The Climate Change Authority tries to convince me that batteries are the future of energy - 4.11.24

Batteries will never store enough energy to backup renewables.
In Estimates I tried to get a straight answer on just how long the life of a battery is.
Needless to say I couldn’t get one.
They can currently (in optimal conditions) provide a small amount of energy for 2 to 4 hours.
This of course isn’t long enough if the entire grid is to be powered by renewables.
Longer term storage has to be provided by pumped hydro which requires the construction of enormous pumping stations powered by wind and solar.
As shown by the Snowy Pumped Hydro, pumped hydro is not only ludicrously expensive, it is incredibly destructive to the environment.
When pressed on just how much battery technology has improved, Matt Kean couldn’t give a straight answer.
The fact is the cost of building enough batteries to back up the energy grid run by renewables is prohibitive and will never work.
#auspol

[@raymondphillips3102]

Just sack the climate change authority

[@midnightteapot5633]

A real climate change authority would be focusing on the activity of the sun and the solar system, not cow farts and gas stoves.

[@GFYYT11111]

🚫 Weather modification 🚫 Energy Weapons 🚫 poisoning our resources I can go on & on....

[@clydesimpson1462]

Another 400 for the Dole.

[@melbguy1]

That authority sounds like a UN sattelite office.

[@robberlin2230]

Imagination is more important than intelligence. Being unable to envisage this fully implemented means the council is sold on the idea of giving money to everyone

[@petethomas9623]

These 600k a year idiots do not care about cost to the peasants.

[@clydesimpson1462]

When they all get a $20,000+ annual pay rise, they just don't give a toss

[@_wallnutz_]

They are sending our Peking gas overseas for a pittance to make Peking duck.

[@davech07]

Or the planet. Climate change is pure fraud.

[@bobmaxwell9572]

Time for a Trump moment!

[@jamesyoung4834]

You mean the ones dreaming up trillion dollar nuclear plants?

[@stewartread4235]

You can never sell a second hand battery, you just bin it. So not renewable, disposable...! We live in a Clown World.

[@troothseeker7312]

To create “A Battery” is so toxic Climate Change is a “them Controlling the way we LIVE”! We are AWAKE to their BS🇦🇺

[@thebigcheese3489]

Dear PM, Please just burn coal, we’re suffering under the weight of expenses and it would be nice to have cheap electricity like you promised. Regards Pissed off Public

[@antonyjh1234]

Please admit to 16c above the average of 14c in the future will not be survivable by 90% of the world's species. Regards Anybody that can read.

[@terryquarton2523]

Taxpayers forked out 2.4 billion dollars in medical bills each yr from coal rated diseases. Now think how many people a dying in Australia.

[@Boobook663]

He’s no dear

[@antonyjh1234]

The public also wants sanity around the point of what coal does, not whether it is cheap or not, all money is debt issued by the banks so why does it matter what we spend it on?

[@infidel202]

It matters substantially as we have to pay extra taxes to repay the debt ​@@antonyjh1234

[@TrevorProctor]

I’m only a truck driver but I can see the stupidity in this renewed and battery storage crap . Great work Senator Rennick .🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇳🇮

[@shaneobrien148]

🇵🇸

[@tuijapeltonen8075]

totally agree

[@davefoord1259]

Only a truck driver? You are more important than those fools in the CCA. You certainly achieve more positive results

[@yasi4877]

@@davefoord1259 Truckers saved Canada.

[@larry514]

You say only a Truck Driver…. However you can see through all this B/S these fools are speaking.👍

[@grahamsengineering.2532]

As a Mechanical Fitter, I can tell that Batteries do not produce electricity, they only store it. These idiots have to be sacked immediately immediately.

[@alexholker1309]

No, that part is fine - the point of the batteries and pumped hydro is to store the surplus from wind and solar production so that it can mitigate the inherent unreliability of these power sources. You can attack them on the cost of sufficient reserve storage, or the cost of keeping an entire second power plant on standby so civilisation doesn't end if we have a six day calm with five days of battery life, but they do understand the fundamental principles.

[@OldBismarck]

Where did anyone say that batteries produce electricity?

[@AshleyJOsborne]

​@@OldBismarckMatt Kean tried a slight of hand and pulled nuclear energy generation into the storage debate. It is just political oratory at it lowest.

[@diannafiredal]

@@AshleyJOsborne you mean sleight of hand. In any case, nuclear is currently being touted as the big alternative to renewables (despite the fact that LNP figures have stated that this is purely a political suggestion, is not actually going to produce the cheapest power, and zero reactors are likely to ever be built even if Dutton becomes PM), so it doesn't seem so much a sleight of hand, as a big part of the current context and one of the first examples of an alternative that would spring to mind.

[@sentimentalbloke185]

@@diannafiredal Kean stated nuclear is outdated when it is palpably not.

[@markspin4596]

Can you please tell these deadbeats that we export 300 million (plus) ton of coal a year and to remind the government that it is a big contradiction in the name of so-called climate change.

[@user-tq4zm9yr6l]

My thoughts too.They are quite happy to export the stuff to china but we can’t use it.Seriously crazy

[@adrian_z]

Same applies to our natural gas which isn't really any better despite the green washing

Well said mate, that really puts it in perspective

[@Mooglydere]

Because it DOES NOT exist. We are ALL witnessing the one of the biggest and greatest hoaxes in human HISTORY. The great transfer of wealth is what it SHOULD be called

[@Techo1329]

It's all a side show. Common sense will ultimately prevail. Anyone who thinks we are going to run on non-traditional base load over the next century, and continue growing our population is a dimwit.

[@benbrown2470]

Why are my batteries getting more and more expensive if the cost of battery production is eating other forms of energy storages lunch? I think the guy is a bald faced liar!!!

[@db5351]

And our electricity prices keep going up.

[@Thommo57]

Matt Kean is a tool

[@ADF-Maloo]

⁠@@db5351he said batteries,but it’s because it’s unregulated and no doubt politicians have shares in the business that produce the power so more for them if the company makes more money.

[@scottcarr3264]

He is Probably a Labour party "Plant", just to get Albo's Ideas the "go-ahead".

[@peejayem4700]

what batteries are getting more and more expensive?

[@briananderson7285]

Coal-fired is Australia's cheapest, cleanest source of power. Climate change is a political policy, a business model.

[@antonyjh1234]

Climate change is reality, saying coal is cheapest is only correlated to the second sentence in that it makes it worse. Nonetheless, in a tank of diesel is the same amount of energy as 3.2 months of my electrical energy with the air con going 24-7, if someone uses a tank a week for a year, that is equal to 17 years of my electrical energy. Electricity is easy to replace, we do it with solar, batteries can take this energy and be on demand with a lifetime of years. If a battery can be plonked in the middle of a suburb that has solar, less energy will come through the system during say a heat wave which will happen, because of climate change.

[@briananderson7285]

@antonyjh1234 Solar and wind on a large scale does not work. Co2 is plant food the tree's and the Great Barrier reef love it. Have a look at what Solar panels and wind turbines are doing to the Great Dividing range.

[@antonyjh1234]

@@briananderson7285 Does not work in maintaining this system, completely agree. Australians have a per capita emission rate above Americans now, this system based around oil that USA stole in wars and we use, is probably on its last legs, change is coming and that might be system change. Plants are now adapting by smaller tree rings, less growth and smaller leaves, they are also finding with smaller leaves they transpire less so will take in less moisture, possibly from memory 90%. Look I get it, this is Australia and all the old guys think they know what's up by listening to fossil fuel propaganda but ultimately. in a lot of modern countries electricity is 20% of the countries total energy emission, talking about this small percentage of electricity going in batteries or a reduction in coal use is bad if people have solar panels on their roof, is basically nonsense unless we admit to system change is needed, that might not be the consumption levels we have had the last 80 years, if consumption can decrease in the main polluting source, oil, then coal would be next, if you believe 1% of what climate scientists have said for the last 50 years.

[@lloydsingline340]

Thats the most waffle Ive heard for a while !! You don't get heatwaves BECAUSE of climate change !!Heatwaves,droughts, floods, blizzards et al have been occurring for centuries and will continue!! Weather events are a part of climate !! For heavens sake,I wish you and your ilk would learn some basic Geography !!​@antonyjh1234

[@dduckman1423]

@@antonyjh1234 So the less Co2 the less vegetation, what a good idea.

[@Clive-qe4qo]

We need to go full Trump on these people

[@bushranger900]

Nuclear, Coal and Gas, the rest is bloody fairy dust

[@user-vk4vd7vr5t]

How much are your power bills champ

[@biggils8894]

@ user-vk4vd7vr5t You been brainwashed into thinking the one time subsidies that we pay for are what? You will soon be paying every cent back and times that by a thousand. You won’t even be able to afford to run your refrigerator soon

[@j_sum1]

​@@user-vk4vd7vr5tMore now that we have intermittent power and are dropping the only reliable sources.

[@biggils8894]

@ user-vk4vd7vr5t. You will soon be paying every cent back and times that by a thousand on those one time subsidies that we pay for. You won’t even be able to afford to run your refrigerator soon

[@j_sum1]

@bushranger. To be fair, hydro and geothermal are viable sources where the geography allows them. But Australia is a geologically inactive lump of rock. And it is flat and has bugger-all rain.

[@Prophet308]

Does this incompetent bureaucrat understand the mass environmental destruction from batteries and windmills? No.

[@clydesimpson1462]

I bet he has no trouble reading his pay packet.

[@user-vk4vd7vr5t]

And still miniscule compared to mining coal and extracting gas and then burning it.

[@Lee-cc9jf]

He is dumb because he says batteries are evolving but nuclear is an old world technology.

[@user-vk4vd7vr5t]

@@Lee-cc9jf nuclear is too slow, too expensive and not suited to Australia. Even coal-dust-face canavan admitted that

[@suekimpton7874]

Is that why the fires in US - those houses sat on lithium deposits and we all suddenly need big batteries.

[@Thisisnolongerajoke]

They are lying grifters.

[@philrobinson2327]

Long duration stupidity is more like it!!!

[@owenbarnes773]

and it looks like long duration stupidity is going to be sustained (oops, i mean sustainable)

[@drmarine1771]

He's smarter than the whole loser Labor party.

[@antonyjh1234]

How loose are they now that Australia day piss ups are banned?

[@gardengnome3249]

@@antonyjh1234 But they aren't we had 3 in my neighbourhood alone. No coppers attended in uniform any way.

[@antonyjh1234]

@@gardengnome3249 Police find them hard to catch as Labor members don't know who they are anymore, so remain hidden.

[@BuckJoFiden]

‘Loser’ And yes they are 💯

[@gardengnome3249]

@ mind less.

[@jimmycook872]

What is this technology that's bringing down the cost. Where is this overwhelming evidence. Someone needs to be held to account and sent to jail for MISLEADING the general Australian public.

[@peejayem4700]

Battery prices have dropped from $1,000 per kw/h to around $150 kw/h over 10 years - and continues to drop. The evidence is market prices.

[@alanharrison573]

This bald guy guy is simply a liar!

[@anthonybaiocchi3028]

​@@peejayem4700bullshit

[@diannafiredal]

the "technology" is partly development of better battery chemistries and the like, and largely a massive increase in production capacity. If you don't know that batteries have dropped dramatically in the last decade, you haven't looked into the matter. Educate yourself before you call for people to be put in jail for being misleading.

[@Camilian66]

We cannot jail someone for misleaing information, that bill was scapped :)

[@brontepetropoulos4755]

COAL AND GAS ❤

[@andreamusacchio]

yeah but don't give it away for free to corporations!

[@viewfrommylensjane]

agree

[@jkwmyplace1254]

Definitely and then we transition to Nuclear using the same distribution network

[@klausmuhlhoff1464]

Thank you for your work Senator Rennick . When will the Government give up and face reality and stop this Bowen lead insanity of renewables . The only thing that's renewable about it is that you have to replace it .

[@BSA-Legend]

If you think the duopoly of Australia's government can do anything more than gas bagging the BS we are on a slow coach to hell. Australian voters need to understand who is trying to figure it out and learn how to vote - and no the media won't teach you either.

[@OldBismarck]

The goal is CO2 reduction. Where have you been for the last 35 years?.

[@diannafiredal]

good thing coal fired power stations never wear out and never need replacing, and are not breaking down with increasing frequency as the years go on, eh?

[@rustysworldofentertainment850]

@diannafiredal That is a foolish argument and you know it. Your car would break down frequently if you ran it ragged and failed to maintain it whilst polishing the wheels of your scooter.

[@diannafiredal]

@ so they don't wear out and don't ever need replacing, then? Is that what you're saying?

[@SandraLemming]

What a clown. This guy did not want to specifically answer the questions 😂

[@Bogm8]

If the technology is evolving so rapidly, why would we not wait for maturity to build? Build today, outdated tomorrow.... Genius!

[@adventtrooper]

That seems to be the idea. There's always some new tech just round the corner that will solve the problem, so long as we don't build "old" reliable power generation infrastructure that we know will work for 50+ years. Instead buy new wonder plant that needs bulldozing and renewing every decade on some massive rolling programme that continuously circumnavigates the country.

[@diannafiredal]

that's not how it works. The uptake of technologies like this actually helps to fuel their development. If we never used technologies until they mature, no technologies would be mature.

[@gavriloprincip1477]

Case in Point, NBN Taxpayers $60-90 Billion cost so far and still not finished. Slow, third world, clunky and expensive. Now Starlink, cost to a private individual $1,000 to setup and blistering capabilities. Mr Keane on a $1,000,000 pa : " Hello, I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Trust him? I don't. DRAIN THE SWAMP. Where is our DOGE?

[@peterdixon7144]

As Ralph Babet said, these people in Canberra are not terribly bright.

[@viewfrommylensjane]

wrong! they are dishonest

[@captainsensible298]

This is what happens when you have people with a shallow depth of understanding on any subject making decisions of enormous consequence. The battery terchnology is changing, this is true but it takes YEARS sometimes DECADES for new tech to ramp up into production. Having worked technically at major sites with battery UPS and diesel fail over, ALL this needs to be maintained, batteries have a relatively short operational life. Having our once reliable power grid destroyed by these idiots with normal checks and balances for review of the best path forward is a disaster for ALL of us.

[@Ezzybear]

Keep talking sense Senator ❤ god bless

[@redgatecrt]

How many times do I hear, cheaper prices only for prices to double!!!! Labor is BS!!!!

[@scottcarr3264]

Yeah, and If the Federal MORONS spend the Billions for Turbines and The 1.2 TRILLION dollars for poles and wires to get that power to the Network, It is all Going to make OUR ELECTRICITY PRICES GO UP EVEN MORE, also with the amount of Wind Turbines Bowen wants to put in, How many Thousand more Native birds are going to be KILLED, by these Monstrosities.

[@Gumbatron01]

Even if you assumed a 3 orders of magnitude lower cost for batteries, you would still need to spend the entire GDP of the country to install enough capacity. These people are trying to apply Moore's Law to battery storage. While Moore's Law worked for computer technology for several decades, with things like energy storage, you will very soon run into the Laws of Physics and they don't care about your ideology. Here's an idea, get these Net Zero proponents to set up a test system.... lets call it Canberra, where they use their own budget to install adequate generation and storage capacity to run everything with a reliable energy system for 5 years, then they can present the statistics of the obtained reliability and cost of such a system. We could move some offices there too, to better simulate a real world load, maybe the CSIRO for a start. No fossil fuels, no connection to the main grid, a fully independent model system. Surely, they would be enjoying the benefits of their "free" electricity in no time, and if it's so good the rest of the country will be clamoring to get on board.

[@bobgillis1137]

My thoughts as well. Undoubtedly, they would insist upon back up generators reliant upon fossil fuels, much in the same way that some heat pump units employ electric heaters to make-up for the shortfall in colder climates. This is about control, not about the environment.

[@grantbuttenshaw]

Battery cost curve has already played out....prices won't wall any further....the Chinese are already making a loss on every battery sold... The largest cost for batteries was the manufacturing process and its fallen.. now only makes up 15% if the cost of the battery

[@Luum81]

And they must be completely electric, from cooking to cars. Lawnmowers, motorbikes, everything. No backups except a battery system.

[@gregharding7329]

this makes my blood boil. You cannot for one second compare a storage battery to Nuclear power. Batteries are only a storagge device and a very inefficient large scale device at that. Nuclear power generates huge amounts of power on a tiny footprint that runs 24 hours a day 7 days a week 365 days a year.

[@kanderson4417]

We are being ruled by fools.

[@JustIn-mu3nl]

Remember as the spruikster said, it's a different type of electricity, maybe some magical type that a unicorn at the end of the rainbow revealed the secret technology of.

[@shanecollie5177]

And has a service life of around 80 years,as apposed to 15-20 year service life of wind,solar, and batteries. Also according to the US DOE, wind and solar require around 10 x the raw materials (cement, steel primarily) per unit of installed capacity, but wind/solar only have a capacity factor of 25%, inflating the raw materials required 4 fold to 40x, then quarter the service life increases that four fold again, now 160x, thats all before the extra transmission infrastructure required, and storage requirement, Pure madness.

[@fstop9466]

Why does China get a free pass to cheap coal based energy and not us with our minute population?

[@Epic3032]

or India for that matter.

[@coolmacatrain9434]

@@Epic3032 There are 133 million people in Ethiopia (that's 6 times the since of Australia) and there's nearly a quarter of a billion in Nigeria (that's 12 times the size of Australia) ... just to mention two countries! (Brazil has a nearly a quarter of a Billion people as well). China is over a billion as is India... None of those (plus another hundred or more) are paying one iota of attention to climate change and never will. Folks, the West is being made a fool of by our own people.

[@Pokersmith]

They are exempt because they are classed as developing nations. Australia will qualify for that soon if we keep going the way we are.

[@markspin4596]

Because they are termed a third world country.

[@unicornkisses7359]

​@@coolmacatrain9434💯🎯

[@dave24-73]

Considering how bad batteries are for the environment it seems to be crazy that batteries are being promoted as green. Ideally go nuclear with SMRs note just because batteries are cheap doesn’t make them green.

[@evelyn2178]

Sorry, it is a furphy, all it does is cost a lot of money for little in return. We have the cleanest coal that is reliable and now we have a blight on our landscape that is costing the Australian tax payers a hell of a lot of money for a pipe dream, who is profiting from all of this, definitely not the tax payers that's for sure.

[@diannafiredal]

the coal allegedly being the cleanest doesn't mean it's a good thing. Sort of like "the least smelly shit".

[@yasi4877]

@@diannafiredal Tell that to India and China. We can burn coal cleanly.

[@davidswain5916]

I can’t wait to see this downward pressure on prices of electricity as my bill is going up way too fast. We had the cheapest power in Australia 70 years ago but since the greens got involved all that has changed. We also had the greenest energy with no batteries, solar panels or wind turbines to manufacture and then dispose off not to mention the gas from exploding batteries and the fires that can’t be extinguished or the second hand EV that no one wants.

[@yessharp472]

Spot on David.

[@lindalily69]

In Victoria any new houses they are building is not allowed to have gas at all. It's insane.

[@silversurfer5707]

Who gives them the right to NOT ALLOW Gas to whomever wants it

[@peter-t5e]

can,t have gas but not enough power ,sounds right for labour choose hot water meal or charge the ev u can,t have all unless u r a pollie

[@yasi4877]

@@peter-t5e They want you in an EV so they can control where you go and when.

[@alexandermelbaus2351]

So much gas is being exported and there will be insufficient gas to supply Victoria in the coming years; So the plan is to reduce gas usage in Victoria. It is such a gigantic mess, that defies all logic; It is so bad, that it is difficult to believe and this is no exaggeration. Talk of nuclear power is a way of shifting the discussion away from the gas catastrophe. We have enormous gas reserves, numerous operational gas mines and a vast piping infrastructure already established. The gas price and supply only need to be properly adjusted. Australia is not being operated as a nation, but as a resource in a world republic.

[@polarxta2833]

Politicians love stringing together catch phrases dont they. They obviously know nothing personally. Just corpo speak. Its sad that they earn so much doing this.

[@unicornkisses7359]

And that the people PAYING them (you and I!) Do absolutely NOTHING about this!

[@lornacarlos]

If getting out of Paris Cilmate Agreement is good enough for USA, it is good enough for Australia. It is hurting the country and majority of Australians.

[@gavriloprincip1477]

" It is hurting the country ..." Should read : " It is DESTROYING the country ..."

[@GrooberNedJardine]

I would not trust the CSIRO to do my grocery shopping .

[@geob8172]

In the future these fools will find some excuse for being wrong. In the mean time they will continues to be paid Hugh wages to buy expensive suits. Give them all a Zelensky T-Shits to wear and save our taxes.

[@tipofthespear7182]

I'm at a loss to believe anything these people say Senator. It's evolving so fast , in his words , that you can , bring me my portable shovel and bring me my portable pick and bring me my portable bulldozer the Bullshit is getting too thick .

[@tlb2970]

Matt Keen is really keen in destroying Australia 😂

[@s_p_onarge8720]

And don’t forget, all the billions and billions of dollars spent on solar farms and wind turbines will have to be spent again because they’ve got a maximum lifespan of 10 to 15 years. It’s a never-ending circle of infinitely ridiculous cost for an unstable, not very green national electricity grid system. Burning diesel would be cheaper and more efficient and probably greener with everything factored in

[@tallboy49]

The only true thing said about renewables is having to renew the wind turbines and solar panels for ever and guess who is going to pay for all of this. You yes you through ever increasing power prices. Bowen never mentions this when he is crowing about how cheap the power is going to be . The wind and the sunlight are free but when they hit the generators that is when it costs.

[@peter-t5e]

renewales r that a renewable debt evey 15 yrs unless there is a hail storm then sooner ,alp at there best in idiocy bowen and albo the star clowns

[@wayneharrison]

Unicorns and rainbows on repeat. 🦄 🌈 = 🤥

[@andrewst9797]

One thing India and Australia have in common is that any progress in "climate change" and the standard of living is cancelled out by excessive population growth.

[@peter-t5e]

how do you get net o when u imported a million people from 3rd world countrys who want a car ,gas a/con/ house/ infrastructure pls explain,paulie asked wrong this question replied arogantly, well actually just waffle no answer as usual

[@iandibley8032]

I believe if Australia continues down Bowen/ ALP path, we will have more brown/ blackouts. The wind doesn't blow, and the sun doesn't shine. there is no way Australia could never have enough batteries to supply base load power. The Snowy project is miles over budget & years behind on completion. I worked on Tarong & Gladstone power stations in Qld 40 years ago except for a small gas plant at Chinchilla. Little has been done by both the major parties, it seems being reelected is more important. Clean Coal or Nuclear is needed for guaranteed base load power the every Australian needs & deserves. Keep on twiddling your thumbs, boys.

[@iainw5081]

We can burn coal, oil, gas, bio gas, etc. cleanly as the tech exists. We have tons of Thorium and Uranium and it's possible to extract energy from temperature gradients in large bodies of water and the Earth. Wind and Solar is micky mouse tissue paper infrastructure.

[@diannafiredal]

batteries are not for providing base load power, and if you're talking about it like that's the idea of batteries, you don't actually understand the idea. You don't need base load, you need dispatchability. The idea is that with sufficient battery storage and a relatively small amount of gas peaking, you have what you need to provide energy at times when renewable generation is low.

[@rosa9079]

Keep at them Senator Rennick.

[@kateabbott7919]

This fellow is talking in ideology not in hard facts. Notice he never did say how much the storage length gas increased - in other words he was talking through his hat. These policies will be the death of this country

[@iainw5081]

Out of his arse more like.

[@diannafiredal]

storage length is directly related to how big you build the battery. It was a not a particularly great question. Technology will evolve and energy density will improve to some extent, but outside of huge developments which create a step change in battery capacity, the main thing changing at the moment is the cost of batteries, so you can build bigger batteries for the same amount of money over time.

[@mattyj4852]

They can’t expect us to take them seriously. They’re having a laugh!

[@MichaelCsikos]

Wait, so nuclear power is "old technology"? I'm pretty sure dams have been around a lot longer.

[@diannafiredal]

I think what he meant was "mature". In that it's been around in more or less its current form for a long time, and its economics are not changing (actually it appears they're getting worse given the extent of the cost blowouts on reactor builds even in countries with established nuclear power industries like France and the UK), whereas battery tech is still developing and the economics have been improving substantially over the last decade and are expected to continue to do so for some time yet.

[@russallchin5552]

Liars. Just want to keep their $600000 Jobs. Wow hope they are eventually held responsible 😡😡😡😡

[@clydesimpson1462]

Sack the lot.

[@terramung]

The CCA is just a joke. Batteries? Technology on battery storage is evolving that quickly, we should have a battery that last up to 6 hours by the year 2525 and has a lifetime of 3 months. We will need 100,000 batteries at 40 million dollars each.

[@alexandermelbaus2351]

Don't forget the extra hour we will get from our electric car batteries that are being produced to power the grid. Batteries with enormous storage also require enormous charging. 7.2kw output for about 12 hours to charge a typical car at home. To give some idea of power; Most residences have 2 circuits for power points, each capable of 4800 watts or 9.6 kilowatts. The numbers do not add up. Wind farm sites are considered good if they produce 30% of their rated output, many do less. Wind farms with 4X the rated output are not going to provide the same reliability as a coal powerplant, even with massive battery packs. The cost and technical difficulty is so ridiculous, it is completely impractical. A bottomless pit. They will never be able to install enough renewable to keep up with the increased demand if electric cars are purchased in any significant quantity each year and the infrastructure to supply the massive amounts of power needed even without faster charging is another challenge of epic proportions.

[@runderwo]

Spoken like a marketing seminar!

[@russelldean2070]

Direct questions smoke and mirror answers!

[@lozjones315]

Haven't seen one indication of "downward pressure on prices". Never will.

[@VK4VO]

Correct, in fact by 2030, the price will be in excess of $1kwh and many won't have power, dark times are upon us. If you think we have had high inflation in the last few years, you aint seen nothing yet. From here on in, shits just getting more expensive,,, interest rates are still going to go up,,,, we are all being lied to.

[@shane7033]

Average wholesale prices of electricity for the last year: renewables 39.1% $71.77 gas 5.3% $251.00 coal 55.2% $125.39 Lets use as much coal and gas as possible to reduce electricity prices! 🤔 Solar generation prices have been dropping exponentially, and wind prices more slowly; they will just get cheaper and cheaper. Have a look at perovskite solar cells as one example of what's coming. Batteries can shift excess renewable energy to peak use times times of the day. This minimizes the use of expensive gas peaker plants. For that you don't need "24 hour" battery storage. Battery prices have been dropping at a very quick rate, so the power output and storage capacity of large scale batteries will only increase. That will provide massive downward pressure on wholesale electricity prices. Have a look at what's being done in California, and in SA and WA in the next three years.

[@shane7033]

... the prices for wholesale electricity are $/MWh and percentage contribution

[@VK4VO]

@@shane7033 Your numbers mean squat,,, prices are going up, quadruple by 2030

[@awc900]

@@shane7033 If you have a look at California which has a lot of renewables and 20% nuclear, it's power prices are around double that of other states that use far more nuclear. It also has to regularly import energy from those states.

[@StephenWalker-wq1uk]

Charge your electric car over night using solar panels, by order Bowen and elbo

[@talbotdentureclinic9123]

If it needs subsidies it's not viable 😂

[@peterwindsor9466]

So you can mine coal export it to a non climate sensitive country to burn but not burn it yourselves?

[@johnpage7735]

Work together like an orchestra 😂 give me a break 😂

[@torrespearls381]

You're talking to a carpet bagger there senator. So, how far has batteries tech improved? He did not answer.

[@kathybenniadi6150]

Can DOGE come to Australia .. no not Libs .. Elon 😀🙌🏻

[@unicornkisses7359]

Wolf in sheep's clothing Not to be trusted! So strange that so many have fallen for these lies as well!

[@bigboy9693]

Does the fool understand they have a limited life and have to charged.

[@philnelson940]

Hang on... Nuclear is a form of power GENERATION, batteries are just a STORAGE medium... 2 different things entirely. Why even mention Nuclear in discussion on power storage ? What gives ?

[@Luum81]

Because nuclear is the big nasty naughty that must be opposed at all costs so it must be mentioned as much as possible and always in negative terms. Can't have anyone thinking nuclear is .... good!!! No, no, no, that won't do at all.

[@wombatsticki23]

Here's why batteries are not capable of running a grid. South Australia has 3.5GW of renewable generation for a grid that requires on average about 2 GW. Total energy consumption for one week will be 2 x 7 x 24 is 336 GWH. South Australia's Batter capacity is 1.018 GWH, or 0.29% of South Australia's weekly energy requirement. For the record South Australia required 116GWH, of backup energy this week, (as renewables could not supply requiremnts), approximately 100x their battery capacity. Sure batteries will work and be cheap. NOT.

[@mackaylady]

This guy has no idea ...full of himself

[@richarddownes5762]

In Far North Qld, there has been a massive dump of rain over many, many days. Very little solar generation and very little wind power - would battery power and (very expensive) gas backup have been an option? No? Thought not....

[@scottvisser7978]

Batteries don't generate energy

[@lloydsingline340]

Batteries go flat and require disposal!!That's a costly venture when you have big battery units !!

[@mungrel6668]

So they're pinning their hopes on stuff that doesn't even exist yet. Got it.

[@adammckay296]

Senator Renmick i don't know how you suffer these vacuous morons with such patience,Thankyou

[@errolmeulen6127]

If it doesn't work they want you to use it/ pay for it . Low feed in tariff " so use your solar power during the day " I am 3 days at work and 2 days for paying taxes. "Buy a large battery for later use "- they have all been recalling them and they may burn the house down when i am working. " Turn your air con during the day so when you get home the house will be cool and then turn it off when you get home ." So when i am not there use it - No wonder space ships don't land for long.

[@fredbear-sf9st]

Batteries again. Another disaster for the environment when they go on fire. Spending billions to for a battery that lasts only a few hours. Batteries are useless for base load and limited power duration.

[@michaelmorgan3421]

Senator Rennick,that man had so much bs coming out of his mouth he even had himself confused tipical over paid public servants with no idea just spends,will these public servant be accountable if it fails ,no just move on to other problem solving

[@JohnWilliamsGTS]

Every time I go to look at Home Batteries, the cost to install them hasn't changed. Either they aren't cheaper, or they are cheaper but the cost savings aren't being passed on to consumers.

[@JohnWilliamsGTS]

Either way, when I calculate the Return on Investment for Home Batteries, the ROI is lower than Bank Interest. That is to say they are a poor investment at the moment.

[@debrashawcross170]

Australian Govt took Climate advice from John Podesta 🍕

[@robbphillips2845]

Kean is a grifter of the first order. Conman,

[@richard1342]

Long period battery storage is decades away. How these climate guys just lie when they don't have an answer

[@DeanThomas-m3e]

So why hasn't the price for a battery on my solar hasn't drop absolute bullshit artist needs to be charged for lying they drop the feed in ratefor solar because they can't store it

[@kevochanner8859]

Batteries may cost less but after 10 years the storage has dropped and need replacing. 23 football field for 700 MW/4 hrs. We require about 1000 football fields of batteries. There is no recycling of batteries. Nuclear 80 years life. Peaking gas when we are now importing gas with 26 more peaking plants required.

[@darylstaggard2611]

Hydro projects will be considerably cheaper if financed from within a National Public Bank of Infrastructure Development. Vote 1 Australian Citizens Party.

[@awc900]

After Snowy 2.0, you'd be much better off pouring money into something that isn't connected with renewable power generation.

[@SimmoR-mr9by]

As someone who has worked on the snowy for 2 years as a sparky...snowy 2.0 is going to do absolutely fuck all. What a waste of money. They have ruined Lobbs hole.

[@Epic3032]

We cannot have MANDATED "renewable" energy, we need CHOICE. We NEED a hybrid approach a balance of coal fired power and solar / battery. "Put down pressure on prices" yeah right! While the price of EVERYTHING, STILL RISING.

[@peterwhelan6144]

A lot of politicians and Public Servants whilst singing the praises of solar and wind so well , could , in their spare time , quite successfully sell SMOKE and MIRRORS .

[@cliffol4529]

one Kilo of uranium vs 1 kilo of battery storage, ill take nuclear energy evert time thanks.

[@ivanf6938]

All this technology is coming. It's going to be cheaper, Its going to last longer. The blind faith of the converted is astounding. How much power will the batteries provide when the wind and solar projects attached to them get wiped out by a cyclone or hailstorm? We require rock solid reliability. Not gunna's and maybe's.

[@guyfanno1]

You never get a yes or no answer.

[@NealCarmont]

The damage being caused by the roll out of solar panels and wind turbines is beyond belief the laws being broken by these departments is like wow Yes polite words being used 😢

[@pglove9554]

Battery's aren't getting cheaper. I have contacts with TTI. Literally the largest battery maker for tools on the planet.

[@user-tq4zm9yr6l]

The old technology actually works the best They are so involved in holding their position in the generous public service they would argue any garbage

[@infidel202]

Smoke and mirrors with jazz hands, keen is full of 💩

[@australiainfelix7307]

Some people are getting rich. The rest of us will bear the costs.

[@alliswell2114]

drain this swamp Dutton

[@Epic3032]

LMAO he's part of that swamp mate, he's PRO NET ZERO

[@kimbo3068]

Dutton is a Globalist Swamper too

[@gardengnome3249]

Dutton would have to go as well. He is deeply embedded. The proof is in his pathetic attempt to be an opposition leader. Patterson would be better.

[@PhilC-i7y]

I'm no multi $100K government energy consultant, but it seems clear to me there are too many uncertainties like weather and technology inadequacies including storage to make any of the renewable "green" energy options viable now and in the near future...

[@jimmycook872]

Anyone else notice that Dutton and Albanese both support net-zero. What kind of a choice is that there both uni parties with the same policies. LOL 😂

[@Epic3032]

People are so blind these days mate, you cannot REASON with them. Dutton is also PRO censorship under the guise of "antisemitism" Misinformation bill 2.0 incoming.

[@lloydsingline340]

Morrison signed us up for net zero hoping to gain the greenie vote !!Dutton can't get out of Paris but he should announce an intention to wind back all types of renewable " farms "that are destroying our economy and certainly not providing cheap energy to encourage investment!!

[@Epic3032]

Oh wow, bloody YT shadowbanned my comment. I can see the replies but not my comment...TRUTH hurts?

[@weaselfarmer000]

Whenever someone says " what i will say is this " , ...you know youre about to hear BS...

[@godoggies1249]

Its b.s and everyone knows it..

[@suekimpton7874]

There's an ad on tv recalling a house battery that they say is faulty and could result in property loss, fire or death to house and or occupants. So I don't think it's safe enough to have these in future as I don't have this threat currently with my current electric status.

[@smilelots4me]

Batteries buy at the lowest price sell at the highest price. This is literally how battery oweners make money in every batter storage company around the world so battery storage guarantee's higher electricity prices.

[@TheLookingGlassAU]

"outdated" is not an objective statement regarding nuclear. This person is clearly sprooking his own portfolio.

[@warwickchristian5682]

They always revert to their ideology when challenged. The department, in its entirety, needs to be dismissed.

[@adamwaz5615]

This guy knows people that know people that need to make money 😡

[@mikldude9376]

Thanks for asking questions keeping the bastards honest Senator Rennick.

[@pushagainstthezeitgeist4968]

Have these guys got an engineer on the payroll at all. Or are they just ignoring the reality that batteries are used to stabilise the grid during times of peak and trough cycles. Not to provide dispatchable power. If you have a home solar system, just look at the output during times of full sun, then wait until a cloud moves across the sun. The output drops instantly. Exactly the same happens to a large solar farm. Now imagine how destabilising that is to the grid. Batteries are used to “fill the void” they do this very well. But to run the grid, even partially, from batteries. Tell ‘em they’re dreaming.

[@jayjaynella4539]

The fires from lithium batteries are also evolving so rapidly.

[@vichetkim5533]

What the Visitor in the red lanyard thinks doesn't matter because why should tax payers fork out unpayable debt to this class of people?

[@damienasmr922]

Where are these amazing, evolving batteries? I'm not seeing them.