Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy

Costin Alamariu's scandalous book.
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[@gcarym]

Omg i knew costin at MIT, he would get me stoned and insist i listen intently to bach and build castles in my mind. What a character

[@emZee1994]

I'm incredibly jealous haha. I'd love to get high with him

[@133839297]

That says a lot. Thanks for sharing.

[@abk5294]

Ok but what Bach pieces?

[@finley8367]

Wow that's so awesome

[@EuphoricDan]

He doesn't like bach

[@TorMax9]

Philosophy is "What is going on around here?" When everything's groovy and everyone's belly is full of food and wine and the house is warm, everyone has a nice long sleep. It's when custom breaks down that people wake up and start asking questions. Deep questions. Going back to first principles.

[@BaronEvola123]

That's what Nietzche would say. Damn you Sew Crates !

[@Queenfisher444]

Valid thesis, I would contend that there is significant value to broader lines of thought. Your house is more than just bricks and mortar, sometimes it’s nice to have light switches, heated water and a television no?

[@cb73]

Extremely provocative… I’m going to be thinking about this angle for a long time. Also, I now see why Hans-Herman Hoppe has written extensively on the virtues of an aristocracy in relation to democracy. I had not seen the connection before. Amazing, thanks for this!

[@RhiannonSenpai]

Costin Vlad Alamariu is Romanian, as a fellow Romanian I'm proud of this new generation philosopher.

[@buddy.boyo88]

he's jooish

[@nunoalvarespereira87]

He's jewish

[@josephdeneka666]

he claims to be jewish himself

[@RhiannonSenpai]

@@josephdeneka666 His name is Romanian.

[@nunoalvarespereira87]

He has posted his dna test, he's jewish@@RhiannonSenpai

[@gpxavier]

Thanks a lot for the overview - makes me really intrigued to read this!

[@CherubCow]

Excellent overview! This is third on my coffee table at the moment. Gonna need to get to this soon.

[@life_of_ccb]

Fantastic discussion! Thanks for the thorough outline of the argument

[@william6223]

You gained a subscriber Thank you for your clear overview of this book.

[@dobertjowneyrunior3023]

Brother your channel is incredible

[@kan0r]

Thank you for the eloquent summary! Some ideas are interesting, but I still mostly feel like this is a philosophy for the simpler minded, or put more krass, "a dumb person's idea of a smart person", trying to impress with words and sometimes provocative sounding concepts. The author being forged in MIT and Yale, this isn't surprising. Has he read his Strauss and Nietzsche? Sure, yes. Can he run circles around you with citation and connection of conceptual ideas expressed? Certainly. The problem isn't an inability to go through all necessary motions. He comes with full Stallgeruch of a University's philosophy department. But, as alluring as the laying out of the details seems to be, from a 10000 mile view, his insights and conclusions seem - to me - simply not compelling enough. For example, why does a "nomos" society have to be overrun by aristocratic peoples, in order to - apparently only then - give the conquerers leisure time to discover "nature" and bring forth philosophy and science? Isn't the whole class of financially independent rich today in the same position at any time, free from the tedium of labour? What "nomos" are they ruled by? Or in a welfare state, certainly under the rule of "nomos" by the author's standards, the basic necessities of life are taken care of by the tax payer through the state. Isn't such a man living of welfare also in a similar position, at leisure to dive into philosophy and science? What keeps him from discovering "nature"? If the "conquering" is a necessary precondition, because it apparently builds character, who amongst the philosophers the book relies on was a conquerer? Not Strauss or Nietzsche. Physis of an aristocrat? Athletic? He must be kidding. Anyway, maybe he really is just a master level troll, it is always possible that this is, to him, a giant joke. In any case, it will generate the intended attention and income.

[@raycosmic9019]

At its best, Philosophy is an integral Way of Being, Knowing and Doing.

[@Arbognire]

Actually, I think that it can achieve knowing & doing but not an actual transformation of being.

[@donniedewitt9878]

Sublime lecture mr Millerman.

[@_theaxiom]

PROFOUND!!! Really adds to the notion of the Nomadic people who were said to be the original aristocratic, those outside the city even ruling the city and in the works of Wilhelm Schmidt were the closest to the knowledge of the original religion of man unlike the other 2 paths of man, agricultural (farms, matrilineal) and cities/tradesmen (city centers, patrilineal). Love the Plato's cave part, you have to experience something before you can even start to abstract it into its essences and the last part you forgot is priceless!

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Nomadic groups are almost, if not entirely, patrilineal and patriarchal. Tradesmen and merchants, insofar as they are part of the settled agricultural substrate, are inherently feminized.

[@bas-tn3um]

it isnt profound its another segment in the endless cope around the fact eugenics is a load of dogshit just ignore that people with no history of a genetic disease in their family can see it crop back up.

[@anon2034]

@@Laotzu.Goldbug THIS!

[@bas-tn3um]

yes because hiveminds exist tell me youre a protestant two steps away from islam without telling me youre a protestant two steps away from islam.@@chuncite5719

[@anon2034]

@@chuncite5719 They practice only endogamy. The "selective breeding" is above all about excellence.

[@panchakosha]

Been reading this book lately. Thanks for the video.

[@Confucius_76]

This talk of the "weakening of custom's hold on your thought or practice" as being the precursor to philosophy echoes the thinking of John David Ebert, specifically in his lecture series "The Evolution of Death and Burial", where he posits that technological and societal breakthroughs in ancient societies typically occured after a weakening of the "cult of the ancestral dead", which he says was the default religious mode of early humanity.

[@nupraptorthementalist3306]

I watched this already, but happy to rewatch now that I'm reading it.

[@sezwo5774]

I do not intend to read the Book, I am just curious about the author and his works in general. Thank you very much for your review. It was very helpful.

[@RobWalker1]

Interested to hear what you think!

[@ClearLight369]

Thank you for reviewing this book. Is Alemariu just repeating Straussian themes, or does he add anything new, do you think?

[@randywaldron2715]

This theory seems consistent with the conditions under which philosophy developed not only in ancient Greece but also in ancient China during the Warring States Period. Unfortunately there's enough assumptions here to make William of Oukham spin in his grave. A leisure class is necessary to the development of philosophy. This is true. Philosophers and tyrants both challenge custom. True again. Still, the familiar narrative addresses the issue of custom vs nature. Agriculture developes. Nomadic peoples settle down here and there, each with a slightly different set of customs and beliefs. Trade developes forcing these peoples to learn the customs and beliefs of other people's. The question of human nature is suddenly thrown into sharp relief. There are now such persons as rulers and a merchant class - in other words, leisure time has been invented. Simple and sufficient. Another thought: Rulers and merchants become more cosmopolitan while the farmers stay more wedded to their tribal customs and beliefs. Now, within each culture two tribes develop. Moving forward there are now progressive elites who blend new, foreign ideas with the old, and also there remain conservative rural types who cling ever more jealously to old ways. Eventually, crazy stuff like democracy and 'enlightenment' values such as the universal rights of Man develop. The conservative tribe becomes too frightened. Here and there would-be strong men promise to restore the old order back to where it was before foreign influences began to creep in. Racial and ethnic purity are the buzz words. Or rather, dog whistles. Now we get to the part involving tyrany.

[@anastasiya256]

Was the second example an allusion to the third reich? At first, I though you were talking about pre-revolution Russia, but then you said “racial and ethnic purity”…

[@maxsirius1776]

Very interesting and thought-provoking thesis. I don't fully grasp it, but its premise seems to be akin to the so-called "Self-Domestication" or "Survival of the Friendliest" theory, meaning, as I understand it, that aristocracies and aristocrats practiced a sort of selective breeding "Process Philosophy & Theology" a la Whitehead, that selected for what I've termed a "Win-Win Utilitarianism Infinite Games Mindset" in their gene pools and bloodlines.

[@bas-tn3um]

no its cope eugenics was debunked by genetics and sociology 40 years ago hereditary disease can skip mutliple generations to then reappear. not to mention some are literally caused by furthering the species and genetic abnormalties due to breeding with new genetic partners. oh and inbreeding does the same thing. you cant escape hereditary disease and thats why neither of these clowns site any reference but their own books.

[@maxsirius1776]

@@bas-tn3um "Noblesse Oblige" is a result and a real genotypic phenomenon of selectively breeding for the "Win-Win Utilitarianism Infinite Games Mindset" in (Protestant) Northwestern European aristocratic regimes and a major pillar of the aristocratic ethos of those regions and its (former) overseas colonies. The character peculiarities of Northwestern European-derived aristocrats, particularly (British) eccentricity (a combination of curiosity and creativity) are intentionally selected for because they have a net-positive benefit for the society at large, due to higher innovativeness, etc., even if it can lead to occasional negative side effects for those bloodlines, e.g. higher prevalence of OCD, ADHD, etc. The COMT Met allele which is associated with higher frontal lobe dopamine levels and higher creativity and intelligence is per capita much more prevalent in Northwestern Europeans -- particularly among Hanseatic/Baltic peoples (Danes, Prussians, also Scots, etc.) see Davide Piffer, 2013 "Correlation of the COMT Val158Met polymorphism with latitude and a hunter-gather lifestyle suggests culture-gene coevolution and selective pressure on cognition genes due to climate" -- than in any other ethnic group. This is also the reason why Charles Murray's book "Human Accomplishment: Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950" found that the "Blue Banana" region of Europe is historically responsible for most of the World's economic, technological, cultural innovation, especially since the Protestant Reformation, see also "Merton Thesis" and Joseph Henrich's "The WEIRDest People in the World: How the West Became Psychologically Peculiar and Particularly Prosperous".

[@judgeholden849]

The thesis is basically "hereditary aristoricracies create cultures which justify themselves". It's really not as complicated as it is portrayed here, nor is it a new idea--selective breeding is literally implied in the concept of "HEREDITARY aristocracy", which is itself not new or radical concept, but was the status quo up until very recent Western history. And insofar as Nietzsche and Strauss are concerned, he is just restating, obsfucating even, ideas they already put forward. Just read Geneology of Morals

[@maxsirius1776]

​@@judgeholden849 Thanks very much for your feedback! Are you aware of the "Circulation of Elite" theory by Vilfredo Pareto? Pareto distinguishes between "fox" and "lion" members of the Elite/Aristocracy, and he points out that the biggest potentially destabilizing element in society is the "non-governing" elite, which throughout history often overthrew "governing" or hereditary elites. German researcher Volkmar Weiss also confirmed this genetically, when he found that intelligence is not "normally" distributed, but "bi-modally", meaning that there are many more lower intelligence persons in stable but also stagnant societies than high intelligence persons, because there are only a limited number of high-ranking and "middle-management" positions in society and the fewer higher intelligence persons compete for those limited positions the stabler a society is. Weiss found that about 5% of persons in East Germany had the genotype for very high intelligence (average IQ 130), 27% for high intelligence (average IQ 112) and the rest or 68% had lower intelligence (average IQ 94). I posted a video about Weiss' discoveries on my KZbin channel a couple of years ago that you can check out on this subject matter, in case you are interested. An "Idiocracy Aristocracy" therefore seems to have been the default mode and "natural state" of organizing society until just relatively recently in human history. Carlo Cipolla's theory of "The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity" which states that "Always and inevitably, everyone underestimates the number of stupid individuals in circulation." confirms this and also the so-called "Smart Fraction Theory of IQ". However, (predominately Protestant) Northwestern European societies had a "mutation" in their culture and are a "mutant" gene pool, that managed to increase overall intelligence in their societies without sacrificing social stability by also selecting for higher pro-sociality. For the cause of this mutation, see again Joseph Henrich's "WEIRDest People in the World" in which he shows how the cousin marriage prohibitions of the Western Church decreased "kinship intensity" in Western Europeans. For example, Western Europeans also have the lowest frequency of the high-aggression "Warrior Gene", low-activity MAO-A 3-repeat allele in their gene pools, on top of having the highest prevalence of the high intelligence, low-activity COMT Met allele in their gene pools. This selective breeding and genotype combination of high intelligence (COMT Met) and high cooperativeness/low aggression (mostly high-activity MAO-A 4-repeat allele) is what led to the Renaissance, then Reformation, Scientific/Industrial Revolution, British Empire, American Revolution, Silicon Valley, etc. pp. I have called this selectively bred Northwestern European genotype the "Win-Win Utilitarianism Infinite Games Mindset", and "Noblesse Oblige" is the Northwestern European (historically Protestant) hereditary aristocratic/"governing elite" motto and expression of it.

[@Brahmsian]

Yours is one of the best KZbin channels sir.

[@robertstewart6956]

Thanks!

[@sitianteanarquista1671]

Why don't you interview him?

[@GenevaAcademyLanguageCenter]

Good job!

[@west_bestern]

Thoughtful breakdown. I found it educational. Have you received any feedback from Costin regarding if he thinks you have accurately digested what he was saying in his thesis?

[@millerman]

Hey, glad you liked it. I did not receive any direct feedback on this review or on my review of BAM.

[@stephenoverdorf4917]

Thank you Michael. I enjoy everything BAP, excellent.

[@RealityFiles]

I appreciated this one. I was interested in that book

[@mandelbratwurst9087]

This is in contrast to Ibn Al-Khaldun’s thesis that nomadic strength overcomes the weak and decadent civilization of the settled city. Sometimes the conquered people are more developed in some respects than the conquerors. Look at the Arab conquest of Persia. Arabs had a developed law and system of life in Islam but hadn’t developed a secular bureaucracy and system of administration. Persians became integrated into the scholarly elite and compiled most of the texts of traditions that make up the legislation in Islam. Or look at the Mongol conquest of the Middle East. The Mongols were absorbed into the Muslim majority societies and ended up adopting the the prevailing way of life there. Not all laws and customs are equal. Some are conducive to healthy social and individual life and others are against it.

[@Arbognire]

Roman history seems to display both as during the 1st millennia of their ascendency came the conquest & absorption of the surrounding barbarians until eventually succumbing to these invading hordes after they had stagnated into decadence ⚔️🏛️🔥

[@Lascts25]

Mr. Milliman, have you done a breakdown of bronze age mindset?

[@millerman]

Yes -- search bronze age mindset a book on fire and you'll see my video on it (well, it's only audio but you can listen)

[@EL_394]

a 2nd hand interpretation of reality passed down through a presist cast rather then a direct interpretation

[@EL_394]

priest*

[@alexwelts2553]

So basically an interpretation of a book about how real cyclical events that are currently being experienced and carried through at great expense, are being edited and rewritten according to the book club. we heard it here first, man not going to lie, that got my eye twitching. As one of the ones, I do not consent.

[@Queenfisher444]

Michael might be the only human alive most comfortable dancing on the knife’s edge between genius and cancellation. Would love to see you do a similar analysis of Marx - Capital. (Or please direct me to it if it already exists). It would be a shame to limit this level of analysis solely to right wing philosophers. Again, Thankyou.

[@michaelvan-vn9ku]

Kind of makes sense. I would love to see someone " important "debating or debunking this... I can't see any " holes" in this idea...

[@arthurbartholo3050]

It would be nice to make a comparison with Spinoza's notion of nature, and how his "pantheism" opens space for something like an "acsending vitalism", as Nietzsche would put it

[@tracywilliams7929]

You are excellent 👏 Such scholarly objectivity.❤ Consider me subbed😊

[@caer6935]

Millions must breed!

[@lanceslegion]

Magisterial as always.

[@nicholasburch2122]

scandalous? It's so interesting that I've been getting back into this stuff very recently and then this video pops up. I like this idea of philosophy as preservation of the best natures and tyranny as a simultaneous partner in this effort. Genuinely I still feel beholden to a certain quantity of liberalism but lately I've been being pulled more and more into this antiliberal sentiment but even then most the proponents of antiliberalism I find to be fundamentally lacking based on what seems to be the innate principles of antiliberalism itself.

[@j.philipjimenez3395]

Convention imparts a sense of utility or expediency to doing things in a certain way in response to the givens of natural environment. Whether another group at another time might see their way to different customs or traditions and whether those customs are better or worse than those of othere is something that only can be evaluated at a later time by someone equipped to do so. It does seem that conventions-as-solutions produce better results when they proceed from a more perceptive understanding of the environmental/cosmological givens. But to posit a "natural" way of doing things seems ultimately a dogmatic and fruitless pursuit. In the field of international law, we combine "nature" and "convention" in an effort to develop a more universal language of law that might reconcile differing systems when those systems collide. Natural law is posited and conventions are consulted and hold utility. These two sources feed into the pursuit of universal justice.

[@CyberChud2077]

Even I understood this! Great video 😁😁

[@wungabunga]

What mean?

[@BrianDrayton]

I enjoyed this,thank you

[@Stalfos85]

Your lighting is a bit too bright my man, for a second I thought maybe you were recording in heaven.😆

[@thinkingcitizen]

😂 😂

[@michaelbaker4830]

Can the perfect human be expressed in both physical perfection and intellectual perfection ?

[@ximono]

The perfect is unachievable, so no

[@Adnancorner]

yes, with certain effort it is possible. Just like we bred perfect apples we get from stores vs the Kazakhstan apple forests. However it also depends on what is "perfect" if you mean the next generation is better in looks and thinking and remembering - memory skills than yea it is certainly possible.

[@ximono]

@@Adnancorner "Perfect" apples are not perfect. It's only an illusion. The ones you see in the store are also the ones that passed quality control, you never get to see the bad apples. They're coated in wax and stored in controlled atmosphere chambers to extend their shelf life. There are also "ugly" apples varieties that are superior in other aspects. There is no perfect apple. Perfect is only an idea(l). One we're obsessed with in our culture.

[@discipledesigned]

dolph lungdren in his prime would be a good candidate for this class of human

[@sanarr1]

The most I am is the ideal human

[@borisniksic1471]

Isn't this merely rehashing the old theme of the "Genealogy of morals" by Nietzsche?

[@user-yd6zk9wn7q]

of course it is

[@retarazao9600]

That sounds like a "shameless" reading of the Gorgias, not to mention others. Callicles is treated as an inferior man by Socrates: the one that keeps talking after Polus and Gorgias left out of shame (according to Callicles). Socrates dumbs down his arguments to the point of absurdity. Alamariu himself says so: "Now, Socrates’ replies to Callicles in the Gorgias are weak and inadequate to the point of absurdity;". Yes, Socrates shows that the shameless rhetorician can't deal with dialectic and is reduced to silence by bad arguments, meaning: Callicles can't even defend himself with his flattery (that is the refutation!). Socrates goes on to say: "I envy you, Callicles, for having been initiated into the great mysteries before you were initiated into the lesser. I thought that this was not allowable". That reads like: "oh, you are so great, even though you can't deal with easy stuff, my boy". So much for the tyrant greatness... Socrates' arguments are indeed bad: "hey, look at what I throw at them. See what they do? Nothing. They can't think, they only flatter. Now, see some more bad argument against them. And they say that I can't defend myself!". Now, look at Alamariu's commentary: "It is not clear why Plato would have Socrates make the arguments he does or why Socrates would make these in the order that he does to this particular audience-an audience of orators seemingly unwilling to accept any of his premises". This is a failure of understanding that reveals the character of the reader. As dumb as a sophist. Apparently, Alamariu was initiated into the great mysteries, only... And Alamariu goes on into the great mysteries: "In his argument with Gorgias, Socrates introduced the question of justice at a point at which it was by no means necessary to do so to continue the discussion. Indeed, it was plainly rude on the part of Socrates to embarrass his interlocutor in this way". Well, Alamariu, you best of man, since Polus ASKED Socrates for HIS definition of oratory, unable that Polus was to sustain any, and, as you certainly remember, Socrates' definition was: oratory is an imitation of JUSTICE, then it seems quite necessary, and not at all rude, that the "question of justice" may be introduced. Or do you suppose it was unjust to introduce it, my friend? More Alamariu: "The conclusion is based on the premise that the stronger in purely physical force is the better, [488c, 488d5] which is not a premise that Socrates, or even Callicles, accepts. Now, why would Socrates be making an argument in which he does not believe?" Oh, not even Callicles accepts, said Alamariu. Let's take a quick look at 488d then: "Socrates: (...) This is just what I bid you declare in definite terms-whether the superior and the better and the stronger are the same or different. Callicles: Well, I tell you plainly, they are all the same." Yeah, plainly. Callicles takes the stronger, better and superior to be the same, so, he does accept! And, maybe, that's why Socrates makes the argument, to refute the tyrant. Is that also rude?

[@drexvo5544]

ok, now can you explain why socrates and his gang (Plato, Xenophon etc.) used to hang out with anti-democratics of their time ? why xenophon admired sparta, dressed like a spartan etc. and why did aristophanes described the followers of socrates "sparta-mad" with long hair and scytals in their hands ... what am i missing ? I am sorry to say you have done a very bad job of refuting his hypothesis.

[@loniousmonk]

28:55 the NUB!

[@Bachtannkeni]

What does he say about university power, if anything? The “Aristocrats” there are punching theirselves in the face, and others because of that, with their own shadows. Interesting, but is it the Phaleron wall, by some design?

[@georgehristov4388]

Much slave morality in these comments, yes many men of nomos, few men of true phusis

[@EL_394]

with a full gut we individuate up into our heads in conspiracy against the mass.. this is the importance of all members eating together in communion.. where going to be litteraly eating the enlightened individual in communion.. how else would they get to heaven then up the food chain?

[@buddy.boyo88]

the more removed from nature we are, by using technology, legalism, social conventions, the more we become the consumer soyjak meme.

[@Thumolero]

Wow

[@vulpespersona]

Makes me think of I.F. Stone's conjectures on the trial of Socrates.

[@VonHumboldtZg]

so, in one sentence mr BAP said: What doesn't kill me makes me stronger! :)))

[@iforget6940]

Didint Nietzsche say that he could write a a full book in one sentence where it would take some one else to write a book to convey his one sentence

[@johnsilver6908]

What's with the guy on the thumbnail? What was that about?

[@millerman]

The guy on the right? Try to guess...

[@johnsilver6908]

@@millerman -Are you saying he's Alamariu? I'm pretty sure that's not the face of his Twitter account...

[@millerman]

I thought that it's a picture of him that he posted on his own account -- could be wrong. twitter.com/costin_eats/status/1702506145175228715

[@johnsilver6908]

@@millerman You are absolutely right! He does looks kind of different on that photo from his profile picture though...

[@theonetruetim]

Ow-Wooooooo!!!!

[@th3ist]

Well yeah, as long as you dont naturalize philosophy it can be used to save any rulership in decline.

[@DeadEndFrog]

Even the concured people would think outside custom when they get concured almost by definition, which might lead to a nietzchan slave revolt afterwards But state of nature myths shouldnt be taken as factual

[@depiction3435]

So by extension, one could claim that Napoleon was in fact a philosopher...

[@ChucksExotics]

Couldn't this be thought of as an inversion of postmodernism? Postmodernism is like the democratic and customary system he mentions. Postmodernists see all claims to what nature is as merely social constructs, i.e. completely customary and not reflecting absolute true nature. Postmodernists also claimed that it was the oppressive aristocracy that constructs all these meta-narratives about ultimate truth. Even the scientific materialist system is a meta-narrative about the ultimate structure of reality. Like how in decolonialism they will attack scientific truth or mathematics as merely a social construction of the oppressive White aristocracy. Or how atheists attack Christianity as just a control system invented by the Romans. In a way, Costin is affirming the postmodern theory of power. A potential flaw I see in his theory is that he can't posit this eugenic system prior to the invention of nature. Unless he is careful to say that through selective breeding we _discover_ true nature, rather than 'invent' or 'create' the idea of nature. These Nieztschean attempts to create a new worldview seem to always reduce to scientific materialism. I'm all for eugenics as the basis of a good society, but I don't believe in a purely materialist metaphysics. Obviously, genetics is tied to an individuals capacity for comprehending any truth. Is he saying anything other than this?

[@EL_394]

the relativism of postmodernism is what allows us to maintain our intergenerational advantages of education and wealth over the poor.. high modernism which brings everybody up to a set standard is a communist project

[@theonetruetim]

too complicated. You are forcing too many concepts. Customs include words. Excellence must be based on a Standard that can demonstrated rather than assume a deference to how it can explain why not. The Standard must be True. Concepts are a Cave u must abandon. Once outside that Cave, u will want to go back. To rescue your family/friends. But they will want to kill u for it. You Will (verb) in an undermined world, now, or submit to the tedious comfort of familial slavery (to concepts) - at this point. Not everyone Will see thru the lies, or even prefer The Truth, once Aware of them. Nature is yo Boss, either Way/way. If u want a better Society, u must be Direct; For "The People" are willingly enslaved to BS. they use words like "colonized" etc it's a damn mess

[@ChucksExotics]

@@theonetruetim your comment seems completely irrelevant to what I said.

[@Bootseclectic]

I think you imply the “just” scientific materialism more so than the contemporary Nieztschean authors. It’s more so re-integrating The Body as Nature in to Philosophy which suffered from increasingly abstracted ideation formula for Quantitative “Good.”

[@ChucksExotics]

@@Bootseclectic that's fair, I'm not trying to denigrate scientific materialism. And I agree with the project of reintegrating the body into nature. I'm just pointing out that Nietzscheans don't really have a different metaphysics than the average person today. Nietzsche's view himself was a bit more complicated I know. But in general I think it reduces to "the scientific view of the world + will to power." So is BAP saying anything other than that genetics is the precondition for types of thought?

[@matthewsiahaan1312]

Now do Codreanu.

[@GreenGiant400]

That's a lot of beating around the bush to say "read this if you are a young person that wants to larp as a Nazi"

[@mandelbratwurst9087]

lol

[@LenGreenblat]

Which begets which? Does an aristocratic society beget a philosophical society? Or does a philosophical society beget an aristocratic society?

[@millerman]

In this book, for what it's worth, aristocracy precedes philosophy.

[@LenGreenblat]

@@millerman Costin Alamariu makes a powerful case of a correlation between tyrants and philosophers throughout history. Yet, in our modern day, I see no evidence of any aristocracies producing any high culture.

[@bharathvasudevan6383]

Imo, there is no doubt that it is aristocracy that precedes philosophy. Aristocrats, especially those that represent the first or founder generation of the aristocratic regime are people who ''just get it'', and don't have to rationalize their actions. They conquer because they can. I also believe that this founding generation of aristocrats must either have belonged to a society in very early or ''pristine'' stages of its existence (due to which a certain worldview is taken for granted without scope for debate) like the ancient Indo-Europeans, or groups of people who could be the ''Last Men'' that possess enough vitality to escape the death of their own culture and migrate to start again (like those that fled the collapse of Troy and are supposed to have founded Rome), or impose themselves on another weak civilization.@@millerman

[@Adnancorner]

Selective breeding is actually beneficial... We should have a society where people of certain traits such as physical mass, strength, The cognitive skills, the ability to remember things long enough the ability to learn languages... Only those people should have kids, I personally do not mean have sexual relations be forbidden but the ability for a women to bear kids, should be decided by the town or society. Even women should be of certain characteristics... having weak women to give birth is silly. I think we would be able o create a world where after several generations you have a more Higher intelligence, resilient and strong population.

[@thephantomchannel5368]

The problem arises when one group has authority over another by designating them as "undesirable" based on prejudice and cultural bias. Eugenics might work for breeding horses or dogs bred for very specific uses but people shouldn't be treated as such.

[@xortel4725]

Good thing you're not in a position of authority over anyone. Wow. In your worldview, did you inherit your bad grammar from your mom? And is this a crime?

[@mihlalingqangashe9125]

​@@thephantomchannel5368why shouldn't they are be,some humans are physically and intellectually superior to others .

[@qoph1988]

Yes Hello I like potato

[@richardouvrier3078]

Phusis v nomes; Socrates v Isocrates (thé sophist).

[@JorgeRodriguez-my6ej]

Dont think we need an LGBT like BAP lecturing us about breeding but whatever.

[@Peter-ov6xh]

I don't think you can be L, G, B and T at one time.

[@Orville9999]

Do Sadly, Porn by The Last Psychiatrist next.

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Okay I don't buy this. The guy can only bring up the Manchus as a pastoralist elite for China. I am pretty sure Chinese philosophers already developed a nature distinction and selectively bred way before the late 1600s. Breeding animals isn't unique to pastoralists given that most agriculturalists are actually agro-pastoralists, including the Funnel-Beaker of Europe that preceded the indo-europeans and we have evidence everywhere of neolithic Europeans holding distinction between the prols and elites, elites marrying within themselves. And I could go on. This books seems like it was written by someone 150 years ago that didn't have access to the up to date facts.

[@blue1eyed4devil]

Nature's eternal religion.Struggle, survival of the fittest, evolution. Man cannot escape nature's laws, so he must embrace them, the elder Gods of the pagans were all attributed to the elements. Leadership principal,the best man shall rise to be the leader naturally.☘️⚡⚡

[@hannibalbarca3860]

I think there is a mistake in the way you presented the aristocratic idea of "nature". It is not exactly "degrees of intensity of life". As I understand it from the book, nature in the aristocratic sense refers to a creature's basic physical and behavioral characteristics such as in this sentence: "Wolves have an aggressive and independent nature; whereas sheep have a submissive and social nature." So nature is those bodily and behavioral characteristics that define a species in general. The discussion of "human nature" in philosophy conceals the bodily foundation of the word nature. Instead philosophers give us an abstract idea of human nature which is not physical. Philosophical concept of nature is a mummification where they suck the life out of a word and universalize it to the greatest extent possible.

[@anon2034]

Post physique.

[@snowdroog1]

Interesting, somewhat. But if you have a little knowledge, you know none of Costins core ideas are new. Hes just shoehorning them ina very clever way

[@NineInchTyrone]

Errybody duz eugenics

[@ShareefusMaximus]

Almost certainly BAP.

[@drummersagainstitk]

Alamariu is correct on his thesis.

[@basedbuddha666]

A huge clue is right on the cover in the form of the siddham derived Tibetan (i.e. shingon/vajrayana) script atop the pillar. The Vital Tantric Theurgy involved in our task is tantamount. Whether through your right hand, or your left, this domination of any “other” (including one’s false view of self) is the goal par excellence. Translate it.

[@Brian-bw3uu]

From the ashes of our fallen nations we will rise to our proper places. And all will be blessed with our greatness We'll be warlords 🤟 Rights of prima nocta and all that shit Philosopher kings

[@mandelbratwurst9087]

The thing is, laws don’t always come from philosophy. Revealed religious texts have provided laws throughout history. And these are in stark contrast with pagan philosophy. Pagan philosophy allows for tyranny and abhorrent practices like child sacrifice, rigid caste systems, impositions upon the weak underclasses like restricting their right to form families and own property.

[@millerman]

The relevant text here is Plato's Laws. Working on a course for it now but it's a long book. A medieval Islamic thinker called it Plato's book on prophecy i.e. revelation

[@oogabooga685]

Why does the aristocratoc regime collapse

[@TheDude-vs6os]

Soft men make hard times meme... it's cyclical and doesn't need to be complicated. It plays out similarly over and over.

[@iamblichus5318]

So a Jewish man named Alamariu preaches the virtue of eugenics when not to long ago an infamous polity that existed between 1935-1945 led by an even more infamous leader was associated with an eugenics policy and that polity was demonized but when Mr. Alamariu’s kin and clan pursue such ends they are virtuous and forward-looking. Very strange. About as strange as a Jewish president of Ukraine with military units populated with soldiers tattooed with the sonnenrad.

[@insekts]

Not sure why you're attributing eugenics solely to 20th century Germans when the anglophone countries were more advanced in eugenic policies.

[@RoyalistKev]

He's doing it because he's been radicalized by f3ds online to be obsessed with jews So bureaucrats can monitor and write reports justifying censorship on the internet.@@insekts

[@iamblichus5318]

@@insekts I didn’t solely attribute eugenics to the Germans. To use a prominent historical example is not to exclude others like the eugenics program carried out within the United States during the 1920’s and 30’s.

[@jungefrau]

​@@insektsesp California! The big brains in California propagated the ideas of eugenics to college students & medical people as well as men who ran prisons. It even took off in Japan for several decades.

[@pkop4]

Why are you acting as if the author himself is whining and crying about said infamous regime, or that he gives a sh*** about his supposed half-kin crying about that regime? Given all of the work he puts into promoting Nietzsche, European history, philosophy, his own books and explicit political views etc... why not just take his words and thoughts for themselves and not project onto them the worst of his supposed half-kin which he has never promoted? In other words, are you somehow under the impression that *he* thinks only the J's are virtuous and forward looking for practicing nationalism or eugenics or some such? Do you not see that every bit of his work is promoting the best for Europeans? What a silly paragraph

[@jlazelle1]

Physis becomes Res Extensa.

[@ramblingnutcase]

Lol the guy who wrote this book probably has Tay-Sachs

[@qoph1988]

You probably have Gay-Sechs

[@Meta_Myself]

That break from custom was initiated by Jesus Christ. Power was distinguished from Truth the Cross.

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

This selective breeding part is way way out there. As far as eugenics that french court and darwins brother in law and family introduction to world. Nature was an essence that embodied a spirit or breathe of life in platos context. He inherets this from much older times. The ancient world was a small place but yes revisionist history ,urban dictionary has really done a number of definitions. Etymology of proto cannanite alphabet even before Greeks adopt it long before dead sea scrolls or even Plato, nation is a tribe of bloodline and spirit is breathe of life or nature of life lol.

[@dadsonworldwide3238]

If your just now grasping how much etymological corruption has went on since the rise of materialism and evolutionary mythology then you should feel cheated and robbed of a full and proper education 😊

[@joemerino3243]

@@dadsonworldwide3238 It's so surreal to see you go on about etymological corruption so seriously while employing the sort of grammar and spelling that would be expected of a child who was nursed on ipads and ritalin.

[@amariner5]

Nonsense, describes nonsensically.

[@vu4y3fo846y]

This theory is trash

[@EriPages]

Stratification was a popular word in the late 2000s/early 2010s

[@benjamintreitz1647]

This book is no more scandalous than BAP's s*x life. A pamphlet whose sole & very thinly veiled purpose is to be a post-hoc rationalization of BAP's personal aesthetics. he never discusses WHY a "aristocratic foreign people" conquers the "fundamental democracies". The answer is obvious and immediately refutes the rest of the book. Total waste of time, unless you treat philosophy not as problem solving but as sth akin to bridge, table tennis, or bird watching.

[@voidscreaming1012]

Isn't this written by that gay guy?

[@ikengaspirit3063]

Probably why its wrong.

[@GoodlyDragon-gt6hu]

Bro, I have myopia like you. I'm tall, but skinny. If it were up to me, I'd find a wife and chose a zygote with the least amount of flaws, take the healthy alleles from someone else and make a baby that was 99''% mine but replace all the unhealthy alleles with heathy versions from other people. I don't know who wouldn't. To me not doing that if you can afford to seems unethical. I don't want my child to have myopia and OCD and poor muscle tone and sybaritic dermatitis. Without advancements in biology, I might not breed.

[@GoodlyDragon-gt6hu]

@@Guy-sb5hf I'm not picking on anyone. The conditions I listed I have. I want better for my children.

[@GoodlyDragon-gt6hu]

Actually I don't have myopia anymore because of the laser eye surgery, but the genetics are the same, I'd probably pass it to my kids if done the natural way.

[@suppaduppa]

you should not breed. You have inferior/undesirable genetics that is bad for the gene pool. Why would you curse your offspring with such genetic defects? Its very selfish to bring someone in this world to suffer the way you are suffering, simply because you wanted to experience what parenthood is like. Excuse my wording that is quite harsh, but it is the truth. Some people dont need to reproduce. It hurts me to see people who have physical or psychological diseases pass those traits on to the next generation. Extremely selfish, I'd say.

[@chrisc7265]

do you wish you were never born because you're skinny and you needed corrective eye surgery?

[@AmericanDiscord]

You aren't just genes but also culture. There are many levels of self-propagating information in human existence.

[@wolfspartan6279]

The fact you can live your life without knowing any of this crap proves how useless these systems of thought and schools of philosophy really are. Live your life from the feeling of the wish fulfilled. Don’t put others ideas above yours. that is how you get what you want out of life.

[@Animalis_Mundana]

You could also be a paraplegic or have down syndrome and still live your life without knowing any of this crap. Welcome to a technological mass society where popular culture comes from the boob tube.

[@nick-sw3in]

Jewish rentboy costin alamairu 😂

[@Peter-ov6xh]

Why rentboy?

[@JorgeRodriguez-my6ej]

Facts

[@berserker4940]

Z

[@qoph1988]

Yes hail Putler is this ok

[@piercebrosnan9528]

@@qoph1988 Yes hello, hail Putler

[@mangowizard]

>Be middle aged >Be sad that youth is gone >Find comfort in philosophy >Project this phenomenon onto a glorified past

[@oumod_]

He wrote it in his early 30s.

[@AntediluvianDoomer]

Jew book

[@lordsneed9418]

his beliefs seem historically silly. only a few successful societies have had their young men become "packs of wolves on the margins of society" . Also , how many times does technology need to win over physical strength for people to realise that athleticism isn't the most important thing to be powerful and successful? This is true both during war when the more technologically advanced side usually wins and during peace when the most intelligent and resourceful people tend to rise to the top. Athleticism is important to be healthy , to have stamina for hard work, to socialise better, but over-emphasising it is silly and short-sighted.

[@thinkingmansgame]

history disagrees with you. for a recent example take Afghanistan.

[@lordsneed9418]

@@thinkingmansgame No, history agrees with me and disagree with you. the taliban aren't even a very good example of what you're talking about. their commanders aren't young men. And the taliban's structure didn't tell their men to just rove about, they had to be obedient to the tribal allegiances and command structure. Even if they were an example , it would be one of the minority. Most successful societies instead train their young men for the responsibilities they will inherit through institutions like military school , or tutors rather than marginalising them or sending them to the fringes of society.

[@lordsneed9418]

@@user-fc4tx8ml5x right right, the most successful people in the world , the ashkenazi jews are famed for their athleticism, right? and those west africans so over-represented in track and field. what a successful race they are.

[@alexwelts2553]

The men on the outskirts as wolfpacks and such appear to be interpolated and taken from the berserker culture that society really didn't want them in town after they did whatever battles the people needed them for in the first place. Cast out culture at it's finest, but written into non viking, metaverse video game culture.

[@555Trout]

What sort of men restart civilization after the inevitable collapse of each previous? Now, go sit down.

[@The1Green4Man]

I think there is some distinction to be made between conquering aristocracies and subversive aristocracies. You can use the duality of fox’s and lions to illustrate this point. Take Aryan aristocracy, which approaches its opponent in the light, face to face, honourably and with courage and compare it to our current Jewish aristocracy, which gained its position over us by hiding in the shadows and using fox-like trickery. One has the right to rule by the will of the gods, by the will of nature. The other will be dispossessed because their rein is unnatural and cowardly.

[@hayvebromier2158]

The Aryans who went into Europe were ironically phenotypically very similar to the pre-migration Jews: dark-eyed, dark-haired, and brown-skinned. The only difference is that they engaged in miscegenation with native Europeans in a conquest-oriented manner (you can call it "in the light, face to face, honourably and with courage", which is fine I guess, but race-mixing is race-mixing, never forget), imposing themselves on the natives rather than persuading through guile and trickery. There were no Hyperborean superhumans, but a people who looked kind of like today's Persians or North Indians raping their way into indigenous blond and blue-eyed gene-pools. Which is whatever. Just remember, the goal is to keep your eyes on the actual prize.

[@The1Green4Man]

@@hayvebromier2158 you're incorrect, if you look at the actual haplogroup data you'll find that the different European ethnic groups that we find today (Germanic, Celtic, iberian, slavic, etc...) all have varying degrees of DNA from three previous migratory groups. You have the early neolithic farmers, the western hunter gatherers and the Yamnaya. All Europeans with blue eyes inherited those alleles from WHG's. Yamnaya are responsible for our blonde hair and light skin. Both the ENF and WHG's were the settled groups in Europe, the Yamnaya were the conquering group that lead to an extinction event of up to 80% in some regions. The highest levels of Yamnaya DNA are found in northern Europe, particularly Scandinavia.

[@mihlalingqangashe9125]

​@@The1Green4Manhow much Yamnaya ancestry do Italians have ?

[@The1Green4Man]

@@mihlalingqangashe9125 it varies a great deal between northern and southern Italy.

[@TheLincolnrailsplitt]

He seems to be promoting a Nietzschean aristocratic society. It is elitism. Addendum. After watching the rest of the video, I felt the need to vomit. Alamariu's views are grotesque.

[@KRGruner]

It's all nonsense (I mean, the book), of course, but you are quite good at explaining the nonsense, I must say. Unfortunately, there are too many others who still try to make a buck or a name for themselves based on imbeciles (or evil men?) like Heidegger (Nazi) or Nietzsche (pre-Nazi). Those two should never be connected to the philosophical enterprise in any way, except as a negative example I suppose.

[@joemerino3243]

I wonder if you also append the crimes of other philosophers to their names, or if it's just Heidegger and Nietzsche. Do Rousseau, Marx, and Foucault get a pass in your book?

[@jichaelmorgan3796]

What's a pre-nazzi exactly

[@KRGruner]

@@joemerino3243 Oh, no, they do not! They are all guilty of great crimes against humanity, I would agree on that. But they were not mentioned in this video, that I remember...

[@todmann67]

Who cares about nazis?

[@KRGruner]

@@jichaelmorgan3796 You are apparently not aware that Nietzsche was a profound influence on Hitler and the Nazi political movement. Do some reading, is my advice.