at least one or two people on call in case they have someone call in sick for any reason. And having someone working with a bad attitude who really doesn't want to be there, especially when you're slammed, sucks too.

[@omarkbiri3717]

I do this for my workers and I get back more from them every single time. Focus on their well being and they’ll do vice versa.

[@itsallagame7354]

I’m not American and have a hard time understanding Rogan’s popularity. What’s so special about him? He’s not super intelligent or super talented or super knowledgeable. So why would anyone care about what he has to say?! It’s a uniquely American thing because of the anti-intellectual tendency in American society and the anything goes mentality.

[@christopherhorn1161]

Same, I never understood the appeal

[@unreasonablyagreeable1081]

he's relatable and makes the baby brained libertarian feel like they could be the next joe rogan so they simp and hold water for a dude who held completely different positions prior to his Spotify deal.. where as i personally never believed his positions prior to the spotify deal. the moment you bring on Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, and Milo Yanniopolopdolis(sp?)!?!?!?!. He was seen as the part of the IDW...Joe Brogan was problematic from the start.

[@ninjaturtles12121]

American cis het men* is the key word here. Also maybe mostly white won't be surprised

[@DeanStrickson]

There are a lot of profoundly stupid people here. Edit - I meant in this country, not this comment thread. I’m American. See what I mean about profoundly stupid?

[@itsallagame7354]

So the key is just to find oneself a niche of same minded, mentally challenged bros like he did and you’re set for life? No need for intelligence or talent or real facts?!

[@NotFadeAway522]

I'm a high school math teacher and I like being in the classroom. I like seeing my students every day and making sure that the classes and learning is going as well as possible. However, I've worked meaningless jobs before where being at work meant literally nothing to me. I worked for over a year and a half in a factory with zero sick days, zero paid holidays, and no chance for moving up. I totally get that some people reach a point where they just can't do it anymore.

[@clarel4584]

Amazing insight, Kyle. We work so damn much in this country. Absolutely true. Frankly, 15 days of PTO is not enough.

[@lancecook7225]

Been pushing through at the hospital due to short staffing. 48 consecutive days of 12hours shifts going strong. The community needs me and I am there. 👍

[@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs]

The Secular Talk subreddit literally posts exclusively about how awful Kyle is so he is right on the mark on that one lol

[@mykotron]

but Joe Rogan likely gave Kyle advice not to read the comments. Not elitist at all.

[@xq8152]

It's hilarious how Kyle keeps saying he doesn't know if this is a thing on Reddit yet sees 80% of sub reddits dunk on the host. He knows. 😂

[@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs]

@@xq8152 yeah I mean there's no way he hasn't looked at it. He probably went there, saw 90% negative posts about him and logged off permanently lol. I would do the same most likely. In a way I actually appreciate how Kyle doesn't allow his audience to dictate his positions. I think Kyle was pretty much right on the money with regard to Ukraine for example yet they shit on him constantly for not being more bloodthirsty against Russia. But I really do think diplomacy and non-intervention is the correct position.

[@nic1208]

My gf manages a restaurant and she there people are constantly trying to take "mental health" days off and it is always the same people and they're clearly abusing it. I don't think his views have changed or he's out of touch. There's a difference between people taking a real mental health day and people taking advantage.

[@DavidHeffron78]

Joe Rogan is lying. He's not left wing. He's a conservative who likes smoking weed.

[@funpheonix9752]

Ugh, I remember when my mom had open heart surgery shortly after she got diagnosed with heart failure, and she used up all of her “sick days” and “vacation days”. Ugh, BS. She was recovering from a major life-saving surgery and before that, she was dealing with congestive heart failure and she couldn’t go to work because she had so much fluid build up and she got out of breath way too fast for her to realistically do her job.

[@profoundclarity8497]

I'm with David...rogan used to be a loud voice for the disenfranchised and then he moved to Texas and stopped working weed and embraced his republican buddies and now he is just like all the others.

[@burningmisery]

He lived long enough to see himself become a villain.

[@DrTurdsley]

Joe's subreddit has never really been on his side, or at the very least it hasn't totally been on his side for the last 5-6 years.

[@OggyisCool]

Stop brown nosing Joe, dawg. I know you feel like constantly defending him will get you invited back on his show and that's just spineless.

[@torch378]

I'm on a 2 month pat. leave right now for my first child and my wife had a C section. She is so thankful that I am at home now to help out. I'd recommend anyone to take the time off to help out your family, it is worth it.

[@gregoryabbot420]

People ARE overworked, underpaid and are oftentimes on top of that treated awful by management. Mainly because lower management is just as overworked, just as underpaid and treated just as awful by upper management. Unregulated capitalism takes no time at all to turn ugly and evil.

[@VIPMVPanyquestions]

Here we go, another 30 minute video on Joe Rogan just to say "well to be fair to joe...." Yeah, no thanks.

[@itsgingervitis69]

As a RN I do somewhat agree with Joe to some extent on the 1st video. It's always a case by case basis. That said, the amount of agency Staff (not permanent employees on pay roll) and pay roll employees who regularly call off, show up and complain the whole time then leave early. Or the most common one is showing up, seeing the patients they will have to care for and say if they aren't given different patients they are just going to go back home because of the stress. Fucking over the rest of the workers and the patients. Making everyone else more stressed consistently so that one person can have an easier day. I know these are specific examples and part of a much bigger problem. It is aggrevating how many people take advantage of "mental health" days for people who actually need it.

[@robert9ish]

The reason Kyle doesn't read comments or subreddits etc. is because he's actually an insular coward. If you know that, you know everything you need to know about him.

[@druidictroy1157]

I've never liked or respected Joe Rogan at all, ever. Yet he finds a way to make me actually hate him more and more daily.

[@truthteller2711]

Why lol

[@tatesimbanegavi8227]

In New Zealand, you aren't entitled to 'Stress/Mental health leave' but you are entitled to 10 sick days a year. You can just claim a sick day and legally they're not allowed to ask you what you're sick with (but they can ask you for a doctors notes after 3 consecutive days AND the your employer has to pay for it). Every time I listen to American employment law I'm mindblown, in a bad way.

[@garym6338]

In Australia, the employer doesn’t have to pay for you get a medical certificate and the requirement here is usually for the employee to provide one after 2 days, not 3. Still, I agree with you US employment law is mindblowing. Workers have no rights and their whole “at will” employment is total bullshit.

[@PFB1994]

This is a total "get to work peasants" attitude. Joe wouldn't tell Dave Chapelle,"you have a show you are paid to do, what's this trip to Africa nonsense".

[@Kit-se3zs]

It's easy for anyone who doesn't have to fear an unwanted pregnancy to sneer at a worker who says they need a mental health day because of the real threats against Roe. The fear and stress is fucking real when your own life choices might be stripped from you. I fear for myself, my daughter and for this theofascist-leaning country where not everyone will be free to do and move around as they please.

[@lawrencee1113]

To be fair , I've worked for a long time,and never had an employer that didn't offer Vacation time or personal time off here in the U.S.! Most employers understand that workers are happier, and more productive if they are allowed vacation time, and sick days.

[@eddiemusick2593]

Image a world where people don't "feel" like working and have the nerve to tell others not to call them lazy.

[@JRay2113]

There’s a reason for this. 1. Power mods have a liberal bias. 2. Reddit mods sux. But seriously, many online platforms, like Wikipedia, have gatekeepers with a liberal bias bent.

[@gabelava982]

There is nothing about Kyle’s take on this that isn’t an unreasonable deflection/defense of Rogan.

[@braedengray9356]

If you feel you can afford to miss a day's wage, then why shouldn't you be allowed to? If productivity goes up, while wages stagnate, then why shouldn't you take extra leisure time? Seriously, what do owners think their people are working for? If you want your workers there every day, then pay up! Make it worth their while. Give 'em a fair deal. Even rats understand fair play! If one rat always wins, then the other rat will quit engaging in play. This isn't hard to grasp.

[@sergiosatelite467]

I don’t know the numbers off the top of my head but bringing up the number of people who report mental health issues in our beloved US would have bolstered Kyle’s argument.

[@hughmyers8583]

Rogan has lately become a parrot for Fox News talking points. I used to listen to Joe but now it's just an extension of the boomer meanderings of corporate conservative media.

[@liamvt2]

Kyle is driving me nuts with this declining quality on commentary stuff. He should at least watch what he's commenting on. Commenting on a Rogan scandal and he hasn't even watched the podcast and is instead commenting on David commenting on Rogan and asking his audience to fill in blanks for him? An audience that he admits he doesn't interact with because he hates looking at social media stuff.. Whats the point. It just feels so fake these days. He stopped caring. I completely understand and respect not wanting to interact with social media online. But then don't ask your audience questions in your video.. And don't complain so much about not growing as a channel. How plugged out is he that he doesn't even know the general vibe of his subreddit. Kyle says a lot lately that he busts his ass making content and not showing much for it. But he also shows a clear lack of fundamental understanding on audience engagement. Get an editor or hell.. Even just a friend.. to look at your social media once a week or something if you're that allergic.

[@triblex305]

As a german us only having 20 days required by law honestly surprised me becuase I was quite sure we were at 22 or 24 but after a simple google search I realised why I was confused, 20 is indeed the absolute minimum but it's extremely rare for an employer to give you just 20 days. In my experience it's more common to have 24 as the company minimum instead. The US having 0 is just criminal in my opinion.

[@edward0383]

Did he blame the left for the Buffalo incident?

[@wilcee238]

Give it time.

[@leslieudvardi2748]

You know what I did with my mental health day after the Roe v Wade announcement which I truly needed? I went out and protested! And have been everyday since!

[@ShoesMagoo]

He isn't "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" mentality, he's "take personal ownership of your behavior" mentality. You don't get to just say "I'm having a hard time so everyone cater to me" and expect everyone to kowtow to you. "I need a mental health day because of RvW" is a mindless, virtue signaling cop-out. It's about trying to show how much you suffer and get social credit for it, and if you support that kind of shit, then you don't have as much in common with Rogan and his mentality as you might think. This is not a right-wing, conservative position.

[@patrickwalsh2361]

Glad you cast light on Dave’s analysis, he’s got great integrity and fairness.

[@JevonMusicGroup]

I think what Rogan was saying is that people today over dramatize political stories... not that people shouldn't get days off from work.

[@lukeymuffler6265]

It's easy to say "go to work and work harder" when your job is literally smoking weed and talking to friends in a luxury playground filled with all sorts of free goodies and fun things going on.

[@codaboi138]

I don't blame people for being sceptical about these things. An injury is easy to see, mental health issues are invisible to the naked eye and infinitely more complex. It's extremely hard to know where to draw the line on mental health being treated similarly to physical health. I think this is a debate we're going to be grappling with a lot in the coming years.

[@CrashMetaReligion1996]

As much as I hate to say it I believe Joes new found wealth has affected a lot of this shift in his thinking. He is not an everyday guy. He is a rich dude, and ultra rich dude. He has more in common with Elon Musk then you and me.

[@typodev9239]

On the topic of calling someone to fill in for you- I have worked at places that are so understaffed that there will never be anyone to fill in, lol. Since I left they did not replace my position either.

[@moodmaker2796]

4 day work week: In construction or as an electrition working for a firm and many other jobs I've personally worked in... the following applied: 1. either I got burned out after a few months and my work ethic tumbled until hours of the day were wasted due to me being unable to work efficiently and stay motivated or 2. there geniunely wasn't that much to do at that specific day to justify me being at work for 8h wasting my life away, leading to further demotivation. These days I have much less money compared to back then but I'm far more productive for the company I work at since I go there, I do the things I have to do in 5-6h maybe three times a week , more at peak times, and I go home. I can pay my bills, I don't live above my needs and I have much MUCH more fucking time... so much so that sometimes I take a 2nd job for fun in order not to get bored. BUT THAT IS MY DECISION! And whenever I don't give a fuck about the second job anymore or I want a break or do whatever the fuck I want... I do it. This concept works withing a few key parameters. Do not live in an expensive city only for the sake of feeling closer to whatever it is you tell yourself you value; most of the time you don't participate in those things anyways. Get rid of debt, don't make new debt (only buy things you actually have the cash on hand for), consider cancelling all ongoing contracts that have no real benefit (Netflix & co. there is so much free content on the internet... you don't need to pay anyone but your provider.) Maybe even your cell phone contract and buy internet and flats on a need bases, walk to the store, cook yourself (fresh is mostly more cheap). And a few others. I still have almost a 1 to 1 income/ expense ratio but I have 10 times more free time to do MY thing. Can I still take off to holidays once a year? No... I'd have to plan a trip in advance and safe up for it... but again: I have holidays basically more than half the week... and I have EVERYTHING I need.

[@Aperson156]

Bruh. That subreddit has been critical of Rogan for ages now.

[@briangaines3693]

I love that I can call Bill or Dave to help me out & cover my work responsibilities whenever I’m upset about not being able to get my girl an abortion in a red state

[@3v068]

Listening to Joe's comments pissed me off. "Get the fuck up and go to work. Your parents didnt just die." Yeah, but I do and I might as well since I can hardly pay my bills. Thanks for the support rogan.

[@vbrigham]

I dont normally talk about that subject. But as far as the government telling a woman she can't make a choise on weather to bring a life into the world. I look at nature. A mother bear will risk her own life to save her babies. That same mother will abandon her weakest children if there is not enough food to feed them all. It's not just bears that do that. Its painful for any mother to do that, but it's part of the job.

[@hatihrovitnisson6269]

The long hours and shit pay is why I don't answer my phone on my day off if I see it's my job calling

[@erato99]

I wish I was like Joe and didn’t have this bipolar disorder that runs my life and always keeps each day interesting.

[@NomeUtenteNonDisp]

A while ago, Joe actually moved and went to interview (I understand this almost never happens today) prof. Robert Sapolsky. He might need to be reminded of that conversation. I encourage everyone to listen to Sapolsky, for that matter.

[@David_1789]

I would take anything possible bots or paid shills on Reddit say with a grain of salt. That place is an echo chamber.

[@R3dbudd]

It all started with the Opie and Anthony subreddit. That was a doozy.

[@spellman007]

I think this is the best proof ever that Kyle just wants to make capitalism more friendly.

[@Spacemongerr]

Well yeah, he is a social democrat.

[@rwmoser53]

Just commenting on SubReddit. I've been mostly playing around in the KZbin, Twitter, and Facebook ponds, but I thought might be missing out on some interesting conversations. So I decided to stick my toe in the Reddit pond, and I have to say that pond is full mosquitoes, water moccasins and anacondas...aka unemployed white trolls. Granted, I was talking smack., too!😎 LOL

[@Omniryu]

The main problem with Joe Rogan is...the people who still take him seriously. Dude's an idiot that thinks he's smart. Started believing his own hype. Don't let the conversation get too intellectual. He'll just run out of brain juice and say "have you ever tried DMT?"

[@waterandafter]

"I didn't think that through" Basically every Rogan take on every subject, Kyle had to point out that Rogan said this at least twice on two different subjects.

[@MarkAvo]

Joe should have Kyle and Krystal and voices like theirs on his podcast more often.

[@SelfTaughtArtist1]

No, nobody really pays attention to sub Reddit unless they’re writing one

[@taylorvoss-smith7598]

Dave rubins subreddit is one of the most entertaining places on the internet

[@armandolarade7861]

Joe Rogan says he grew up poor, what a joke, his dad was a cop, his mom left him and then she ends up with a computer programmer who became an architect, sure there might have been some lean years, but for him to say he grew up poor is a load of baloney, but of course to him, Mr. 200Million dollar man, us middle class or lower middle class stiffs are poor to him...poor, what a joke.

[@THX11458]

The statement "His friend, who is a business owner" gets to the point of the problem: when Joe started his show his friends were more or less just average people, now his friends are wealthy business owners and famous celebrities, so he's no longer directly exposed to the plight of the every day man. Instead, he just hears the complaints of upper-class individuals.

[@patricknez7258]

Well said

[@blinkin7795]

that seems like a fair criticism

[@Mmlujan]

I’ve thought recently he needs someone who is a normal person one of his friends introduce him to, should be allowed on the pod to talk about what being in the working class world feels like. Everyone I know is burnt out right now. And I’ve heard him say that’s a terrible life but he needs to know what it’s like now for the modern worker. We know all the bs now. My wife was working a job making 6 figures and quit bc she didn’t feel like she was being treated fair and felt like she was lining the pockets of the top. Edit: I was only half way through and listening to the comment about working during the pandemic was a problem for her as well bc it felt like to her the people who worked were expected to do that and weren’t compensated for being able to make it through that bc of hiring issues that have continued

[@Soundsyouhearswithyourears]

He’s kinda like Donald trump, whoever is talking in his ear is what he thinks in that moment

[@USSAnimeNCC-]

Also add that form my experience he hang out with right wing people more he have them over more

[@cerealeater7369]

Capitalist have convinced the American society that working themselves into an early grave for no benefit other than the company's success is honorable and patriotic .

[@greatcesari]

No, capitalists have convinced them that it's honorable and patriotic, lazy, that they don't work hard enough, and that it's only way to be successful all at the same time.

[@TheWoundedNarcissistProject]

it's like a form of stockholm syndrome (talk about being owned by the owner class on every level)

[@thinkbeforeyoutype7106]

Exactly! Notice how “working hard” propaganda talking point has increased as the wage and benefits of workers decline rapidly. If people had an actual LIVING WAGE where one job covers all their needs than they wouldn’t need any motivation to “work hard.” They are overworked and working multiple jobs just to stay afloat. Capitalism is feudalism in disguised. This is why corporations are trying to buy homes immensely so they can charge you everything when they own everything.

[@kevinhodder8465]

@@TheWoundedNarcissistProject Great comment! I never thought of it that way, but so true. I'm around people who just keep on keeping on, not realizing their family is working harder and getting less.

[@akmal94ibrahim]

Yea, I've never been proud of the companies I worked in. I have been proud of some of the projects I did for those companies but that's about it. I only cared about the projects because they were my (and my co-workers') own, not because it contributes to the company's profit and growth.

[@HolyColaHolyCola]

Rogan is the main beneficiary of his work, so of course he will work hard. It means something different when you are making Someone else rich by your own labor

[@elsikpych]

This is why you're poor and don't get promotions or overtime

[@godfathaofyo]

Thank take the risk and gamble on yourself, be an entrepreneur if you want to enrich yourself from your labor.

[@RoastedSaltedPeanut]

@@godfathaofyo not everyone has the luxury to do that. Sure some people have been able to built something out of nothing but most of us need to keep our jobs to pay bills. Our parents don't own homes that we can live in while we are getting our business off the ground or in case we fail.

[@godfathaofyo]

@@RoastedSaltedPeanut Than just accept your lot in life and stop complaining that somebody else is benefitting off your labor. Why should somebody else sacrifice their profits to taking chances and gambling on their business if you aren't willing to do the same. You want a high reward, that comes with high risk.

[@rustyshackleford735]

He doesn't even have to work that hard, he gets fucked up and has conversations, or watches fights and records that shit.

[@TheCommonS3Nse]

Lol, I went onto the secular talk subreddit. They actually talk about how Kyle’s subscriber count has stagnated mainly because he doesn’t engage with his audience. Kyle just proved them right, lol

[@eugeneimbangyorteza]

Kyle's subreddit is also harsh towards Krystal hahahahahah

[@oldlavygenes]

@@eugeneimbangyorteza They need to ease up on that some, lol. I mean come on, Kyle scored pretty big with sniffing up all that Krystal. Why they gotta be trying to cockblock him? They jealous or something?

[@quinnobropta2539]

@@eugeneimbangyorteza I think they're aware that the buck stops with Kyle, I don't see lots of negativity toward Krystal myself

[@GetBentman]

It's so sad to watch, Kyle was moving quickly towards 1M subs. Then right around Covid time he came to a dead stop. Literally hasn't gained 5,000 subscribers since 2020

[@mausklick1635]

lol

[@mixedbyap]

Any video Kyle makes about Rogan is essentially useless. The elephant in the room is that Kyles incredibly biased when it comes to ANY rogan topic because 1. They’re friends 2. Kyles relationship with Rogan directly benefits Kyle and damaging that would be against his own self interest. I’m not saying that’s bad because I understand, 95% of people would do the same if they had the Rogan connect. I’m just saying I can’t take anything he says seriously due to the conflict of interest

[@Social_Pugatory]

He and Krystal and Sagaar are extremely biased toward Rogan and over the last couple years it’s been absolutely ridiculous the unpaid defending and justifying they do for him. As if they are on his payroll as if he isn’t a grown ass man who can’t speak for himself! Is Rogan “donating” to Breaking points/Krystal&Kyle/Secular Talk…maybe. Joe Rogan could say tomorrow he trophy hunts cats in his neighborhood and The Dynamic Trio of Kyle, Krystal and Sagaar with excuse and defend to no end to cover for him.

[@Bickle121]

@@Social_Pugatory JRE is just a massive opportunity so it does make a lot of guests biased and desperate to maintain a relationship. It’s partly why I’ve gained so much respect for David pakman, he was consistent and he criticised rogan when he needed to

[@nomsashezi9775]

my gosh i thought i was the only one who noticed how Kyle almost always twists himself into a pretzel to hedge himself as not being against JRE but also try to course correct the obvious rubbish JRE is saying without appearing to offend JRE....money is a hella of a drug guys and the lesson here is to not idolize anyone, even if they profess to be straight shooters

[@Bickle121]

@@nomsashezi9775 yeah to be fair it’s one of the only things that he is biased on, but yeah I just can’t trust anything he says about rogan because he’s desperate to defend him. The most annoying part is the fact he actually criticises other people for being pretending to be “left wing” but then focusing only right wing issues which is exactly what rogan does but Kyle just ignores it. Let alone Kyle completely ignoring all his bullshit on Covid

[@TheOmmW]

Dude to me the cringiest moment has to be the election night when Tim and Joe pretty much blew Kyle to the side but he still thought he was part of the gang 😂 they were pretty much like “okay shut up nerd, you didn’t call the election out for our boy”

[@danhalo1405]

21:15 I am European and this graphic honestly shocked me I didn't knew that Americans really have zero days paid holidays and no paid annual leave by law. I really don't get how Americans can tolerate this abuse by work for so long without massive protests erupting at some point especially when Americans are very well aware that in all the rest of the developed world workers are way way better treated. How can this country call themselves "the land of the free" honestly i don't see the supposed freedom in America at all this country really is nothing more than one big lie

[@Thezuule1]

Because they've got half the country brainwashed into thinking protesters are a bunch of dirty hippies that need to get another job, while the other half are so broke they're on their way to their third job and don't have time to protest...

[@wiseass2149]

We're so divided in the USA. We're fucked.

[@Kit-se3zs]

Thank you for saying that. Maybe with more of your voices, someday European countries will sanction the US government for its worker abuses and inaction. But you're right, too many people here are completely politically apathetic or brainwashed by media and/or leftover red scare communist nonsense of the 50s and 60s to demand changes. Feels utterly hopeless because this country is at a total impasse. Yet I feel like there aren't many places left on Earth besides maybe Canada (which has its own problems) or NZ which aren't headed for potential disaster themselves. E.g. I would be worried if I or my daughter lived in Europe (her father is German) with the angry Russian bear next door with its nuclear missiles ready at the slightest provocation, especially now in Finland or Sweden.

[@andrewacton5885]

Haha this isnt the land of the free. Theyve been blowin smoke up our asses since we were 5 years old. We are allowed "to say whatever you want", but thats eroding away as well.

[@colewood3297]

Why do you think Americans are aware of how workers in other countries are treated? I gurentee most of Americans don't have a clue. We don't learn about other countries in school & they are barely covered in our news

[@spythe]

Kyle you have to realize Joe saying "you convinced privately" while saying nothing publically doesn't mean anything Like we get it, hes your friends but what he puts out on the podcast to the masses is 2 completely different things. I haven't heard him take back what he said on any of these issues...... but magically privately you "convinced" him.

[@arkangel06]

Why should it be the employee's responsibility to find a replacement? That is literally the point of manager's and owners. What's up with this mentality that managers and owners of business should have absolutely as little costs and responsibilities as possible while reaping all the profit?

[@TemporalOnline]

EX-FING-ZATELLY!!!!

[@chemicalfrankie1030]

The owner owns the company, it does not manage it. The manager manages the company via allocating tasks to employees. If the employee leave, the manager will find a replacement. If the employee takes an unauthorized day off and does not find a replacement he gets fired. No one is asking the employee to find any replacement. Finding a replacement is just to cover his own ass. Is it clearer now?

[@dylanwilliams7868]

@@chemicalfrankie1030 Shitty manager pins the entire company's success on one employee and should be fired. Got it!

[@Riverfox2012]

If the owner or CEO or anyone in management can just "take a day" (and be paid for it, regardless of the reason), then it stands to reason that all employees get to do the same thing. Inequality in the workplace starts with just this basic fact, among others. We've been conditioned by all of those at the top of the food chain that we don't deserve to "take a day" for whatever reason. That we're supposed to "work our way to the top to get those **perks**." Except they're not a Perk. They're a necessity. When the boss takes a day, there're people who back him up because the system is designed that way. When we the employee want to take a day, the system isn't designed to compensate and so we're demonized by a system that works against us. Ditch the "call Bob to take your spot" attitude, Kyle. It's the employer who needs to support the fill-in, not us. Support changing the system.

[@anmolt3840051]

It is true "the owner or CEO or anyone in management can just "take a day"" but most actual workers can't just "take a day" and the reason behind that is that the work done by the owner/CEO/management is actually not essential. The CEO of an established corporation could take off for a month and nothing will really be impacted. If anything, day-to-day work might run smoother because senior executives don't have to attend 100 "brainstorming" sessions with the CEO

[@MrJonsonville5]

Um...what? 1 person catches a cold and gets sent home and the whole company shuts down for the day? Large companies would never be open. We do have that equality, because when you're the one who's sick, or having a mental health day, you're the one who gets to go home. So I don't see how it's unequal. Also bosses don't like people who take tons of time away from work.

[@nickwilliams8302]

"f the owner or CEO or anyone in management can just "take a day" (and be paid for it, regardless of the reason), then it stands to reason that all employees get to do the same thing." Yes, but do they? CEOs, for example are typically expected to be on call 24/7. As you move down the chain, the level of responsibility decreases, but I'm unaware of any competently-run organisation where people can just take days off if they feel like it. I do agree that an acceptable reason for management to take a day off should be an acceptable reason for anyone in the organisation to take a day off, but there still has to be a _reason._

[@47shadows76]

@@nickwilliams8302 Childish positions like the OP's are why people are abandoning the Left. It's like they've never worked, paid taxes, been in management, or graduated from college.

[@kennykenevil57]

@@nickwilliams8302 Literally all the time.

[@TurtleTimeVoiceOvers]

One of the main problems is that Joe Rogan has about 20 right wing guests on for every one left wing guest he has on.

[@Bickle121]

And the left wing guest episode he spends the whole episode talking about how he’s not right wing and how the left are crazy for calling him right wing

[@elsikpych]

Well leftist are lame

[@rh81454]

Well, you guys are very annoying. At least with the right guests they don't get easily offended by jokes or pushback. You guys need Rogan more than he's need left guests/audience. That's just a reality.

[@JonathanRootD]

I came here for the Joe apologetics. 😂

[@tallking7777]

And Kyle always delivers.

[@willfungusman8666]

How will Kyle defend Joe this time???

[@codbdup88]

Kyle very naive af right now. Joe told me privately he changed his stance… oh yea sure Kyle joe will definitely revisit that issue and say he was wrong and changed that was what a week ago he’ll get right back on that.

[@rolemodel1989]

I've noticed he really puts on the kid's gloves whenever he covers rogan...

[@Atombender]

That Spotify deal has spoiled Rogan beyond repair.

[@MrAlexanderTheG8]

Listen I'm an older millennial and even I catch myself scoffing at people who need a mental health day or those who struggle with anxiety and mental stress in general. That attitude comes from people who think they can always mentally will themselves out of a crisis, then they expect everyone else should be able to do the same. I've had to unlearn that bad thought process. Not everyone can just shake off terrible life altering news. Things aren't that simple. It would help if people slow some empathy for those who are struggling instead of shaming them . Besides we do need to rethink the meaning of work , also we need a good childcare system, better leave benefits and to cancel the 40 hour work week. Productivity has increased tenfold, but wages haven't kept pace. Boomers and Boomer mentality is toxic to what younger millennials and Gen Zers really need and we all shouldn't accepter Boomer contempt, it's played out old thinking and a quite annoying!!

[@SaintKines]

"Productivity has increased tenfold, but wages haven't kept pace." is all you need to consider to understand why what Joe said is gross.

[@kingcawleey]

Joe rogan has 110% taken a turn towards the right over the last year , as someone who listens to 90% of his episodes, it's really not even debatable

[@vinsanity40k]

the corrupting influence of money. in joe's case, bags and bags of spotify money. he might say "i'm just a guy bs'ing around", but he speaks that bs with the kind of certainty that some listeners think he knows what he's talking about.

[@Bubbles99718]

Last year? Try the year rump got elected

[@CitizenofDystopia]

Because CNN and Twitter has told you so. He hasn't said anything new right wing. Thinking you should have to go to work and not have an instant excuse is a very reasonable point that wouldn't be an argument if the left hadn't hyper radicalized in the last 10 years

[@CitizenofDystopia]

@@Bubbles99718 is that why he supported Bernie?

[@nyvarsitysports]

Perhaps it was the right that has changed. Free speech, anti war? Mental health? He’s been all these things consistently.

[@Hugh_I]

Love the inception level quoting going on here: Kyle commenting on a video of David Doel quoting a Humanist report tweet, commenting on a subreddit getting riled up about Joe Rogan's latest thinking out loud incident about what a (potentially fictional) employer recited as the argument of an employee wanting a day off.

[@robertbayless1824]

Beautifully put. We aint ready for the aliens

[@marcus.a.k.]

We're just watching a dude watch another dude who's watching another dude

[@blackphillip564]

You mean the left is basically an internet subculture that is at the point where they eat their own, vomit, then lick it up again? These internet political commentators are all money making operations, not outlets for important information. That ended about 5 years ago or so. It's now entertainment, revenue stream and dealing with politics the way people deal with nerd culture

[@shogreene9215]

It's called a sh!+lib salad

[@austintrousdale2397]

@@marcus.a.k. …disguised as another dude!

[@Usagi393]

3:55 With all due respect Kyle, Rogan probably changed his mind again after listening to you. He’s “open minded” to the point of conforming to whoever he is talking/listening to at that point in time

[@quantumjourney1]

Some might say a useful idiot

[@Len124]

Whether you like Joe Rogan or not, Kyle has a serious blindspot when it comes to him. He'll call out other people for similar things, yet he handles Joe with kid gloves. There are a lot of people, including CNN, that go way too far with their criticism, but Kyle's opinions are still skewed regarding Joe. It might be personal bias or he doesn't want to burn bridges for career reasons, but his entire brand is based on impartiality and maintaining his viewers' trust that he'll call it like it is. Without that, he'll just fade into the background with all the other KZbinrs spouting half-baked takes for ulterior motives.

[@hamzac11]

What do you want him to say ? I think he's being pretty reasonable. But, you want some trash talk, yes ? It's not spicy enough for your taste.

[@dwally4198]

@@Staffer8 well he knows them both personally

[@jakebonnett1675]

Absolutely true. I love Kyle but he's so careful to protect Joe, especially after the Jimmy Dore shit. Now he's always trying to convey him as a lefty and goes out of his way to find clips of him saying left wing things, when in reality he's an elite smug prick.

[@lesliewheeler7071]

@@Staffer8 ugh. Jimmy dore is hard to watch now. I don't watch him anymore. He calls out the left, while not calling out the right! I think it was a cop out that Kyle started this video with, 'I didn't watch this one with Rogan, yet but..' it was an easy excuse for Kyle to not criticize him thoroughly! Just like Bill Maher, Rogan is out of touch.

[@nuclearcatbaby1131]

Maybe he goes easy on him because everybody else is overly hard on him?

[@deeman4387]

Kyle simping for Jogan once again ... I'm shocked Kyle once again stating that he basically doesn't give a sh@t about the opinions of his fans ... Even more shocked I'm one of the growing group of people who has unsubscribed from his channel a while ago (always the same talking points, doesn't care what his fans think -> Doing nothing live, only shows up on a few channels with high subscriber numbers, always defending that wealthy knucklehead Jogan so he can keep his seat there appearing once every 2 years etc.etc.) And every time I tune in for one of his videos again, I always wonder why his subscriber numbers haven't gone down further already. Alas, similar to his semi-creation Justice Democrats, Kyle has turned out to be a massive disappointment. At least he hasn't started to grift like many others to boost his subscription numbers but if he doesn't change his attitude towards his fans, if he keeps making excuses for people with polar opposite opinions just because they have big KZbin channels it's just gonna get further downhill from here on out.

[@theFminusclub]

That’s always been a Rogan thing to do. Talking about how people should eat and work but we don’t got bows to hunt elk and giant freezers to leave them in there. We all don’t go to the comedy store to hangout with our buddies and make jokes all night. I got work tomorrow morning. I see where Rogan comes from and understand what he’s saying but he ain’t in the grind anymore. He’s living off Spotify which is something we all can’t do

[@cartermclaughlin2908]

The capitalist argument is that some people are worth more money and deserve the improved life style. You are less valuable, and should spend some of your lesser amount of money on an alarm clock and car and gas so you can get to work. This is the Natural Order of things and all is well with the world. One does have to ask: If per capita production has become UNnatural with the advent of the assembly line, computers, electricity, etc, what is the argument for maintaining a Natural Order in the economy? There is none. Wall Street is all for gas subsidies and destroying crops to maintain market value. It's only when you start talking about social welfare, labor, and poverty that you need to start making arguments that some people are just better than others. I just realized - this seems very similar to a racial superiority argument. Skin color, likable personality, economic ability to go to school or take a risk starting a business; these all seem like things that are out of an individual's control.

[@nicholassrivas]

Dam dude this perfectly captured the anger i have for elites.

[@todd.howard]

Just start a podcast and move to Austin, man. Have you tried DMT?

[@fellopiantube7607]

@@todd.howard have you seen 'Ex machina' ?

[@jamesc210]

I like Kyle but he's such a simp for Rogan

[@cageybee7221]

9:50 this disconnect is also right about when gun massacres started to become a regular thing, and gun crime in general.

[@LacSlyer]

The very problem with Joe Rogan is exactly your interaction with him about maternity leave. He doesn't do any research to the shit he spouts while attempting to discuss it on a level as though he's trying to provide valid information and concerns to his viewers. His millions of viewers. He doesn't give a fuck about knowing what he's talking about in any way.

[@zetablade7018]

Its almost like he sits down with whoever, smokes a joint and just shoots the shit like a normal human. He does not purport to be an expert on these things, and actively says as much on a regular basis. If you watched his show you would know this.

[@LacSlyer]

@@zetablade7018 He shoots the shit with people who are typically well versed in what they're discussing, and even some who will present information that is incredibly easy to refute. But because he does no research he let's anyone spout whatever they want on his show with no clue about the accuracy of what they're saying. Sure he shoots the shit like a normal person, but when you have millions of people watching you talk to people who intentionally mislead with their information like Jordan Peterson, or when you discuss Covid information as though it's fact, you're being an irresponsible piece of shit.

[@conorhealy2763]

Kyle, when are you gonna mention Joe Rogan's belief that LGBT teachers are groomers? For all his talk on how he believes gay marriage should be a right, he sure seems to believe queer folk, and the mere acknowledgment, of their interpersonal relationships is inherently perverse and sexual within ALL contexts. There's nothing wrong with providing students with the vocabulary to describe different interpersonal relationships and social roles that exist within the community.

[@notwoke7005]

he didn't say that. Why do you play this game? I don't like what he said either, but its not what he said

[@Kaneda2K31]

@@notwoke7005 kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6Lac6WsbbF2mKc

[@conorhealy2763]

@@notwoke7005 you right...you right. He said something along the lines of "I'm not saying queer people are groomers and preditors... I'm just saying they shouldn't teach kids" He sure as shit said something along the lines of "teachers are using the label of LGBT to get in close with kids" You tell me. What is he trying to imply with comments like that?

[@mykotron]

@@notwoke7005 he supported the sentiment. Thats fucking good enough.

[@bronzee548]

@@notwoke7005 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGSqhneaga6Fjpo

[@ZiggaBIZ]

It doesn't count if he "flipped on it" if he doesn't SAY THAT on his huge platform. Him coming to YOU and saying he was wrong... does nothing to acknowledge that to the huge group of people who DONT KNOW he told you that & don't watch your show. That's the point. He caters so... hard.... to the right wing audience he cultivated in the pandemic. He is 100% more aligned with the right in how the outcomes of his conversations tend to turn out. And he knows that. There is NO WAY he doesn't know that. NO WAY.

[@emigrator08]

Agreed, I used to love his podcast. I even went to see him and Chappelle at the Tacoma dome. It has turned into something gross where he has on Cornell West one day and agrees with him totally and the founder of the proud boys the next day being chummy and making off color jokes.

[@ZiggaBIZ]

@@emigrator08 I feel the same way. Its like when u find out ur favorite athlete took steroids or something with how gross it feels. Cuz its undeniable going back that he wasnt always this way 😕 honestly kinda sad man. I get why Kyle doesnt wanna burn the bridge tho. I probably wouldnt either given the circumstances.

[@lnkrishnan]

Kyle running defense for Ape Rogan and other charlatans like Jimmy Dore, Saagar etc is getting me extremely irritated of late. To the point where I've actually started using the dislike button (not that it matters one rats ass to Kyle).

[@PretenderCS]

How often does he have to state that he´s left on most issues. The mainstream media likes to frame him that way, they tried to smear him hard due to covid and the vaccine. Have you never made a point that aligned with a conservative and can we just stop with the right wing catering bullshit, or the red-brown alliance scare? Compare him to Republicans and you will find him to the left of them. Compare him to most Democrats and you will find him to the left of them as well. Not a flawless being though.

[@ZiggaBIZ]

@@PretenderCS It doesnt matter if he says he agrees more with the left if what he promotes on his channel is so heavily focused on right wing ideology, thats the point. U cant just say "and look im a leftist" then spend the next ten minutes shitting on vaccines or trans people or cancel culture talking points. Its like saying "no offense" or "dont take this the wrong way" at that point. Just a pagorative used before saying soemthing u instinctively know u shouldn't say. Yet he does. Almost. Every. Pod. If u cant see that by now... idk what to tell u.

[@wesleyblack8302]

maybe joe should start interviewing workers, people trying to unionize, or anything to give him a perspective of what's it's like to slave for a check in this country. that person who wanted a day of because of 'roe v wade' was probably getting paid shit and works their ass off; even if they don't, we're all making more money, but we see less for our efforts, you'd have to be evil, ignorant, or a slave driver to say people should work harder. most of us our paid by the hour, not the effort

[@Lily-ni5po]

Not to mention, probably a woman who was terrified that her civil rights were going to be taken away and that one accident during sex might kill her in the future. Just because it won't have direct and dire consequences for someone like Rogan doesn't mean it's not a serious reason to feel anxious about for the other half of the population.

[@miavaughn2393]

Yup. He basically performs conservative agitprop on the daily by having the majority of guests being "enlightened centrists who say they're totally democrats, but aren't woke, LOL" or straight wack conservatives. He only interviews anyone remotely on the left EVERY now and then, very rarely in the grand scheme of things. Zero union representation. I think he's had a trans person on only once or twice. And he's never had a leftist streamer on. Which is odd as the political streamers are almost as popular as him, they just STRONGLY dislike him. For exactly these reasons. Like hasanabi is probably one of the most popular political commentators on the planet right now. Seems odd that a supposed "democrat" or "person on the left", only seems to focus most of his criticism on the left, and rants with conservatives about how "woke" the left is, being blatantly anti-worker, and siding with the conservatives on basically any social issue beside basics like gay marriage.

[@Lacosanostra699]

@@Lily-ni5po his comments on this subject pretty much make me think he doesn't consider how women would feel about the topic in question.

[@TavaraTheLaughingLion]

@@miavaughn2393 That's not what woke means, it means being spiritually awaken. Wat are you talking about?

[@justindoud8842]

You know a couple years ago I might’ve had the same reaction to the whole “mental health day” thing as Joe did. Even as a person who is progressive. That was before I had my own mental health crisis. When you get to a place of total existential dread where you’re not even sure if you want to be alive, sometimes you would really appreciate just not having to grind. I’ve always been the kind of guy that would just push through it and get my work done when I was sick. Mental health crises are worse than being sick. Being sick in the body I can work with. Being sick in the soul is a whole other thing. I really would’ve appreciated it if somebody would’ve said, “Hey, why don’t you take some time for you. Take some time to get your head right.” It probably would’ve made me a much more grateful, productive, and loyal employee knowing that I wasn’t just a cog in the corporate wheel to them.

[@pHAMBURGLARq]

It's a corporation. You are a cog. That's how that works. Nobody cares about the individual, they should not have to. That's what your friends and family are there for.

[@ricodelavega4511]

maybe an added solution is for easy-going companies like Google or Apple to incorporate a "do not disturb enclosure" policy for workers who are having a working-mental health crisis. Only managers, in necessary circumstances, could infringe on such worker otherwise enclosed in their cubicle/office making it through the day.

[@justindoud8842]

@@pHAMBURGLARq yeah I guess you can take that philosophy if you want. I’m not sure who it helps. It certainly doesn’t help the person going through the mental health crisis. I don’t know that it actually helps the corporation the employee works for. It makes it more likely somebody gets hurt. It also makes the employee less productive, more discontented, and more likely to quit. Not saying it’s the corporation’s s responsibility to cater to their employees every need. Just saying sometimes some basic humanity is in order.

[@theinvisiblewoman5709]

So you are just like Joe Rogan then? You have to experience something to understand it or to think it’s real or important. It’s a bit sad.

[@JLJ8039]

@Jusyin Doud: Agree!