Seeking the Face of Christ: How the Shroud of Turin Reveals God's Love

The Shroud of Turin is an ancient linen cloth which holds a mysterious image of a scourged and crucified man. It is widely regarded as the most scientifically studied artifact in history, yet no one can explain how the mysterious image was formed. The wounds of the Man of the Shroud mirror the Biblical narrative of the suffering and death of Jesus Christ.
Presentation consists of:
- Focusing on the known and documented history of the Shroud and the scientific studies and discoveries of the past 120 years
- Meditation on the Passion of Jesus as depicted by the wounds on the cloth
Speaker:
Nora Creech, an MAFC alumna, has been interested in the Shroud of Turin since the 1970s and has extensively studied the linen cloth. As an experienced lecturer on the history, science and pastoral implications of the Shroud, she is passionate about sharing the facts about the mysterious image and connecting it to the Gospel message. Nora has aligned with the National Museum of Funeral History and is working with the Archdiocese of Houston- Galveston to open a permanent exhibit on the Shroud: "The Most Famous Burial of All Time" by Easter, 2023. Nora has served in various capacities within her local parishes and the Archdiocese of Galveston-Houston. She earned a Master of Arts degree in Faith and Culture from the University of St. Thomas in Houston, TX and is currently pursuing a post-baccalaureate Certificate in Shroud Studies from the Pontifical Athenaeum Regina Apostolorum in Rome, Italy.

[@Lionofjudah308]

Our lord left us all a receipt 🧾 of a debt paid in full of our sins and his love for us all. That’s what the shroud is. It’s truly amazing. Glory to you lord and thank you for all that you have done for us.

[@justincole8039]

Amen

[@marierye3293]

Amen. Thank you Jesus ❤

[@Thoth_al_Khem]

It was a RESUSCITATION NOT a resurrection dummies. John 19:39 says they took ALOES and a PAINKILLER to the tomb....MYRRH IS A PAINKILLER....You Earthlings are ALWAYS lied to on this planet. The SHROUD is NOT Y'shua H'Notzri but JACQUES DE MOLAY. FACT

[@annkaytar1103]

This presentation moved my heart and soul, with the horrible detail of how our precious Jesus Christ suffered..... to offer eternity to us, and to be with him!!! The lady doing the talk was very good.... only complaint was in future, get closer to the screen for the online audience to see it better!!! Thank you for taking the time to present this..... we will be with him soon. Our world and the things happening speak it so! AMEN!!!❤️❤️🙏🇨🇦

[@605pilot]

The amazing thing about the Shroud is that the image was created at the instance of the resurrection. The amount of energy at that instance can’t be recreated.

[@karinpassmore9127]

@@Braun09tv Try it. Is there a photo of you on the bedsheets when you awake in the morning?

[@cybereye2]

Amen 🙏

[@justmebeingme398]

No one has been able to recreate it! Enough said.. Praise Jesus

[@EmeraldRainbowGLORY]

I’m so sorry to disagree but I’m sure that Jesus is going to be using the same amount of lightning energy to in the twinkling of an eye the dead in Christ raise first and the children of God’s that remain on earth are all graven our glorified body and raptured caught up snatched from sudden destruction we are all together saved and we are taken to a heaven and Fathers throne room. I’m so excited to see Our Beloved

[@krissyyoung9264]

@@EmeraldRainbowGLORY Amen! Come, Lord Jesus.

[@willworkforfood819]

Thank you Lord and father for doing this for us. We are so undeserving. Thank you, thank you, thank you

[@ibperson7765]

1:23:20 Actually, an Italian team spent five years using the world’s most powerful eximer laser, and could not reproduce the image. They estimate it would take a pulse lasting one *forty billionth* of a second of uv radiation on the order of several billion watts of power. Clearly, obviously supernatural. Cannot be done by modern man. Probably the single most amazing part of the shroud. It broke the carbon bonds of the top layer of the fibrals, turning them into double-bonds.

[@joanneg7646]

Thanks for sharing that very interesting tidbit of info!❤

[@ibperson7765]

@@joanneg7646 and thanks for your supportive reply

[@WitnessForJesus]

Thank you for this. Did you read this in a book? Where can I find this information? Many thanks

[@trevorjameson3213]

@@WitnessForJesus I found that same information in several sources, all from peer-reviewed scientific papers available online. It just takes some searching to find them. There is some disagreement on the exact mechanism that formed the image, but they do all agree it was some sort of a specifically directed, high-intensity pulse of radiation originating from the center of the body and moving outward in all directions, lasting no more than a few billionths of a second. The carbon bonds on the upper-most layer of the shroud fibers were converted to double-bonded carbon atom as a result of the radiation pulse. This point is not disputed as it has been observed to be true numerous time by several independent studies, again, all available to the public online.

[@ibperson7765]

@@WitnessForJesus Coloring linens with excimer lasers to simulate the body image of the Turin Shroud Giuseppe Baldacchini, Paolo Di Lazzaro, Daniele Murra, and Giulio Fanti

[@joycesky5041]

It’s really a shame that the video was filmed too far away from the screen showing the Shroud…I couldn’t make out much of anything except for the quick shot of the face. They should have filmed this much much closer to the screen but the information was awesome.

[@azzurra9874]

This presentation is one of the most in depth that I have watched and I have watched hundreds. Thank you so much and God bless

[@comeasyouare7307]

wake up........

[@karenelliott8966]

Hey 😮

[@karenelliott8966]

What about the blood being AB+ and showing it was oxygen was out😮

[@karenelliott8966]

Real CSI done,the work on face and body reconstruction 🎉

[@flaviapts9180]

Amen. Deo gratias! Very moving! Thank you all and God bless you.

[@jackaction7077]

Excellent presentation! Too bad we couldn't see the projection screen in the background alot closer on this end.

[@605pilot]

Excellent presentation. A lot of good information about the scourging.

[@allthingsnewlife]

For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son that all who believe in Him should not perish but have everlasting life ~ John 3:16 All innocent Jesus did, this is Love.

[@viclar]

This was amazing. Thank you for posting it! I have no doubt its Jesus Christ.

[@trevorjameson3213]

Being the most studied artifact in all of human history, yes there is no doubt whatsoever that the shroud is indeed the one that wrapped Jesus' body. I find it interesting that in these end times, God has allowed our technology to reach a point to be able to prove this shroud to be true, as a physical item that witnesses to the truth of our Lord and Savior.

[@mrcrux213]

I know that in the English language the shroud is know as the shroud of Turin but in Espanish is know as La Sabana Santa or The Holy clothes or Holy sheet.

[@peterw4789]

What are you trying to say Jose? Are you giving us a language lesson? How do you say Shroud in German, French, or even Swahili?

[@just_ben1951]

There's another head cloth that goes with this shroud.

[@jhn146A]

One of the best and easiest to understand lectures on the Shroud of Jesus. But in the spirit of evangelism, need to remove all denominational tendencies that tend to turn the uninformed Christians away from the shroud introduction and information, who are not Catholics.

[@nancybraybrooks5509]

I appreciate all your information. It’s so wonderful to know more of Yeshua’s death. I used to be Catholic and remember the stations. I wish we could have gotten more detailed info on the dna of the blood. It sounds like there is details they have learned.

[@patriciagrenier9082]

It would have been nicer if “your screen” was the image full front on the video. I can not see what you are looking at…too far away. Shame you couldn’t share the image fully on my or any one else’s screen😢

[@stanpeters8893]

The videographer should zoom onto just the Shroud , within that frame, rather than where it is showing all the way through the video!!! We do not need to keep on staring at the walls, and speaker throughout, just saying, as another videographer of many, many years.

[@7071t6]

Bog te blagoslovio sve. 🙏🙏🙏🙏💕💕🦘🦘💖💖 I bog mi pomogao. 🙏🙏💕💕💖💖🦘🦘😥😥u ime oca i sina i svetoga duha.

[@Nexus-ub4hs]

Would it be possible to post a link to the slide deck of the presentation please? Many thanks

[@bluschke52]

Thank you!

[@liamconverse8950]

I appreciate the demonstration of how to wrap someone in a shroud

[@liamconverse8950]

@Hooly Dooly Idk what you're talking about

[@coconut569]

Like a photocopier a light so bright

[@davidneal9368]

Not only his burial cloth but his resurrection cloth. The only problem with this documentary is that the image is far a way from the screen to be seen. Do they think we have magnifying glass eyes built in us. That pony tail, is a tassel by the way. They could have zoomed in with the camera's at least. And actually see the woman's face. Might as well listen to a cassette tape. But interesting.

[@Stupidityindex]

I'd just like to see a collection of models photographed in that position, with their privates covered. Are not the body proportions fake? Christians are the wolves in sheep's clothing, weighing in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones, would-be dictators suggesting we must all travel together, as if we all prefer leadership with one foot in fantasyland.

[@dedradelreyez158]

thank you Lord Jesus.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Our lector promises us two hypotheses as to why the Shroud's radiocarbon readings did not come out to first century, but then she only mentions one hypothesis, the so-called "secret repair" idea. The other idea that she mentions is the alternative dating methods which do nothing to explain the Shroud's radiocarbon readings. How can someone who has studied the Shroud for years be so uninformed?

[@HH_3296]

Jesus is in heaven and he's coming back but not before he raptures the church prior to the Tribulation. He'll be back after to lock up the AC for millennia.

[@karenelliott8966]

😮I read that book!

[@colinvannbohemen11]

Some divine intervention would not entirely be inappropriate at improving the audio quality of this presentation.

[@ngoziuk]

Though I may be on an unplanned sebaticle, I appreciate scientist because they only allow provable facts to guide them. I believe honest geologist will be able to prove how old the earth is. Does it age linearly, quadratically, or through any other aging function.

[@peterwhite7252]

The Angle rolled the stone away as far as i remember .

[@johnmichaelson9173]

"Angle"?

[@paulbishop940]

Out of interest. The curtain as you say was a handbreadth thick. Like you I used think the splitting of the curtain at the crucifixion was purely illustrative as in the book of Hebrews 10:19,20 . However whilst I still believe this I also believe that it was an actual event caused by the earthquake which was registered and noted by geologists at this precise moment in history (Jefferson Williams et al.) A large stone lintel was found broken in half which may have supported the curtain. Jefferson also noted the likelihood after his findings with seismites that the dust layer was probably caused by a dust storm which would have been created by earthquake. Khamsin dust storms are a feature of the Spring season in this part of the world and the two coinciding together would have created a darkness so heavy that it may have been difficult to see your hand in front of your face (see Prof Colin Humphreys “The Mystery of the Last Supper”.) The evidence and facts regarding the Shroud are compelling, they do indeed take you right back to that April weekend in 33AD to witness the most astonishing and pivotal time in our worlds history.

[@catholiclife9304]

It's Jesus Christ Risen I've always believed it

[@revedargent3467]

The main argument against authenticity and that could be enough on its own: the dimensions are not correct. The VP-8 only found 3D info of a bas-relief (about 3cm deep) and not of a whole body. It is a second operation, made from these results, which recreated a body with a program to add the correct dimensions of a body. We find a 3D body because we implemented a program to have a 3D body. This second operation can be considered artistic at best, fraud at worst. A body printed on a sheet renders an image which lengthens as it moves away from the center and which breaks up with the folds of the fabric or simply the extension of its surface because of the curve it takes. The hair must mark in a more blurred and light way, even stick to the skull since it is the blood which must mark. The sheet must be excessively stretched so as not to end up in places with hollows also represented but only the full ones. For that, the mark is in this sense too delimited. Where have the sides gone? Why would Jesus' followers have stretched the sheet above and below (what supports the body in this diagram?) so as to mark only the solids and not the sides? it doesn't make any sense. Ah and then given the small distance between the back and the front of the head, it seems impossible that the top of the skull did not print the fabric and therefore not connect the two. There is a difference of almost 7 cm between the frontal image and the dorsal image. The arms are too long (just enough to hide the genitals) as are the fingers. The forehead is too small. The body is surprisingly very large for the time of Jesus but much less when compared to the figure of the medieval knight. Even assuming that the body is bent (the use of rigor mortis here is more of a magic solution that comes to counter attacks on proportions with bogus assumptions) it does not explain all the proportions more than 'unusual (like fingers). Especially since the folded body does not change the fact that we have the choice between a tempera technique on bas-relief on one side (which explains the dimensions and makes it possible to have a task with similar characteristics such as the showed the various experiments made) and a body in suspension which is printed thanks to a magic ray on a sheet itself in suspension. And then the shot of the bent body also increases the problem of the front/back junction of the skull because a bent body requires an even longer sheet and changes the deformation of the image even more. The sample for carbon dating was carried out by three sindonologists (hard to say that they would have failed on purpose) including experts in ancient textiles (if they are not able to recognize a more recent piece of stitched fabric from almost a millennium and a half so there is a big problem) on a rectangular piece taken from the bottom left of the ventral image and specifically far from any damaged or stitched part (it can be seen with the naked eye). The sample was then sent to three prestigious independent laboratories recognized for their excellence in this method and whose results are consistent with each other (the shroud was woven with flax harvested between 1260 and 1390) and with the appearance of the shroud in the story. The fires of 1532 added scorch and water marks (to put out the fire) to this one but that's not enough to discredit the carbon dating. The ad hoc hypothesis of contamination by a fungus which would have distorted the dating is contradicted by the calculations made by Henri Brock which shows that the fungus should have brought twice as much carbon as the laundry currently contains. His calculations also show that the fire should have contributed twice as much carbon as the laundry contains if the fire only dated back to 1800 and more than 5 times for 1500. It should not be forgotten either that any dating carbon is preceded by a cleaning phase to remove the carbon pollution. The ad hoc hypothesis of proton bombardment is itself such a mystery that it absolutely cannot pass Ockham's razor and totally contradicts the laws of physics. There is an excellent scientific article which presents the carbon dating of 1988, the extreme precautions and guarantees that have been taken so as not to make any mistakes (great media pressure) as well as the immediate and unsurprising desire of believers to pass this dating for bad because it does not validate their beliefs. It also presents the subsequent unsuccessful attempts to contradict this dating by ad hoc hypotheses and by other datings, but whose methodological biases were too great to draw anything from them, until recently and far from completly refuting this dating. The opinion also of Christopher Ramsey (director of the AMS laboratory in Oxford at the time of writing the article and a specialist in carbon dating) is reported there, who accepts the idea of a new dating with other techniques (tested these and not created for the shroud) in the hope that it will allow believers to no longer take pleasure in the denial of scientific results which in the long term will make it possible to clean up the scientific debate. The article in question dates from December 23, 2013, was written by Richard CORFIELD and is entitled "Chemistry in the face of belief". However, it is more easily found by searching for "The enduring controversy of the Turin Shroud". Quote from Christopher Ramsey in 2008: "I'm always willing to consider any serious suggestions of why the dating might not be correct and to do further tests to investigate such suggestions. In this sense, i keep an open mind - as I would about any scientific investigation. However, my strong intuition, based on my experience in this field, is that the new hypothesis will not challenge the accuracy of the original radiocarbon dating exercise." This position is shared by all the radio-carbon dating specialists who have taken an interest in this subject. Jacques Evin, for example, gives a very similar opinion. Effectively, some errors in the treatment of the raw datas of one or two of the labo has been shown and Walsh Bryan and Schwalbe Larry show in 2020 in their article "An instructive inter-laboratory comparison: The 1988 radiocarbon dating of the Shroud of Turin" that only a few decades of difference would be necessary to really reach the 95% reliability announced in 1988. In 2005, Raymond Roger, member of STURP, published a study (R.N.Rogers, “Studies on the radiocarbon sample from the shroud of turin.”, Thermochimica Acta, 425 (2005), p. 189-194.) which claimed to show that the dating of 1988 is false because made on patched parts. It is based on the vanillin level of the fibers taken, on a Wiesner test and claims both to demonstrate the invalidity of the 1988 dating but also to date the shroud itself to an age between 1300 and 3000 years. Many problems with this study: We have no guarantee where the sample comes from or its storage conditions. This one was given to him by Luigi Gonella who claims to hold it from the 1988 levy but no proof is provided, only his word. Nothing says that it is not a fabric from a totally different origin. The heat from the Shroud's fire was more than enough to vaporize the Vanillin from the surface of the Shroud in seconds and even much less. Rogers' dating method is unique, unprecedented and therefore not at all well-established, unlike that of 1988, which leads to suspicion. The values of the Wiesner test were taken in a perfectly arbitrary way. The analysis is made on a surface sample only (by adhesive) and without taking into account surface phenomena. It misses the margins of error of various numerical values, sources and references while various errors suggest that Rogers probably did not pass the peer review or that he found a way to cheat with it. In 1973, an analysis of the pollens and the dust of the linen concluded to a passage of this one in Jerusalem at the time of Jesus. Problem: the study lacks considerable precision, other pollens which should have been there (if this was the case) are not, as well as the calcyte deposited on the pollens during the fire of 1532 and the images of criminologist Max Fry strangely do not show traces of the fire (a good classic fraud in sight) which is explained by the admission of this one according to which he had taken reference images and not the real ones images of the shroud pollens. For Marzia Boi in 2010: her work is neither in agreement with previous pollen surveys and their expectations, nor in agreement with the study by Gianni Barcaccia who speaks to us squarely of pollen coming from East Africa until to China, the two willingly forgetting that the Shroud was not always kept well protected but was even exposed to the public (the degradation of the pollen is therefore quite different from the ideal state they imagine) on different occasions during which an audience of believers from all over the world could come to see him. It is not really possible to determine with precision and certainty the geographical origin of a pollen. A palynologist will tell you that we can (at best) determine the biological family to which he belongs and then see in which places in the world this family has been found over the ages, but there again it remains excessively unreliable and imprecise.

[@revedargent3467]

For blood: In 1973, a medical institute analyzed fragments from "blood stains" on laundry and had to detect the presence of blood. UV tests are negative, as are benzidin and microspectrophotometry. In 1978, the STURP researchers (Heller and Adler: accustomed to publications with abusive conclusions) brought to light porphyrin (which is found in hemoglobin), albumin and bilirubin on the tissue (which the we find in the blood) and therefore they conclude (because of their belief or their lack of expertise in this field) that it is blood but no analysis is carried out to prove that the molecules come from blood . Problem: these molecules are also present in the pigments used in painting and in particular red ferrous ochre, the composition of which was found in fragments taken from different places in the shroud. We also find cinnabar and these two pigments are very present in the Middle Ages. The yellow tint to the body is due to a bone glue soak that has yellowed over time. In 1981, Heller and Adler reiterated with an article that had the same flaws as the 1978 study, in addition to repeating a whole bunch of usual and unfounded stereotypes (on the negative, dimensions, etc.) on the shroud. In 2017, Giulio Fanti found creatinine and ferrihydrite on the shroud and therefore concluded that blood was present. Same problem as previous studies! For creatinine and ferrihydrite: ferrihydrite is also present in certain pigments and creatinine can easily be explained by the presence of another component on the shroud: collagen, which is an essential element of bone glue and found in certain techniques such as tempera painting, which achieves similar results to the study. In other words, there too it is not sufficient to certify that it is blood. Especially since the study is far from reliable. The evidence presented by the authors does not in any way support their conclusion ("the man enveloped in the ST suffered a strong polytrauma"), which is based instead on the simple overinterpretation of data from a sample whose history is unknown and a chain of dubious hypotheses not even making it possible to validate with certainty the presence of these molecules. This conclusion is contradicted by the publication of Kelly P Kearse in 2020, which also shows the presence of molecules present in the blood on the shroud. Problem: this study is based on several refuted works and avoids the analyzes conducted (such as UV tests, benzidin and microspectrophotometry) which contradict the presence of blood. This study also probably did not pass peer review because it was only published in 13 days, whereas it takes an average of 3 months for a serious study/review. In 2005, geneticist Gérard Lucotte claimed to have found DNA from a man of Middle Eastern origin and blood type AB. Problems: his work is not published in a scientific journal but in a Christian publishing house and is therefore not subject to any peer review. Moreover, the sample used is of unknown origin (we don't know how he got it) and therefore not reliable. We can also add that Lucotte works alone, has no scientific recognition and that even the other works of his career are often more than controversial, completely biased or without peer review, which does not even allow us to qualify him as a person. qualified for this exercise. But hey, the author could have painted with blood (which remains strangely red) to make his work more authentic so it wouldn't mean much to find some on the linen. The STURP is an offshoot of a Catholic pro-shroud guild. The majority (statistically too many for it not to have been a determining factor in the selection) of those who participated were believers and some were even among the high places of the Catholic guild. There was a surprising lack of specialist in the field concerned in this team: no specialist in ancient fabrics or medieval art. The STURP also quickly got rid of Walter MacCorne, a doctor of organic chemistry and the one who was considered at the time the greatest expert in microscopy in the world because his results did not go at all in the direction of the authenticity. In short, the STURP was simply a good big scam which only served to give a "scientific" cachet to sindonologists and from which we only keep works without much scientific value, full of errors and statements without proof. In his Last Judgment of the Shroud of Turin, Chicago scientist Walter McCrone details 20 years of research on it. His conclusions are based on microscopic examination of 32 samples of fibers and particles taken from different places in the shroud. He concludes that the image was obtained from red ocher and a ferrous pigment. The Shroud artist painted in tempera the areas where the linen was supposed to come into contact with the supposed body so that a negative image resulted (more logical than if he had painted the hollows). A vermilion tint based on mercury sulphide was then used to represent the bloodstains in the nailed places. It also explains how time, exposures and storage conditions have caused the image to fade (penetrate fabric). Sindonologists speak well of later paint, added, or have some other ad hoc hypotheses but which do not come to undermine the credibility of the pigments discovered. Walter McCorne is also at the head of a laboratory specializing in the analysis of works of art and the discovery of forgeries, a laboratory which the supporters of authenticity hoped at the base that he would support their belief. but who backtracked on seeing the results, as they already did for the 1988 carbon dating. Contrary to what sindonologists claim without proof, the Shroud is reproducible and has several replicas, for example at the cathedral of Chambéry or that made by Paul-Henry Blanrue, that of Luigi Garlaschelli, that of Jacques Di Costanzo, that of Randall R. Bresee and Emily A. Craig, that of Joe Nickell and that of Henri Brock, even if the latter two mainly aim to demonstrate the feasibility of obtaining such a task (negative, proportions and low penetration) by the technique of tempera painting and with a bas-relief. Henri Broch's experience is not unique and several other people have successfully carried out similar experiences by obtaining tasks with the same characteristics apart from the shape of course, rather due to the shape of the bottom - relief used. The non-existence of replicas, if this were the case, would mean nothing in any case: many works of art have no replicas and some techniques leave enough room for contingency for the result obtained is not predictable and therefore difficult or even impossible to repeat exactly the same. The weaving is completely anachronistic since instead of being in single stitch (mesh weave) like all the fabrics that have been found from this period, it is a crochet weaving in triple stitch, a type of weaving which requires a tool which did not yet exist at the time of Jesus and which would only be invented much later in China: a loom with 4 heald bars with pedals. Literature for the subject: Vial, Gabriel, ‘Shrouded in Mystery’, HALI (The International Magazine of Fine Carpets and Textiles), Issue 49, 1990. Shows that nothing like this (structure, material or composition) is know in Europe before 16th century. He concludes to antic origin but only because he's mainly based on the hypothesis that the loom with 4 bars would have arrived much earlier in Palestine than in Europe because of its geographical location as a cultural and economic crossroads. Stoner, Joyce Hill, "Conservation of Easel Paintings", Routledge, 2012. On the 4-bar treadle loom. Øye, Ingvild, ‘When did weaving become a male profession?’, Danish Journal of Archaeology, Vol 5, 2016. For the appearance of this loom in Europe in 13th century. Especially since we would be able to prove that the shroud dates from the first century, not the identity of the person on it. There could very well have been a fraud at the time, passing this shroud off as that of Jesus. Finally assuming that this part of his life (like so many others) is not just a myth. We finally have no contemporary trace of him, only historians and writers evoking the Judeo-Christians and several leaders of revolt (the reason why we speak of them in the texts). The very name of Jesus is later. The Judeo-Christians probably had a guru who wanted to make a new religion for himself because Judaism did not suit him as it was, but was his name Jesus? Did he live as described in the Gospels? At least for the somewhat unrealistic part? We don't know and it's a matter of belief from there.

[@revedargent3467]

The magic ray is not possible (according to the laws of physics) so the stain is due to blood. Why all this blood? The body had to be washed and then embalmed and the blood coagulated long ago. Even with fresh blood, to succeed in such a task, the body should have bathed in it. It is not his injuries that will have been enough. The brand should be much more united with fewer details. Blood flow from wounds should not be able to cover the body but to have large areas without blood. Moreover, Luigi Garlaschelli proved in 2019 by BPA that "bloodstains" could not result from horizontal but only vertical flow and that the flow along the arms and hands supposes various appearances rather than one. single flow. The existence of the trace of the coins inside the eyes has never been demonstrated. It is put forward by several sindonologists (those who have never had the shroud under their eyes and who only base themselves on the photos) but refuted by other sindonologists and by several scientists who do not see these "pieces" when they observe the eyes (they speak rather of a pareidolia for those who believe they see them as well as on certain modifications that the photos may have received) and are based on the impossibility for a linen with such a seam to print signs if small on a piece that is too small. Covering the eyes with coins is not a Jewish custom. This representation does not come out of nowhere, it is only one stage in a long history of representations (pictorial or written) of the legend of the shroud of Jesus. The previous documents were not made with this Shroud in mind, but it was made based on them. It also fits completely into the Christian iconography of the 14th century with its crown of thorns, the flow of blood along the arms with the blood flow to the side (which we find described in the report of the Clarisse sisters) , too long fingers, slightly bent legs... In addition to taking on the features of the medieval knight with his size, his appearance more Hellenic than Semitic, etc. For Pray's Codex and its famous image of the shroud: There is already the problem of the supposed signs that only the most convinced believers manage to see. In addition, the thumbs of Jesus (echoing the refuted work of Barbet) are not the only ones to have disappeared from the image. One can also find missing thumbs on other paintings of the same period without any connection with any medical reasons: as for the feet (not represented on the image, no more than on the shroud), the hands could sometimes be sloppy or hidden because of the difficulty of representing them with good proportions unlike the rest of the body. And it would be strange if the painter had taken this detail into account but not other much more visible ones such as the crossing of the hands (not represented, it is the wrists which cross) or even the uniqueness of the fabric because the shroud, on the image, is supposed to be the fabric in several pieces attached by strips and not the table below. And that is a typical example of overinterpretation of a document. We take a detail to make a whole story out of it, forgetting the most important elements of the image, the context, etc. Nudity is not in favor of authenticity contrary to what certain authors evoke. The hands joined at the level of the sex (and the lengthening of the right arm by ten centimeters as well as the fingers) already make it possible to hide the nudity of Jesus, especially since Europe in the 13th century saw the development of the macabre art, which comes with its share of nudity and corpses. It is also much more logical to represent the body almost naked because we do not bury dressed corpses, especially not among the Jews in the 1st century. And this work is not the only one to represent Jesus almost naked (for example in three baptisms of the 10th to 12th centuries, from the Elmali, Karanlik, and Tokali Churches in the Goreme Valley) in addition to benefiting from a double censorship thanks to joined hands or simply to the negative. The work of Doctor Pierre Barbet (location of nails, anatomical details, traces of passion, etc.) was refuted in a 1995 article by Frederick T. Zugibe which shows that Barbet's thesis is based on anatomical errors but also that the result would not conform to the Shroud of Turin. He also points out that the various stigmata saints all received their stigmata in the palms and not in the wrists. Several texts and representations (from the Middle Ages or older) describe the tortures that Christ is supposed to have received. You just need to know how to read, to get help or to come across the right illustrations. The nails are also not in the wrists on the shroud but in the palm of the hand as noted by the Poor Clare sisters of Chambéry (during the repair) in their report. The various data collected, which not only refute the hypothesis of a bi-millennium origin and also conclude that it originated in the Middle Ages, are also perfectly consistent with each other and with the fact that the period in question is synonymous in Europe with an immense traffic in relics and fakes. The negative technique is nothing new in the Middle Ages, its first uses are visible from the beginning of parietal art in the Upper Paleolithic, in the Aurignacian. For the Italian study published in April 2022: Realized by a team having already made fruitless studies because too biased on the shroud. Liberato de Caro is a believer author of numerous studies on religion while Giulio Fanti is a fanatic constantly publishing biased studies without peer review (for example his study in 2015 to prove the presence of DNA and that of 2017 to prove the presence of blood) on the subject. It is published in a journal of poor quality and allows itself a lot of abusive statements on previous studies and particularly that of carbon 14. So little reminders: 3 analyzes by independent and prestigious labs on carbon 14 against a single analysis by WAXS by actors WITH undeclared conflict of interest and having already carried out various biased studies on the shroud. The origin of the sample is no more given (precise location, size, sampling conditions, etc.) than that of the samples from previous studies carried out by the authors. This is a big problem because a sample whose origin is not clearly identified can hardly be accepted to validate a study since it could then come from a completely different place, why not from a (real) dating machine? of the time desired by the authors. We can only assume with a vague passage of the text that the sample comes from those taken in 1988 (no more sampling accepted by the papacy for a long time) while these nevertheless posed a problem for the study when it evoked carbon 14 . Allows itself to discredit the study by carbon 14 without any defect having ever been proven in the study, only suspicions raised to the rank of arguments and proof by sindonologists. Makes some ad hoc assumptions to justify its existence. Claims that what it's trying to measure could not give a medieval result because it would require high temperature and humidity (for which there is a lack of justification in the study) but suddenly forgets that the shroud has undergone the heat of the fire and the water that was used to extinguish it, a fire that was nevertheless used as an excuse just before to discredit carbon 14. Obvious contradiction. The study is also based on the assumption that the fabric would have been kept throughout its existence between 20°C and 22.5°C with a relative humidity of 55 to 75%, but the sheet was kept in churches for a long time ( whose temperature was much lower) and sometimes exposed or traveling, not to mention the heat of a fire and the water to put it out. We therefore already have no justification for the need for these figures but nothing either confirms and proves that the sheet would have remained at these temperatures in addition to not giving the exact source of the figures. Published in a predatory journal with little respect for peer review. Published in a few weeks (less than a month) and based on a dating technique developed 3 years earlier by the same team in a publication published in 2 weeks (it generally takes an average of 3 months for a study to pass the review by peers in a serious journal) having strangely no echo in the scientific community, any more than this study for that matter. The technique used was also created only for the shroud and is therefore not at all a proven and objective technique. There alone, it's already a very, very bad start and therefore makes it possible to refute most of the assertions of the study as well as to understand that we are very far from a serious study.

[@jackiemack8653]

Man you must really really burn to deny the existence of Jesus and his resurrection . Jewish man Barrie Schworz became a believer after being on the team. Your extensive writing trying to refute this is laughable. By the way rocket scientist there was no time to wash the body. Passover was coming.

[@mattritchie6233]

These people that are saying its a fake dont make sense theres so much evidence that its authentic

[@johnsebesta7351]

I saw Jesus on January first 2013. It was at that time I knew that the shroud was accurate. What I saw was that the face of the man was exactly what I saw on that day in January. The shroud gave us the actual appearance of Jesus. My testimony is on KZbin called rapture apocalypse testimony 2018

[@mikepruett1745]

john 20:29 what if there was no shroud ? would you believe?

[@uptoolate2793]

Yes, but this really helps. Especially if you believed back in the 80s even though it was widely panned that the shroud was a fake. Even then, I believed. Thank you for causing me to ponder this.

[@mikepruett1745]

@@uptoolate2793 1984 for me

[@elemon02]

That verse says nothing about the shroud or linen clothes

[@user-du5tg4si2j]

DOES THE SHROUD REVEAL THE THIRD JEWISH TEMPLE BY ANY CHANCE?

[@Timbo_tango]

47:20 Barabbas = Scape goat, Jesus = sacrificial lamb

[@KobraVR]

Here's a thought....why don't they have the shroud carbon dated? By professionals obviously, that would stop all the awkward hand-wringing and excuses every time the previous 'botched' dating was mentioned. Putting it off is just suspicious. Even for believers like myself it just makes *zero* sense not prioritising this if they haven't got anything to hide.

[@elemon02]

They've already done that and multiple other testing.

[@elemon02]

Also it was noted that when the scientists took samples from the shroud they took the samples from a poor side of the cloth that had been hung up for display purposes. Therefore, the sample was tainted from previous handling. The shroud also showed a chain of beads hanging in front of the thorn crown where they tied it together. Many things were not mentioned in this production

[@savedbygrace8337]

John 4:48 “Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.”

[@johnmichaelson9173]

She's basically already decided that it's Jesus & she's now fitting the evidence to suit her already formed conclusions.I'd be so appreciative of some balanced factually honest information about the shroud.

[@Stupidityindex]

Beware the gathering crowd, superstition only gives us the sign of Jonah, our being thrown overboard as a sacrifice to perform work, calming the sea, trading for the freedom of Barabbas. Why does Rabbi Tovia Singer utterly destroy the notion Jesus could have been one of the Messiahs, exposing Christianity as a made-up religion. If Christianity were not a made-up religion then why are the Jews not buying it after 2000 years? Believers mindlessly suggest it is a good idea for us to suspend our disbelief, as if God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel, as if Jesus never decried faith as worthless as a mustard seed when it comes to telling mountains to move with expectations of obedience. They want all the data to fit in a fiction, complain when the science does not fit, & then keep the merchandizing going that started in the middle-ages. The problem is The Shroud of Turin is controlled by those with a vested interest in keeping the story alive. Believers mindlessly suggest it is a good idea for us to suspend our disbelief God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel or faith is worthless as a mustard seed when it comes to telling mountains to move with expectations of obedience, nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital, they all share a family history with cutting bits off. How is it possibly ethical to suggest the equivalent of a notion we all travel with one foot in a stranger's fantasyland, using fictional vocabulary: prophecy, prayer, etc. We have Moses: World's worst navigator, leading a party as if travel were best done with one foot in fantasyland. If Christianity were so good, why are the Jews unconvinced? The religious lack any standing for a vacuum of quality-control. The Jews have a joke: God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel. As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah, who was sacrificed overboard & the raging sea grew calm." The sign of Jonah is the superstitious working their way to a majority & good people dying. Need we add more? Should we ignore it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions, the witch killing? Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. We don't recommend prophet as job description. We know them by their works & Christians have attempted to put their new wine in the old Jew wineskin. They both come from circumcision as a shortcoming. We know them by their works, the vocabulary of fiction, of spin. It is not what goes into them declaring what is kosher, but what comes out that condemns them. It is their worthless faith with heals them, rather than touching the hem of His Tunic or dating the Shroud of Turin.

[@jackaction7077]

The bad guys will try to tell you this was some Knights Templar guy and not Jesus. Don't believe them they are lying..The evidence is overwhelming that this is our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@commendatore2516]

i know what you are talking about, the knight you are talking about was 23rd grand master Jacques de Moley, he was burned at the stake, i dont know how they think he was wrapped in some shroud, for sure this shroud once wrapped our Lord!

[@jackiemack8653]

The Knight Templar was Jacques de Molay burned at the stake approximately 1200 years after the death of Christ.

[@tristanuaceithearnaigh7660]

One might ask why the governnor passed Jesus onto the Jewish leaders many times and tried to wash his hands of him rather than have him escecuted forthwith like he did many times as a formality, the death of Jews meant nothing to him and Jesus was just another one on his list., but Pontius Pilat was reluctant to excecute Jesus because his wife had a dream the previous night about Jesus and she was so perturbed, she begged the governor ..."not to have anything to do with that righteous man, I sufered much in a dream about him""

[@sassiebrat]

This is NOT what Yeshua looked like! Read Isaiah. The Romans beat Him so badly that you couldn't determine what He looked like. The Romans beat Jesus so brutally that people were appalled to look at Him. His form did not look like that of a “son of man,” or human. A very literal translation reads, "Even as many were amazed at him-so marred were his features, beyond that of mortals his appearance, beyond that of human beings." Is 52:14

[@Will_Michel]

The Shroud is a negative image and God Almighty did that on purpose.That’s just bone structure if it was positive we would know how he actually looked when he died.

[@texaslibertyadvocatenetwork]

You should know there are atheistic ads mocking genesis and the entirety of the Bible before the vide starts that you are profiting from.

[@randylplampin1326]

I agree. God does show us His love. And the Catholic Church shows us their greed for money and deception.

[@Stupidityindex]

Re: Luke 11:29-36 "As the crowds increased", Jesus said, “This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah was a sign to the Ninevites, so also will the Son of Man be to this generation. Jonah 1:15-17 KJV So they took up Jonah and cast him forth into the sea: and the sea ceased from her raging. Then the men feared the LORD exceedingly, and offered a sacrifice unto the LORD, and made vows. The superstitious crowd is wicked. We know them by their works & those use the vocabulary of fiction as if we did not know nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. No man looks for prophet as a job description outside of fantasyland. Even Jesus Christ proclaims faith is worthless since you can't get mountains to jump on command, as if they could ask "How high sir." Jesus Christ is fiction so you can cherry-pick a number of things. I'm trying to use the text to point out nothing is sacred or divine, it is your faith which heals you & not touching the hem of his tunic like people do, by virtual touching the shroud of Turin. The scream from the wicked generation says look there is a magic image of Jesus, He is not fiction. Men have always known God is fiction. The Temple of God serves the best meat, & if Gods existed, She would have no need of men for teachers. Thanks for the reply. How is it possibly ethical to suggest the equivalent of a notion we all travel with one foot in a stranger's fantasyland, using fictional vocabulary: prophecy, prayer, etc. We have Moses: World's worst navigator leading a party as if travel were best done with one foot in fiction. If Christianity were so good, why are the Jews unconvinced? The religious lack any standing for a vacuum of quality-control. The Jews have a joke: God made Mormons so Christians would know how Jews feel. As the crowds increased, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It asks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah, who was sacrificed overboard & the raging sea grew calm." The sign of Jonah is the superstitious working their way to a majority & good people dying. Need we add more? Should we ignore it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions, the witch killing? Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital. We don't recommend prophet as job description. We know them by their works & Christians have attempted to put their new wine in the old Jew wineskin. They both come from genital mutilation spun up with circumcision as a shortcoming. We know them by their works, the vocabulary of fiction, of spin.

[@toboldygo5823]

I’ve had my nose broken very badly, as a child getting whacked with someone’s skull after giving him an uppercut. Trust me the sounds that my nose made going back together at the hospital told me there were bones in there😳😩 they put a very large pair of pliers up your nose press on your nose with one hand and wrench around the pliers with the other till they break it all back in place, you hear the crackling in your head pretty loud😌👍🏻✨ at least I could see the world through both eyes instead of seeing a nose in one eye and normal in the other. Sorry to disagree I don’t think our saviors ❤️‍🔥 nose was broken✝️☮️💟

[@pretzelbobrocks2865]

And the comments on this video are ridiculous. Herod was not a jew. You got to be kidding.

[@vahrheit9996]

What a beautiful presentation about The Holy Shroud and all the latest scientific studies performed on it. May Our Lord and God Jesus Christ who is The Resurrection and The Life Bless you for such a wonderful video. And May Our Lord and God Jesus Christ Bless us all. In The Name of The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit The Only One True God as it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be world without end Amen 👍👍👍❤️❤️❤️💕💕💕💕

[@ledafrancescamichela5519]

Herod was not a Jew he was an idumenean, an arab. His father had been forcibly converted to judaism with the methods introduced with the Macabean insurrection/revolution. The rightful kings line had terminated in a Jewish king who was too much of a weak man and was quite indecised, he rebelled to the romans who were expanding their dominion and was captured and was crucified. Herod's father had served at the court of the rightful kings and had worked his career upward. this in turn facilitated Herods ascenscion in career and when the Romans had conquered the land of Juda and surrounding he stroke a deal with the Roman after the rightfull king was crucified and the Romans appointed him as king. The people loathed him because he was clever but cruel and ruthless and had forcibly married Miriam the sister of the rightful king and she hated him,. The rightful priest of the Sinedrin were mainly not for Herod and control of the Sinedrin was essential to be able to rule the Jews. Hence Herod proceeded to "accidenting" a lot of the rightful priests of the Sinedrin particularly those that "governed" the most important counties of the land of the Jews chiefly Jerusalem. Some of them had their ears cut off others drowned (Miriam's teenager cousin was "accidentally drawned") etc as even a small defect by today terms would have disqualified from the right to be priests serving the Lord and occupying a seat at the Sinedrin. Herod then appointed all the members of his converted familiy to fill the vacant posts of the Sinedrin. The Roman endorsed all this provided that Herod and the newly renewed Sinedrin managed to keep the peace and keep the ever rebelling jews calm. However when the people begun to talk about appointing Our Lord Jesus as King of the Jews,(it happened at least twice, once when they followed him when he made the many miracles and the other was the welcome fit for kings when Jesus arrived in Jerusalem for his last passover meal) This is why Caifa was so keen to eliminate Our Lord Jesus. If the people had appointed Jesus even though he did not want to be king, and if the people seized Herod the Sinedring and caused an uprise, the Romans would have begun killing and crucifing everybody as they did around the time of the return from Egipt, and would have sent away Herods and the new Sinedrin members who would undoubtely be killed together with their families.

[@mattritchie6233]

If you believe its a fake why watch the video you made up your mind before watching it

[@jmflyer55]

Sadly, I can’t think of anything good to say about this presentation. Therefore normally I wouldn’t comment at all. But after watching them end of the video, is just gone almost aggravating to watch. From the woman reading her presentation, fumbling through words and sounding uncertain of everything she said, like a teenager giving an oral book report in high school. To the “President” of a “Burial Museum” who didn’t even know what the Shroud of Turin was until she looked it up. Really? And you run a museum? Okay. And then make the statement your museum will focus on the burial method used with the shroud when on display. How about focusing on the fact it’s Jesus Christ, and the ONLY reason you can even display the shroud is because a supernatural event (resurrection) took place, causing a radiation induced 3 dimensional image to be imprinted on the cloth! Something modern science cannot even explain much less duplicate. It’s not like you’re looking at dried blood that made the image. Rather, it’s essentially the same thing as a photographic negative, like you have when using a film camera. Caused by an estimated flash of 1/40th if a second at a power of 10’s of billions of watts. That’s all factual. It only seems appropriate to me that ANY museum displaying this miraculous cloth, should present the most unusual, supernatural aspect of it, and NOT concentrate of “burial methods of the ancient hews” which is pointless. Who even cares about their ancient burial methods? Focus on what’s important people!

[@jmflyer55]

PS… At the end the woman also claims it’s a “matter of faith” to think the image was created during a supernatural even. This is ABSOLUTELY INCORRECT… It has been scientifically proven, that it created a negative, 3 dimensional image. They used NASA’s special 3d equipment used to map the surface of the moon, to see the 3d image on the shroud of Turin. This piece of equipment is the only equipment we have that can see the incredible supernatural image on the shroud. That’s NOT a matter of faith at all. It’s been done, proven, and witnessed scientifically. These people did a terrible job representing the truth about the shroud. It amazes me these people wouldn’t be up to date with the latest facts and literature on the subject they are given a lecture about. Unbelievable.

[@Stupidityindex]

@@jmflyer55 Christians are the wolves in sheep's clothing, weighing in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones, would-be dictators suggesting we must all travel together, as if we all prefer leadership with one foot in fantasyland.

[@JohnBoldlyproclaimingHisPower]

I have 3 images of Christ’s face . That I believe were given me by the Holy Spirit. The testimony behind these images and how I were even able to acquire them is completely supernatural in nature 100% there is no explanation other than that of the working of God. I would love to share them if someone on the team of Turin study would like to cross examine these images I have and place them against the shroud image. The more I’ve looked at the images I have and the shroud the more I believe they are the same man!!! CHRIST JESUS. The one image I have is a screenshot from a video in which the lord allowed me to record of Himself in the night or early morning sky, on 3/21/20 the day of the spring equinox and I was instructed to go outside by the holy spirit at 3:16 am After much instruction from the spirit I later discovered that Jesus appears on the 7:25 video ... he appears the most focused and still from the 3:16-3:21 time stamp of the video....!!!! THAT IS SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE BY HUMAN DESIGN.

[@texaslibertyadvocatenetwork]

Exodus 33:20, when Moses was on Mt. Sinai and wanted to see God: And he said, “Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me and live."

[@JohnBoldlyproclaimingHisPower]

@@texaslibertyadvocatenetworkthat’d be God not Jesus. And Jesus said if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the father SEE FOR YOURSELF👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽👇🏽

[@JohnBoldlyproclaimingHisPower]

youtube.com/@johnboldlyproclaiminghispo9599

[@reggriffiths5769]

All I'm seeing is a tiny i,age from about half a mile away!!!

[@pretzelbobrocks2865]

It's been proven fake years ago. R u serious??

[@commendatore2516]

so you believe a 11 century guy did it? are you serious?! we basicaly spaceage people cant recreate it to a thread in 2023 and you really really think a 11 century faked it...are you serious?!

[@donnadeal5506]

No, you are wrong. Many want it to be false. The dating was done in a repair. You have not kept up. Accept your Lord and Savior who died for your sins. For you...

[@pretzelbobrocks2865]

@donnadeal5506 you are silly. And mistaken. I believe in Jesus infact you can't reach God except through Jesus. But the shroud of Turan is completely unimportant except for those that do not have faith.

[@pretzelbobrocks2865]

@@commendatore2516 Well, us space age ppl can't build pyramids like Giza either. But those ppl from way back did.

[@commendatore2516]

@@pretzelbobrocks2865 only thing i can say, there are many pyramids in the world and only one unique shroud...

[@alanhales6369]

Anyone who knows the Bible will know that the image on the shroud of Turin isn't Jesus, why don't people read and believe the Bible??.

[@markfrost1375]

My stigmata is through the palms…touch ring finger to palm for the spot…not the wrist…but then again ..seems was Peter the Roman …crucified upside down - Frosty

[@jf5154]

If you read your bible and believe whats written in it how could you still be Catholic

[@alhilford2345]

The Holy Bible is a Catholic book. Catholics pray the Bible every day.

[@jf5154]

@@alhilford2345 yes it is it's for all Christians but chathlics don't no whats in there bible like preying to idols for example statues of Mary or baby jesuses or crosses or rosary beads.. we told specifically not to do that in the bible or the pope calling himself the holy father forgiving peoples sins no man can forgive sins on behalf of god and no one on earth can call themselfs holy father except god!!! I could go on and on with my list but I'm not going to I just ask for you to wake up read do the research it's all there plain as day.. church on Sunday when gods day is really on Saturday but most Christians don't no that

[@iamhudsdent2759]

How could you be protestant? The Bible clearly states in James that faith without works is dead. So Martin Luther was wrong from the start. Not only that, Jesus specifically consecrated and directed his apostles to found His church, the Catholic Church, his true church. Over 50 Catholic bishops were chosen by the apostles, and James was the first bishop of Jerusalem. Peter designated the Bishop of Rome. For hundreds of years, through apostolic succession authorized by Jesus Christ, it was the authority of the church that established Christ's teachings, BEFORE the Bible was canonized and the various books deemed Holy scripture. The Catholic Church did that by its authority, and excluded the apocryphal books, designating what would be the Bible itself. The Catholic Church likewise established the fundamental doctrines you now believe as a Protestant, Born Again, Methodist, Anglican, Evangelical, etc. There were MANY Apocryphal books in circulation for almost four centuries, and many beliefs about who Jesus was or was not, but it was the Catholic Church that had the authority from Jesus Christ to canonize the valid books you now revere, establish the biblical inerrancy that YOU now espouse, and establish the doctrines that you now believe. You are mostly Catholic and do not even know it, due to the historical and spiritual illiteracy of Protestants. That is because there is no actual Protestant church, but a collection of hundreds of denominations, Protestantism having no authority from Jesus Christ through apostolic succession or anywhere else. Protestants will say their authority is the Bible alone, Sola Scriptura, but there is no one scriptural truth in Protestantism. Nor is your Sola Scriptura biblical. The bible does not proclaim Scripture alone. The Bible in fact says otherwise. Paul clearly states that his teachings were spread in his letters AND by word of mouth. Meanwhile, Jesus had authorized his church, the Catholic Church, to be the sole authority of Christian doctrine through his apostolic bishops under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Finally, in 382 AD, at the Council of Milan, with no Protestants alive until 1100 years later, the Bible you now read was canonized, by the Roman Catholic Church through apostolic succession, and the heretical books rejected: the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, Revelations of Peter, the Shepherd of Hermas, and more, all of which were widely read since the time of Jesus. Without Catholicism those heretical books would now be part of your belief system. Christianity and the Bible you know therefore required apostolic succession by means of the Roman Catholic Church, the original and true Church of our Lord Jesus Christ, against which, as He said, the gates of hell shall not prevail. Though that battle has been underway continuously, especially in these dire latter days, and through the heresies of Martin Luther.

[@jf5154]

@@alhilford2345 it's not a Catholic book

[@7071t6]

The only issue i have, is this, how on earth could any man survive the torture he endured ,think about the romans they knew how to torture a man, but keep him alive for the crucifiction, but men did die just from the scourging, limit of 39 lashings jewish law for lashings given, but if you look at the shroud and the amount of lashings its over 300 ( combined ) and on both sides of the body. The way the flagerin was made they all say it had glass or metal hooks or bone in the leather, if that was true, then the amount of blood loss alone and the pain associated you would black out or even die as some historians say. I would say that jesus lost consciousness a few times for sure, ( especially when the nailed to the cross ) plus to think he would have to carry the top part of the cross as well, so i think IMO that the flaggering they used only had metal dumbbells and no glass or bone or metal hooks as some historians say, otherwise the blood loss would be massive and he would have died during the flogging IMO, just like its mentioned that some people died from the flogging or scorging alone.🙏🙏🙏🙏💕💕💕💕🦘🦘👌👌👍👍

[@suje8032]

Organticly 😮?

[@queennamibia1546]

AS LONG AS YOU KNOW THAT JESUS IS A BLACK MAN.

[@e-college-sait]

Jesus was not a black man, He was a colored man with long hair.

[@queennamibia1546]

@@e-college-sait Whatever makes you feel happy. Who do you call colored people? Go figure

[@e-college-sait]

@@queennamibia1546 Nobody ever came up with this nonsense? suddenly even Jesus has to be black. Jesus was a middle eastern man, that is to say, his color was coffee with milk.

[@Will_Michel]

@@e-college-saitColored man are still considered black in the eyes of the white man😂

[@Thoth_al_Khem]

LORD in Hebrew is BA'AL.....SHEESH you all are brainwashed.

[@jeffreyerwin3665]

Yeshu b. Pantera

[@pedalandpop783]

Drivel for the weak minded......

[@donnadeal5506]

What makes you strong? Can not recreate this. Explain it, my friend.