Self Defender Prosecuted Twice for Protecting Himself After Being Pepper Sprayed

[@derynbergeron9162]

Imagine dying over a spot in a pharmacy line. Good riddance.

[@SamSilvestro]

Makes you wonder how they made it past the age of 30 to begin with

[@craigsped]

Guess he didn’t need that prescription after all. Another Darwin’s theory case.

[@gregorytyse9317]

but he really needed that medicine, it was life saving medication.

[@chip5617]

At least he got one spot ahead in line

[@thergoezthatman7004]

*beautiful riddance

[@kevinlytle6215]

Assaulted twice and stalked by a psycho who after the victim disengages is not an aggressive act. How they saw this as murder is total BS!

[@bradblackmore2627]

so from what we can all see the guy who sprayed him is fleeing and the other is chasing. This would be why. After the guy sprayed him and then the other walks off, It should of been all over but drawing a gun brings that up a level and this lead to them shooting at each other.

[@spocktavian]

@@bradblackmore2627 Maneuvering in a firefight is not at all the same thing as fleeing. If he was fleeing, he would have fled... away... as in out of the store or away from the area of danger. This jackass was maneuvering to cover and looking for angles on the target, he didn't even attempt to leave the general vicinity. He chose to initiate a conflict AND chose to escalate the conflict to a gunfight.

[@Jesussaves8961]

​@@spocktavianyou're right, he was NOT fleeing. He was trying to corner the guy and get a good cover in shots...

[@DataGeek903]

Exactly. Let me blind you, have you retreat, come after you and then tell me you're not in fear of your life.

[@Tk-jq8br]

@@bradblackmore2627he was only fleeing so he could shoot back if he was fleeing he to get away he would have went for the door he didn’t he try to double around more like repositioning to me

[@poperman3208]

How can someone even think this was murder such a clear case of self defense

[@ActiveSelfProtection]

I agree.

[@StangTime75]

This has to be in Massachusetts

[@Hollow-ys6wj]

I mean tbh it’s not as cut and dry as you say it is. His life was never in any life threating danger in the first clip for him to pull out his gun the other side can argue the aggressor pulled his gun cause the guy in black pulled it out first

[@StuffWriter]

@@StangTime75 Norfolk, Virginia

[@Hijackpro]

@@Hollow-ys6wjhe pulled his firearm after being pepper sprayed, if you’ve never been sprayed you don’t understand how it works, but it’s possible to be incapacitated by it

[@SammyDingusJr]

Dead dude was a former cop. Says everything you need to know about this situation from start to finish.

[@UCAP]

He probably thought himself that due to being a former cop that he would get away with murder

[@TonyJunk-iy6rv]

Oh wow that explains it

[@usaman7358]

LIke what?

[@SammyDingusJr]

@usaman7358 his de escalation abilities, anger, and general sense of entitlement

[@OgeeGabe603]

@@SammyDingusJr saying all cops are bad is like saying all black people are criminals. Stop making stereotypes true you fucking retard.

[@nineknives1495]

100% justified. The DA is a POS who should be in jail.

[@Compton4x4]

FOR Real

[@WsupMyWigga]

What i don't get is how does a guy with a violent record, have a concealed firearms license?

[@cristianproust]

Based on which law?. Why on earth people are so ignorant at speaking

[@justjeff386]

​@cristianproust violating his constitutional rights which should be considered the ultimate crime.

[@cristianproust]

@@justjeff386 There is no constitutional right being violated. NONE. You have no idea what is written in the Constitution. You are just saying words that sound to you grandiose but have no logical meaning whatsoever

[@oaomcg]

Props to the jurors who refused to vote "guilty". They are the heroes of this story.

[@Mind-gt3xg]

​@@dudeshahs4282 So I ask you, if your wife gets pepper sprayed, runs away and the OC man follows your wife, would it be OK for her to draw her weapon or should she wait until she is killed?. you compare an apple with a tank. The OC man attacked the man out of the blue. Black dress run away and the OC spray man followed him.

[@oaomcg]

@@dudeshahs4282 that scenario isn't even in the same ballpark to what happened here...

[@allbyfaith1480]

Aha you feel a little different about the situation when it’s a white guy who get a the short end of the stick eh haha do humans all got a lil hypocrisy in em can’t escape that 😂

[@thaschwartz]

Dude shahs has brain worms.

[@lastword8783]

​@@dudeshahs4282how was he aggressive? The other guy pepper sprayed offensively. Then he followed him around doing it again and again. This was totally justified.

[@Trying2Hard22]

The DA who pushed for that, should be prosecuted. What an utter waste of tax dollars - it was clearly self defense.

[@audenharper3014]

yeah he was walking away and dude cut him off and had a gun, cutting off his path to retreat. Thankfully there are at least 2 rational people in the world that kept this guy out of prison.

[@keres993]

And he may change his mind and decide to prosecute a third time. There's zero accountability.

[@MustyKitten]

@@keres993 that's wild how many times can a D.A take someone to trial over the same or similar charges stemming from a single incident?

[@ThaboTheTeddy]

absolutely self defence.

[@luciaconn6788]

people have bad reactions to pepper spray. The deceased past is a factor.

[@jamesbond1796]

Damn dude died in line at the store smh. He didn't kno that day would be his last . His anger got him killed

[@LivinExtreme]

I'd say dude defended his place in the line, even after his death

[@lordinquisitorstefanauster846]

You know that the DA is racist because if a blackman defends himself he gets prosecuted.

[@lastfirst3512]

@@LivinExtremegood thing what you say is of little value and holds no weight.

[@gregoryjones7712]

@@LivinExtreme lol u wrong

[@aintrunnin6608]

@@jamesbond1796 wow some of y'all are victim blaming POS folks and it shows

[@mr.haynes965]

This happened down the street from me...I remember how odd the story was at the time...Fighting over a spot in line and pepper spraying someone and following them and it turning into a gun fight...Guy in the black was 100 percent justified in his actions...If someone is willing to pepper spray you multiple times and then follow after you over something so little...you never know what they're capable of doing next

[@jasonkerns5846]

As someone originally from Virginia, I’m sorry it’s turned into such a trash state.

[@davidqbs]

If someone OC sprays you, and then doesn't leave, in my mind it would be a precursor to an attack.

[@terrancegriffin1046]

You just may be right. He could repeatedly kick this guy in the face once he's down and or shoot him with is own gun... I'm 60 years old and too old to fight

[@Mike-tc8ob]

liberals will do that. @@jasonkerns5846

[@toddcleave8449]

Your country is a mess, over here in Australia there would be a fist fight at the most, no guns needed, but you guys just shoot each other,

[@shmoop357]

Absolutely wild that this wasn’t an open and shut self defense case

[@purplecitygrow2233]

my unbiased opinion thinks this is more about race and racists jurors and system

[@limbeboy7]

That's what being black in America is. Laws are not for ppl of color

[@richardharding7767]

Seriously. This is so blatantly self defense. Disgusting that any judge even let this go to trial.

[@shmoop357]

@@purplecitygrow2233 I didn’t want to say that, since it tends to bring lots of racists into the comments defending their hate as “statistically accurate”, but I agree 100%

[@jerrymason7887]

@@richardharding7767 What do you think the judge could do? This case is far from clear cut. The judge had no basis to dismiss the case. That's why we have juries to decide.

[@MustyKitten]

I saw the interview of the man in all black and it seriously brought me to tears. He was on the phone with his mother when this accident took place and you can tell from his tonenof voice and how he describes the incident in the interview that he did not want to shoot that man, that man 100 percent kept threating this man and verbally then physically instigating the man in black until he had no choice but to defend himself. Ridiculous that this went to trial twice

[@silasbenz9224]

Accident? Please tell me you meant incident.

[@ericadventuresafieldafloat513]

Did that jack-ass explain why he was walking around the store, blabbing on his phone instead of standing in line? He coudn't talk to his mother while in line? I hate when people do this kind of crap. You go get in line and they come from 100 feet away saying they wuz in line. Both were stupid.

[@TheTuesday11]

@@silasbenz9224so do you think he should have gone to prison for murder? Just asking….

[@papimaximus95]

This is an oldie but a goodie. The decedent (guy in shorts) was actually an ex-deputy sheriff who was kicked off the force for anger issues. The problem was there was no audio on the video and the defendant said the decedent kept chasing him and saying he was going to shoot him. Ultimately, the case produced 2 hung juries and the prosecution gave up.

[@MustyKitten]

@@silasbenz9224 sure you could fill it in with either of those adjectives because the man was confused and scared for his life once he was pepper sprayed and then went on to say that the man kept saying I have a gun and I'm gonna kill you or something to that effect which made him draw his firearm while being effected by the pepper spray so he did what anyone else would do in that situation ESPECIALLY how it began as a simple hey you cut me in the line to being pepper sprayed and threatened to get gunned down in store over another man's ego over a spot in line. Go watch the actual interview and I'm sure with how long ago this was there were witnesses that also help paint the picture of what exactly happened that day

[@a.j.hernandez3537]

I'm a trial lawyer and if I was on the jury there's no way I'd convict. 100% justified.

[@AmaSingVue]

The guy one the phone was armed, he was on his phone and was not in line. He was looking for a fight. I would convict. 🍻 👏 ✌️

[@mmediocahyt1170]

@@AmaSingVueBoth of them were armed. Guy in black didn’t threaten, didn’t draw his weapon and got pepper sprayed, he tried to walk away, got followed at which point he drew his firearm. That’s self defense

[@AmaSingVue]

@@mmediocahyt1170 no, anyone can see he was taunting his to victim. The way he walked talked and went around in circles and around him. We can't here what he said but his body language was clear as crystal. And NO he was not in line.

[@AmaSingVue]

@AJ, where did you get your law degree?

[@yofolkdem1256]

​@@AmaSingVue the law doesn't stand with you on that, who is the initial attacker ? The 1 with the OC spray. I have asthma, if someone pepper sprays me, I'm opening fire and dealing with the courts if I make it that far.

[@RodCornholio]

Props to the man in black for walking away after being pepper sprayed AND winning the gunfight AND winning TWO court fights.

[@GirlCarpenter]

Underrated comment!!

[@RodCornholio]

@@GirlCarpenter I forgot to mention he won the gunfight while almost certainly reeling from the pepper spray. The guy deserves some serious cred. He went through more than most ever do, came out alive and not incarcerated.

[@westsideslide5873]

all he needs to do now is learn how to stand in line

[@Mankivigs]

​@@westsideslide5873All shorts guy needs to learn is not to be a jerk. Oh never mind, HE'S DEAD.

[@Eggcornbean]

He won a gun fight after being pepper sprayed in the eyes by his enemy. Dudes a legend

[@survivalguyfyi5718]

Absolutely justified self defense. How this man was prosecuted is beyond me. Virginia needs to vote out some politicians.

[@kobragangbit]

Facts brother.

[@enrijuan96]

It’s because he’s black in a southern state.

[@survivalguyfyi5718]

I think it’s because Virginia has become very left leaning. Especially when it comes to 2A issues.

[@revpix2284]

@@enrijuan96Virginia is a very liberal state not like the rest of the south so try again.

[@rickyism1576]

@@revpix2284 So liberals can't be racist?

[@Poppa99]

Dude in the shorts brought this on himself. The fact that the defender was taken to court twice and had to go through years of litigation is unbelievable. I'm glad he was finally not convicted.

[@jonathanswift8497]

Got to love the judicial system. Innocent until guilty but with a TON of consequences in the mean time...

[@GiveMeaFuckingBreakDude]

It's scary

[@flashwashington2735]

Hot head couldn't wait to have his peescription filled for his soothing tranquilizers. Dude in black, seeing the urgency, filled his prescription with a more effective tranquilizer substitute. Hot lead!! Whatever went before, when shorts fuse started following him mist people would perceived a malevolent threat. When Shorty walked back to the line, it was because he no longer believes blown fuse would cease and desist. So he circled back and delivered Blown's prescriotiom, peace out. His second mistake was circling back and shooting Blown Fuse. He should have carefully backed off, call police and wait facing Shortie's direction. Then if Fused approached aggressively again, Blackie would be in a totally different legal situation. Jurors would have had a far easier time. I'm no genius, but I know neither man properly anticipated their outcomes for their words and actions. Beware. Take care. God bless.

[@adamimberti6948]

Classic case of a guy thinking he's bulletproof because he has a gun and *hoping* something happens.

[@adamimberti6948]

​@@jonathanswift8497This kind of court case would have completely destroyed his life.

[@Shorty_Lickens]

This scares me a little. Several years ago I was forced to use a gun in self defense and the court system was a nightmare. I got cleared, but it took a lot of time and money. If I ever have to do it a second time I guarantee the legal system will use that against me somehow.

[@barrymccockner6450]

When you get physical with someone, you should be ready to deal with the consequences. Pepper spaying people is assault . And that guy had the right to defend himself

[@dustins382]

Exactly what I came to say. If neither had drawn, and it ended after the pepper spray, anger mismanagement guy would've been arrested for assault. Especially with how the defender continued to walk away and the anger guy continued to pursue. You don't pursue in self defense (I guess there could be rare exceptions, but I'm talking about intent here)

[@elliottberkley]

Yeah, you don't get to just use non lethal on people anytime you want.

[@GaryUSMCvet]

@@actionjaxxson1749 Bingo! Well said.

[@future_me_6067]

The prosecutor is an idiot for trying it twice. Angry guy meets probability.

[@davidswanson5669]

But you’re not mad at the juries? Since both had a majority who wanted to convict, I’d say the real problem lies in the general population, not the prosecutor. A jury is supposed to be able to withstand a corrupt prosecutor, so when a jury can’t see this event as self defense then the state has already lost their soul no matter who the prosecutor is.

[@wiseballs]

Well, the dude is black after all. Let's not pretend that doesn't color the judgement of the prosecutor and the jury. Just looking at the guy, a certain portion of the community assumes he is a criminal, especially carrying a gun. It's not right, but it's true.

[@infamouswickedjokestar]

The OC spray guy carried the sauce for any types of conflicts.

[@davidswanson5669]

@@fosterpainter hey I agree with that. A prosecutor should have never brought the case before a judge, AND a judge should have never chosen the case to be been bound over to go to trial (a judge is also supposed to be a gatekeeper). But whereas ignorant, or corrupt, or biased cops, prosecutors, and judges will always statistically exist in such a large and complex country, the theory of the “wisdom of the jury” is supposed to easily overcome the occasional glitch. I can fight against individual wrongdoers (like a prosecutor), but I don’t even know how to hope to change an entire population.

[@wifi708]

​@@Savana_trackershilarious that a jackass like this was a deputy with the drop on someone pepper sprayed and still got outdone in a gunfight lmao

[@TheGainfather]

The guy in shorts finally found the fight he was looking for. Now you died on a pharmacy floor tough guy. I feel bad the guy had to spend years wasted going to different trials.

[@danielhudson5186]

Did some further reading about the dude who was killed, and it sounds like he was someone who liked to run his mouth and posture like a tough guy. Found out the hard way there's always someone badder than you.

[@TheGainfather]

@@danielhudson5186 he definitely found out.

[@kobragangbit]

Probably felt amazing for all black

[@kobragangbit]

Probably felt amazing for all black

[@LuisCasstle]

Typical tough guy with a gun, you know if he didn't have the gun he wouldn't be running his mouth.

[@shhyman94]

For those who haven't dealt with pepper spray or OC/gas, it is disorienting, painful, you tear up, and motor skills become difficult. Props to this man and glad he didn't get found guilty. Take the opportunity to disengage if possible.

[@Elonmusky429]

Pepper sprayed unexpectedly then retreated while being followed is definitely self defense

[@ChuckFinelyForever]

In LA or New York, you’d likely be charged with triple homicide and conspiracy to kill the President.

[@aintrunnin6608]

Chasing the man down while shooting him after the guy in shorts turned and ran away is considered murder and rhe fact that you believe what John Korea is claiming to be the words between these 2 idiots shows enough 😂

[@bengrant4044]

@aintrunnin6608 He was not retreating he was already engaged in a fire fight... He was repositioning, to get to cover and return fire...

[@aintrunnin6608]

@bengrant4044 🤔😂 nah its crystal clear yall are full of it 🤨

[@Coyotekins]

@@aintrunnin6608 He didnt turn away to run. No such thing as running during a gunfight when your firearm SHOOTS PROJECTILES. The idiot was going for cover, thats all. You dont get to turn away while reloading and magically have people stop shooting you.

[@This_Month_In_History]

The point is that he couldn't hardly see and tried to get away but probably could hear dude still coming after him. Self defense period.

[@MakeItUpAsIGo]

​@@janoskos7389pepper spray boy shouldn't have been chasing lol. Oh well, dont have to worry about him anymore lol

[@This_Month_In_History]

@janoskos7389 ,Yeah both are not worthy. But once engaged you engage back fully.

[@michaelstephens9852]

​@janoskos7389 if you were assaulted and chased down by that assaulter, you wouldn't defend yourself? He could still see but not 100 percent. His eyes are on fire.

[@stevejohnson7132]

@@janoskos7389 I don't believe you've experienced pepper spray.

[@hammertyme8392]

This jackass, with a history of being a hothead, did everything possible to speed up his dead. I'm just glad the defender granted his wish. One less idiot in the world.

[@jeffgawne]

I'm former LEO and in the police academy an instructor asked our class how many of us would draw a weapon on someone who had taken our OC away from us. Two trainees raised their hands. Then they took us outside and sprayed us. After we recovered, we were asked the same question. All of us raised our hands.

[@jadent7416]

😂😂😂🤝

[@brandontodd14]

Interesting that the guy who was sprayed was able to take accurate shots and move through his environment with relative normalcy.

[@jeffgawne]

@@brandontodd14 Everyone reacts differently. I remember spraying a Hispanic guy with absolutely no effect. After he was arrested, he said that his job was working in the fields picking peppers. The guy was almost immune.

[@Hexadeci]

@@brandontodd14this is a really good point actually..in addition to having the right to defend himself from being sprayed more, or shot etc, he was also presumably disabled the whole time.

[@bamspay]

@@brandontodd14 "accurate shots" lol

[@zgthegc3198]

This is fucking insane. The dude sprayed and chased the dude down. 1000% defending himself.

[@richardthomas1566]

He’s Black get over it that’s the way it is in America .

[@user-otzlixr]

@@richardthomas1566Your logic is as sound as your grammar.

[@nakkabadz6443]

@@richardthomas1566 nope he charged the guy in shorts with a gun that's not defensive he's only backing up first to get an angle. it's not a miss trial.

[@kingali7261]

@@nakkabadz6443dude in black got sprayed and chased down tell he pulled his gun when he was backing up, then he seen the aggressor pull his gun then it was on from there.

[@benrodir2]

@@kingali7261 charging at someone and firing your gun is not a defensive move. pretty much ever.

[@ambermarie211]

I am so grateful for those on the juries that held out and stuck with their not guilty votes!

[@ogcowboy5743]

Yes, but they said in both trials that most of the jurors voted to convict! Thankfully a few held their ground when voting to acquit.

[@jeffsmiles9016]

Yes!

[@viscious_uv2]

This is clearly self defense. He should have never been tried.

[@IMaximusDMI]

Its definitely muddy if he was the first to bring out the gun which I can't really tell from the video, but just going off the facts of the case. But its certainly understandable given the circumstances of getting sprayed and then followed after trying gain distance. Anyone would feel they are being cornered. End of the day it should have never escalated to that point. Its really unfortunate for everyone involved.

[@benanders4412]

Don't get me wrong, he deserved what he got. But it's not "clearly" self defense. He was chasing the guy in the end. It's would have been "clearly" self defense if he tried to escape instead of going after the guy to shoot him. It seems more like he was punishing the guy for what he had done, than trying to protect his own life at the end.

[@RamboOnYaMom]

@@benanders4412nah, you can’t just sit back and let someone that is actively and randomly attacking you over a spot in line.. you don’t know what that guy is going to do next

[@viscious_uv2]

​@@benanders4412Clearly probably is not a good description. Your point is valid. Once you look at the totality of the incident, the Black Guy should not have been tried. It could be argued that once the Black Guy saw the White Guy had a gun he had no choice but to be aggressive and pursue him because if he runs away, he might get shot in the back.

[@robdubent]

He was in the middle of a gunfight. How did he know the guy wasn’t running around the aisle to flank him?? All bets are off at that point. Clearly self defense.

[@ArnB-hk4hn]

"You can be in the right, and yet the process is the punishment" John's wisdom! That's why we want to be Good,sane,sober and prudent... deescalate,evade,escape.. John has helped me become more wise!

[@ThaRealest616]

I was charged with 1st/2nd degree assault for defending myself, it was all caught on camera. I was indicted and went to trial, the prosecutor was literally trying to get a guilty verdict even though it was obvious I was the victim and only did enough to protect myself and leave the scene. Luckily the jury of peers all gave me a not guilty verdict.

[@ActiveSelfProtection]

Glad you got a just verdict. Sorry for being punished by the process.

[@kanoaikawach]

They have the make their quotas to get paid.

[@BlackGold-fc7tu]

Can you share the video with asp? They'd probably interview you too

[@JediOfTheRepublic]

Ahh, so the legal worked as it was intended

[@Shad2k8]

@@JediOfTheRepublic well if by working , you mean , wasted tax payer money on bogus charge with video evidence of the contrary , well yeah it worked .. but what happen when there is no video ... will it still work , if the prosecutor accuse a victim , but there is no video proof that he is in fact the victim , what happen then .. will it work ?

[@HaotoAnimeOnPiano]

Mistrials and indecisive juries are a nightmare. If someone would pepper you over an argument, they're most likely gonna do something greater for even more trivial matters.

[@patrickwilliam3322]

What if he threatened him?

[@qaidikramuddin]

@@patrickwilliam3322 So, you're suggesting he pepper spary someone who gives a verbal threat which he clearly does not follow up with a physical altercation. And the same guy tried to walk away from the situation. You don't threaten someone then try to de-escalate. There was clearly one aggressor. And as John said, that guy had a history of anger problems and had been kicked out of many places.

[@patrickwilliam3322]

@@qaidikramuddin Absolutely you can spray someone who verbally threatens to beat you up. You don't have to wait to get punched. The black guy needs self control. You don't wander around on your phone and completely lose your place, then grab a guy's shoulder and irrationally demand it back, then probably threaten him. Black guy pulled his gun first in what was not a deadly encounter, he should have been guilty of some form of homicide if there was a threat involved.

[@patrickwilliam3322]

@tristqnejdjeh7278 No, I'm just using reason. The black guy displayed irrationality by demanding his place in line which he lost by wandering around the store. He grabbed the guy's shoulder and got in his face initially. It seems very likely he threatened him because of that context and since that's the cause of most people getting pepper sprayed. If I was a juror based on what I know now I would not convict the black guy, but there are things we don't know that could change that.

[@judeodogwu1071]

@@patrickwilliam3322 Youre just pissed off the white guy is the aggressor

[@domdrty]

That was undoubtedly self-defense. That district attorney is a turd.

[@zacharyshoemaker835]

There is a difference between self defense, and lethal self defense. You can only use force equivalent to what your being presented with. The defender is the one who escalated the confrontation to lethal force.

[@jordanchristley1306]

Lol why are you so mad he got clapped? That was completely his fault and preventable. If you're going around pepper spraying people who make you mad, you will get the same treatment. You don't get to pick consequences for fucking with people. Don't want the consequences to get out of hand? Don't start shit.@@zacharyshoemaker835

[@EXPONENTIAL-ik8uz]

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[@zacharyshoemaker835]

@@Terry-Hesticle 1. When you are carrying a gun for self defense you DO NOT look for trouble. What do I do in this situation? I DONT START IT. Losing a spot in line is losing a minute or two in life. Its not even worth talking about let alone arguing, the man was stepped a bit far back, if it bothered me nextime i'd stand closer in line. 2. If I find myself getting peppersprayed I am going to either run, ask for help, or close the distance *depending on the the situation* The problem is the defender had a gun on him. And what does Jon say? "When your only tool is a hammer, your going to use it" This was not a situation for a hammer. It did not escalate to deadly force, if he had OC spray sure have a pepperspray fight. 3. Punching someone does not equate shooting them legally. Someone can punch you and unless there is a CLEAR disparity of force you cannot legally go straight for your gun. 4. Jon, the majority of 2 juries, and the prosecutor had a problem with this defender. Why are you acting as if this is a clear cut case? Of course your going to have a overwhelming response for the self defender on a self defense channel. You have tunnel vision, not every defender is right.

[@zacharyshoemaker835]

@@Terry-Hesticle So basically switched from the point where this is legal to i dont care if it isnt legal im defending myself. I get it. At the same time im not willing to risk my butthole in prison for it. Ill accept the fact that even a minority of cops even fire their weapon in the line of duty and they are sent towards the problems. Chances of actually needimg to use a gun are miniscule at best in life. I still support the right to bear arms but i understand the risks that exist for pulling the trigger and i wont ignore them

[@AliM-gh6uz]

All while still holding the phone to his ear.. niceee 😂

[@jaysmith6013]

Holy shit man THIS SAME SITUATION HAPPENED TO ME YESTERDAY! Just a normal day shopping at Walmart, I got my groceries and head over to a self checkout. There is a line at every register, so I find the shortest one and stand in line. Then I feel a tap on my shoulder and this little dude in shorts says “Hey guy I’ve been waiting in this line you can’t just cut in front of me” I say, “sorry I didn’t see you or anyone waiting here” To which he replies “I was here the whole time” So I said “okay, go ahead” and stepped aside and let him go in front of me. But that wasn’t enough, this little bastard keeps on yapping his mouth, keeps going on and on “shit, you ain’t gonna disrespect me like that, try that shit again and see what happens” Honestly I was pretty fired up but I’ve watched this channel so much, I didn’t say anything, I literally got out of line and picked another register at the other end of the store. I checked out, loaded my bags into my car and went home, not seeing or interacting with him again. I was definitely heated, but after seeing this video it’s so easy to just let it go

[@spartanx169x]

This " you ain’t gonna disrespect me like that" has been engrained into young black men. Its this very mentality that is sending them to prison or death.

[@nukepuke932]

@@spartanx169x RACIST!! WE GOT A RACIST OVER HERE!! LOOK, SOMEONE SAID A RACIST THING!! LOOK!!! LOOOOOOOK!!!

[@donbob3343]

The moral of the story is,if you are in line,stay in line, don't go wandering off and expect that everybody saw you in line. You did the right thing by disengaging, smart man.

[@LucianI-s7z]

haha nice@@nukepuke932

[@LucianI-s7z]

next time keep your eyes open. Today they are a lot of people who overtake and dont respect cues.

[@bjyoung3009]

It all falls into the laps of these dirty district attorney's. How a jury saw this as anything but self defense is mind boggling..

[@MementoMori1001]

It's funny that people think they can interpret the law or case better than real attorneys with real job and skills in cases like this.

[@liamrmorgans921]

@@MementoMori1001so you don’t believe in having a jury decide?

[@bjyoung3009]

@@MementoMori1001 if the D.A. never pushed the case to go to court, a jury wouldn't have ever seen it.. It's also clear to see the guy on video, assault the guy with pepper spray, then pull a gun on him because said he was standing in line. No one needs to study law to understand common sense! I'm sure the justice system doesn't have any corruption to worry about. 🙄🤷

[@gamedoutgamer]

'real attourneys' that have no skin in the game and are playing lawfare as a daily game while being paid for it.

[@CFox.7]

DAs dont care - they are leach off the taxpayer

[@davidswanson5669]

The fact that twice there was a majority of citizens wanting to convict him, tells me to never live in that state.

[@m.danielmills7091]

And what's crazy is this in in Virginia

[@byronstansberry1638]

In Texas we'd build a statue of all black man!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@kanjo4976]

There seems to be such a small window for self defense. “Run and run hard” is the key quote.

[@googoat]

The fact people even wanted to convict this man is disgusting

[@Addicted2Antlers804]

Espeacilly with this video as evidence. Honestly though virginia is one of those places that want to charge people that defend themselves more than the violent instigators. I’m happy he won both fights.

[@sibsart2039]

They scare good and moral people from defending themselves by punishing them for doing so. They done want people capable of doing so because they aren’t capable and want to bring us down.

[@kdavison6885]

Its The south. If it was the black guy that was aggressively chasing the other dude and got killed. Self defense, no trials. Every member of grand jury that voted to indict.. horrible.

[@jerrymason7887]

He kinda deserved to be convicted.

First, I doubt that any of the jury carried concealed, and even less of them have ever experienced what a person goes through after being pepper sprayed. However, I do think that the guy in black provoked the situation. I would not have argued over a place in line no matter how much of a beating my ego took.

[@Asildriez]

Thank you to the man in all black for keeping our streets safe.

[@jason200912]

The black man in all black saved the day

[@heresy3573]

@@jason200912race doesn’t matter stop bringing up race for no reason we are all human

[@shadowballen6463]

How broken is our system when someone attacks you... you are tried twice for defending yourself... They wanted to punish this man for public reaction not for justice.

[@scotthaydon6050]

Unfortunately it's not the system, but the screwed up brains of individuals. The system didn't convict him, but the insane behavior of a single prosecutor to go through with this, is the problem.

[@ShpanMan]

Uhh did you not listen at all to what John said? He perfectly explained how this man was at fault, was not at risk to his life but escalated the conflict.

[@hiltonlive32grnrngr]

Racism, actually. I'm confident enough to bet money had their positions been reversed the other guy would not have even been arrested let alone charged. Racist DAs and prosecutors doing the most as always.

[@shadowballen6463]

@@ShpanMan If a man is willing to pepper spray you over a spot in line.. do you really not think he would rise to the level of lethal for any other minute reason?? The vic was defenseless and had just been assaulted so he pulled his firearm to PREVENT further attack. John also said he began to disengage afterward so he was not wanting to escalate the situation.... Hate to be the one to tell you just because John said it.. doesn't make it scripture. It is one mans interpretation of the situation. so "uhh" yeah I did listen and even watched... its called having my own interpretation of events. Oh, and so did the jury... twice...

[@darrylgibson3575]

@@shadowballen6463 well said 👏

[@blueturtle8113]

Guy in the black is a badass!! Imagine being pepper sprayed and still winning a gun fight! God bless you sir

[@Hugo-Hernandez]

The guy in shorts got what we deserve. The black man gets away and the other guy still chase him down. The black man pulls out his firearm walks away and the other man decides to still chase him. That was BS on the DA to try to prosecute him and try twice.

[@tjsloyan]

Totally.

[@KiTA-]

If dude was able to be provoked that easily and attack people for no reason then he was never meant to be alive. That guy is a danger to society.

[@kennethcurtis1856]

Was a danger

[@HenryBabcock]

He was alive though, so... reality kind of contradicts your thesis here.

[@fakefriendocrat9324]

@@HenryBabcockHe didn’t want to be alive anymore so he found out how to abbreviate his life span. By effing around.

[@GaryUSMCvet]

Pepper spray guy is exactly where he needs to be. You don't get to fire pepper spray because you're pissed off.

[@FreeFromHer]

I read he was a cop too lol

[@union1082]

This is a perfect example of how messed up the justice system can be sometimes.

[@nurseqtips1610]

Exactly! Completely backward times.

[@cameronhooper601]

Sometimes? 😂

[@johnlase4376]

not sometimes, most times. i hate to admit it but reason why this man was going to go to jail is for being black shooting a white male

[@union1082]

@@johnlase4376 facts

[@JediOfTheRepublic]

It's not a justice system, it's a legal system

[@jmyrt5118]

Winning a gun fight with pepper spray in your eye is strong work

[@Oregon321]

They didn’t want to convict the man. They just wanted to send a message that defending yourself with a firearm will put you in prison. This man was in the crosshairs of a anti gun lawyer.

[@kfrerix9777]

Nah. He was an armed black American. That sentence holds their motivation.

[@BricenTheDisciple]

known plenty of white foos and mexican foos who went to jail for guns still in there@@kfrerix9777

[@ryang3225]

@@kfrerix9777nah

[@bogard887]

They did want to convict him. He clearly said that he got guilty votes both times more guilty votes the second time. If he was a Caucasian then the police wouldn't have even charged him

[@ZenityStudios]

@@kfrerix9777no one cares about someone’s race dude give it up already

[@GLC619]

They showed us this footage in my CCW course in SoCal . The guy in shorts was an off duty cop and the guy on the phone was a legal CCW holder . Our instructor told us that using OC spray offensively can be considered deadly force because it can incapacitate the victim and leave them defenseless against the aggressor. He cited a case in downtown San Diego where a guy was spraying tourists with OC spray and robbing them of their belongings. Unable to see they could not tell authorities which direction the perp had ran off to or let alone provide a description of the suspect. This went on for some time until the serial robber OC sprayed the wrong off duty CBP agent and suspect took the sidewalk temperature challenge.

[@Form44208]

@GLC619 Do you remember what year that was for the spraying of tourists in San Diego?

[@GLC619]

@@Form44208I don’t I tried googling it but only one article came up for 2011 no serious injuries

[@Christopher_Chris]

Big surprise that the guy was a cop... Explains the behavior. Explains the prosecutor's decision to prosecute.

[@GLC619]

@@Christopher_Chris The instructor says you wouldn’t believe the texts that were brought up during the trial, one in particular was along the lines of “so&so gets on my nerves hopes he gets shot on patrol” or “I hate the boss I want to unalive him” bunch of mean spirited stuff about his own coworkers lol . He used this point to emphasize to be cautious of what you text or put out on the web cause it can all be subpoenaed after the incident

[@sunneblues]

@@Christopher_Chris really explained it! That critical piece of information made it make sense (eye roll forever). Oure laughable pledge: ."....with liberty and justice for all" FALSE narrative.

[@rogde5985]

The guy in the shorts not only escalated to physical violence, he then tracked the victim down after the victim disengaged and created distance. The fact the victim drew his gun is a minor escalation if at all. He was assuming a defensive position to prevent further attacks. Seeing how the aggressor pressed the attack that was a good call. If the offender sprayed him and walked away he’d likely still be alive with some minor legal issues….Even after seeing the victim with gun drawn he still had the choice to run away, we see what he chose to do instead. Sad to hear so many brainwashed jurors voted for conviction but glad he went free in the end.

[@zacharyshoemaker835]

Nope as soon as the man drew his gun he put lethal force on the table. It doesn't matter if shorts was following him, it is an escalation of force, which in turn caused shorts to draw to defend himself. Shorts was wrong 100%, but was drawing in response to being drawd on wrong? He was presented with lethal force, and had reason that his life was in danger as he had just OC sprayed the man so he fears retaliation. Both parties were wrong and one is dead. Although he avoided a murder charge, he is still 100,000's of dollars in debt. It just shows that it is NEVER worth drawing a firearm unless you are in CLEAR risk of death.

[@justwatchfor10min87]

@@zacharyshoemaker835your wrong. What if he had seen the guy in the shorts firearm or he had threatened him with it you dont know. Not to mention if someone is coming at you with pepper spray in most states it is legal to draw your firearm and issue commands the guy was trying to gwt away from the aggressor the aggressor knew he did not need to draw his gun and could have easily ran away when he saw the gun he wanted this and by no means should he have drawn his gun here he should have pleaded with the man and apologized or ran and he would have 10000% lived but he didnt and 1000% died

[@wuutnopepe613]

​@@zacharyshoemaker835you have never fought in your life

[@zacharyshoemaker835]

@@justwatchfor10min87 1. if he saw the guy had a gun, he would have used in in his defense. 2. "He might have had a gun" Anyone can HAVE a gun. CCW is legal. Therefore saying you shot someone because they MIGHT have a gun is a loose defense. Im not risking years of my life and my bootyhole in prison on a LOOSE defense.

[@zacharyshoemaker835]

@@wuutnopepe613 I have been in a fight. First thing ill tell you is punches to the skull dont really hurt, a straight punch to the nose however will definatley daze you for a couple seconds.

[@kaiii_3_3_3]

Thank you for covering this properly man, it be easy to ignore the story. A lot of people in the comments don’t see this type of video, there’s so many of them.

[@LoveDemGuns]

DA should take the courtroom floor temperature challenge

[@NidgeDFX]

The fact he had to go to trial is the sad part of it all. Imagine being judged by hindsight people who weren't there and no adrenaline dump

[@RejectOneWorldGov]

And in todays society a jury can literally be paid for and even if not they are still people of TODAYS society. Look at Covid, people are complacent sheep. People literally vote to destroy the foundational principles this country was founded on. The Constitution is only as strong as the people of the country.

[@LMoney4]

Yup and if he had USCCA they would have refused to fund his legal defense.

[@Agouti23]

​@@LMoney4and why is that?

[@craigsped]

Exactly. Self defense is not what it was 10 or 15 years ago. Today self defense is whatever the mob convinces a District Attorney it is. (Think Daniel Penny.) There are many criminals today who use OC spray as an offensive weapon as a preliminary part of an attack. Once they have you immobilized and vulnerable, they can then proceed with phase 2 of the attack with a knife, clubbing device, or a physical beat down. If you were to go up to an armed security guard who is delivering $100,000 to a bank, and pepper spray him, chances are you’re going to eat some lead.

[@LMoney4]

@@Agouti23 USCCA doesn't automatically cover their paid members after a shooting. They don't wait on a trial to determine if it's self defense. They make that decision before it ever goes to court. If USCCA decides they don't think it's "self defense", they refuse to pay legal defense fees for paid members.

[@prodsossy8368]

How anyone could see this as murder is beyond me.

[@Aaronbillydatstar]

Right

[@Tomorrison28]

A lot of people think deadly force is automatically wrong no matter what. Scary stuff

[@cantbsdave]

Right the only way your innocent is if you get killed by not defending yourself. @Hexmod369

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

Yet you see George Floyd's overdose death as two murders lol.

[@davidbanner9851]

Well, he drew a gun first, and he killed him. It’s not TOTALLY insane to call it murder🤷‍♂️. But don’t assault me with comments…i would have acquitted him, too, at the end of the day…

[@usmantariq7997]

Apply this same situation to Police. If a cop was pepper sprayed for no reason, pulls out his firearm in response and then saw the guy pulling out a gun, the cop would not have waited for him to point or even given him commands to drop it. He would've shot him straight away because when you're already blinded by pepper spray, you're not in liberty to take any chances. You can see in the video, when the guy in black started chasing him, the other guy didn't go for the exit, he circled around which means he was going to shoot back. Our guy made the right decision. I'm so glad that the charges were dropped against him.

[@facestabber51]

Has to be an anti concealed carry DA trying to make a point to discourage citizens. They are only comfortable with govt agents carrying a gun. Sad

Yup.

[@TheUnderDogUzumaki]

Bravo!!

[@bchearne]

Yes, but police don’t have a duty to retreat if possible from a deadly confrontation. That being said, the defender was trying to retreat and the aggressor pursued him

[@emailshe]

Cop would be put on paid administrative leave, paid vacation

[@TheInternet1993]

Pharmacy Temperature Challenge 😂😂😂😂

[@adventurfly879]

He clearly was trying to get away from the guy. Its crazy a jury could see that and some of them wanted to see this guy rot in jail. Unbelievable

[@bigred7238]

He should have left not circle back and chase him down and shoot him this was murder however the sob got what was coming to him you cant spray someone and think no one would do anything about it now 2 idiots are off the street

[@adventurfly879]

@@bigred7238 that was not murder bud. He was clearly in fear of his life and had been pepper sprayed. Your assessment is just flat out wrong. And he's not off the street. He's free. And the other moron is dead as a door nail.

[@kennethcurtis1856]

The defender chased perp down. I would say that is why he was charged.

[@adventurfly879]

@kennethcurtis1856 that was after the guy pulled a gun. What would you do? I'd end it if possible or die at that point. Which left him little choice. Which is also why he is a free man.

[@GaryUSMCvet]

@@kennethcurtis1856 Man, go watch the video again. The victim retreated away from the perp, the perp followed, only separated by that merchandise. The perp pulled his weapon, so the man with a face full of OC spray should've not defended himself. You can't be serious.

[@tylerk.7947]

Was there a potential way to de-escalate the situation? Yeah, possibly. Do I think what he did was justified? Absolutely. This man did a service to society as a whole.

[@jackberdine]

I don't see a way to de-escalate while somebody is taunting you and you can't see them because they pepper sprayed you. This dude needed a better lawyer. The victim had absolutely no way to determine whether or not the attacker was going to continue attacking him. I think 99% of people would react like this if armed.

[@michaelmccaine]

he de-escalated when he walked away initially.

[@westsider1442]

@@jackberdine OC spray isn't deadly and you should only use firearm in deadly situations.

[@BHarris25]

@@westsider1442 seems like OC spray is pretty deadly since he used it and died.

[@raykings5244]

​@@jackberdineThere were several de-escalation routes. Leaving the store, getting behind and putting good defense behind the guy. It wasn't impossible. Pride is near worthless in that situation but people will value it over there lives.

[@abcdefg6906]

There's one reason that this guy was tried twice for murder, we all know what it is and it's disgusting.

[@DwizzJr]

It really is..

[@chinonetprofit7362]

On good bro say it it’s bc he is 👻

[@FreeFromHer]

We know but it is fun watching the comment section use mental gymnastics rather than just call a spade a spade

[@emlh5423]

100% - if their races were swapped..probably wouldn't have even went to trial

[@mbmb327]

He was tried twice cause he was black..no mystery

[@johnharris7756]

This dude did not deserve to be pepper sprayed! I’m so glad it resulted in the way it did, despite the unfair prosecution against him. I hope he is doing well in life after this

[@keehnslaw24]

I cannot even begin to explain how upset it makes me that the DA would even decide to pick up charges on this guy. He did absolutely nothing at all wrong. That right there, my friends, is a DA that doesn't fully understand that We The People have the right to defend ourselves. After the second acquittal I would hope that the constituents of his County/State remember what he tried to do to this self-defender when election time rolls around and choose to vote in someone that knows how to better serve the community.

[@Jamarraquad]

racism

[@ballsack8937]

Where's this da working? Like what state and city

[@keehnslaw24]

@@ballsack8937 I don't recall what it said in the video but I can tell you this, they need to be in unemployment line soon.

[@mikeswanson6145]

Da/ prosecutor obviously have not been OC'd in the face. He got sprayed 3 times , walked away and shorts dude was still following him.

[@neutralcommenter7800]

I don't think it's correct to say "he did absolutely nothing at all wrong". He chased the guy down and aisle, around the corner and back down another aisle. I agree with Jon that this was not a "beyond any reasonable doubt" case so would have voted not guilty, but the justified shooting is not "clear cut".

[@braveheart9097]

Honestly, that guy should NOT have been charged with anything in the first place.

[@codyritner3826]

I mean... that dude was definitely not in line lol.

[@martinpadilla5224]

😂

[@byronstansberry1638]

True he was never in line, but SHORTS is in line to play frisbee with JFK TODAY!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Road_Work_Ahead]

How would this have gone for shorts guy, had he won instead? Life? 10 years? Self defense? Heck, a mistrial? It's nuts that the defender was tried, twice, for murder. Disgusting justice system.

[@casualyoutubewatcher9753]

Who knows, good question though

[@zacharyshoemaker835]

If your in a barfight. You hit the guy, he draws a gun, Is it wrong for you to draw your gun and kill him? I think he would be fine. Both were wrong but the defender escalated it to lethal.

[@sj3881]

@@zacharyshoemaker835you seem like a soy boy beta.

[@wuutnopepe613]

​@@zacharyshoemaker835thing is, that's not how reality works. Who knows what the guy in shorts was going to do after pepper spraying him? He was following. If the other guy attacked him, the pepper spray guy could've grab his gun right away

[@mariofernandez6930]

​@zacharyshoemaker835 escalated? You mean like oc spraying someone not looking at you then backing them into a corner?

[@Drew4078]

This is terrifying! That man OBVIOUSLY defended himself lawfully!

[@aebalc]

It is not so obvious, that is why the jury was split.

[@SilencedByYoutube]

@@aebalc Well just like how the narrator gave us the story, in court the prosecutor and defense attorneys would have done the same. Obviously they didn't just play the video and had the jury guess what happened. Shame on each one of those jury members for entering a guilty verdict.

[@BadDrucifer]

He's black thats why.

[@earthenscience]

@@aebalc obvious biased and racist jury

[@aintrunnin6608]

​@@SilencedByKZbinshame on the stupid @ss jury for putting not guilty yall are some twisted idiots

[@CarpeNoctem135]

People are such jack offs anymore, and it’s crazy that you can be chased and assaulted but not allowed to defend yourself

[@RejectOneWorldGov]

Its disgusting

[@Hmongbookie]

The deceased was totally in the wrong.. but myself.. I would have just let the man take my spot.. I’m not one who likes to escalate things because shit like this happens to often

[@RamboOnYaMom]

@@Hmongbookiehe was 100000% in the wrong

[@ericadventuresafieldafloat513]

@@Hmongbookie They were BOTH wrong. I had a dude come out of nowhere when I was standing in a long line saying I'd taken his spot. I told him to get lost.

[@papimaximus95]

@@ericadventuresafieldafloat513 "I told him to get lost." And yet you did not get into a gunfight.

[@DNeeds]

Little angry guy went stiff, legs crossed for the challenge.😂

[@treasurethetime2463]

How this case is even debatable is scary. When you go to Walmart and you see the people there and imagine that pedigree of people deciding your fate you should wake up in a cold sweat. DA are some of the most ignorant people on the planet when it comes to real life violence. Watching videos, reading case law and interviewing people is completely different from being involved in a chaotic situation YOURSELF. Someone pepper sprayed you after a brief exchange of words in a drug store for no apparent reason? You are almost blind and must assume this individual is unhinged and intent on doing you harm.

[@strtkempo]

I'm definitely on the side of the defender. Dude had oc spray and a gun. Had he not pulled his own gun I think the attacker would have hurt him bad considering he was incapacitated by the OC. Bravo Jury!

[@robertsaget9697]

We can't judge a situation by what might happen. If that's the standard then anyone could shoot anyone for anything. A person holding a pen would be justification to start blasting. There has to be a reasonable belief of death or GBH. The guy hunting him down after OC'ing him made him the aggressor but its muddy whether that being OC'ed and hunted creates a reasonable belief of death or GBH. I think the jury got it right though.

[@itsjakewhatwhat]

The guy who died was a former police officer and also didn’t have a permit for his gun. The former pretty much explains why the State considered him a victim instead of an instigator.

[@eth.3296]

Ooooooh😲

[@bill944]

A couple of things I noticed. The guy that was supposedly "in line", wasn't. He was wondering around and clearly not in line and especially when the other guy got to the line. It also appeared that the guy in shorts used the OC spray without being provoked. Guy in the shorts got what he deserved at the end of the day.

[@AbsoluteJ-uu2tz]

It’s horrible someone lost their life over something so trivial. It’s also horrible that people have eyes to see but are still blind

[@mychiisup37]

"Gun fight ain't about who's right, it's about whose left!" You killed em with that one John!

[@ejn1011]

My jaw is on the floor. I am stunned by the situation itself escalating the way it did. Even more stunned he was charged. Even even more stunned he had to sit through two trials!

[@Carminocat]

He shouldn't have pulled his gun. call the police and that guy gets charged.

[@RejectOneWorldGov]

NO, the person that sprayed the guy in the face escalated the conflict, and its not so much the spray itself, its the fact that I dont know what you are going to do to me AFTER you have blinded me with the spray. Im almost completely incompacitated, and I am in fear of my life.

[@mannyfabin1850]

Exactly. Followed the guy after spraying him. Guy in shorts found out the hard way . No sympathy for him.

[@Bflatest]

the black guys life was not in jeopardy he just got sprayed. He should never be allowed to have a gun

[@spartanx169x]

@@Bflatest He had no possible way to know that at the time. He only knew he was being directly threatened.

[@ericadventuresafieldafloat513]

@@Bflatest He actually initiated the whole thing. He couldn't stroll around the store and talk to his mommy before or after getting his meds?

[@pigpenstrikes9400]

​@@BflatestThe Bill of Rights disagrees with you. Everyone has the right to defend themselves from an attacker.

[@homerodaniel_007]

6:12 he displayed the gun because he was being chased and was also under the effect of the spray. The attacker was up to no good.

[@philscollection5481]

It seemed that the guy in the shorts got what he wanted. Glad to see that some of the jurors were level headed. 👌

[@walterflores6712]

the fact they prosecuted this gentleman TWICE for basically self-defense baffles me

[@luciferfire1575]

He's black.

[@CMP-st5wh]

@luciferfire1575 which is why he strolled out of court a free man. Twice.

[@luciferfire1575]

@@CMP-st5wh He strolled out of court a free man after spending his life savings on lawyers. Just for a judge to come to an obvious conclusion.

[@Regular689]

@@luciferfire1575you should be able to sue the agitator guys family and kids

[@lencicollier6492]

@@luciferfire1575 POINT BLANK!… 💯

[@melsop54]

Our justice system is no longer about justice, but ensuring who you simply wish to be prosecuted being prosecuted and convicted.

[@blastedontape]

except it worked as intended, a jury of his peers agreed with him and defeated beyoind a reasonable doubt

[@MementoMori1001]

The black dude is clearly at fault here. If he didn't introduce deadly weapon, there would be no gun fight. It's like someone slaps you and you retaliated by shooting or stabbing the person.

[@GaryUSMCvet]

​@@MementoMori1001What? Did you watch that video with one eye closed? Had the deceased never used pepper spray, he wouldn't be dead. The black guy walked away from that fool just before getting pepper to the face.

[@MementoMori1001]

@@GaryUSMCvet so if someone used pepper spray on you or even just punch you, you just use your gun and call it self defense? No wonder the rest of the world is laughing at your 2nd amendment fanaticism.

[@MementoMori1001]

@@GaryUSMCvet unless of course, you think you're smarter when it comes to interpreting the law than these real lawyers/juries which isn't the case.

[@tristonthomasmusic]

Whatever state that’s laws allowed this prosecutor any time in a courtroom for this case is not a safe state to live period.

[@brettstarks1846]

I’m not a gun person myself, but if you instigate with people and attack them, then what happens to you happens to you. Same thing with that KZbin prankster who got blasted at that mall.

[@bryanb3352]

I'm still amazed the prankster shooter was acquitted of the most serious charge. I didn't see anything in that video that justified the use of deadly force. I'm not sure there was even justification for drawing a gun.

[@TheInsomniarules]

⁠@@bryanb3352I think we’d have to be there… I don’t know how I’d react if I’m pepper sprayed, then followed as I try to walk away. I can’t see, I can’t really run, the guy’s still following me… I don’t know what that guy’s trying to do to me, because it didn’t end when I tried to walk away… I’d say I’d be scared for my life to be honest. I’d at least pull out my gun to make the guy stop chasing me, that caused the other guy to pull out his gun… now there is only one option. I think I would see it differently if he had gotten pepper sprayed, walked away, the guy stayed in line and the shooter came back a minute later and shot him as revenge.

[@TheInsomniarules]

@@bryanb3352oh my bad I just realized you were talking about a different event… what prankster are we talking about? Is there a video?

[@brettstarks1846]

@@TheInsomniarules Look up “Tanner Cook.”

[@brettstarks1846]

@@bryanb3352 I suspect there was some juror nullification going on. I wouldn’t have pulled a gun on the prankster myself - I don’t even own one - but if I were on that jury, I too would vote to acquit.

[@trinitycarroll256]

As a police officer let me give you guys a big indication someone either has a gun or they are a train fighter. Whenever your in an argument and the person is quick to escalate to the point it seems like they want to get violent. They have a gun or they are a train fighter. There are people out there that can't wait to use their weapon and these are the things they do.

[@jwil2414]

​@@NnjklgfxxvcBlack shirt guy wasn't looking for a fight, he was on his phone until he got sprayed. Someone looking for a fight would of gotten off the phone.

[@flexinclouds]

​@@keagan87😂😂😂

[@flexinclouds]

Yep.. thats always been my thought. I once passed a guy on a narrow side street, (where typically both cars move over to not hit head on).. but he just flew right by in the middle, so I gave a ½ second honk. Just for him to slam his breaks, do a u-turn, and begin aggressively chasing/trying to hit my fiance & I. The nutjob was driving in oncoming traffic just to try getting on the side of/in front of us..(which i tried to prevent as long as i could) And the whole time he's laying on his horn, speeding up to ram us etc. So we call 911 to see if they can help, give his description, plate # etc. Finally got to the point where he nearly hits another car while passing us, and then brake checks us till were at a standstill in the road. And while he's cussing & yelling out his window, im trying to get around & away from him.. And he repeatedly swerves to block us from getting away (traffic had blocked us from reversing). So being in a Yukon, i resort to hopping a curb & cut thru someone's lawn to finally get away & turn off that street. But I had no doubt this guy either had a gun & felt brave.. or was doped up on something. And I didnt own a gun yet so thankfully it didnt escalate even more.😬

[@ps5andseriesx]

😅@@keagan87

[@ogearbox6132]

@@NnjklgfxxvcI agree, living in an open carry state with “Will issue” CCP laws, politeness and a courteous demeanor with all social interactions is a must. I am former military and familiar with weapons and fighting. Whenever I am in any public venue and the end of the line is unclear I always ask those around if they are in line or not. I do this in a socially acceptable manner so as to be sure I don’t step on anyone’s toes. Also if someone says they were there already I step aside for them. Too many entitleds of all stripes to quibble over silly stuff. No matter how big you are or how well you can defend yourself there will always be one who is quicker, crazier, or on some drug. As self defense instructors say , if you can withdraw and or run away do it. Now in our upside down country where DA’s just make up stuff or have a political agenda, reading a room and withdrawing prior to, is the way to go.

[@johnpalmer9774]

And he will forever live with the thought, “what if they’re looking for more evidence to try me a third time?” Poor guy

[@myblacklab7]

I hate when KZbinrs say things like "as your friend." If you're my friend, lend me $50 - you know I'll pay you back, because we're friends, right?

[@generichuman2044]

Sometimes you can't win. The defender said a few words and backed off when it wasn't working. Then he's pepper sprayed without warning and only brandishes. He did what he could to not use lethal force. Definitely not murder

[@ranubis5818]

@@atrocious_pr0xywhy bc he’s black? I don’t see any body language showing he started anything but a hey you cut me okay your kind of a coocoo sorry and then get sprayed with a firearm on em. What happens when he take his firearm. He already had one but what if and then he continues to shoot and spray bc well he already started it with his anger. Good riddance to the people who make us look bad for having fire arms.

[@ericadventuresafieldafloat513]

@@atrocious_pr0xy I'd assume he had his big mouth running. The reason he walked in front of the guy as a taunt. Perfect storm of 2 idiots crossing paths.

[@jungletek]

@@ericadventuresafieldafloat513Bro you and the dead dude are the only idiots I see here so far.

[@Zergling.]

@@ranubis5818 Common man we are all already pass that black card here, we are adults in this youtube section ok. About what the other guy said, what in my opinion he is trying to convey is what the black shirt was thinking before he drew the gun, was he thinking of defending or to kill? did he wanted to kill this guy and was happy to do it or not? its hard to know the intention of someone but sometimes theres audio and in some videos you can clearly see that someone just wants to shoot people. Its the like the expression, ( He waited all is life to use that gun) more or less like that. I do think he drawing a gun and backing out was what helped not being convicted, and not knowing the intention and history of someone i will do the same and not convict the guy with the information on hand.

[@50mile.entertainment]

@@ericadventuresafieldafloat513 bro you’re a 🤡 you don’t even know the man yet you’re assuming he was the one making threats Whe the guy in white shorts HAS A HISTORY OF AGGRESSION! You’re bias Af and definitely a racist I hope you get exposed in real life.

[@rvjackpot1971]

I let a guy go in front of me because he had a little girl who was clearly sick. She was crying and he needed to get her medicine, so I told him to go ahead. After he was done he turned around and thanked me. Just thankful that he wasn’t a jerk like this guy.

[@Jedi_Obi-Wan]

That is absolutely insane to hear this poor guy was prosecuted not once but twice. The video clearly shows the guy on the phone was not the aggressor or trying to get into an altercation.

[@KaiTakApproach]

Full marks to the Jurors who refused to find the Defendant guilty.

[@theunclepatriot]

He found exactly what he was looking for. Now sue the DA for malicious prosecution.

[@ilovecops5499]

Prosecutors usually have absolute immunity.

[@Ken-xv4sb]

Not gonna happen. One .. the prosecution had a clear case (whether we agree with him is irrelevant). This wasn't malicious. As said above, you have to really have some hardcore evidence of prosecutorial misconduct to go after them... and like I said, this case had plenty of evidence of a crime. That's why the jury hung twice in favor of conviction. I wouldn't have prosecuted him, but that doesn't mean the prosecutor who did, did something wrong.

[@GaryUSMCvet]

​@@Ken-xv4sbReally? Who committed the first crime? Hint: OC spray victim had his back to the dead fella, turned around and got a face full of spray. The OC spray attacker then advances in the same direction as the OC spray victim, only separated by that merchandise.

[@Ken-xv4sb]

@@GaryUSMCvet You need to rearead what I said. I don't disagree with any of that, so your "hint", much like your post, is useless. I was addressing suing the prosecutor for malicious prosecution and didn't really say much about the actual shooting at all. That is an EXTREMELY high bar to get over, and this case is not even close. A prosecutor has a lot of discretion on when to charge and not charge a person with a crime. In this case, for whatever reason, he chose to charge the person. Whether I agree or not, it's his decision. A case of malicious prosecution would immediately fail on the simple grounds that after 2 trials, the jury hung both times, and both times were in favor of convicting the shooter. Again, I don't agree, but it showed whatever case the prosecutor was putting on, was at least somewhat convincing to the jury.

[@letsroll404]

I retired with 37 years as a LEO, and I can promise you that much of our social/societal issues stems from inept /progressive judges, DA's & prosecutors cutting deals resulting in the revolving door criminals.

[@Robett-r4l]

As a citizen of the United States I can promise you that much of our social issues stems from from law enforcement not being held accountable for their treasonous Acts along with ignorant conservative lawmakers ignorant conservative prosecutors ignorant conservative judges and ignorant conservative cops that have no clue what the law is and proved every day they hate the Constitution the USA just like you did when you were a cop. How many bad cops did you arrest? But thanks for telling everybody that you're part of the problem

[@DYLAN102001]

I don't think you are gonna get an argument from a intelligent person on that point.

[@gamedoutgamer]

Yes but does that apply in this case? Seems not. Prosecutor's actions are an attempt to deny his (and our) right to self defense.

[@carlocartier7082]

What does this have to do with this situation are saying the thug in the shorts should've been in jail

[@zitiboylilo5789]

What does that have to do with this video though ? Lmao 😂 you mfs will POLITICIZE everything!

[@brianjohnson3444]

You're blinded by a burning chemical sprayed into your eyes. You retreat. The person who assaulted you follows. At what point in all of this do you think your life couldn't be in jeopardy? He was just assaulted and he wasn't suppose to feel threatened? Ok...continue.

[@henrybarrientos3373]

I bet you that guy with the spray was Cuban. Lol😂.

[@rema11769]

You are sentenced for not letting the other person kill you.....

[@TheOzzyFilms]

Man I bet the pharmacy temp challenge is cold as HELL

[@twntwn7123]

I remember when this happened, it’s been YEARS NOW. But he definitely had the right to defend himself, nor did he do anything to warrant being OC SPRAYED

[@G.Uppercut123]

The dude in black trusted his intuition. After being pepper sprayed, He pulled out his weapon trusting that this psycho probably had a gun too… and he was right. Who goes to the market with OC + a firearm + a poor attitude like that This shorts dude was a ticking time bomb

[@charlesbarkely3021]

that guy is the embodiment of if all you carry is a hammer everything looks like a nail

[@skjortan]

Spot on

[@TreyMazi]

We all know EXACTLY why he kept being prosecuted for defending himself...doesn't take a rocket scientist

[@eth.3296]

Yep - Because he was truly "the man in black".

[@obliv8534]

😂 so sad but true

[@dexterwestin3747]

This is a reach - this kind of injustice has worked the other way to many times.

[@walkermistele]

Yeah I don’t usually hop on the race bandwagon but this definitely screams racially motivated on top of the DOJ absolutely compromised in this country

[@FASTSIGNS2278]

Oh yeah...? Tell us.

[@downnout9893]

This is so sad that this man has to go through this.

[@jtakesnols]

He’s black, think about how many other black men defended themselves just like this and were fucked off with nothing no youtube vids no news stories nothing just gone.

[@jimvick8397]

When assholes collide...

[@Off-target-xy6bx]

Looks justified to me. He was completely in defensive mode and has every right to protect himself. I would call that a defensive display of a firearm and the aggressor chose to draw on him instead of leave him alone. If I’m on the jury I think the initial aggressor would also be obligated to break contact with someone who is try to break contact instead of following him and drawing his gun. The defender was always in retreat and should not have been tried. Definitely a good lesson.

[@SolvingTornadoes]

The old me might have ended up like either of these guys. The "now" me would have politely let the other guy get in front of me in line. Thanks John for your assistance in helping me be the "now" me.

[@e.m.5499]

Nuts! How a jury could even come close to conviction is beyond me.

[@beng4647]

Split is not close

[@hnhgnjj6078]

@@beng4647”more people voted guilty than not”

[@Upsideround]

Black man with a history in Virginia. He was guilty to some when he walked in the court room

[@AmonAnon-vw3hr]

@Upsideround exactly wrong lol. In America it's the opposite. "Black man with history of violence always innocent" is the rule of the land.

[@11derekknotek]

Had the black shirt guy thrown hands, he would have been the next Trayvon Martin.

[@386choppa]

I bet he would have walked

[@bradleymyers5030]

That dude in all black never stopped taking on his phone during the whole altercation, that must have been a really important phone call.

[@ericadventuresafieldafloat513]

@@SmickyD So, if your a grown ass man and your talking to your mommy on the phone, you can just stroll around the store with your spot reserved in a check out line? Hopefully, you'll keep that in mind the next time your in a hurry, get in a line and someone comes up and cuts in front of you cause they had that spot "reserved" but wuz talking to their "mom" on their phone.

[@Tommy-op7yh]

@@ericadventuresafieldafloat513 the guy that died in the video was your buttbuddy wasnt he?? 😭sorry for your loss

[@ericadventuresafieldafloat513]

@@Tommy-op7yh C'mon "clown", you were his weenie-washer, admit it. You should be able to talk more freely now. 😮

[@buddhaway]

'Gunfights aren't about who's right, they're about who's left.' Can we just take a minute to applaud John's witicisms? 👏 That said... I'm a little surprised at John's take on this- the defender didn't immediately draw a gun. He tried to get away and the attacker followed him. The defender was diminished from the oc spray and even after he drew his gun, he was still trying to get away. He had every reason to fear this attacker pursuing him.

[@alabamaflip2053]

I see it that way too. You pepper spray me as an offensive move and keep coming after me then I have no choice but to think, What's next?

[@Devoted_Catholic777]

@@alabamaflip2053 a fight... fights usually aren’t grounds to murder someone

[@nyeahgarner2420]

​@Devoted_Catholic777 He was incapacitated, that's why he drew his gun. For a moment, he didn't know what was happening other than he's being attacked. The offender could have found or pulled a weapon and was about to use it on him.

[@buddhaway]

@@Devoted_Catholic777 1. Not murder- he was not found guilty- twice. 2. When someone aggresses on you for nothing, partially incapacitates you with pepper spray, and pursues you as you flee, you have reasonable suspicion of great bodily harm or death. Ie, self defense. 3. The bad guy ALSO pulled a gun. All that sh!tbag needed to do to be alive today was not start and escalate a violent confrontation. Amazing that you're still defending the offender even though you saw that, on top of initiating the attack, he also had a gun. OBVIOUSLY the defender's life was truly in danger. I'm very glad it was the bad guy and not the defender who ended up leaving this world. But if he had not drawn his gun, it may well have gone the other way. Can you imagine what a crimimal free for all the world would be if everyone thought like you?

[@alabamaflip2053]

@@Devoted_Catholic777 You do know that guns were involved in this "fight". The guy laying dead was an ex-cop and got fired for his behavior as a cop. Now no one could know all that ahead of time which is why if you are peppered sprayed as an offense measure and the clown keeps coming at you then you can reason this "fight" is going to be escalated fast.