Sennheiser HD560s vs HD58x - Different & Average

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Sound Test Parameters - 4:50
Bass Response - 5:22
Mids Response - 8:46
Treble Response - 11:47
Detail Retrieval - 14:04
Soundstage - 16:39
Overall Sound Signature - 18:24
Value & Conclusion - 19:41
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[@VicharB]

2021 and I got myself HD 58x, along with recent update of my older PXC 500 to 500-II for outside usage or late nights. Good review and comparison.

[@brendan5235]

Wow this comparison is simply fantastic. Subscribed!

[@eugenee777]

Hi, I really enjoyed the 560s videos. Would you recommend the 560s or R70x for edm and pop music?

[@NoThemeReviews]

R70x would be my preference

[@CabalNarrow]

Since you use the same songs for comparison I think it would be intresting to make a video where you go through the part of the songs that you listen to, what do you listen to, why and where it falls in the frequency response. Hope that what I mean is clear ^^' Sorry for any typo English's not my first language

[@jimgordon8376]

I’d like that too

[@samgh7166]

I don't have these headphones and I am not planning to buy them, but the content is entertaining and interesting anyway. I still looking forward to review/comparison of Cayin iHA-6 and Musical fidelity mx-hpa.

[@richardlaub889]

Do you find any Sennheiser headphones that you like personally? I own the 58X and I like them. So I was wondering if you liked any of their models? Thanks.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Oh sure: 6xx, 700, 569, 579. I like the 58x just fine, too. Even the 560s is a competent headphone-it doesn’t do anything sonically “wrong”, just different.

[@chungang7037]

@@NoThemeReviews a retro review on the HD700 would be interesting, they are hard to find now and reviews on them are bizarre; people say warm so they don't like it, while others say peaky and treble murder..

[@NoThemeReviews]

@@chungang7037 I’ve thought about comparing the 800s and 700 for a few years. I bought my 700 used on eBay and the seller messaged me and told me to carefully read reviews because it’s not a well received headphone. I kinda like it.

[@chungang7037]

@@NoThemeReviews That would be very interesting ! I often felt like the hatetrain buried it as well.

[@StarbucksBob]

I am currently searching for a ~$200 headphone, do you have a recommendation? To give you some context, I've mainly used earphones because of the discomfort (heat, weight, clamp) I get with headphones. I previously owned a bose qc35, which most would say is very comfortable, but I still can't stand wearing it for long. I recently had a very bad ear inflammation from prolong earbuds (gaming, music, video calls), so now I am reconsidering a pair of overears. I would greatly appreciate your recommendation.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Not knowing the sound signature you want, I can only recommend generally: SHP9600, X2HR, DT880 (250 ohm), DT770. These have fairly large earpads for average people.

[@StarbucksBob]

@@NoThemeReviews Yeah I haven't tried enough headphones to pinpoint a desirable sound signature. Though I do very much appreciate the recommendations. I think the DT 880 would be ideal for me; sound isn't too "fun" if thats even a way to compare it with DT770 and DT990, faux leather headband and semi open back for comfort, and I should be able to drive it with the EVO 4 audio interface without spending more on an amp. Thanks!

[@mairacristian54]

im kind of in the same boat. Maybe im kinda picky on headphones, but i would like a pair that is really comfortable, because i intend to use them for gaming, so a few hours of use is a must. I also bought the bose qc 35, but those are bluetooth and cannot turn ANC off, which kinda sucks for talking on discord. @Whee did you find a good pair yet?

[@StarbucksBob]

@@mairacristian54 I've decided to stick with earbuds for the mean time (try to wear it less), sorry I cant help

[@hificomics]

Another great video. I returned my 560 after a couple days, was unimpressed with the build and comfort. Side note - I see that Rebel amp in the background, I've been curious about it - any plans to do a review of it? Thx!!

[@NoThemeReviews]

Oh sure. I have had plans to review it for months. I always get sidetracked. I have finished scripts for many videos and I can’t get the time to put them all together. One day. Hopefully soon.

[@jurajhrubec5989]

Would HD58x benefit from a high impedance amp?

[@cheekymonkey6791]

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[@calvinyip364]

is it worth the upgrade from hd58x to hd600? does the hd600 sound clearer than the hd58x? and the tonality is it sound the same or diff?

[@Omar_ZX]

Worth the upgrade if you want more vocal emphasis, more air ey treble, more detailed sound overall, but a noticable drop off in the bass

[@tarickpontin8745]

dude for loooong game & music sessions using my Fiio k5 pro, what's your preference ... X2hr, HD560s, HD58x or dt 990 pro ?

[@NoThemeReviews]

For loooooooong sessions, I’d pick the 58x or x2hr

[@tarickpontin8745]

@@NoThemeReviews and in that case, in your personal opinion what these two you prefer ?

[@NoThemeReviews]

X2hr

[@kp7551]

@@NoThemeReviews came across this 2 years later. Of x2hr and 58x or 6xx, which would you say works better with games like battlefield 4 / valorant and music (state of grace/ blank space)

[@fliptout86]

What would happen with the bass on the 58x if you remove the foam materials on the inside and outside of the drivers ?

[@jksn947]

If you want bass just get planar headphones. This Sennheiser line isn't known for their bass.

[@hectorharris5650]

I thought the HD58X was a HD599. Where did you find the Sennheiser page for the HD58X? I searched on their website and could not find it.

[@NoThemeReviews]

I don’t remember how I stumbled onto it. During editing yesterday I could find it on their website, but I had a quote from that webpage and I googled it. It was the first result. If you want to find it, search for the phrase “58x reference-class sound, extended bass, and smooth and clear upper midrange” and that should bring up the page.

[@sunandks]

I thought 58x is based on HD580 precision.

[@Dragonkitchen2807]

Excuse me, I can't take this review seriously. 58X has been around and has been talked about for quite a few years, you stumbled on it?@@NoThemeReviews

[@6643bear]

Hi great video, the 560 is a good around phones , they are now available in the Uk around £120- 130 now. I do agree it would nice if they include a pouch .I recently bought hd6xx from drop fir $214 (£179) they also sound great. The 560 s came with a 10ft lead fir me ideal as my hifi to sofa requires that length. A point of fact that hd6xx comes only 6ft cable. The earlier hd5xx came with 10ft and 6 ft cable so you had a choice to use . Regards mark

[@Gadgetibles]

For sound quality and comfort for long music listening sessions which is better or would you recommmend between the philips shp9600 and the sennheiser 58x ... i listen to mostly hip hop and rnb and a little of soft rock music

[@NoThemeReviews]

Sound quality and comfort is subjective. Personally, I’d take the 9600 over the 58x. But the 58x has more boosted bass, while the 9600 has slightly clearer bass.

[@LandsPlanes]

Which is for you an over fun, detail all rounder with good soundstage under 600?

[@NoThemeReviews]

For me personally? Well...I've got a lot of favorites. The SRH1540, HD6xx, Avantone Planar, M1570, Base Audio G12...aaaand a brand new headphone I can't talk about yet.

[@LandsPlanes]

@@NoThemeReviews which have biggest soundstage?

[@NoThemeReviews]

@@LandsPlanes They're all pretty similar in soundstage. Out of this group, the 6xx has the least, and the Planar has the widest.

[@rahellscream]

What headohones would you suggest in 200 $ range?

[@NoThemeReviews]

Depends on what sound signature you're looking for: Sivga Phoenix, Austrian Audio Hi-x15, HD6xx, Base Audio G7, Anker Q30 are all good options.

[@blank-jo1xp]

I love my 560s. It's great to have a "boring" pair of headphones I can reach for when I want to know what something is "supposed" to sound like. And I loved the pc38x, but my 560s made it redundant for gaming; similar imaging capabilities with far greater clarity. They're not as "fun" as other headphones, but that's not what they're about. And they're so light that they're practically invisible on my head. The 58x is an amazing headphone, but they're built for different use cases.

[@maxjeng5536]

Which headphones do you prefer gaming? Especially for FPS? I have PC38x currently but I have heard the 560s do a much better job for sound positioning. And the 58x are currently on sale so I'm not sure which of the two is "better" or "worth" the upgrade from the PC38x. Thank you in advance.

[@blank-jo1xp]

@@maxjeng5536 I wouldn't say the 560s does a better job for *positioning* per se, I would say it does a better job at giving you *information*. If there's a lot of noise going on you can separate sounds from weapons/enemies/footsteps/the environment etc. a lot faster. There's less brain lag when it comes to decoding what's happening around you contextually. Positionally speaking, the pc38x is very similar to the 560s. I can't say they are worth the upgrade, in fact, most gamers would prefer the pc38x. A niche type of hyper competitive fps gamer would find the 560s worth the upgrade. It's also worth mentioning that the 560s also needs more power to really perform. You'd be looking at some sort of amplification investment as well. So you need to decide how crazy you are, I guess.

[@blank-jo1xp]

@@maxjeng5536 P.S. the 58x deal that's going on right now is great. They are basically a 6 series Sennheiser so the build quality is nicer than the PX38x/560s , and the drivers are slightly larger, so they sound "bigger". Out of the box the sound profile is a bit bloated for my taste, but they EQ very nicely. I still prefer the 560s for gaming, because it's super analytical and that's what I prioritize But for 99 percent of people, the 58x deal is the way to go

[@maxjeng5536]

@@blank-jo1xp thank you for the long analytical reply. I currently use the SBx g6 on my PS5 for my PC38x and I did eq them since I can't run them in direct mode. I have been leaning towards the hd58x since the price is so cheap. But if they're gonna sound the same as my PC38x then there's almost no point for me to get them other than just buying them at a cheap price. I guess the 560s sounds like an "upgrade" even if it is a little. I just hope the SBx g6 does a good enough job to drive them.

[@MexIcAnBnRz]

I have both too, i did the constant swapping of both, pc38x sounds closer to you, less resolution and crowded. In terms of the comparison between both (theyre great headphones) and the 560s makes everything sounds where they should be depth wise, it sounds natural and immersive, But i feel like everything is also quieter, Maybe my dac amp sucks 😅 so far ive tried comparisons in monster hunter world and metro exodus. Have yet to do apex and for honor and some battlefield 4. Then going to finish it off with dead space to see which one makes me shit my pants first. I use a smsl dac/amp, ad 18 🤷‍♂️ i think they sound good and do a good enough job. My upgrade path has also been Shp9500 < fideliox2hr < pc38x < 560s. Its definitely a move forward from everything before but i feel like i want to upgrade again so soon this time :/ Im on day 5 of deciding whether to keep them or return then 🤔😣

[@danipeco7953]

which headphones would you recommend for mix and master under € 200?

[@NoThemeReviews]

I don’t have a recommendation. You should ask professionals on professional audio forums, not audiophiles. You’ll probably find a lot of cheap recommendations from pros

[@proffessasvids]

Second had hd650 I'd say. One of the better all rounders and you can wear them for hours and hours. If you need brighter then look to beyer or akg. The 560s is excellent but it hurts my zygomatic process bone after a couple of hours at the desk. The 560s clamp has reduced overtime however. Xx

[@Omar_ZX]

The hd6xx, hd598 and the hifiman he400se should do very nicely, all are quite different sound wise (though both the 598 and the 6xx have the sennheiser house sound to em) the6xx is very mid forward, the he400se is a very bass focused can, and the 598 is an all rounder of sorts (not the best in bass, the mids aint the best, and the treble aint the best, but all the sections are still quite good with the 598) plus the he400se and especially the 6xx require an amp while the 598 is not that hard to drive so you can drive it off a phone or a laptop quite easily

[@SileDevil]

the FR graphs show that 58x has sub bass rolloff, maybe because of the elevated midbass gives you the impression of more sub bass? some say it sounds muddier than the hd560s

[@Omizuke]

So, for an orchestra recorded with multiple microphones. With instruments that most headphones mush together or completely ignore. Is there any passable option on a budget. That can still play fairly well with other genres. I have some Sony with bass for "fun" audio. And a couple of IEM. I'm looking for something open, and position effect. (I listen to music at night, a real multi speakers surround isn't and option) Originally I had considered the 6XX. They seemed like the cheapest I can find for soundstage and imaging. ($200USD or less often) I read the 600 were better but 100+ more. And not sure they are 50% better) And I'm not only been constraint by budget. But also by location. Shipping, taxes and what not make some stores a nightmare. And big stores like Walmart or Amazon, will show the items. And as soon as I change to my zipcode it's "out of stock" or they don't ship to my location. Heard the K702 would work, but not available for me. I kept coming across the 560S and was led to believe they'd be good for details and imaging. And for 150 seemed like a great deal. And comfortable, the cup, I need them on the bigger size.

[@Forwhomthebelltolls24]

Use it in some mixing..you will understand...every brand has a house sound signature...

[@Omar_ZX]

True, I use senny's to mix and tracm most of the time because man, I'm so used to it and it just sounds like neutral to my ears, a house sound for every company's "professional" Branch should be established

[@chronicmayhem]

I've been using the 58x and like them. Got a pair of 560s today and the highs sound a little harsh in comparison. Im going to give it at least a few weeks tho

[@Takuat13]

Which of these two do you prefer now?

[@chronicmayhem]

@@Takuat13 I got used to the 560s been using them a couple weeks. First person shooters that's what I'm using now. I haven't used my 58x since, but they're still an excellent set. I would probably recommend if you're new to open backs, you would probably like the 58x more. Then maybe later move on to 560s if you feel like you need more sound stage or detail

[@Takuat13]

@@chronicmayhem Thank you so much for your quick response!

[@tinocabral4201]

@@chronicmayhem in the same bote as takuat currently, hd58x was first open back and i've loved it but wanted something new and less fatiguing, first like 20 minutes with the 560s, they definitely have less base and seem less fun, but seem a bit clearer and i like the build and the matte way better. The sound for music at least just seems closer? Like the vocals with the hd58x, but will they still sound intimate with the 560s after awhile? just less base? they do seem more clear just more like headphones instead of music i guess

[@Ahcelaht]

So is the HD560s better for competitive gaming?

[@proffessasvids]

Absolutely. It has a much wider and much more even soundstage than any of the 600series chassis'd headphones. Only issue with the 560s I find is the 4.5k peak. That can be eq'd out. However.. you can't eq a better soundstage into a 600series can. They are mechanically/physically restricted in this respect by the cup design and driver phase plug. The 560s is extremely flat, other than the 4.5k peak and some upper ripple. So flat that folk find them boring. They have no fun... just business. When I'm playing a fps... I want business. The 560s give me an excellent 3d rendition of where other players are around me. That's all I care about. If I'm playing an atmospheric immersive cinematic game or watching a film.. I reach for a more fun set of cans. I believe the 560s has the best stage out of every can I've heard around the asking price of £149. I have eq'd in midbass bloom and pulled out some of the treble on the 560s and they do perform as a 'fun' can very well. They have a fair amount of headroom to allow for this boosting when listening at comfortable-louder levels. Hope this helps xx

[@ikipearl]

I have the HD58x and really like them. I alternate with a pair of Philips SHP 9500's, which seems to remind me why I love the Sennheiser sound signature. Btw, I also really enjoy my 9500's

[@kkckkc3039]

I have the hd58x and love it!!! The only one in 5 series that are not MIC. And the only one in 5 series has input on both side. Also the possibility of replacement earpads, cable etc.... between hd58x and 6 series. Also the outlook and sound make the hd58x seem like a member of series 6 and not 5!

[@enzog1078]

the HD58x is actually more of a 6 series

[@mikafoxx2717]

Their name was a reference to the 580 Jubilee, which was changed in name to the HD600. The 580 precision predated them and was also essentially a 6 series, Sennheiser just didn't know it deserved its own category of headphone until a few years in.

[@TheMaurob1979]

bought the 560 s e sent it back in 2 days. than a friend of mine let me try his 58x... man.. they sound faboulos..just order the 6xx .. i hope are going to be even better than the 58x

[@moses1440]

@@TheMaurob1979 How was the 6xx compared to the 58x?

[@TheMaurob1979]

@@moses1440 the 6xx is brighter and more resolving... Details pop out more.. But has less bass presence.. 58x is warmer and more relax to listen... By the way in this time line i have sold the 6xx..bought the sundare and exsctly today bought the 58x

[@abutia]

I liked your video, but I would not consider the marketing. For me, it is all about price. I am from Germany, which means I have to pay 19% import taxes and 6 euros for Tax handling. So I have to pay 190 Euro for the 58x or the 560s. But I can get a 599 special edition for 140 Euro. So is 50 Euros more for 58x/560s a good deal? And for the same price and without the marketing BS, which one is better?

[@NoThemeReviews]

Better in what sense? The 58x has better build. The 560 might be more comfortable, depending on your head shape and ear size. The accessories are similar. The biggest differentiation is sound signature-and I don’t tell people what sounds “better” because that’s not up to me to decide for someone else. I hope you watched the entire video, not just the conclusion. The sound tests should give you an idea of how both headphones sound, and hopefully help you make a decision. The bottom line is that anybody can tell you something g sounds great or better than another product, but you’ll never know until you try it yourself. What I’m trying to do with this channel is provide as much detail as I can so that you have more factual and less personal preference info to make a decision.

[@abutia]

@@NoThemeReviews Honestly, I don't know yet what I like. I am replacing an HD 456 On-ear because I can`t find new pads for it. So I am more or less new to the hobby. And because of the Lockdown here, it is impossible to go to a store for a test. Do you have an opinion on the 599?

[@NoThemeReviews]

I wish I had the 599 but I’ve never heard it. What type of sound signature are you looking for and what’s your budget? Do you have an amp/Dac or using a smartphone? There are a lot of good headphones in the market, and you may have several options, depending on what your requirements are.

[@abutia]

@@NoThemeReviews First of all, thank you for helping. Right now, I use an Apple lightning to 3,5 mm and the Headphone out from my Mac Mini. I tried to replace the HD 465 with HD 200 pro. Because they were only 40 Euros, but the sound is dull. The Headphone plastic is full of sharp edges. All in all, 40 Euros wasted. I ordered a Hiby FC3 dongle DAC. And like to listen to Softrock from the 70th. The sound of guitars and soft voices is what is most important to me in music. And I would love to spend less than 100 USD/euro, but after the HD 200 pro I don't know if this is a good idea.

[@NoThemeReviews]

@@abutia Hmm. Well, the HD200 Pro is intended for music production; I have the 380 Pro and they're fairly bass-anemic. I've never heard the 465. I know it can be really hard to understand what you want if you haven't heard a lot of different headphones. But we can probably come up with some options for you to consider. It sounds like you may want a headphone that presents a fuller, more emphasized mid-range. You might enjoy a balanced sound signature--which is usually a safe place to start. $100 is a fairly limiting factor, but I'll try to recommend options around that price range. 1. Philips X2: this has a dark sound signature--meaning it has an emphasized bass, full mid-range, and a slight treble accentuation. Some people find the X2 a bit too harsh for them, but it really depends on your personal sound preference, and the music you're listening to. amzn.to/3pWmbrI 2. Philips Fidelio L2: this is a bit clearer in sound than the X2; the L2 has a sub-bass emphasis, forward mid-range, and a close-to-neutral treble. Vocals tend to be clear. amzn.to/3trH3cq 3. Monoprice HR5/HR5C: these have a different sound signature than the Philips. These have a bit less bass emphasis, more neutral mids, and close to neutral treble. They're fairly clear, at least in this price category. amzn.to/3tuRHiG 4. Brainwavz HM5 & Spadger: these are reportedly the same as the HR5--and it's probably true. It seems like Brainwavz, Spadger, and Monoprice are all using the same headphone design and selling it as their own. amzn.to/2O4Iq0s & amzn.to/36OoLIE 5. OneOdio Studio Headphones: this is a fairly neutral sounding headphone, particularly for the price. It's not true neutral. The sub-bass is a little rolled-off, the mids seem to be close-to-neutral, and the treble is slightly emphasized. Vocals and mid-centric instruments do not sound as full as on the Philips headphones. amzn.to/2YRPaBe 6. Grado SR80e: these have a bass roll-off, but clear and forward mids, and an emphasized treble. Some may think it is a bit too trebly, but again, that really depends on your preference and music. Grado's tend to have a fairly unique sound signature, particularly for vocals and mid-centric instruments. In fact, the 80e is a very mid-centric headphone, and if you listen to music that leans heavily in that region, the 80e might be worth consideration. amzn.to/36NIcS4 I'm sure there are other options, but these are the ones that I've personally used (the Spadger and Brainwavz are likely clones of the Monoprice, so I'm counting them). Hopefully you'll be able to find something from this list that fits your style and budget. Most of these should be available in your region, if not directly from an authorized reseller, then probably on eBay.

[@arash5550]

what do u recommend for a open back detailed reference headphone under

[@NoThemeReviews]

What do you mean by reference? Neutral?

[@arash5550]

@@NoThemeReviews yes neutral , because I do mixing stuff

[@arash5550]

@@NoThemeReviews sorry for the delay response

[@NoThemeReviews]

@@arash5550 Your options are pretty limited, considering you want neutral AND detailed. The HD6xx and DT800 250 ohm variant are the only ones that I can think of that fit your criteria.

[@arash5550]

@@NoThemeReviews thank u for the reply. Ive heard dt880 is so harsh (which I have very sensitive ear) so that I crossed that headphone from my list. So now my best option is hd6xx.

[@theodorezurla496]

I have numerous very expensive headphones and I always go back to the 58x Jubilee's there's something about them I just love

[@Melkorify]

Same here

[@Melkorify]

Its the specific timbre of em for me, i like it.

[@CraciunAlexandruGh]

I have tried listening for footsteps on Kazukii - New Light but I cannot discern anything. There is a lot of noise that can be interpreted as various things, even leaves rustling. (SMSL 10TH MK2 + Atom + Deva)

[@NoThemeReviews]

I've noticed that the resolution of the audio file really does impact this song. Highly compressed YT audio sounds different from a FLAC version. To get you off on the right path, the first audible footstep is at 11 seconds into the song, in the right earcup, followed by 2 more in the left earcup about 3 seconds later. You should hear several more after that.

[@CraciunAlexandruGh]

@@NoThemeReviews Thanks for the help. I ran spotify hifi as it is not on tidal. Will try again :D

[@hectorg.7282]

I see you put the HD579 in the mix towards the end of the video; arguably the best unit in the HD500 family. I will never understand why Sennheiser pulled the plug on it but chose to still manufacture the others.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Sennheiser works in mysterious ways.

[@CapFlipGaming]

I have the 579 now and I'm looking to upgrade. They are my favorite headphones of all time but the headband leather is falling apart. Looking to upgrade.

[@markpomerhn76]

Wow! Your Awesome Dude.

[@j1nftw1n]

Thanks for your unbiased and I uninfluenced reviews. Only wish I had found your channel before picking up the 560S, they're being hyped by every other reviewer and influencer but they didn't work out for me. Going to return them and pick up some AKG K702 ANS K712 to demo.

[@ryderlandry9876]

Do you like them?

[@j1nftw1n]

@@ryderlandry9876 I ended up sticking with the 560s even though the K702 and K712 had better soundstage and imaging. It boiled down to comfort and even though the 560s left a bit more to be desired in terms of sound quality, I decided comfort was more important cause without comfort I wouldn't be able to enjoy the sound quality anyways. But overall for a first pair of audiophile headphones, I'm happy with them.

[@MisTTwisted]

@@j1nftw1n what's wrong with sound quality?

[@j1nftw1n]

@@MisTTwisted I kept hearing ppl mention it but I finally understand why people called Sennheiser's "veiled". They just sound muffled and lacking in detail compared to other headphones. I've since returned them and picked up a few other pieces of headphones/IEM that I'm truly happy with.

[@autoexec5367]

shudda used the stock cable on the 560s too for more objective listening.. but if you compared the cheap cable vs stock first and found no difference, then it's all good I guess.

[@NoThemeReviews]

If anything, the cheap replacement cable had less influence on the experience than the stock would have. The stock cable creates harmonics all the time, and is a real pain to use.

[@sagipho]

@@NoThemeReviews Which cable would you recommend instead of the stock 560s'?

[@sandydennylives1392]

I'm very fond of my 560's. A little clinical, and not Mr Entertainment but their warming up a bit with continued burn in. More than enough detail, clarity and imaging for my cloth ears, after the blanket warmth of my Sony's that has very little of these things. My A17 Walkman can't do hi rez so it majors on 320 kbps with the genuine DSEX de compression engine. What fibbers who say the 560 can't do compressed Mp3. It sure can. One Senn will do.

[@tinocabral4201]

Are you still using them? just got some and they are very analitical sounding, coming from hd58x which is fun so im not sure which to stick with. gaming and music, fps gaming and immersive.

[@sandydennylives1392]

@@tinocabral4201 Sure am, and they sound great, with lovely timbre, d/retrieval and sound stage. Burn in really burnished the sound but I liked them from the start.A real slice of the top end for peanuts but I do use it with my Sony attached Dac/amp.

[@frantotti9754]

I own HD58x for more 3 years now, it is in use everyday, I like it and never regret it. I pair it with iFi Zen DAC/Amp + Zen CAN Amp.

[@d_jihad]

Hello, I am about to buy a SENNHEISER HD 58X this week and I am confused between AMP/DACs and I am new to these matters. I have heard that the ZEN DAC V2 might be a good fit I want advice on the best amp/dac for 58x and are there better options? I'm more into games than music My budget is $400 Thank you

[@frantotti9754]

@@d_jihad I got iFi zen dac and can both , I am happy with them, they sound great, by the way HD58x is not hungry headphone, it is easy to drive. iFi can and dac are more than enough for HD58x or HD6xx , You could say they are Overkill , but you will need them for future if you decide to buy hard drive headphones.

[@d_jihad]

@@frantotti9754 Last question: Is the HD 560s better than the 58x?

[@PartySpock]

For me 2022 is as normal as 2018 with my Sennheiser 600 trio😊👍👍

[@pokketato3002]

Hi, i dont know if you read comment anymore, i can get a used hd560s for 120(new one would be 140), i can get a new hd58x for 130, IDK which one is to go considering in this case hd560s is cheaper, i want to mention that i can get a used hd600 for 180, which out of 3 do you think is the best?

[@NoThemeReviews]

They all sound different. If you are ok with accentuated sibilance and vocal emphasis, then the 560s provides that. The 58x is a fine headphone but I think the 600 has better build. I can’t tell you which to buy. But, my personal preference among these three is the Hd600/6xx.

[@GolgothFR]

Perfect as always. Perfect because of your honest and argumented analysis. Other influencers for audio products such as DMS, Joshua Valour or Z reviews should learn from your honesty and professionalism when it comes to reviewing such products. So thanks again No Theme Reviews!

[@lostandfound6501]

THIS. I unsubscribed to many and subbed here.

[@pp312]

@@lostandfound6501 It comes down to personal preference, ear shape, associated equipment, music taste... etc. For instance I have the 58x and find them too reticent in the treble and overly "thick" sounding. Consequently I've ordered the 560. Nothing said here dissuades me as I listen to orchestral/classical music so am seeking a different balance than most reviewers, including this one. And I certainly wouldn't suggest those other reviewers you mention are being dishonest in any way; clearly they're not. One factor not mentioned here but brought up by another reviewer is burn-in. He claimed that 100 hrs of burn-in did wonders for the 560, and given my experience with other headphones that may indeed be the case. It certainly does affect the sound of some, though not all. We'll see.

[@District.24]

I would have to agree with his review of the HD58X. I've had it for a while now, and I have not been happy with it. To me, it was just a forward bass, and not enough clarity. I ended up taking out the two sponges inside - under the grill, and that definitely improved the sound signature to more of my liking, but I'm still not happy with the headphones. I put them in the THX Onyx, and again, still not great. So in the end, I never got the HD58X to sound as great as everyone claims it is. Perhaps it's just my ears, or the fact I don't have a top notch stack for it to play off. I much prefer the more neutral sound of the HD560S, but I would have to again agree that it is not worth the asking price. I don't know much about reference headphones so I can't say how well it performed in that area, but as a gaming headset, I preferred the PC38X, as my ears found its mid range to be more prominent.

[@hectorg.7282]

I have not heard the HD560s but the HD58x does not have the sound signature I expected. Everyone says the 58x is part of the 600 family but it does not have the same level of realism as the rest of the headphones. The HD 580, 600, and 650 are pleasing to the ear, the 58x has a metallic characteristic (too digital) to it. Provably because of the elevated treble and the different driver. The funny thing is that playing with the 650 I can EQ the bass and treble to sound just the same as the 58x but it still feels more life-like and not metallic at all. I also have other Sennheiser headphones from the HD500 family and none of them sound metallic. This makes it even weirder because the 58x driver is supposed to be based out of the HD500 family.

[@mikafoxx2717]

Interesting.

[@poki6041]

The hd560s i really like it My best headphone And for the trebbles pick and bass We can juste use a parametrical Equalizer roooh :)

[@codetrain020]

I thought the HD 58x was already good but after hearing the 1more triple driver over ear they sound dull and veiled in comparison. I even heard things that I haven't heard in my music before on the 1more and they really wowed me with their detail retrieval. Hope you can try them one day.

[@NoThemeReviews]

I have the 1More. I’ve never been able to listen to them for more than an hour because of the ear pads and clamp.

[@codetrain020]

@@NoThemeReviews Yeah it's a shame they are on ears since they sound really good. Maybe you can try the mod someday where you replace the earpad with a beats studio 2.0 earpads or something with a similar thickness with the original earpad.

[@shzammpatapon9865]

which are easier to drive. i've heard that 58x easier to drive but i saw 560s has low impedance.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Well, technically the 560s is a little easier to drive. However, it's not actually low-impedance. It's 120 ohms, which means you'll need an amp, though not a particularly powerful one. Pairing this with your phone, for example, probably would not provide you with sufficient power for peak performance.

[@shzammpatapon9865]

​@@NoThemeReviews i see, i've heard that the 58x already sounds good comparatively without an amp. do you still recommend me 560s regardless of that fact for someone like me, i only have scarlett 2i2, and the syba sonic dac amp for my ps4. so which one should i go for? last question: does the 6xx can be drive by either of those?

[@NoThemeReviews]

@@shzammpatapon9865 I'm sure the 2i2 can drive all three headphones, but I'd be a bit careful about it. I had the 3rd Gen 2i2 for a while, and thought its headphone output was a little noisy. But that could have been a bad unit. You really don't need to spend a lot of money on an amp. In fact, the Fosi HD3 will work fine for any of these headphones. amzn.to/3yu5oRF As for which headphone you should buy, I can't tell you that. They all have slightly different sound signatures. The 560s is brighter, with more sibilance; the 6xx has more natural mids and vocals; and the 58x has more bass & smoother mids than the 560s, and about the same type of treble response as the 560s. So...it comes down to what type of sound signature you want, how much you want to spend, and what's available in your country.

[@shzammpatapon9865]

@@NoThemeReviews jeez thanks bro, you earn a sub here

[@NoThemeReviews]

@@shzammpatapon9865 No problem, any time.

[@nashwalker7]

58x sounds amazing and is beautiful

[@chungang7037]

"But, for the 560, Sennheiser decided to promise DIAMONDS." 2:36 LOL. I almost spit up my drink, nice one. I enjoy these reviews needless to say!

[@1jhnpennington]

Why the hatchet job on the 560s? Other reviewers who I respect have found them to be considerably better than you have.

[@NoThemeReviews]

I’m curious why you think I should care what other reviewers say. I pay for my gear, so I’m more critical than the average reviewer who gets stuff for free. There’s always an incentive for reviewers to over-exaggerate positives and underemphasize negatives, especially if they rely on review units and affiliate links to make money. I have no idea who you watch or why you respect them. That’s for you to decide. But hopefully you’re not getting sidetracked with hype. This isn’t a hatchet job. Ask other reviewers why they constantly hype products without actual A/B tests with similarly priced alternatives or put the manufacturer claims to the test. As far as I know, those who praise this headphone do so based on their own personal sound preferences-which is subjective and has nothing to do with whether anybody else should feel the same way-and ignore or excuse the sub-par construction and bottom-barrel accessories. I have never said this headphone sounds bad or that it shouldn’t be purchased. I simply do not think there is any justification for its price, particularly since Sennheiser’s promises about the performance are largely false. Also, you may want to check out various forums where actual users have tried the 560s. There is no consensus about this headphone’s performance -and that should put the reviewer praise into suspicion. Check out the 560s’ Amazon page and look at all the Vine reviews that give praise after they got the headphones for free.

[@markpomerhn76]

@@NoThemeReviews Well put. Again your Awesome.

[@h-dawg6462]

seeing as the 560s have the same internals as the 400 pro i'd say they are great value! also "audiophiles" won't like them because they are for studio use. very revealing can's. build quality is great, light-weight durable plastic. i bought mine second-hand (£80) and after cleaning they are good as new!

[@ta114]

The 560s are amazing for gaming hands down. Gonna pick up a 58x tomorrow for casual listening

[@alabaska182]

The 58x are said to be better for gaming because it offers more bass than the 560s. It's one reason most people choose them over the 6xx or other similar headphones.

[@rderubeis]

i own both and i find the 58x are alot easier to hear footsteps with over the 560s. I bought the 560s thinking it would b better but its not

[@alabaska182]

@@rderubeis Ended up buying the 58x myself, absolutely love them!

[@eniojurko]

@@rderubeis hmm i also heard that. more forward treble, they should be easier to hear footsteps headphones(560). i have 58x and i use them for music and gaming, i like the sound of them and im never replacing them.. i may buy some other headphone just for diversity sake, but 58x are staying with me till the end..

[@atyne_mar]

I hated 560S and love 58X. Midrange on 560S was too thin and bright and treble too harsh. Also, comfort was much worse because of the strange ergonomics and cheap build. 58X on the other hand, I use as a daily driver. Sometimes I even prefer it over some more expensive pairs. I've heard many headphones under 500€ and I think that 58X is the most neutral. HD600 was too shouty and bright in upper midrange, Sundara too cold, DT1990 too sharp, 660S slightly shouty and dark, etc. Although, it sounds slightly grainy and muddy, which is most noticeable on the higher volumes, so that's when I prefer 660S or Sundara. Generally, the biggest issue with 58X is that it doesn't sound very clean. That's where 560S and any other headphone I mentioned beats it. But if you just want to relax and enjoy at the normal volume it's excellent. Also, it's probably the most universal headphone ever. It's great for music, one of the best for games, movies, ASMR, it just doesn't have any weakness. It's also comfortable, cheap, and easy to drive.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Good description! Off hand I compared the BL30 to the 58x, and the 58x is so much easier to use in comfort. They have a similar sound, and after my issues with the BL30, the 58x is probably a wiser choice.

[@Elazarko]

I live outside of the US. Should I just get the 560s here in my country or wait a long time for the 58x to come in from the US? Any suggestions?

[@JR88]

Does 58x have better soundstage than 560s? Asking for gaming purposes thanks

[@atyne_mar]

@@JR88 560S has better soundstage than 58X but 58X has much better imaging than 560S. 58X is definitely better for gaming.

[@JR88]

@@atyne_mar thank you just bought the 58x and it's $50 less than 560s. Do you recommend any dac with microphone support?

[@97invaderzim]

out of curiosity, do you play an instruments?

[@Bornmong]

That's what i've always asked myself too, like do audiophiles actually know how each instument should sound like...

[@97invaderzim]

@@Bornmong yeah, I find myself disagreeing with how an instrument is described in his videos and sometimes he's somewhat right about tone or timbre. I spent my whole life playing classic music and taught myself to play both guitar and bass. I'm sure a good portion of audiophiles know what some instruments sound like IRL but most don't. well most that are 40s and younger.

[@AlexB-dl5ou]

Imagine almost singlehandedly derailing the 560s hype train because of your honesty and proper testing. Love the content

[@NoThemeReviews]

Wouldn’t that be something. I’d be happy to derail hype for every product, even the ones I like. Unfortunately, people’s attention span is getting shorter all the time, and most just want to be told what to buy. I’d make a bunch more money from ads and affiliate links if I did that.

[@billwiley7216]

Where Sennheiser messed up and missed the boat on the 560s as with them being light, using 120 ohm easy to power drivers making them an ideal on the go possible choice was making the cable single ended instead of just sticking with the classic dual cable set up which makes it easy to install a balanced cable to take advantage of many portable amps higher power output using a balanced connection. I would have strongly considered purchasing the 560s for on the go use IF they were balanced cable compatible but I guess I will have to go with the 150 ohm 58x offering as balanced cables are an option on those. I generally like Sennheiser sound signature although I really prefer the hd 700/800 better than the 600/650 series overall. Just want something easier to drive for portable use.

[@bignig123]

I know this is 4 months late but you can run them balanced, the jack on them is 4 pole for that reason.

[@proffessasvids]

Gonna say, just switch the cable out for the hd5x0 to 4.4mm pentacon. Job done xx

[@TheHulkysmash55]

My friend you seem to know sound but.... Anyone can criticize... That's easy. May be you should give constructive advice. If someone has $200 for headphone and you are saying 560s aren't worth it...May be telling people what is better "at that price" and why its better in your opinion.... Ya think?

[@NoThemeReviews]

No I disagree. Too many reviewers tell people what to buy or that something under a certain price is “the best”. That’s all nonsense. People need to make up their own minds and reviewers shouldn’t tell people what sounds “the best”-because that is entirely a subjective matter.

[@TheHulkysmash55]

@@NoThemeReviews LOL! You can't "TELL" people what to buy. No one can...LOL!! BUT! You are giving your "opinion" on these, right? You basically trash em but never say what you "THINK" is a better option.... That's what is called constructive criticism...LOL, like what I'm doing for you. Not just criticizing but tell you why and what would be better. Think my friend, think.... its helpful.

[@TheHulkysmash55]

@@NoThemeReviews It's called a "review".... What in the world does that mean to You?

[@NoThemeReviews]

Jesus Christ. I didn’t “trash” the headphones. I methodically over the course of several comparisons explained the sound signature. It’s fascinating how you think I’m trashing a product when all I’ve done is compare performance to promises. You’ve got a hundred other places where people will happily tell you what’s best or better. I’m not going to play that game, whether you approve or not. I expect people to do their research and make a decision, and I refuse to let my personal sound preferences take part in my reviews. Your argument about “constructive criticism” is so misplaced. If I were critiquing Sennheiser like you are me, then I’d tell them what to change. But I’m not. They aren’t asking for my input, have never once indicated they care about my thoughts, and I am not interested in becoming a beta tester for them or anyone else.

[@TheHulkysmash55]

@@NoThemeReviews LOL, you're awesome.

[@rez3594]

waiting and waiting for my 58x :/

[@NoThemeReviews]

When was it supposed to have been delivered?

[@rez3594]

@@NoThemeReviews it says it will take untill 28.4

[@Rguhbuh]

@@rez3594 are they good?

[@jimgordon8376]

I remember the 58x being hyped by everyone, including the gaming community. It’s not bad for the price but people should make up their own minds instead of expecting others to tell them what to buy.

[@epicmike3915]

Totally agree. Sadly I bought into the hype. They were okay not amazing.

[@woopygoman]

Value for money, the 58x is decent.

[@xxdalionxx]

The 58x for me is for a specific purpose. Easy to drive , decent for gaming, decent for hip hop, decent value, and completely unnoffensive, bass isn't too bloated and treble isn't too bright and pretty smooth. It's just a decent easy to drive open back that can serve as an allrounder and is just a safe reccomendation. Now is it gonna be the best thing for a specific person? No not really but most people should be happy with it. I say this but it's my least used headphone cause I like my 400i and dt990 better

[@Princeton_James]

@@xxdalionxx Thats really good to know. Without being able to try out all these headphones it's hard to make a purchasing commitment. I really want the 58x but I'm already pretty happy with my PC 38X, 770s, and 400i. I guess I don't need the 58x.

[@MichaelLargent]

How can someone make up their mind when it is basically impossible to try them all, or even at times a single one? Reviews are all most of us have.

[@PapaPapaD]

I deeply appreciate your insight and your take on the BS most of the audio industry and their fanboys (aka audiophiles) subscribe too. Thank you 🙏... from me and my wallet.

[@RafiGish]

To me, no theme is the BS guy to be quite frank. He's reviewing what the manufacturer is putting on it's website instead of reviewing just the headphone without such bias.

[@brammie0684]

@@RafiGish I have to agree to that this focuses too much on what the retailer says. Altough I have to agree that it can be a bit annoying that retailers sometimes put really vague statement on thier website his focus on the retailers statements is a bit annoying and often distract from the actual review.

[@NoThemeReviews]

@RafiGish I talk about build, fit, sound, features, and at the very end talk about whether the manufacturer’s statements are true. So, all of that stuff before the conclusion isn’t enough discussion about the headphone? Either you skip right to the conclusion without listening to the entire video, or you have a very different expectation of how products should be reviewed. If you think I’m biased because I hold companies accountable, that’s perfectly fine with me. Aren’t there enough hype reviewers from you to pick from?

[@jimmysdean3867]

@@RafiGish You definitely don’t listen to the entire video. He spends a ton of time talking about the headphones. I wish trolls like you would either watch the whole thing before commenting or just stop bitching.

[@NoThemeReviews]

@Brammie06 Out of curiosity, did you watch the whole video from beginning to end or just the conclusion?

[@epicmike3915]

The comparison I was waiting for lol. I'm just not into the Sennheiser sound signature. People also need to stop saying reference sound like is the go to for audio. Sennheiser is overhyped IMO.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Yeah but hype is everywhere. You can’t go one page in a forum without someone emphatically pushing one product or another. It’s so strange to me how people react to audio gear. Most are rational, thoughtful people and would never react as they do with audio gear with other stuff. I mean, nobody in their right mind test drives just one car, looks at just one house or apartment, accepts the wrong food order, or gracefully let stores swindle them out of money. But for audio gear, fugettaboutit. Maybe critical thinking and skepticism is dying out.

[@epicmike3915]

@@NoThemeReviews I think when people are spending hard earned money especially on audio gear they should be more critical. I know I am. But to each their own. When the product I bought is falsely advertised I get pissed. Off topic but what's your opinion on Kanto speakers. Have you ever heard them? I have no experience with speakers.

[@NoThemeReviews]

Yup I have the Kanto YU6. I spent upwards of $800 on a Klipsch passive 2-channel speakers and a Yamaha integrated amp. I got a Klipsch wireless subwoofer to go with it. I wasn’t particularly happy with the Klipsch sound-which always appeared to be a bit brittle in the top end. I did a bunch of research on active speakers and came down to between the Kanto and AudioEngine. I went for the Kanto because of their robust connection options and cheaper price. I added the wireless Klipsch subwoofer to them. I’m very happy with this setup. I got rid of my Klipsch speakers and Yamaha amp. The YU6 has a clear midrange and neutral treble. It’s built really well-heavy aluminum and quite substantial in weight. I’d love to try a KEF system some day, but I’m rather pleased with the Kanto performance and can’t justify KEF’s prices. The only thing I’d change at this point is the subwoofer. I’d like a downward-firing woofer and am biding my time until I find one that’s affordable and well made. Anyway, I’m no speaker expert. I’ve owned maybe half a dozen different systems, and couldn’t tell you anything about how any other brand might compare.

[@epicmike3915]

@@NoThemeReviews Thanks will try the kantos when I get a chance.

[@proffessasvids]

You'll be pleased to find the 560s is actually a surprising breakaway from the warm sennheiser house sound. If you are a beyer guy.. you will be happier listening to the 560s than a 6xx xx

[@Spyrozzz]

I still believe HD600 are the best headphones Sennheiser has ever made .Not because they are the most detailed or the widest in stage but because they have less faults. It is kinda sad tho 560s turned out to be mediocre just like the new airpods . You expect from big companies to invest into a project and bring something good , a new technology something revolutionary but they end up being just cash grabbing.

[@dnalekaw4699]

This 100%, the 600's are even better than the 660s and it's a shame Sennheiser have been taking steps back with their newer products

[@enzog1078]

560s is lauded as the greatest analytical sennheiser headphone lmao

[@robertovonbuchwald4515]

@@enzog1078 Yeah, i heard those and they sound really neutral and good.

[@luizengrazia5169]

58x>

[@B24Fox]

I've tested the HD560s against HD600, HD660s, and HifiMan Sundara. The HD560s TRUMPS the HD600 & HD660s. The sundara is the only one that sounds like it has somewhat better drivers, but some highs are too sharp and fatiguing; and the overall frequency response is significantly inferior to the 560s. They sounded a bit higher quality (not much though), but poorly calibrated. Not as poorly as the HD600 & HD660s though.. One thing that MUST be mentioned is that you MUST seat the 560s on your head as far back as possible. Almost to the point of pressing on your ear's "Tragus". Failing to do so, will result in a very poor sound experience, such as presented by "No Theme Reviews"... which IMO, do not represent AT ALL the true and astounding sound & precision of the HD560s!

[@proffessasvids]

I have to agree with you there on some of your points. I hold my 560s in 'as high regard as my 1993 hf580 precision, 1997 hd600 and my early black silk hd650. They are a totally different animal but I respect what they do wholly. Folk seem to give them hate but I think that's unfair backlash to hype. Each of my cans is a tool for a specific job. My 560s are used for fps gaming and with eq for electronic music. My other cans are for enjoyment. Xx

[@jimmysdean3867]

Why is Sennheiser charging $200 for a headphone that’s all plastic??

[@YoYo-uh3xj]

FACTS

[@jamesbittle2138]

Because they can.

[@dnalekaw4699]

Because plastic is light and durable

[@Princeton_James]

For $200 what do you want...Adamantium?

[@pr3t]

Because of ergonomics....weight reduction....and all plastic doesnt mean it's not durable... sennheiser headphones are very durable

[@blood.3709]

Biased review , and a really bad one .

[@NoThemeReviews]

Naw, you're just bitchy because you didn't hear what you wanted to.