Self Defense Expert Breaks Down the Apple River Stabbing

The Apple River Stabbing verdict is in and Nicolae Miu was found guilty of reckless homicide. Many people believe this was a clear cut case of self defense... but is that based on facts or bias?
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[@3Zeddy2]

Bro, those fascists in the force did a number on your intelligence. Not guilty literally means you didn't commit the crime. You are right juries are idiots but "not guilty means not guilty of the crime" as an argument is infinitely superior to the argument "not guilty could still mean guilty". Those fascists in the force wrecked your brain buddy.

[@hard2hurt]

It uh... it doesn't though. It literally, by definition doesn't mean that. That's why they don't call the verdict "innocent." The burden of proof is "beyond a reasonable doubt." That means you only need to establish that it's _possible_ you didn't commit a crime to be found not guilty. That's all. This is a known, well established principle that they teach you on DAY ONE of any related field or area of study. You could have probably spent 45 seconds on a search engine, but instead you put your bias, ignorance and general fucktardedness on display for the entire internet. Congrats, doofus... you helped prove an important point I made in this video. Have a pin!

[@RARufus]

“Not Guilty” doesn’t mean a person has no culpability. It just means the jury finds they didn’t commit the specific crime they’re being charged with. It doesn’t mean they didn’t contribute to that crime or commit other crimes…just not those crimes the jury voted on.

[@cristianortiz-il9jg]

Bro wtf are you yapping about

[@chrisjones6002]

Ouch, next time maybe don't comment on something you don't understand.

[@xcd87]

Not guilty means not enough evidence beyond reasonable doubt to prove the alleged crime.

[@KBP18]

“There are very few problems that can’t be solved by closing your mouth and leaving” - A Wise Man

[@nonsense2369]

Right? Self defense is based around distance and space. You have so much to use. First like if defense is using it to walk away.

[@davonbooker2752]

And more than likely a dead man?!?

[@pstarxxx78]

Have you ever tried closing your mouth and walking away from your wife…. lol that never works.

[@jasonbare3472]

​@@pstarxxx78shut up

[@TheJarlath9]

​​​@@pstarxxx78sounds like u got a pitbull for a wife becouse i walk away and close my mouth and that saved me marrige. Sometimes things get heated but after a walk u realise it was never that serious

[@ASMRDoodlez]

"Juries are 12 random-ass people with questionable intelligence." And the lawyers make sure the second part is true.

[@Mwstmrlnd]

There are valid criticisms of the justice system but this one is just silly. Neither side wants a jury full of 12 idiots. Bare minimum, in most cases you want rational, average people so that you have a baseline to pitch your case to. So much of our legal system is based around what most reasonable people would do in a given situation, so you generally want reasonable jurors. The voir dire process is more about dismissing jurors who you think are unfavorable in their opinions, and that's the reason both sides are allowed input.

[@Jcs57]

@@MwstmrlndThank you, when I read his comment I thought in his world then he would be a perfect candidate for jury duty.

[@kingtrance307]

@@Jcs57 - Well it sure as hell shouldn’t be you… 😂

[@shushmebro3845]

It’s true. Remember that the average person isn’t very intelligent, and then half of the people out there are less intelligent than that.

[@glenforde6558]

This jury wasn't very smart, and they were comprised of people who lived in the same town as the man that died.

[@0170barney]

"Everyone's a gangster until they get stabbed in the face" - Knife Tyson

[@ayeshausamaarshad2258]

And gets his rest 0f life in prison with big ass dude 😎

[@schnozz87]

Mike Knifeson

[@Bruce685]

@@ayeshausamaarshad2258lets see your reaction when 13 drunk dudes go against you.

[@agustin621]

​@@ayeshausamaarshad2258 Yes, but he still alive, and still can get out of prison.

[@aprilcampbell9747]

“have you met people??” Nuff said.

[@TechandTools1]

That's exactly what I thought too!!!

[@DrunkDuckXD]

this

[@tomb2289]

Very sadly very true

[@absolutelyfookinnobody2843]

Like you guys?

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Funny thing is I have heard many speak on this and no one thinks Miu was guilty.

[@nschlaak]

The 70s TV show Kung Fu had a mantra that went something like this and I've put it into practice. "It's better to walk away than to fight, it's better to fight than to injure, it's better to injure than maim, it's better to maim than to kill, it's better to kill than to be killed." Walking away has served me well most of the time and kept the altercations to a minimum.

[@ToledoPitbull]

That was my Kenpo Senseis mantra back in 1990 only he said it a little different. "Avoid rather than block. Block rather than strike. Strike rather than maim. Maim rather than kill. For all life is sacred and none should be taken forgranted."

[@nschlaak]

@@ToledoPitbull The TV series may have taken liberties with the original saying as TV is often known to do.

[@themrsluggo]

How do you retreat when people are knocking you down?

[@DemuDesu]

I think the biggest problem here is the fact dude run towards the kids without saying anything which is quite weird and intimidating. IF kids were the ones who started the entire thing, he probably has gotten away regardless of the fact he didn't try to escape.

[@LESSspam80]

@@themrsluggoWalk. Best direction is where you came from 🎉

[@eide99]

I run Use of Force training for a security company and I find that your videos give me great content to talk to my classes about. I've had huge back and forth conversations about how saying 'i felt threatened' means nothing. I think that came from one of your videos. Please keep doing more of these.

[@hard2hurt]

Ahh the magic incantation that every rookie thinks will save him from responsibility

[@oczhaal]

@@hard2hurt Mm I beg to differ: police officers use this argument very often when a shooting occurs and it's considered valid most of the time.

[@hard2hurt]

When you say "most" I guess you are using some sort of data or evidence?

[@oczhaal]

@@hard2hurt The same data or evidence you use when pretending the opposite :)

[@hard2hurt]

@@oczhaal what do you mean? You're not making sense.

[@asteel1236]

You have given the best analysis that I have seen and heard from multiple other channels. Great perspective on both sides and great advice. Walk away and live , walk away and stay out of jail.

[@mfgreviews5028]

Walk away when you're on your back in water being punched and kicked. Yeah ok

[@asteel1236]

@@mfgreviews5028 Watch from the beginning - be smart enough not to put yourself in that position in the first place!

[@Anna-ww4pv]

Don’t hit people. Don’t push people down. Don’t jump into knives. Take a lesson from a first grader. Don’t buy your kids alcohol, what kind of parent dies that?

[@diane4537]

@@mfgreviews5028 You got em there!

[@Itachi_Uchiha523]

So the young people did nothing wrong? It's all the older guy fault?

[@DK_365]

One saying I have after 15 years of Emergency Medicine is "there is always more to the story." People leave out important details all the time. I see this with crime victims, suspects, and even people who aren't doing anything remotely illegal. I've never seen anyone shot over drugs or a gang dispute, they're all sitting around minding their own business.

[@pinkpandasquad1]

"everybody lies" House is walking upright and packing heat these days

[@wasabi5338]

there is a saying by former UFC middleweight and light heavyweight champion that i have lived by "i cant let you get close."

[@Milk-vw1cv]

Don't forget the "fucking amateur"

[@cassanateli]

Except Chael wasn't incessantly approaching Wanderlei lol

[@wasabi5338]

@@cassanateli its still good advice, dont let anybody get close lmfao (even though he proceeds to get incredibly up close by successfully shooting for a double leg on flip flops)

[@connorhall8463]

*a former undefeated UFC champion

[@ghostdog2898]

🤡🌈 so dramatic

[@chrisedwards6755]

Where the video started is not where the altercation started. Every time you see a video like this, the altercation starts, then the phone was pulled out. You never get to see the start of the altercation.

[@markstone6263]

the dude hippo bummed rushed them, so what did the boys do to him prior to justify this?

[@christianc.christian5025]

@@markstone6263 There's a *LOT* of video about this. They'd been circling and following him for a while, calling him a "creeper" and "raper" (and eventually, a "pedophile" for waving to his own family) because he was using goggles to look for something he said he'd dropped in the water. I get that this clown is *completely* unlikable... and that "bent-wrist knife disarm" bullshit he tried telling the cops (and that he did it twice... lol) makes him sound like a joke. But you should look into it more than just this video. He played a bad part in his conviction. He also didn't engage with them *at all* by the time they'd started filming and pursuing him.

[@christianc.christian5025]

Not in this case. You guys need to really look into this stuff on your own. The filming started because the kids thought that while Miu was looking for his phone in the water, that he was actually looking at and "creeping" on them. They started to follow him and shout things to him about him being a rapist before they'd surrounded him. Even if you think Miu is guilty, anyone pretending that these kids were minding their own business before Miu "bummed rushed them" is completely clueless.

[@P.psychonaut]

They were screaming to him and calling him a rapist and pedophile. BUT before he pulled the phone out they were telling him THEY HAD THE CELL PHONE! THATS why he ran over and then when he realized it wasn’t the phone he was looking for and they were LYING! And then he immediately backed up when he realized they did not have it.

[@candykane4271]

@@P.psychonaut yep they are hooligans of the worst kind, rich and elite.

[@TheElbowMerchant]

I was hoping you'd cover this, so my faith has been rewarded!

[@hard2hurt]

I only do topical stuff when I feel I have something to add that hasn't been covered a million times by everyone else. Very few people saying it was self defense are talking about the initial contact and the knife draw or showing that the women put their hands on him.

[@sethhood3492]

@@hard2hurt the vibe I got was that he’s probably a bully and was using this as an excuse to stick his hand in this chicks crotch area instead of engaging the able bodied men

[@sd6213]

Thanks for breaking it down. The media made a whole circus of opinion about it.

[@hard2hurt]

Thanks for watching.

[@jr5993]

​@hard2hurt I'd really like a video that focuses on alcahol in self defence scenarios. Many people are breaking this down as if everyone was thinking with a sober head *obviously not the case.

[@Mxracer6y]

​@@hard2hurt The part that you, and every other clown defending this guy don't really seem to grasp is: You cannot be the aggressor... ie. punching a girl in the face, and THEN claim self defense after you're retaliated against. You'd be 100% correct if the man didn't hit the girl first. It's odd, being someone who has their LTC you'd think you'd understand that concept very well..... You cannot START a fight and then turn around and shoot someone and claim self defense.... It is no longer self defense when you are the aggressor

[@BikingWIthPanda]

@@Mxracer6y he didn't strike her

[@Vasily_Alekseyevich]

@@Mxracer6y The lawyer asked every witness about this hit, and not one could describe it. Left hand, right hand, left cheek, right cheek. A.J. Carlson stated under oath that Cohen turned her back to Miu and then Miu grabbed her by the hair with his right hand, which, as we saw, was already holding a knife. You apparently grew up in the country of pink ponies and don’t know that this is an old tactic of bullies. In my wild but pretty country we call it 'causing a reaction.' You surround a person, enter his personal space, and verbally humiliate him. And then there are two options. First option. If the victim makes some kind of active action, pushes you away, you use this as an excuse to launch an attack. As was the case in this case. Ms. Cohen yelled in Miu's face, pushed him, and shoved her phone in his face to 'cause a reaction.' The weakest member of the gang is usually used for this purpose, so that the intervention of the big guys can be justified as his 'protection'. Second option. If the victim does not react to provocation, then she is surrounded on all sides and completely morally suppressed. You kind of hug him in a friendly way and at the same time take him into a bulldog choke. And then you can say, 'Can I borrow a couple of bills from your wallet, you don’t mind?' Or 'Admit it, you were looking for little girls?'

[@cryptokeeper8504]

also the fact he dumped the knife and lied to the cops seem sketchy

[@christianc.christian5025]

This is likely what did him in. The legal concept of self-defense is often based on what individuals perceive *in that moment* versus what a *reasonable person would have.* Anyone falsely claiming that they didn't wield a knife but then claims they used *their attackers' knives* against themselves is making it pretty clear that they do not believe that the true version of events presents a reasonable threat to themselves worthy of lethal force.

[@absolutelyfookinnobody2843]

It only seems "sketchy" oh ok buddy. Stick with stocking jobs, that's all you are good for

[@Vasily_Alekseyevich]

@@christianc.christian5025 He tried to cooperate with the police and therefore spoke without a lawyer. This is likely what did him in. The fact that he THEN became afraid that his actions were an excess of self-defense does not mean that he thought the same at the time of the event. He doesn't have to prove it. The prosecution must prove intent. The jury didn't listen to what they were told, but the appeal should set things right. P.S. Did you happen to notice that most of the prosecution witnesses were also obviously lying?

[@diane4537]

Mr. Miu didn't lie anymore that the teens did on the witness stand. "For the culture" BS was sickening!

[@SirPraiseSun]

its a h0..ax show stop believing everything

[@RebelHound]

thanks for preaching nuance, Mike. lot of people jump the gun before knowing the situation. seems to me both sides were in the wrong to a degree. it's a shame it ended the way it did.

[@IAMSatisfied]

The fact he wasn't distancing while supposedly feeling in danger does raise red flags.

[@jimmy64224]

But he did, he was backing up as soon as he started drawing the knife. Not saying it's justifiable self defense, but he was giving up ground and the kids were pursuing.

[@hard2hurt]

Umm... no... he wasn't.

[@IAMSatisfied]

@@hard2hurt It's amazing how two people can see the same video clips and come up with opposite conclusions, even when given the benefit of a former LEOs insight. The video clips absolutely sunk this guys chances of a court win.

[@ericp.3684]

He walks away from the teenagers, they follow him, then Madison is blocking him from going back to his wife and friends and telling him to go the opposite direction. There are 13 people surrounding him and some obviously trying to beat him unconscious in the water. Was he supposed to let him beat them unconscious so he would just drown?

[@Freedom_Half_Off]

​@@ericp.3684 .... Yeah ... the Queen of the River and the rest of the mob were between him and his group ... screaming for him to walk UP river further away from his group . The argument for the pro mob crowd is basically that he should have been forced to walk up river and hide until his group paid attention and maybe came back looking for his body 🙄

[@preacherman85379]

2 types of stupid collided, 1 dead and 1 went to prison. The old guy should NOT have approached a bunch of drunk young men. I think the older guy was drunk too. He could have asked if they had seen a phone, but NO, he escalated the matter. Getting knocked down and then punched, coming up with a knife seems reasonable. BUT, this whole situation was avoidable. At 61 i would have asked them about the phone, at a distance, then proceed on my merry way. Its just a phone, not worth killing or dying for.

[@jvanek8512]

They were younger, but they weren't young. Anyway every situation is avoidable in hindsight. They didn't have a right to attack him. He had just as much a right to be there as them. It was a public place.

[@jvanek8512]

At 61.. so are you saying at let's say 25 you would have done the opposite? Anyway you really don't know what you'd do until it happens. It's easy to think this way from the comfort of your home typing on a computer. I'm only looking at did he have a right to defend himself or not. It doesn't matter if he put himself in a bad situation because that still doesn't give the right for someone to attack you.

[@Deno2100]

You are a great example of a person forming an opinion without the information. The old man was looking for a phone, whenever the old man communicated that he was looking for a phone the young men in the inner tubes held up a phone in the air. Of course, he's going to approach. So saying that the old man should not have approached young men in a river well that's not even a realistic expectation in society but it's especially not realistic in this specific instance. Also the old man only approached the young men to a degree the young men were also floating down the river towards the old man had he stood perfectly still the young men would have eventually come within a very close proximity to him.

[@deathfab]

Definitely wasn’t self defence. If you can walk away, it’s not self defence. Killing somebody because they laughed at you and pushed you is not self defence.

[@Koop89]

@@deathfab You forgot, on your ass surrounded by multiple attackers swinging at you and not letting up with excited motivation.

[@JadedJet]

Last I checked I cant instigate a confrontation and then claim self defense

[@JoeMac1983]

He also fled the scene (which is fine as long as it's for your safety), didn't tell his group what had happened, ditched the knife, lied to the police about his involvement, and lied to the police by telling them that the knife belonged to the group of young men.

[@shanesteinmetz4563]

That puts it in a perspective, thank you. Even in states like mine (Florida) that have codified Stand Your Ground, what a person claiming self-defense does afterward plays a huge part in how the court and jury view the person's self-defense claim. Personally, I think that being scared or in denial of what happened (taking someone's life) is normal, but these are also the traits of someone guilty of a crime.

[@bebesavage2672]

The guy escaped Romania and came to America through the US government. When he was in Romania as a teenager he was beat up badly by the KGB. I would not be surprised if the gang of boys gave him ptsd. All in all, you do not know a stranger's background, so it'd be best to not "poke the bear."

[@jamesfirehummer3216]

If you’re trying to make the situation worse, then it gets hard for anyone to believe it’s self defense. This is the kind of lesson we used to learn at age 8 on the school playground.

[@Freedom_Half_Off]

If you actually believed that every last instigator and participant in that attack would have been charged . The ones yelling he was looking for little girls . The woman screaming she had his phone and was filming him with it . The Queen of the River with her phone in Miu's face screaming obscenities telling him to walk upriver away from his group . The guy with his hands on his back pushing Miu back down who claimed he was trying to "de-escalate" . Every last one of them 🙄

[@jamesfirehummer3216]

Agreed

[@jamesfirehummer3216]

Agreed

[@jamesfirehummer3216]

Agreed

[@jamesfirehummer3216]

Agreed

[@outerlast]

you need to make this type of contents more often, icy mike. it's great information, showing both sides, thinking what could be better outcome, etc etc. and maybe add some practical techniques when you are in the situation, including the third person role trying to stop the fight

[@davidreed6070]

Had he not have run up and grabbed the kids,he wouldnt have been found guilty,but then again....nothing would have happened.

[@davidreed6070]

@@malus1426 you missed the part when he ran up and grabbed the raft and fumbled around the kids legs. You need to watch it, maybe in slow motion so you don't miss the part that made my mind sway one way. If I had not seen that like you I might think like you are. The other thing that swayed me was the look on his face when he was handing the knife. It was not fear.

[@davidreed6070]

@@malus1426 you are making up an imaginary senary that has nothing to do with what happened, but thats ok. A lot of times I have reacted with violence and times I was not proud of what I did to people. But killing kids, I have not done.

[@gagetaylor192]

@@malus1426 Except this wasn't an accidental bump. You don't grab someone's tubes and effectively grope somebody by bumping them. And even if that's somehow what happened, it could have been avoided by him not running up to them in the first place.

[@MajinBLJ]

​@@malus1426idiot

[@MajinBLJ]

​@@malus14266:23

[@rambeastgamer6472]

If you're reading this you should do a video on defusing a confrontation if you haven't already

[@resilientantagonist9751]

I watched a lot of the trial. The defense tried to make the self defence stick, but it became apparent pretty quickly that there wasn't much wiggle room for Mr. Miu, who could have simply walked away multiple times, but decided to stick around as if he was looking for a reason to do harm. Luckily there was some video evidence, so his lies became apparent really quickly. He's lucky to only being found guilty of reckless and not intentional homicide.

[@candykane4271]

Cockfield followed him so close I could see his hair on neck glitter in the sun. Cockfield never left him alone, the mouthy one with the camera. He followed the guy not visa versa

[@dumitavi1]

He's lucky? How? If they gave him 40 years for jaywalking vs 40 years for murder, what difference would have made? He must serve a minimum he's likely incapable to serve. He's not lucky by any means. What you said is no different than saying his one victim is lucky Miu didn't have a shotgun. How so? Is he less dead now? Miu will be just as dead in 40 years, regardless of the conviction that kept him in prison that long.

[@Samsjunk]

It's really fascinating how many opinions on this fight I went thru both watching the original and then your video. Well thought out, nice take.

[@jeffhays1968]

The DA overcharged with a 1'st degree murder charge. Could not be 1'st degree if the guy just found himself in the situation, he did not go hunting these kids.

[@aroncampos5720]

Depends on the state but yeah in my state thats 2nd degree

[@TheChocolateChamp]

I mean would he have went over there and acted that way if he didn't have a knife? And the fact he's pulling out out while grinning when no one touched him says alot.

[@camdonmaydew876]

he only got convicted of reckless homicide

[@TheHakeReport]

@@camdonmaydew876if that’s true that sounds fair. Even tho he is Romanian, seems like that’s just how they do things where they’re from.

[@bonkling]

How did he not? He was no where near them, he CHOSE to go over to them with a knife. Let thank sink in, he then flipped their tube, and the scuffle started. In what world can I go over to another party with a knife, get aggressive, and claim I just "found myself mixed up in all this".

[@jonathannadeau6218]

“If you’re find guilty doesn’t mean you didn’t commit a crime” - O.J.

[@Kenpachi_White707]

He did it. - Jesus Christ 2024

[@jason200912]

One theory suspects it could have been his creepy ass son who has anger impulse problems and a smaller gabd size and different shoe size

[@purebloodheretic4682]

"If you're found NOT Guilty" seems to make more sense in OJ case!

[@escre]

I appreciate your point of view and insight on this topic, been wondering if you'd speak on this.

[@edwardbentley]

It was not self defense, especially for Rhyley who was not touching in any offensive way, Tony who was trying to stop the fight and Daunte who punched Nicolae 2 minutes earlier and was now 12 feet away. Then came hiding the knife, and the mountain of lies.

[@ReDuVernay]

I don't think most of us know the names of the individuals in the video.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

@@ReDuVernay or even care to know.

[@NstyNate]

Nah shes just as guilty, touching someone without consent is never ok regardless if its in an "offensive" way btw grabbing someone by the arm while and screaming in theyre face in a situation she was never involved in, both parties need to be held accountable.

[@MentalDeviant]

​@@NstyNateI don't agree with the violence but people think they can just they can be aggressive with strangers and grab them and scream at them and nothing's going to happen.

[@candykane4271]

Riley testified she may have just hit him or pushed him …it is why they need the blonde Lie

[@PR3TTYH8MACHINE]

its really cool to hear the different logistics that go into a situation and verdict like this

[@JMBeaushriimp]

"Shut your mouth, and leave". Wiser words have never been spoken...

[@BabyShark-kd9jl]

Nic went towards Maddy, leaving the group of 6, and the first group kept following him instead of shutting their lying loud ass mouths and leaving him alone.

[@damrakred]

So well laid out, THANK YOU! Everyone loses in a situation like this, EVERYONE. So many chances to diffuse. Great lessons taught here, Mike, thank you! This should be required watching for literally everyone.

[@bluefish808]

I really like these types of videos from you and hope to see more like this from you. I do wish you had a playlist of all these types of videos (like your river fight videos, the youtube prank self defense video). I tried to watch your back catalog of these videos but I'm not sure if I missed some of these breakdowns.

[@TimRHillard]

I think, not sure, not a lawyer either, but where I live you can't have started the fight in anyway to be able to claim self defense. Self defense is not an innocent claim, its like a admission to the assault or murder, but that you had too.

[@danielrichardson6054]

Therefore it cannot be assault or murder

[@TimRHillard]

@@danielrichardson6054 Probably so. Seems like alcohol and egos don't mix well with weapons.

[@Lars_Paulsen]

I must say this is the best explanation I've seen so far and it wasn't a long explanation either, like some other people here like to do. I started up with a different view of things, because I don't have the same (profession) way of looking at thing as you, but this opened my eyes. Thanks for doing that :)

[@barrymartin9819]

Great review !

[@AxelfoleyTheGreat]

This guy hard2hurt (Icy Mike) is very realistic and fair about how he anaylyzes things. What he said about peopels biases in the world is so much spot on.

[@enzofer2125]

Yeah definitely, peoples ability to believe a narrative they like is incredible.

[@Uberfoxbob]

I understand the cynicism regarding juries, but I also believe they provide an insanely useful role in our justice system by taking many of the decisions out of the hands of a single (even if elected or appointed) person. Literally just about every point you made I wish I could emphasize more. Edited to fix a redundancy in the post

[@roflchopter11]

Maybe. A jury also convicted CRS firearms, and juries have convicted hundreds of J6 protestors for nonsense.

[@TheHakeReport]

Loved his point about juries. I feel the same way about “experts”… they’re dummies like you and me, too, with an agenda! Agree with your point about judges or whomever.

[@Uberfoxbob]

@@TheHakeReport I don't know that I'd go that far, but with our "beyond a reasonable doubt" system, I feel like 12 making that decision is better than just 1. Though at the same time, I don't know how much I can really disagree. It feels hard to trust into a lot of the established systems and processes we have anymore.

[@roofdogblues7400]

Jury nullification has made some bs laws irrelevant because judges couldn't make those bad laws stick, the jury system is better than letting a judge do whatever they want, and many people see it as their civic duty to serve on a jury and don't try to get out of it at all. Selfish pricks try to get out of jury duty.

[@TheHakeReport]

@@roofdogblues7400 yea I try to get on juries but never do.

[@chancepaladin]

I think it was you that said, "the jury is 12 people that couldn't get out of jury duty" and that lens has really carried with me for a long time now when I hear about something going to trial.

[@raydrexler5868]

That was George Carlin. First time anyway.

[@Kurnhelios]

Hey Mike, love the content as always. If possible could we get a similar video on the church stabbing in Wakely, or the stabbing in Bondi Junction. Cheers 🇦🇺🦘

[@daemonredfield3211]

I'd like Mike's thoughts about the Bondi Junction stabbings too because we have a lot of footage around it. Mike's has a lot of insight about how knife defense is taught as well as practiced.

[@jeremiahamundson2165]

3 min in, no comments read, and I watched the incident on film a couple of times. Here's my fresh take, I'll add a P.S edit if Mike changes my mind. One, there's really not enough information shown before the clip starts rolling for me to make an uneducated but relatively informed opinion on the legality of what happened. I'm not sure if those kids incited him in any way prior to the recording. Judging by their conduct in the video, it wouldn't shock me. Regaurdless, I'd say approaching and flipping the intertube was a bad call and unnecessarily escalated the situation. From there, I can understand why he wouldn't have wanted to walk away, but he absolutely should have. All of that being said, in a vaccum, devoid of the aforementioned and necessary context, he was defending himself when he pulled the knife. There were multiple assailants, and he was in knee deep water, which you can't exactly make a quick escape out of. So legally dubious. But as someone who carries and trains with lethal tools on a regular basis, this guy put himself in a position where the only option he had was to pull that knife. He could've ignored them, approached without flipping the intertube, walked away when the kids were heckling him, and/or kept a safer distance without giving up his back so he'd be so easily overwhelmed. A tragic and easily avoidable outcome if either party had practiced more restraint and respect. Side note: those kids infuriated me just standing around laughing and recording while the dude was getting jumped. I hope someone eventually tried to render aid to the stabbed once the situation had cooled down. I'm a young adult, but these kids do not know how to act.

[@francesholliday5427]

Before the video of Mr Miu running towards the tubes, there is some context (and a shorter 9 second video) As far as I can gather Mr Miu was searching for a phone which someone in his group lost in the river. The youngsters asked him what he was doing. He said he was looking for a phone. The youngsters accused Miu of saying he was looking for "little girls." Yet, they couldn’t have misheard him, because one of them who was sitting in a tube, waved a phone in the air so Miu could see, probably pretending they had the phone for which he was searching. Mr Miu ran over toward the guy pretending to have the lost phone and the guy put the phone down in an attempt to conceal it somewhere in the tube/water (it was reported all phones had protective cases/bags to repel water damage). Miu put his snorkel (which he was using in shallow water to search for the missing phone) in his mouth so he could free both his hands to retrieve the phone. Miu reached down into the tube where the guy was sitting and concealing the phone, when Miu's arms brushed against the dudes legs inadvertently in the process of reaching for the phone The drunk dudes admitted they were taunting Miu with a phone to lure him over to them while they were recording for the "culture" of having fun at someone else's expense and posting it online. They posted images of Miu online with salacious captions which read (something to the effect of...), "This old guy said he was looking for little girls."

[@jeremiahamundson2165]

@francesholliday5427 interesting, if true. I'm not calling you a liar. You've just gotta take everything with a grain of salt on here. That does line up with the other things I've seen in this. Thank you for typing this up. In that case, they absolutely incited him, and he probably just had no idea how to handle the situation and was tired of these kids bullying him. It would appear that after the incident, he washed and dumped the knife before returning to his group, which 100% made the situation worse from a legal standpoint. As adults and people who carry any type of weapon, it's our responsibility to be judicious about our response and approach to such situations; a lost phone is a hell of a lot better than a murder wrap. Those kids created the environment for this type of thing to happen, though, and assulted him. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Miu didn't do himself any favors. People handle these things differently, but I think the charges were a little over the top. If that group hadn't incited the incident, it's highly likely none of this would have happened.

[@francesholliday5427]

@@jeremiahamundson2165 Not sure if I can answer your comments as well as I wanted (as have bad headache- not from drinking!). I don’t mind you taking my comments with a pinch of salt. Certainly there is no cell phone footage of Mr Miu being teased with a phone, so I can’t say I saw that bit- was having to go on what different people said. But if that’s what the camera guy did, he made sure to do so in between filming the first video and the second. Some have speculated Miu was in a dissociative state immediately after, and he says something along the lines of ‘wanting nothing to do with what just happened’ as a reason for throwing the knife. I wouldn’t like to comment. The You tube channel ‘Attorneys On Retainer’ say this, and his lying is the type of stuff that makes juries hate you. But they also say it shouldn’t matter in the question of whether he was or was not in fear of death or serious physical injury (regarding his self defense claim). Apparently, by the time Mr Miu lost the snorkel it seems he really wanted to stay and find that too. Apparently it had some sentimental value (from a first holiday with his wife). Maybe he (apart from youngsters) was a bit slower witted from drinks, and stubborn (and therefore not as responsible as he might have been in a different situation) and he should have left at that point. However he may well have been doing so, and is either diverted by or makes the mistake of appealing to Ms Cohen, which takes things to the next level. In the case of most people wanting to drink out on the river, maybe there should always be one designated non drinking adult to each party, as some safequard. Apparently the Carlson dadwas not drinking and sensible enough to see Mr Miu could have got 'beat' so I wish he had gone over instead of sending the girls/his sons. Bty do you think it really looked like Mr Miu was smirking/grinning or displaying a nervous/embarrassed smile at one point?

[@robertmurdoch1]

Whatever happened at the river, this is an outstanding analysis of how violent events occur and how perceptions develop.

[@barrymartin9819]

Great review ! Agree 100% Keep up making the best info Vids.

[@fylgjafox]

I was going to make an argument for self defense but then you pointed out in the video he is working the knife out of his pocket.

[@basscannon762]

He actually had the knife out down by his side in his right hand before the girl touched him.

[@chrisjones6002]

The fact that he approached them and had the knife in hand before it got physical really makes that difficult to defend.

[@danielrichardson6054]

@@basscannon762that’s not seen in the video at all. It looks like he grabbed his pants. He clearly didn’t have a knife. Feel free to timestamp it. That’s just BS

[@user-je2hu7rn8t]

@@danielrichardson6054 cnn brainwashed bozos think what is told to them.

[@abnmp7865]

@@danielrichardson6054It’s hard to do it here since the vid is so cut up. But it was brought up at trial and shown on the video. When the women start to talk to him it’s clearly visible in his right hand. Just before that you can see him opening it.

[@chrislrob]

This case reminds me of the Hannah Payne case where a woman got life for chasing and shooting a hit and run driver. It was clear in that case--and I think in this one--that the armed defendant felt so confident they could defend themselves with a weapon that they didn't consider whether they SHOULD.

[@jvanek8512]

Not even close to the same. She chased and confronted the guy. This was a guy surrounded by a mob of drunk bullies.

[@roflchopter11]

​@@jvanek8512Meh, she had a right to confront them with ordinary physical force. If they turn it deadly, thats on them. Of course, good luck convincing a judge and jury that.

[@thishandleistaken1011]

@@jvanek8512 he ran over and attacked them and had his knife drawn before any fight happened. he was looking to stab someone

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@thishandleistaken1011 then explain why he walked 60 feet away from the teens and got blocked by another group? LOL

[@Arthurian.]

You definitely didn't watch the video if that's your take. Or you watched a heavily edited video. Terrifying knowing someone as hateful as you could be on a jury, just frothing to put someone away. ​@@thishandleistaken1011

[@anthonylafache118]

Holy smokes man, this is one hell of an analysis. It’s well articulated, insightful, and creative. OUTSTANDING VIDEO. Subscribed.

[@WhatOfFox]

Lol

[@MMAShredded]

loved the breakdown!!

[@kicknsystm]

I was dating/living with a woman that was a 3rd Degree Blackbelt in karate. She saw me in a fight & accused me of excessive force. I asked her how many street fights/real fights she had been in, she said none. I then told her to shut the f up! If you have no life experience, you don't know.

[@Gideon_Judges6]

Remember when it was supposed to be a "jury of your peers" and then they changed the interpretation of what "peer" means.

[@hard2hurt]

"peers" in legal speak means "a pile of randos"

[@cavalieroutdoors6036]

@@hard2hurt I think that's kind of what he's getting at. The current definition is basically "Anyone we could get who was too unintelligent to weasel their way out of jury duty." I'm going to wager if you were to look at the individual jury members, not one of them would be in what might be considered this guy's peer group(s). Namely age, sex, race, education level, socio-economic status...They're just randoms with varied understandings of what constitutes self defense.

[@itisjustacomment]

Yes, It means a great deal in truth sentence for years or not, plus the stigma , financial consequences, family and relationship consequences, etc

[@Gideon_Judges6]

@@hard2hurt that's how they (mis)interpret it today, and they go out of their way to find people who don't know the defendant or the case, but early case law shows that might not have been the original intent.

[@3BigChins]

A platoon mate was sharing the video and my first reaction was “why the hell was he even interacting with the kids in the first place?” He should have just walked away. No excuse for that

[@user-br6ve4lz6n]

yea for real. I think he was saying something about a lost phone but even if that's true you aint finding it now buddy. Move on or come back later. I think he started getting fucked with and his pride kept him from just walking away.

[@albonthegoat]

Honest videos like this are why I respect the hell out of you. Too many people have weird self defense power fantasies, or are ready to excuse people who help voluntarily cause the reason they are targeted. Let the copaganda and extremist channels act like life is always black and white.

[@martyp5976]

Si, great content as always!

[@SirPraiseSun]

this is theater wake up SHEEP stop having blind faith in news and hard2hurt

[@tappenmom]

Very helpful commentary, thanks

[@user-hh3nb2kj7z]

After seeing mikes breakdown my opinion has changed everyone messed up here and no one won

[@TheDude322]

And none of it would have happened if a random old man didn't run across a river at a group of young adults grabbing at them with a knife in his pocket. The kids literally did nothing wrong except be on the river with a guy who wanted to start and finish something.

[@danielrichardson6054]

@@TheDude322they starting hitting him lmfao. Guarantee you’d change your tune if the stabber was black

[@candykane4271]

@@TheDude322 then you’re blind as bat in daytime.

[@TheDude322]

@@candykane4271 Bats actually have good vision. I know it's hard to have an original thought but you'll get one eventually

[@jamestaylor5995]

If I was a juror, I think the fact that he unnecessarily initiated the confrontation, and did so in such a physical manner, would be the point that sways my decision against self-defense.

[@nightfury6836]

Brilliant stuff on this channel.

[@barrymartin9819]

Great review ! Agree 100% thanks for well informed Vid.

[@alecubudulecu]

Good analysis. One caveat. He’s romanian. The “smug sh!t eating grin” … that’s a common facial expression we have under stress. It’s means we absolve ourselves to stress induced demise. We do it when we believe. We are about to be hurt and there’s not much we can do about it. It’s a desperation expression we have.

[@Taukame1]

This makes sense to me as people always read my facial expressions wrong and I tend to freeze when things get chaotic as well

[@hard2hurt]

I didn't think about facial expressions varying from culture to culture... hmm...

[@astrotrain21]

Yeah, he looked obviously stressed and panicking. I disagree with it being a good analysis, though. He edited out the part of the video where Miu is walking away, then the youths follow and surround him, shouting abuse and laughing, then start pushing and hitting him before he stabs anyone.

[@Zurenza]

So, after watching JUST the video. I have a few questions. (I'm writing this before watching your video.) 1. He ran up to them first. For what reason EXACTLY, i'm not sure. 2. He did get physical, rummaging around their tubes, ect. And then, he didn't leave despite being asked why he was there, what he was doing ect. 3. The kids harassing, getting physical ect is wrong BUT don't tell me you don't expect that from teenager's with half this guys life experience. I don't remember ever being told to just "Walk Away" as a teenager. It was either fight or talk shit. 4. Getting the knife out before the altercation got physical, then stabbing 1 person and watching them back off only to stab 4 more, that doesn't seem like self-defense to me. Moreover though, he initiated the conflict. The teenager's shouldn't have escalated it but the initial aggressor was this guy. In both cases, this could have easily been fixed by simply shutting up and leaving. Edit: It is imo, plausible you charge some of the teenager's with something but, not being an officer or lawyer i'm not exactly sure what it would be BUT, them escalating the situation certainly didn't help so I can't say the man is ENTIRELY at fault.

[@D4ng404]

@@ZenGymBunny Did you watch the fucking video?

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@ZenGymBunny that did not happen. The teens asked Miu what he was doing, he said looking for a phone. This was revealed in the trial. English is not Miu's first language and the kids were taunting him. It's pretty clear he thought they had the phone he was looking for.

[@tjromero3195]

​@@poboxchristmas380he ran at them, put his face near a young woman's crotch... HAVE YOU SEEN THE VIDEO? He is a drunk while the kids are young and drunk, plus did not cause this. This drunk old man fucked up and I'm glad he'll never see the light of day.

[@user-baev]

Why would anyone expect this from teenagers? He might be an idiot but it doesn't justify group bullying of a much older man.

[@ToveriJuri]

There is also quite bit of information outside of the video that was talked about in court particularly what he did after the stabbings. The dude did just about anything he could to make himself look guilty as hell. People making judgements just based on the video alone don't have the full picture that the jury had in court.

[@brianvernon7754]

great discussion. ty

[@Sidekick_Snowman]

Thanks for covering this and adding context that I didn't have.

[@michaelmangan7963]

Also - “everyone lies” shows how much Mike is a cop.

[@KonekoPurrrfection]

Lol yeah but its 100% true, everyone including children lie so if people lie from the cradle to the grave its a human condition. Not all lies are equal tho and people can seem to forget that and don't differentiate between the two

[@Jcs57]

68 years of life taught me the most consistent liars are either wearing a badge or a skirt.

[@kingtrance307]

@@Jcs57 - Or Orange Pancake make up! 🤡

[@prehistoricwatergun0136]

@@Jcs57Catholic school girls? Weaboo-EGirls?dudes playing Scotts in medieval movies?

[@erickduong5245]

I think a lot of the time, we conflate legality and morality as one, when in reality we tend to codify law based on moral principals. In a perfect world, there would be no distinction. That said, I saw the video in full, and to be honest, I do not believe this act of "self defence" could possibly be justified. Firstly, this guy never once made an attempt to leave, not during the initial encounter (where HE is the one that approaches), not even after the kids and their parents tell him to leave. Second of all, the "feared for his life" doesn't hold up here either. Again, in the video, he just stands there instead of getting himself to safety, and you can even see him draw a knife at 1:50 in the apple river stabbing video before anything happens. Now, I'm sure he was absolutely terrified of the woman who approached him so menacingly, if his shit eating grin was any indication, which caused him to hit said woman, which in turn, caused a visceral response from the boys, who pushed him into the water. Even if we assume the woman was the one to hit him first, is his ego that fragile? Regardless, after getting his pride shoved and slapped, he then gets up and stabs the girl behind him. Then he stabs a boy after the kid put his hand on his back and tells him he should just leave. After that, he then guts another boy who pushes him away. KEEP IN MIND, this all happened in response to him smacking a woman. I agree the pedo comments were uncalled for, I agree that the way the kids behaved were BEYOND obnoxious (just watching the video was giving me a headache), but being annoying is not justification for death, when HE was the one that approached, and could have left at any point. Third, the people that keep saying "he was surrounded, he couldn't leave", just straight up didn't watch the video. There was a clear path for him to just go up until he hit a girl and got pushed for it, no one made any attempts to keep him there, subconsciously or otherwise. Even in the clip that you show us as an example, it is very clear that he could have just backed away at any given moment. Were the people in the floaties surrounding him too? Another thing to note about Sir Stabsalot, for a guy who believed he acted in self defence, conducted himself in the worst way possible. He washed his weapon and tossed it down the river, before joining his friend and putting his hat and sunglasses. The only reason they found him, was specifically because of the video. And when his friend asked him about what was happening he feigned ignorance and pretended not to know. Don't even get me started on the fact that he also lied to law enforcement multiple times. Between telling different stories to different investigators, to embellishing his recount on what happened to make it seem more sympathetic to his side; saying things like "they pulled my pants down". The dude just wanted to fight, murdered a kid, maimed 4, and then had the gall to retroactively justify his actions. I appreciate your analysis Mike, the teenagers could have done a better job at handling this situation, but I'll be damned if that guy didn't escalate things from the get go.

[@hermeticinstrumentalist6804]

Haven't watched the other video yet, finished this one though. Thank you for the breakdown of the video.

[@simonspain6080]

Great advice Sir!

[@officialtotino]

thank you! no one i’ve seen covering this has shown the key first couple seconds or when he starts walking away then turns back when the call him names

[@Shaunquirk89]

I don’t see any of his actions as “innocent” he stabbed 5 young people and acted in a violent man out from the beginning. I think he should have been prosecuted for homicide personally.

[@patterson96392]

Not selfdefense. he hit first. He had every chance to leave the situation

[@KonekoPurrrfection]

No he did not hit first.

[@patterson96392]

@@KonekoPurrrfection in the video they said he hit first

[@BelieverOfChrist2]

what if they had his phone though? would you like to walk away when they might just be flashing your phone?

[@MajinBLJ]

​@@KonekoPurrrfection6:26 idiot

[@user-je2hu7rn8t]

@@patterson96392 msm brainwashed bozo

[@gilkennedy7638]

Mike you are on another level of understanding that type of situation.

[@lauriehug7370]

He was guilty because he didn't walk away multiple times. He got in their space and acted weird a even scary. He hit the girl and the adult guy punched him and then a few of the kids pushed him down. Then Miu continued to stab over and over again. The kids had no clue he had a knife until several were stabbed. Then the kids backed off. Miu FINALLY LEFT. He wasn't scared and he claimed innocent. The kids should have stayed away but their brains aren't even fully developed at 17. Miu should be held more responsible. The kids didn't stab Miu.

[@poboxchristmas380]

There are a few things commonly missed when discussing this case. Miu is Romanian, English isn't his first language. People say he looks smug, but it could easily be a nervous smile or confusion since he does not know what most of what they're screaming means. He walked over 60 feet away from the teens back towards his own group, the teens followed him, taunting him. The woman (Maddie) he supposedly hit was with a 2nd entirely different group that blocked him from his group. You see him waving for help to his group twice. The main issue that people don't discuss is: if you believe that he actually struck the woman (Maddie), what should be the reponse from bystanders? If Miu punched her, as some say, it was the weakest punch ever. She did not drop her phone or her vape. She also had a beer in her hand that she didn't spill. Miu is immediately punched into next week by Dante afterwards. So the question is, how much of a mob beatdown is justified over Miu's contact with the woman who clearly touched him first in the video? A mob can justifiably kill him for that? Multiple people are justified for taking their cheap shots on Miu as he's knocked out from that first punch? I feel like the jury bought the whole "You hit a girl!!!" narrative and assumed it has more legal weight than it actually does. The one person who died in this case was Isaac and he died with his hands on Miu's throat in the middle of a mob beating. Not sure how that doesn't fit under self defense. People are giving everybody in that mob a free pass for their actions even when they had no right to be involved.

[@camdonmaydew876]

He was not punched into next week lol. The nurse that observed him after his arrest only noted abrasions on his back and back of his head from the rocks on the river bed. Literally no other marks on him.

[@EliteCPR]

@@camdonmaydew876 "he wasn't punched into next week, he was just punched into a river hard enough to cause cuts on the back of his head from hitting rocks on the bottom of the river". You're a clown.

[@motherofcats2712]

@@camdonmaydew876 Dante's words: "I laid him out."

[@poboxchristmas380]

​@@camdonmaydew876 oh, they showed marks in court. Did you miss that? You can see Miu go down hard from the punch in the video, not sure why you missed that especially i you believe Madison got hit (which NOBODY sees). What else you don't see is any reaction from Madison or any marks on her. Remember, Madison either destroyed evidence or falsified evidence in a murder trial. That's why she refused to be on video lol

[@poboxchristmas380]

@@motherofcats2712 exactly. And there was one of them that told the police, got on his ass or something. Was it Owen?

[@diercire]

"runs up like a hippopotamus" damn... low but accurate.

[@l.n.2774]

great break down of the incident. well done showing both sides of the conflict and the possible application of self defense. Knowing a lot of details of the tragedy you almost had me in the first part. Unfortunately in instances like this there are no winners or losers, only victims and survivors.

[@fabian_99]

the last 2 minutes are the most imporrant lesson inthis video... hopefully most people will watch this far

[@njp4340]

A balanced assessment is so hard to find these days. I saw a few videos on that case and none were showing all the important parts in the footage.

[@basedoz5745]

Don't agree with everything you said, but I can appreciate someone actually realizing that the guy who stabbed the kids ran up to these kids tubes and physically confronted them first.

[@mslautte1]

I watched most of the trial...he was guilty. The jury reached the correct verdict and they did so quickly.

[@horatiomarchese3980]

And this is why we are a Republic, not a Democracy.

[@lattebumb]

Good break down. Taking all the info into account. All parties could have avoided this. I’m pretty sure the old is the aggressor.

[@user-je2hu7rn8t]

Pretty sure? Based on what? MSM brainwash narrative.Good 4 u.

[@censored4770]

You forgot the part where just before they pushed him they not only all told him to leave, but he pulls the knife out essentially brandishing it with what looks like a sinister smirk on his face, then the camera pans away for a moment so you don't see that he hit or pushed the blonde girl causing her sunglasses to fall off. Like yeah the jury did their job correctly. If someone aggressively approached my group, didn't leave when we told him too, and while acting creepy he pulls a knife and assaults a girl.. yeah he's not catching fists, he's catching lead.

[@pathfinder7614]

Im so glad you made a video about hema. Matt Eaaton did a response to it, i watched your videos and thought, "No no. He has a point guys". Started watching more of your stuff which lead me to discovering Seth, the Enkampe boys, and a few others. I love watching your guys stuff! Any plans on more colabs with the guys soon?

[@usrIO30581l]

The old man life was never in danger at all. He had many options to leave as the lady even warned the old man to leave when old guy was creating a nuisance. He also stabbed a person trying to break him away from the group. The alt right wing are make a big gas light argument of “self defense” when there wasn’t any proof of life threatening situations.

[@JR-gp2zk]

6:25 This part I don't understand is why did this guy start going ape shit in the beginning without saying anything about a phone.

[@cycleboy8028]

Miu did say somethign about looking for a phone. There is a short video preceding this. And the kids misunderstood or just twisted words. Started hollering and calling him weirdo and stuff. He went over, Miu says, because the phone being held up recording him he thought they were saying is a phone the found. Supposedly stumbled in the river coming over and caught himself on their tubes. Then they start yelling louder and he leaves to talk to the "adults" coming, hoping they'd listen to him.

[@brownsey1]

​@cycleboy8028 That seems like a very positive spin by Miu. I'm not saying it didn't happen that way, as I'm sure there's significant context missing from the video, but it's hard to conpletely trust that account too.

[@JK-vc7ie]

That's why he's in jail for murder

[@francesholliday5427]

Before the video of Mr Miu running towards the tubes, there is some context (and a shorter 9 second video) As far as I can gather Mr Miu was searching for a phone which someone in his group lost in the river. The youngsters asked him what he was doing. He said he was looking for a phone. The youngsters accused Miu of saying he was looking for "little girls." Yet, they couldn’t have misheard him, because one of them who was sitting in a tube, waved a phone in the air so Miu could see, probably pretending they had the phone for which he was searching. Mr Miu ran over toward the guy pretending to have the lost phone and the guy put the phone down in an attempt to conceal it somewhere in the tube/water (it was reported all phones had protective cases/bags to repel water damage). Miu put his snorkel (which he was using in shallow water to search for the missing phone) in his mouth so he could free both his hands to retrieve the phone. Miu reached down into the tube where the guy was sitting and concealing the phone, when Miu's arms brushed against the dudes legs inadvertently in the process of reaching for the phone The drunk dudes admitted they were taunting Miu with a phone to lure him over to them while they were recording for the "culture" of having fun at someone else's expense and posting it online. They posted images of Miu online with salacious captions which read (something to the effect of...), "This old guy said he was looking for little girls."

[@JK-vc7ie]

@@francesholliday5427 Well, the murderer and his lawyer thoroughly explained their version of events in a court of law. And he was found to be in gross violation of the law and will spend the rest of his life in jail. He ran up on on the teenagers who were minding their own business. He was was acting in a totally aggressive and bizarre manner. The teenagers responded as most people would to such aggressive and strange behavior. Instead of saying, sorry for jumping in your business here, I'm looking for my phone, would you mind helping me. He does the opposite and escalates the situation at every turn to the point of stabbing five people and murdering one of them. You are not allowed to murder a teenager because you can't find your phone. Again, he had is day in court. All of the evidence was presented. He told his side of the story. He was found guilty.

[@ghostdog2898]

Excellent vid

[@ridk689]

“ I don’t concealed carry a tomahawk…but I could “😂

[@christopherdraper4251]

I’ve basically been saying exactly what you said. I agree the kids are degenerates and losers. But the guy was obviously looking for this. This was an ego trip not a fear of death. He couldn’t take the fact he was 50 and these little kids were talking shit so he looked for a problem and found one. My biggest thing is that the guy could’ve literally done so much to them besides for this. Like even if he got up and beat the shit out of a kid we probably wouldn’t be talking about this. But he chose to walk over with a knife, look for trouble, and found it, and used his knife in a very weak case of self defense.

[@Dharmabum2000]

He would have been jumped by 15 NOT little kids.

[@gristlebauer]

What Is the brand of the concealed holster & the knife that fits into it? Also, where do I get that Tomahawk, amazing setup!

[@hard2hurt]

Empress from wingsrd wearables i did a review look it up

[@dirtywhiteboy2153]

The movie "Let's go to prison" defines a jury perfectly. "A jury is made up of 12 people so stupid, they couldn't even think of an excuse to get out of jury duty."

[@zachb.6606]

I've watched the video several times and I can't tell what's really going on. This is a good breakdown of what *could* be happening based on what we can see, body language, your experience as a police officer, etc. Love the advice at the end about closing your mouth and walking away.

[@nicholascarver1]

Mike you look so refreshed!

[@hard2hurt]

I been drinking water and sleeping more

[@biglc034]

Not self defense

[@Grooove_e]

I've seen people argue the whole "mob mentality" of the teens. While I agree that the teenagers or the one older mom that showed up did absolutely nothing to deescalate the situation, Nicolae had plenty of opportunity to just leave the area. Im from Wisconsin and the Apple River is well known for being occupied by angry drunks, and young stupid kids during the summertime. I personally think the court handled this one appropriately. He ended up guilty of 1 count of 1st deg reckless hom, and 4 counts of 1st deg reckless endangering safety. He will spend the rest of his life in prison, and hopefully the kids learned a lesson about not escalating for no reason because you never know how crazy people can be.

[@tipsygypsy711]

8:00 - 11:41 Thank you!!! First reasonable explanation of what went down I heard so far.

[@JohnSmith-ti8sf]

Women can be a total nightmare in these situations, running their mouths with the confidence that they won’t be hit. Take her out of this equation and it might have never happened

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

The thing about a jury - morons or not - is that they sit through an entire trial and hear everything presented to the court. We, as outside observers, do not hear everything presented, nor do we experience first hand the demeanor and behavior of witnesses called to testify. One cannot watch a televised trial and expect to truly get all the nuance and information that would be gleaned by being present for the entirety of the process. I recall this being a big thing with "Making a Murderer" on Netflix, where people watched 6 or so hours of a mockumentary (made by a family friend of the accused no less) and then wondered how the jury could possibly have found him guilty. The answer is the jury spent 8+ hours a day attending the trial for weeks on end, everyone else only saw edited highlights. Besides officers of the court, nobody has more nuanced understanding of the case than the jury that heard it. People need to stop asking why they reach the verdicts they do because the answer is simple: they know more about the trial than you do.

[@loszhor]

Agreed, I'm finding most people are only going off of the one of the videos and nothing more.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

@@darthelmo1 Oh, yeah, Miu was absolutely guilty. I'm talking more about the general reaction to jury decisions where people think they somehow know more about a trial and the "correct result" than the people who actually went through it.

[@michaelmazmanian1663]

Finally a good analysis from a real SD person. Hopefully the KZbin wannabe SD/law experts will take the time to watch this. While I don't believe in blaming victims, they do provide us with teachable moments. Pointing out that this guy was acting stupid and ran up on those kids creating an atmosphere of SD of their part, is everything here. Also your dismissal of juries is clearly your ex cop bias speaking, and the "whoever is left who isn't smart enough to get out of jury duty" is just another nod to your bias and misunderstanding of the intention of the system. If those people who get out of jury duty are smart, why are they then complaining about the validity of jury verdicts. What you said about the process is basically garbage hard right and left wingers spout, but your SD assessment is spot on. Miu def was stuck on stupid and a little investigation into his social media (now deleted) and acquaintances could have borne out the "blood lust" theory you mentioned. 7/10 on this vid.

[@FRMN8R_T4R]

Excellent breakdown of the dynamics of self defense - who is the initial aggressor (which can change throughout the encounter) and totality of circumstances.

[@BN99239]

Six years ago, I launched a unique self-defense workshop with a focus on verbal strategies and situational awareness. We charged $120 per hour, a fee I believed was justified by the value of the skills imparted. In our sessions, we engaged in thoughtful discussions rather than physical exercises. I presented various scenarios, and each participant shared how they would respond. Together, we critiqued these responses, including my own. Despite my belief in the effectiveness of these techniques, I faced criticism and was labeled a scammer and a fraud by some who were disappointed by the lack of physical training. I maintain that mastering verbal and psychological strategies is crucial and often the best first line of defense in many situations.

[@simonlee2769]

You gotta remember videos like this don't start at the very beginning. Why assume those 'kids' weren't being aggressive to his question about thelat phone? Also it's really unfair to say that he has to walk away and give up that phone. It's wild you don't think it's right to stand up for your/friend's property. But even in your reasoning, those 'kids' surrounded him and attacked him. That's enough reason for self defense. Why does the blanket statement of 'just walk away from trouble' apply to him and not those assailants?

[@EliteCPR]

Yeah, I've always hated the "just walk away" thing. It's correct a lot of the time, of course, but it's also used as this blanket statement to just throw blame on whichever party you want to. And it's so unrealistic. Just walking away any time there's a whiff of conflict, you wouldn't be able to exist in public.

[@harveypolanski755]

When you run over and start getting physically aggressive with other people it’s no longer self defense. Also, this guy lies his arse off when questioned by the police. His claim that he was looking for a friends cell phone was just another lie he concocted after the fact to justify the fact that he ran over to the group.

[@inceldestroyer6334]

Holy shit he's not a cop he has no right to "get his phone back" be an adult and call the police if you suspect a crime or kill a kid and spend the rest of your life in jail