Is the Sennheiser HD800S still relevant today? Sennheiser HD800S review

A review of the #Sennheiser #HD800S to determine if it's still relevant as one of the best headphones on the market in 2021, including #headphonecomparisons with the #Focal #Clear. Buy them here: amzn.to/2Ovy2iB
00:00 Introduction
03:02 Design and specs
08:36 Sound quality
11:55 Using a high output impedance amp
12:53 HD800S vs Focal Clear
14:17 Specific music examples
18:10 Final conclusions
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[@leninreddy]

Alright!! I'm just gonna say my opinion - you are the best reviewer for audio stuff. Why ? You doesn't hype up every product you get your hands on / You actually provide good sound description and proper comparisons , other options , gear pairings , specific music examples , do interviews with the founders and much more / You actually take time to reply all of the viewers comments. Passion for Sound is aptly named. Really appreciate the work you do. Without your work we would have wasted lots of money of many products and not liking them after we buy. You are a hero man. God bless you !!!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks so much, Lenin! It's so great to hear that my approach and content is helpful and valuable! 🙂❤️🙂

[@exodusvelo]

this guy is right

[@jbenz9348]

I also agree, his content is well thought out and he always provides a clear prospective.

[@cassiecat7038]

Agree just discovered him very thoughtful, informed, not the least bit arrogant, intelligent just a breath of fresh air compared to the others and I really learn something every time! Im kind of a newcomer to high end audio so it’s really helpful 😊

[@PassionforSound]

So great to hear - thanks Cassie!

[@suns767]

Really love the specific examples of tracks and direct comparison with a competing headphone. Great review!

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you liked it!

[@joshbarron3]

Love this channel a lot. The UK store still don't have it back in stock yet, but waiting to buy my first 'major' DAC & amp in the Schiit Asgard 3 & Modius - informed decisions thanks to your great in-depth thoughts, cheers Lachlan! Just bought the Hifiman Sundara after having the Sennheiser HD650 for 5 years and loving them, hopefully the amp will add to my enjoyment of the 300 ohm 650 too as I intend to keep both.

[@PassionforSound]

Sounds like you're in for some excellent listening sessions, Josh. That's great! Enjoy your new kit!

[@kiba_zero]

Thank you for putting this review together! I've been debating about which pair of headphones to get for months, and I think this review sealed the deal for me. Going to be using them mainly for mixing and mastering bass heavy electronic music, so sounds like the Focal Clears would be better suited for this.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Kiba, that sounds like a good choice to me. Glad I could help!

[@SKY11211213]

Super impressive review!! You talked about everything in detail and gave examples. Thank You!

[@PassionforSound]

So glad it was helpful!

[@CraciunAlexandruGh]

A very good review, and excelent comparisson to a direct competitor.

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you liked it!

[@juanmillaruelo7647]

Clarifying! Very useful review and comparison.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad it was helpful!

[@danieljakubik3428]

Agreed. The Sennheiser HD800S is best for classical, acoustic and orchestral music. It lacks the dynamics and bass to satisfy listeners of other music genres notably pop, rock and dance.

[@PassionforSound]

Exactly 🙂

[@TheCangle]

I bought an 800S about a month ago. They're a nice addition to my collection and contrast nicely with my LCD-4z. The 4z still gets about 80% of "head time" but the 800S is great for when I'm in the mood for more acoustic music. I actually find the 4z to be more comfortable than the 800S because the pads are deeper and they clamp better while the 800S kind of slides about on my head. I have dekoni pads coming this week as well as a shorter cable from Norne Audio which should make these headphones more comfy and I'm guessing I might start using them equally as much as I do the 4z. Good video and I'm glad you decided to make a review before selling them

[@x32i77]

For acoustic music I would suggest the Hifiman HE6se with burson Audio Soloist 3x performance amp and a great preamp like questyle cma 600i

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks TheCangle. I'd be interested to hear a set of Dekoni pads on the HD800S one day, but wasn't willing to fork out the cash.

[@TheCangle]

@@x32i77 I've actually had the HE6se for almost two years now however I've never had the best amp to pair them with. I have a powerful amp on the way that will do 16w into 32 ohms that should be a much better pairing then my current amp. On my current setup however I find the HE6se to be a good compromise between the 800S and 4z. It has the treble sparkle and soundstage (with the grill mod) of the 800S and the bass slam and dynamics of the 4z

[@x32i77]

@@TheCangle Yeah I love my he6se 🙂👍

[@thisjustanother]

comparing a 4k$ to an 1800$ lol.

[@ReTr093]

Imo this is an extremely nuanced and accurate review of the 800s. Will recommend this video to potential future owners from now. It can be the best headphone for some, but since it's not an all rounder like many of the newer competitors, you really need to understand its strengths and weaknesses before going in. That being said, the old girl still has some tricks up its sleeve that other models just can't seem to match, like the very excellent staging and imaging.

[@PassionforSound]

I totally agree, Pel Pan. At what it does well, it's still a beast

[@04yellowjacket]

First I must say that you are one of my top 3 favorite reviewers. Mostly because you communicate your impressions very well and your sound preferences consistently align pretty closely with my own. I generally agree with you on your impressions of the Focal Clear vs ( I have had the Clear, HD800S, HD800 and many others) the HD800S. However in this case I must respectfully say that your assessment of the Focal Clear being anywhere near the HD800S in terms of sound stage, imaging or perhaps accuracy to the original recording are not close. I sold the Clear after trying to find its 'magic' on the RME ADI-2, ZMF Pendant and several other amps. The problem? It is downright claustrophobic in terms of sound stage, imaging and general space or openness of sound. My assessment of the above characteristics of the Clear hold true against most $1500+ headphones I have owned, HD800S, HD800, Stellia, LCD-i4 and on and on. However if you remove soundstage , openness and to a much lesser extent, imaging from the equation then they are one of the best headphones at any price. In contrast the HD800S soundstage is super wide open (almost to wide) with pinpoint imaging and the ability to convey the most delicate texture of any quality recording. There are recordings that I have where I was in the room for many hours of practices and final recording and the HD800S are way ahead of the Clear in accuracy for anything other than EDM or Hip Hop. While I have no doubt that you enjoy the Clear more (many do) If you have the chance, listen to a recording where you have either heard it live or you were perhaps in the studio. It is not close. 95% of any perceived flaws of the HD800S can be fixed with very little EQ and they respond VERY well to EQ. Don't get me wrong, the Clear is fantastic and fun. But if you crave soundstage, a truly open sound or pinpoint accuracy and detail over 'fun'. The choice is easy- just my opinion. Cheers.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi yellowjacket, thanks for your comment. I definitely agree that the HD800S is clearly superior in soundstage. Perhaps I understated the difference in this video. My reason for preferring the Clear consistently is that I find the Clear to be a better representation of the timbre and tone of the real thing (live music). As a non-EQ user, I don't try to get into that discussion (other than an occasional SonarWorks calibration to flatten the curves) because I'm not an experienced EQer. Personally, I enjoy each headphone for its own sound, but I recognise there are many people out there who enjoy EQing so neither is right or wrong.

[@04yellowjacket]

@@PassionforSound I appreciate the thoughtful reply. RE: EQing, you also have to be cautious as a reviewer of 'audiophile' gear because the so called 'purists' will come after you hard if you embrace EQing in any way. Even though recording engineers often use EQ and DSP to fine tune audio. I find that it takes the HD800S from somewhat flawed to perfect. Kind of OT here but I also love another headphone/earphone/IEM (?) that almost requires EQ. The Audeze LCDi4. I don't think you have posted any reviews on them but have you had a chance to give them (or any of their lesser siblings) a listen? If you were not so far away I would be tempted to send you mine. I would be really interested in your nuanced impressions of their sound.

[@PassionforSound]

Good point about the purists, but I'm always happy to have those kinds of conversations - leads to a richer community. 🙂 I haven't tried any of the Audeze earphones, only the LCD-2 headphones I once owned. I've got the LCD-1s on the way for review, having just recently made contact with Audeze so hopefully it will be the start of more reviews with them

[@cassiecat7038]

@@04yellowjacket Hi I have the LCDi3s which I understand are not that different from the i4s but I wasn’t that impressed at first; over time they seem better maybe it’s the burn-in they talk about? Anyway they are more impressive as time goes on. Do you like them as much as over ears headphones?

[@JTB--]

You've touched on something interesting with what headphones are best for specific types of music. I'd be curious to a see a video comparing many more headphones and what genre's they are best for. Would be helpful for those who only prefer certain music genre's like Rock/Hard Rock and want the best headphone's offering nice punch & slam

[@PassionforSound]

It's an interesting idea, JTB, but it's a very tricky topic outside of a specialist headphone like the HD800S. For example, on rock tracks, I might like the bass and drive of the Empyreans, but others might want more attack in the guitars. Some might like a headphone that brings forward the midrange for vocals in pop while others might want a v-shaped sound for more excitement. Ultimately, I think it's more a headphone-specific thing more a genre-specific thing. Hope that makes sense

[@madsmeierjger9558]

I absolutely love my HD800S for classical and jazz!

[@PassionforSound]

That's definitely where they excel!

[@larsk7689]

Hi Lachlan, great review. I’ve had my HD800S for a couple of years now and I haven’t regretted my purchase at all. Great headphones (and great review!)

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Lars, great to hear from you! They're a wonderful headphone, aren't they? What genres do you tend to listen to with them?

[@larsk7689]

@@PassionforSound Lachlan, equally good to see you on screen! I’m mainly using them for ambient listening, and they are absolutely great for that purpose. Driving them with Hugo2, connected to a UltraRendu wired to a NUC in a fanless case. For me, it’s an ideal set up😄 I can see your wonderful channel is growing, super happy to see that!

[@PassionforSound]

That would be a great setup - nice and compact too. Thanks for the kind words. I hope you're doing well! One of these days when things settle down again we'll try to come and visit 🙂

[@larsk7689]

@@PassionforSound you definitely should! Looking forward to that - and I can guide you to all the cool places in Japan, not just the best audio joints but also some good food!

[@PassionforSound]

Sounds wonderful!

[@iamJunXD]

Wow. You literally have the best explanation of the HD800S. During the 2 years I owned them your description is spot on how I felt/feel about them. Coincidentally I sold the HD800S and bought the Focal Clears. There are times I do miss the HD800S though.. 😭

[@PassionforSound]

Glad I'm making sense 😉 Yes, they're a headphone that is unique and one that most previous owners will likely long for from time to time, but I also found I longed for something else from time to time when I owned them so they're a funny one like that...

[@joemomma707]

What do you recommend I power the hd800s with? I just ordered a pair. I have absolutely no idea about DAC and amps or what to get. I’m using the headphones solely for CS-GO. That’s it.

[@rhodey2952]

Had the hd800S, sold them when I bought my clear. Missed them and bought them again lol. They're here to stay now..I like them in contrast with my Verite closed.

[@PassionforSound]

That makes a lot of sense based on my understanding of the VC. Glad you got them back and are enjoying them!

[@AJdarkfire]

Great review! Hopefully when Drop comes out with the 8XXs, it'll become a huge improvement over the 800S's. Problem is, I can't decide if I want to wait till November for the 8XXs or go with the 800S's that I can get for much cheaper than retail.

[@PassionforSound]

That's a tough call! There's obviously no guarantee that the HD8XX will be better too...

[@FTGTapGod]

That 8XX Drop was sure disappointing wasn't it?...

[@PassionforSound]

I'm yet to try one. Curious to hear if they're as bad as some have said.

[@chefsteve8381]

I love it when you include music suggestions, it helps expand my music library after all isn't this why we buy all this audio gear ? to listen to music. like to see a live stream someday. thanks informative review.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you like the track suggestions, Steve. What would you like to see on a live stream?

[@chefsteve8381]

@@PassionforSound just general questions and music suggestion's, maybe a live review

[@PassionforSound]

I've done the AMA with my patrons and we're probably due for another one soon because we have a lot more patrons now. Did you see the first one? I posted it here on the channel a while back. Lives get a bit tricky for timezones because most of my audience are in the US, but I'd be happy to try it sometime. Not sure what I'd review live though - that's an interesting one.

[@chefsteve8381]

@@PassionforSound Yes i did see your AMA, i think with fair warning people will make time for something live, and yes a live review not say I've seen one before, but maybe a first!, you could post for suggestions, maybe a headphone something you could hook up with ears and a mic, maybe hit up a supplier as a giveaway , just throwing it out there.

[@PassionforSound]

I'll certainly see if I can find a way to make it work, but I also just remembered that I've been planning an "audiophile 101" session or similar for people who want to ask questions (or hear the answers to other people's questions) about audiophile topics. That might work better and a giveaway is always possible! 😃

[@brendon3795]

100% agree with the bass weight. I own these and really enjoy them, but having different headphones to choose from, I opt for Beyerdynamic for albums/tracks where I want a little more note weight. Great for Jazz/orchestral, but performs well with any other genre if you want the resolution and neutral sound.

[@PassionforSound]

Nicely put, Brendon. Glad you're enjoying them for your jazz and classical listening though!

[@i.shadrin]

800S is tuned for a bigger sound stage mostly because of frequency response. The drivers are extremely detailed and it's frequency curve here to emphasize it. This EQ settings are not working for everything out of the box, but you can smooth it with a tube amp with darkish tubes installed (JJ, Sovtek etc). Just lower the input to the amplifier and compensate it with tube gain. This will smooth the high end details and thus will emphasize the low end. Adjust the amount for the taste) Please let me know if that helps)

[@brendon3795]

@@i.shadrin I’m listening through the Burson Soloist 3X Performance. I’m feeding that from either Topping D90SE or Denafrips Ares II. Love that I can pick the DAC that suits the music best. Also have the Chord Mojo for portable needs tethered to my phone and accessing my WAV library via PlexAmp. Haven’t got a tube amp, but might consider for future. Really enjoy my Beyerdynamic DT990 250ohm. Great bass for bass heavy genres. Also love Bluetooth on D90SE with Apple music to dig up some obscure beats and some favourites you can’t easily buy in store.

[@sakabatou]

Thanks Jason ;)

[@elliotendures]

Such a timely vid for me. Trying to consider endgame for classical and what that entails. Already have the new Arya and Verité closed.

[@PassionforSound]

Very hard to go past these for classical. The Susvara might be the only headphone I'd comfortably claim to be better.

[@grahamstrahle4010]

I think for someone who knows and appreciates the Sennheiser HD800S so very well, you should get to keep one for future comparisons. I'm sorry that you had to sell yours. But thank you for an extremely insightful review.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Graham! Hopefully in the future I can afford to buy them once again (or maybe the Drop HD8XX to review those).

[@jamestorres5582]

Great review . I see the Deva in the background

[@PassionforSound]

Sure do. Review came out just recently

[@jamestorres5582]

@@PassionforSound I'll look for it . Thank you

[@akqr8]

Great review.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Abe! Did it align with your experiences?

[@x32i77]

I am using the hd800s with the oratory 1990 Harmon target eq preset with a burson Audio Soloist 3x performance AMP and the quesyle CMA twelve master as a preamp . This Combo is 🔥🔥🔥 Its often better than my Meze Empyrean and hifiman HE6se

[@PassionforSound]

That's a big call! Glad you're enjoying it so much 🙂

[@sauhamm3821]

sticker modded 8xx owner here - this review is so spot on. i spent $700 and hours of my time modding a headphone expecting it to sound like heaven. i then spent another $1000 on a real hd 800s to make sure people weren't crazy. no... people really are crazy. the hd 800s and its variants, are not "amazing" - they can be, but when i reach for my 560s over the 800s, we generally have a problem. and that problem is so much of the music i enjoy, needs something the 800s don't have. a gooey nougat center. they're a brilliant set of cans that should be used as a lesson to teach people about never meeting their heroes :) all silliness aside - spot on mate. dead spot on. i'm keeping the 8xx and sending back the 800s as they are identical enough that i couldn't pick them apart in a blind test. and i do reach for them often, and often i put them back down after a few songs and reach for something else. they "can be" fun, but that's a tall ask for the $$$. all that said, this review explained to myself what i couldn't put into words. thanks for that one!

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for sharing your experiences. I'm glad you liked the review.

[@Emilbakalinov]

Both are good headphones with some shortcomings: the Focal sound bit metallic and etched in the treble but with more explosive dynamics and meat on the bones where the HD800s don’t have the metallic tinge but with broader treble peak (but less dips and peaks). HD800 respond very well to eq, where I find the Clear I can’t quite get rid of that metallic tone. Putting aside their frequency characteristics I find the Sennheiser dynamic drivers a little more natural and cohesive sounding than the Focal, so there’s something the 800s bring to the table that comes through after longer listening sessions for me

[@PassionforSound]

Good points, Emil. You're right that EQ can never change some of those timbral characteristics of drivers, like the metallic edge from the Clear.

[@mikeg2491]

@@PassionforSound this is why there is no true “end game” HP, they all have their strengths and weaknesses

[@PassionforSound]

Absolutely!

[@jamieteestudio]

Great review and happy to see your channel grow since the last year or two, great work as always! I am in the decision making between the HD800s or Focal Clear MG Pro headphone that I have set-up with my Bitfrost 3 + Lyr 3. Not sure which will be best suit since both headphone are about the same price in Melbourne.

[@PassionforSound]

That's a tough question. I haven't heard the MG Pro, but I'd lean that way myself. A lot depends on your tastes though so I think the best option is to consider what I've said in this video as the the types of genres most suited to the HD800S.

[@jamieteestudio]

@@PassionforSound that’s good enough information that I gather together from the comments below. Since you have sold this headphone hd800s and which headphone that you will keep it that you out beat this headphone HD800s?

[@PassionforSound]

I kept the Focal Clear, Focal Utopia and Meze Empyrean. I've since sold the Clear because the Utopia is better to my ears in most areas (and better overall for my tastes). That's why I'd recommend the MG Pro though - if it's an improvement on the original Clear, I believe it would be generally better than the HD800S except on those specific genres where the HD800S excels

[@stevenjackson8226]

Ah, the Senn 800S. It has received a wide range of preference since the introduction of the 800. The 700 has kinda fallen by the wayside. I took a jump into this range of headphones with the Hifiman Arya and the Focal Clear; from the Hifiman HE-400i and Edition XX, the Focal Elex, the Drop Dan Clark Aeon X, also the Drop Senn 6XX, and the Drop Koss ESP/95X. ALL of these are very nice-sounding, competent, and different-sounding headphones. I'm leaning a bit toward the Clear as my favorite. I haven't heard the 800S, but from what I've distilled from all the reviews I've heard and read there are some great things it does, and perhaps some not so great. I do have both a Bottlehead Crack and a Bottlhead S3X. Very different sounding animals. My curiosity is how the 800S might work with the Crack. The Crack is notably softer and rounder, and I wonder whether that might work as a good complement to the 800S?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Steven, I would expect the Crack and HD800S to go really nicely together. I'd also suggest that the Clear would be a nice combo too for a slightly different signature and presentation. I enjoyed both from the Mainline in high impedance mode.

[@timothyfreeseha4056]

Really insightful review. Not negative, but helpful.

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you found it helpful!

[@Nephilim-81]

I like the Thievery corporation example. Thank you for the music rec. they have some Massive Attack like qualities. :) Also. I look at the HD 800’s as a 6 grand headphone. They’re picky and analytical as hell. You need amazing teammates to get them singing right. Sources of Fidelity as well when it comes to recordings. Took me over 10 years to buy what I needed to love these headphones. :)

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you're enjoying the HD800s. They never won me over, but it all depends on personal taste 🙂

[@Nephilim-81]

@@PassionforSound. Incredibly true. They are thee most grumpy headphone on the planet. Like an old German man set in his ways. Oh boy. Lol.

[@Paddy234]

I have my HD800S paired with a ifi micro black label. With xbass turned on it is by far the best headphone for house music I ever heard mostly because it still retains the same signature and detail at all other frequencies.

[@PassionforSound]

That's a great tip - thanks, Paddy!

[@Vikinguy]

I just bought a set last night and will pair it with ifi idsd signature and will for sure put it on xbass mode. IFI amps are amazing. Do you also use the 3D switch with them?

[@Paddy234]

@@Vikinguy No I find the 3d switch makes it a tad brighter, the xbass just gives it that touch I feel it needs

[@slaying4682]

The connector is insanely hard to pull out. I scratched my pair the day I got them because of the pull reaction coupled with my reaction to push back so that I don't pull too hard. Just a tip, pull straight out without any hesitation while gripping from the base of the proprietary metal connector

[@PassionforSound]

I completely agree - dreadful choice by Sennheiser on the connector used. Great tip though!

[@DrNitin14]

Thanks this made me decide the Arya Hifiman was the middle ground between these two as I'd still want great sound staging but want that lower drive too.

[@PassionforSound]

I think that's a great choice. I've actually got the new Arya with the stealth magnets here for review and after some burn-in they're wonderful

[@DrNitin14]

@@PassionforSound that's awesome I'm getting the stealth tomorrow hopefully. I currently own the fostex hpa4bl DAC/amp, would I need a new amp for the Aryas? From what I understand the new stealth's are a little easier to drive.

[@PassionforSound]

The stealth version work great from every product I've tried so far. They're not easy to drive, but certainly not difficult. The HPA4BL should be great with them

[@kokyong2011]

Would love to hear your review of the Audeze LCD line of headphones (LCD-2, LCD-3, LCD-4) and compare it with the Focal Clear. To me the Focal Clear sounds metallic. I imagine it's made by machines for machines :o. Audezes on the other hand, sounds natural, smooth and organic (like the kinda of sound you would like).

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Ang, I've actually got the LCD-1s on the way and hope to have more models in the future. I owned a pair of LCD-2s (pre-Fazpr) quite some time ago and I definitely like the Audeze approach to tuning headphones!

[@BigJalapeno]

Great review as always, did you try your hd800 with a tube amp?

[@PassionforSound]

I did. I had the Bottlehead Mainline and Auris Euterpe at the time. The HD800(S) definitely benefit from tubes IMO

[@gibgun]

Going from sceptic to believer after an audition of the Audeze LCD-5, I went home and listened back to the same tracks on my HD 800 S. I was disappointed and it only made me more confident about the next headphones I wanted. I planned on selling the HD 800 S to fund the Hugo TT2, but when I listened to the HD 800 S on the TT2, they received a significant upgrade in sound compared to my RME ADI-2! Long story short I kept the HD 800 S and love them

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you're enjoying them! It's VERY hard to beat the TT2 with most headphones.

[@endlessdrive8421]

I recently ordered the HD800S despite it's controversial sound signature because I want something different. I currently have a Hifiman Arya which I would consider to be basically perfect to my ears...but ironically since owning them, I've become less critical about whether a headphone will sound "perfect" because I know I can always count on my Arya's and now my end game is to fill two "specialty spots" - 1) highly detailed and wide staging headphone 2) impactful, dynamic and meaty low-end headphone. The HD800's seem perfect for the 1st spot and for the 2nd spot I would imagine an LCD series or maybe Focal, but that wont be for another 2-3 years.

[@PassionforSound]

Hope you enjoy the HD800S. They're exceptional at what they do!

[@paulrogers7067]

Great honest opinion. Finally someone who what's their talking about .

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks Paul. Glad you like the content

[@samhor33]

When you get it right the 800s is really really good! I paired mine with Naim uniti core > Chord hugo tt2 > Simaudio 430ha > Cardas clear dual xlr > 800s, it sounds open, filled with details, musical and no compression.

[@PassionforSound]

I agree, Sam - it can sound wonderful with the right source chain and music

[@joemomma707]

The fuck is all that you listed!? Holy shit! I just ordered a pair of HD 800s. I’m using it solely for CS-GO. That’s it. I have absolutely no idea what DAC and amp to get. I just need something so allow me to game.

[@samhor33]

@@joemomma707 wow, that's an expensive pair of headphone for gaming, by the way the 800s is an amazing headphone if you willing to dig into the rabbit hole it will surprise you.

[@joemomma707]

@@samhor33 I watched a video on KZbin where 5 audiophile pros confirmed that the HD800s was the end all be all for gaming. So I bought them. Now, I’m fucked. I want to keep it mother fuckin simple since it’s only for Csgo. What amp/DAC do you recommend? Jds element 3? Schiit stack? If so, which stack. I keep hearing a bout schiit stack. Lol! Which two do I stack? Apos TOPPING-50 Ensemble? I’m so lost Just want it simple and good for my use. Number one reason I went with 800hds is really for comfort. Everyone says comfort is best. I’m super sensitive to clamp force and people complain about how these don’t have any so I figured they good for me

[@samhor33]

@@joemomma707 Schitt actually have a gaming specific dac/amp called Hel, it's around $199 usd, maybe you can give that a try👍

[@xJae14x]

The lack of clamp force actually annoyed me, it was excessively loose although still comfortable. After ordering both these and Focal Clears, I returned the 800s and kept the clears

[@michaelr8313]

I respect that, I have the 800S and an LCDX, I prefer the LCDX for the music I listen to (rock, metal, edm) but decided to keep the 800S too because its amazing for gaming

[@PassionforSound]

I can understand that, Jae. MC 3700, that's an interesting point about the HD800S for gaming. I'm looking forward to trying the LCD-X soon I hope

[@solrq8349]

Great review like always I have the HD800s And every thing you said is right on spot I was thinking of buying another headphone but I don't know if it's worth the sacrifice of the comfort and sound stage of the hd800s I recently bought HDV820 I found it in 1800$ And saw it as bargain and its really improved the sound like 30% from THX 789 Also am thinking of buying Denafrips Ares 2 have you tried them with the TT2?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Solr, I'm not clear what you mean - tried what with the TT2?

[@solrq8349]

@@PassionforSound HD800S With TT2 and Denafrips Ares II.

[@PassionforSound]

Ah, not possible. The TT2 has no analog inputs it is a DAC with built-in amp. The Ares II would be a nice pairing with the HD800S though I expect because of its smoothness. So Ares II plus Soloist, Jotunheim or Artemis (for three amp options) would be great!

[@solrq8349]

@@PassionforSound Thanks 🙏 for the recommendation keep up the great reviews.❤️

[@simonm8586]

I realise many audiophiles don't like messing with sound, but EQ does wonders with these headphones and the HD800. You can find the annoying treble peaks & drop it by 3-6dB, and wham, no more grateing treble. As for punch and drive, that can be resolved with an EQ bass shelf of about 3-5dB. For those who are naysayers about the concept of changing the sound, think about how much the headphone itself changes the sound. That's why there is no such thing as a perfect sounding headphone to everyone.

[@PassionforSound]

Good points across the board, Simon. To clarify one point for anyone reading this, what Simon says is very true for a headphone like the HD800S, but it doesn't mean you can buy a cheap headphone and expect to EQ it to perform like an expensive headphone as there is more to it. Starting with a high quality headphone like the HD800S gives you lots of flexibility if you're into EQing.

[@marioflores280]

I paired my hd800s with a schiit valhalla2 tube amp. They get a bit More warmth and are a joy to listen too.

[@PassionforSound]

Definitely makes a difference feeding them with a nice warm amp!

[@JTB--]

I've found the best experience with the HD 800s is on a tube amp like the LYR 3 with some Lokius EQ Bass added. 👍

[@PassionforSound]

I agree. They're more enjoyable to me with tubes and adding some bass would likely make them even better still

[@matthewchevres4970]

Nice review brother. I have soundblaster ae-7 pcie internal soundcard with it be good enough to push these headphones? Thanks

[@PassionforSound]

I don't think that's a pairing if go with. Internal sound cards are powered by the PC power supply which will limit the output quality of the soundcard. You'd be doing yourself a disservice to spend so much on headphones to drive from the soundcard. I'd recommend investing in an external headphone amp to go between the soundcard and the headphones. Something like a Topping L30, Schiit Asgard 3 or Geshelli Labs Archel would all be a good start

[@matthewchevres4970]

Thanks brother, i appreciate your help. Will do that

[@billyc3161]

Have you ever listened to the Audeze LCD-4z? If so how would you compare it to the HD 800s?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Billy, I haven't tried the LCD-4z yet. I've got the LCD-1 here now so will hopefully get more Audeze gear in the future.

[@DMEGC]

So, LCD-X for the base, Arya stealth for a good all around, and HD800s for the soundstage and imaging. correct? I just bought the Fiio K9 pro ESS and I am thinking into buying those 3 at the same time coming from some beyerdynamics 1990 pro. Am I crazy or am I crazy? I am going to need to learn to EQ...

[@PassionforSound]

I would probably take a different approach and choose headphones that aren't bought for a singular purpose. By the time you buy those three headphones, you could probably get yourself a pair of Elites or maybe a pair of ZMF Atriums which are excellent all-around headphones (although the Atriums may require a pad-swap for certain genres and isn't like a planar for bass). You'll get better sound by spending a bit more on 1-2 sets of headphones rather than buying many to compensate for the imperfections of each

[@Merkava76]

Heya Lachlan, mate I just got an offer for the new 2021 HD800S and I thought at that price, may as well grab them, I hope they're fixed the issues 🤞

[@PassionforSound]

I wasn't aware they'd made any changes. I hope you enjoy them 🙂

[@xinyaoyin2238]

finally a good youtuber, you are not one of those frustrating stupid dumb reviewers who dont know anything about music. Subcribed and good job!

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you like the content!

[@turbomustang84]

The no EQ at all costs sentiment in this hobby does a huge disservice to listeners everywhere. The HD-800s when EQ is applied can quell the highs as well as boost the low end to a satisfactory level . The same people that are so anti-EQ are fine with stuffing a headphone with more dampening material that achieves the same outcome. The Audiosource EQ - One that I've owned since the 80s let's me Taylor the sound on my Speakers to fit the room as well as correct things that are in my headphones performance as well . My Hifiman Sundara's are a bit Bass lite but with a slide of a knob they can be a very competent all round performer. I'm not a fan of software EQs but done with an analog EQ that is well made the end result is fantastic.

[@PassionforSound]

There's no anti-EQ sentiment here. I personally choose to not EQ for a variety of reasons, but it's never discouraged. My point in this video is that you can't EQ one headphone to be identical to another because the properties of the driver's reproduction of the soundwaves goes beyond frequency alone. That doesn't mean people shouldn't EQ a headphone to their preferences though.

[@markrung8051]

Could you please let me know if the 800s will be ok with my Naim 5i amplifier? I know it's subjective but I would just like to know if it's an ok amp to drive these please

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Adam, I haven't heard the Naim so I can't comment - sorry! Generally speaking headphone outputs on power amps aren't the best quality, but there are exceptions so maybe check some reviews of the 5i to see if the HP output has been discussed.

[@markrung8051]

@@PassionforSound Thank you for your reply, I will check that out. Cheers

[@lonestar1664]

You defintely need to get Arya I had HD800S, now have both Empyrean and Arya and prefer the Arya over Empys

[@NathanMadison]

can you give a little more detail about why you like the arya over the empys..

[@suns767]

I recently purchased the Aryas and Empyreans and ended up returning the Aryas. At first I was unsure which I preferred, but after 2 weeks my preference became obvious. They were both great, but to me the Empys had better bass, the vocals were fuller and the sound was never offensive/piercing. I did prefer the Aryas on maybe 20% of my tracks, and I could see someone preferring the Aryas overall.

[@PassionforSound]

I'm keen to try the Aryas. I've just received the Anandas for review so maybe the Aryas will happen soon...

[@damienriot]

I have Arya, focal clear and Empyrean. While Arya is better than focal in most music (excluding metals), it can't beat empy imo. There some songs where treble peakiness is too much on the arya, specially in the poorly recorded tracks. Clear literally has zero treble peak on my sources (Topping dx7 pro & Ifi signature). Moreover, the bass on the arya might have a bit more bass than HD800s, it's no way near as good as the focal or Empyrean. The subbass on the Empyrean is also amazing. I would rank empy>>arya>clear. The sound stage is too small on the focal HPs unfortunately. Empyrean is one of those products that aren't too good in one segment, but at the same time doesn't have any flaws. Also, if possible try the copper meze cable for the Empyrean with alcantara pad. The stock cable with leather pad seemed to close down the sound stage a bit to my ears which is when I prefered arya. But after cable and pad swap, it's a whole new and quite superior experience

[@lonestar1664]

@@damienriot it's all personal taste I like Arya's big sound stage and detail retrieval is better, also often the bass on Empyrean bit overwhelmeing nevertheless they both have their Pro and Cons that's why I kept both.

[@defaultHandle1110]

I've used this once, they are so light, and have no pressure on the head, or ears etc. They also blew me away with the clarity, comparing to ath-m50 as my usual headphones. I may get these just for the comfort!

[@PassionforSound]

They are an insanely comfortable headphone!

[@mrvitalikish]

Would really appreciate a comparison to its competition from Hifiman - the Arya. I'm really having a tough time deciding between the two.

[@joaoveiga3382]

I would go with the new Clear MG. I already had Arya and the treble definition is much worse than Focal and Sennheiser, don't buy Arya before listening. For definition, neutrality and better overall performance I would go with the Focal Clears without a doubt.

[@PassionforSound]

I'm hoping to try the Aryas soon. So many mixed reports! The Clear MG looks very interesting too. Hopefully I can try them sometime

[@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou]

@@joaoveiga3382 What DAC/amp were you using? I've never seen anyone say they prefer the Clear over the Arya by that large of a margin with respect to treble definition.

[@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou]

@@PassionforSound Based on all I've read and heard, it seems like the Arya might be the sweet spot between the narrow punch and slam of the Clear and the bright spaciousness of the HD800S.

[@joaoveiga3382]

@@MayTheSchwartzBeWithYou I use the Focal Utopia with the Focal Arche Dac / Amp, when I switched to the Hifiman Arya the loss of quality and resolution in the treble was huge, while with the Focal Clear and the HD800 everything sounded good. Arya's bass is very good and the sound stage is better than the clear, but Arya's resolution and transparency are much worse than the others in my opinion, this really interferes with the musical engagement. But that's my opinion, listen for yourself and if you buy the Arya, you can return if you don't like it! My recommendation goes to Clear MG

[@DibsonAlexaBliss]

These are my dream headphones. 6xx and 800s is endgame for me. Also bottlehead crack🤗🤗

[@PassionforSound]

A lovely combination!

[@amirhosseinnahrbarik4086]

I don’t really know what amp should i get for hd800s. I am thinking about hdv820 because i am out of options but I don’t know it would sound good with it. The soundstage isn’t impressive with my current amp.

[@PassionforSound]

The HDV820 is brilliant, but won't give a lot of soundstage depth either. For depth, you'd need an R2R, Schiit Multibit or Chord DAC and then a quality discrete design amp like a Burson Soloist, Singxer SA-1, etc.

[@EivindDahl]

Does EQ figure into your evaluations at all? If not I think it probably should!

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Eivind, sometimes it does a little, but overall no. People who like to apply EQ will generally be able to know if a headphone is close enough to what they want based on a non-EQ explanation and the moment we start introducing EQ it gets very difficult to compare headphones. On top of that, an perhaps most importantly, I'm not an EQer and like to enjoy each headphone for its own sound. That means I'm not really the best qualified to discuss EQing headphones so I'll leave it to those who are.

[@jacksatin2011]

Would you recommend the upgrade cable as Cardas Clear dual XLR or XLR (4 pins) to match with Hd800s) ?

[@PassionforSound]

I'm not sure exactly which part you want input on, Jack. I don't know the Cardas cable so I can't comment on that specifically. For the terminations, the single 4-pin XLR connector is the most common, but 4.4mm balanced connections are also becoming more common now so if that's an option you might also want to consider that and then get an adapter from 4.4mm to 4-pin XLR

[@jacksatin2011]

@@PassionforSound Thanks for your prompt reply.

[@PassionforSound]

My pleasure

[@charlesbutler2250]

I am happy with 4pin xlr cardas clear and more amps come with single vs dual

[@BillyKueekSG]

There is an offer for HD800S locally for the coming 11.11 sale, selling brand new local authorized distributor price at AUD$1,480 (USD1,100) whereas the Hifiman Arya stealth magnet version from a China seller is selling at AUD$1678 (USD1,261) which is as good as no warranty. I have a Focal Clear MG coming, currently using Sennheiser HD650, Philips Fidelio X1S, Focal Elegia & Sony WH-1000XM2. Should I go for the HD800S or the Arya?

[@PassionforSound]

The HD800S is amazing if you're sticking to the genres where it excels (classical, chamber, acoustic, etc.) The Arya is the better all-rounder IMO. If it were me, I'd get the Arya because I think it will give you a nice contrast with the dynamic driver Focals.

[@BillyKueekSG]

@@PassionforSound, thank you so much, what you said is what I wished to hear haha

[@PassionforSound]

Glad I could provide such service! 😁

[@ValyenFluff]

Question, I have the HD800s - I run them through my Apollo Twin .. now as much as I do love the sound - it's not MIND BLOWING to me .. you know ? The way people describe these headphones, i don't get that .. could it possibly be the Apollo Twin not allowing them to shine as well as they need to ? was thinking to get the Valhalla 2

[@PassionforSound]

Hi VF, in my (limited) experience audio interfaces are not good as headphone amps or even DACs as they're designed for capturing and monitoring music, not listening to it in high fideltiy. I definitely think you'll hear big improvements from some better gear. Maybe start with the amp as you suggest and then see how you go. Hopefully you start to hear the magic! 🙂

[@lastcall9998]

Sell that pos mate. I bought an Apollo Solo and returned it right away after listening to my HD820... they never sounded worse. I've read Ua interfaces work better or worse depending on the headphones though. Right now I am sporting a Motu M4 and a THX AAA 789 and the headphones sound way better. I still feel I will get a different combo: Schiit Bifrost 2, a Digiface (RME) and an 8 pre (ADAT) so I can have the best of all worlds (the DAC is the most important thing for headphones, and if you ask me, for monitors too).

[@ValyenFluff]

@@lastcall9998 hey man i really appreciate this reply, I got the Apollo Twin because I also record music for people on it - so that is pretty much all I have to drive them. They do sound great, but not mind blowing you know ? Like the clarity that people talk about , i'm not hearing that .. so I am glad that the Apollo isn't doing it justice. Trying to figure out if I can rent any headphone amps so I can test them out on different ones before I buy .. but in London not sure where I can find some. Thank you!

[@PassionforSound]

See if there is a local audio classified like StereoNet. Secondhand gear is a great way to try out gear. You can normally resell it for the same price if you don't like it. Also, stay tuned for my review of the Singxer SA-1 which might be an excellent option for the HD800S. The review is still a fair way off though...

[@rendezvous009]

That's why I preferred the Hifiman headphones, only 2.5mm or 3.5mm connectors, very easy to change out the cables. I don't like the HD800s cables and their connectors.

[@PassionforSound]

I agree in general about proprietary or locking cables that don't allow easy replacement

[@Lemonpinesol]

If you have the 800s and wanted a companion set of headphones to use for more bass driven electronic music, which would you pick?

[@marioflores280]

Audiotechnica r70x, has a narrow soundstage, but the openess of the hd800s; the bass Is the Best imo for dynamic openbacks

[@Lemonpinesol]

@@marioflores280 The only real listening experience i have on audiotechnica are AD2000x which are pretty bass light, but ill check out your recommendation thanks.

[@PassionforSound]

I can't agree with Mario on that one. The R70X are a nice headphone (I own them), but for electronic music where you want more kick, I'd be looking at the Meze 99 Neo (closed and lots of fun), HiFiMan Sundara (good bass, but not fast sounding), Monolith M1060 V2, Audeze LCD-2 or Meze Empyreans if you want to go all out.

[@Lemonpinesol]

@@PassionforSound appreciate the reply, i will check these out!

[@blanchbacker]

Arya sounds incredible with electronic music

[@SuperEnforcer88]

Another question is will the drop version be better than the original?

[@PassionforSound]

It's a very interesting question, too. I hope to try the HD8XX when it's officially available

[@robertp7709]

Is there a headphone that exists with this comfort and weight but more bass? I was going to buy 800s for its lightweight and comfort but now the lack of bass you are saying kills it for me. I mostly listen to future garage, drum and bass, rock etc..

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't found one yet... Probably something like a HiFiMan Ananda or maybe Arya (which I haven't heard yet) could be a good option. They're not quite as comfortable, but they're better on the bass (at least Ananda is)

[@asplmn]

Sony MDR-Z1R. One of the most comfortable cans I've experienced, and is great for rock and EDM

[@Loot_Train]

Sennheiser HD800 s or Focal Clear MG for 70% gaming/ 30% music that wants to avoid harsh sibilant headphones?

[@PassionforSound]

I haven't heard the Clear MG to be certain, but I'd personally go that way anyway to avoid the brightness and lack of bass from the HD800S

[@shadouxg7150]

When your going to reveal the winner from the giveaways?

[@PassionforSound]

Check out the Community tab, ElhijodeDios. Announced this week. 🙂

[@martyp2138]

I've owned these twice and have finally settled on these. I've had Grados, Audeze LCD-X/4, Hi-FiMann etc and I came back to these due to the weight. They are simply the most comfortable headphones I've used. You just slip them on and forget about them, the Audeze have great presentation and bass presence however, I can't go longer than 1 hr before they become a burden. I could wear these all day and as a result I'm happy with the sound presentation and lack of bottom end - the higher treble doesn't actually bother me.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you've found your "perfect" headphone, Marty. I agree about their comfort - there are very few headphones that can match them in that regard.

[@djhmax09]

Do you have 2 Burson Soloists on that desk? Or is that a Composer DAC?

[@PassionforSound]

Well spotted! That's a Composer DAC. Stay tuned! 😉

[@djhmax09]

@@PassionforSound I've been wondering about that DAC and how well it goes with the Soloist...looking forward to your take!

[@PassionforSound]

Coming soon. Just a couple of others in the queue ahead of it now.

[@buenahora001]

Would love a comparison with the new Focal Clear MG as the soundstage on them is supposed to be impressive as well.

[@buenahora001]

@Michael thanks for the input. Some of the reviews I read talked about an expansive soundstage so I appreciate you clarifying that. Never owned the OG Clear’s and considering purchasing the MG’s. How do you like them so far?

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting to hearvyoue thoughts on this, Michael - thanks! It would make sense that the Clear MG won't expand significantly beyond the original Clear because the tuning will be restricting it somewhat. The additional warmth in the tuning of the Clears will reduce the sense of space and scale in the stage, but I personally find it more natural so I'm glad they've kept the tuning as they have. Looking forward to hearing them one day.

[@josha8715]

I have the sennheiser hd800 and i think that the bass and treble peaks are fine, so with that said, i should love the hd800s because it gets rid of problems i already “tolerate”.

[@josha8715]

great video btw

[@PassionforSound]

That logic sounds good to me. I've owned both and the HD800S is definitely an improvement IMO, but both are enjoyable headphones in their own way

[@josha8715]

@@PassionforSound do you know if the hifiman arya are good compared to the hd800?

[@PassionforSound]

I much prefer them (referring to the new stealth magnet version), but there's always the question of personal preference. Check out my Arya review if you want to understand more about their characteristics

[@josha8715]

@@PassionforSound alright, thank you for the responses

[@SpykerSpeed]

I own the HD800S now. I have them connected to a balanced cable on my Jotunheim 2. They sound phenomenal after applying EQ, but honestly I just don't find them comfortable at all. The oversized cups slide around on my head and cause itching. I've got the Meze Empyrean on the way, so I look forward to doing a comparison between the two. I expect the Empyrean will be more comfortable. I used to own the HD700 and HD595, both of which I considered very comfortable (but much too dark/fuzzy in terms of sound...the step up to $1000+ headphones is dramatic). Thanks for the great videos Lachlan!

[@PassionforSound]

The HD800S/Jot 2 combo would be great! I get what you mean about the comfort too - comfort is often a very personal thing. I think you'll like the Empyreans a lot, but be prepared for a much warmer sound than the HD800S. They're still very resolving, so no thickness, but warm - particularly coming from the HD800S. I hope you love them as much as I do.

[@SpykerSpeed]

@@PassionforSound Wow. I just got them today and I've had trouble taking them off my head. Just mind blowing. This is exactly the sound signature I was searching for. Initially I connected them to my Jotunheim but I noticed the left driver was giving me crackling sounds in many tracks, so I switched to my cheap tiny FiiO DAC (with balanced output). It was night and day. I think the Jot was pumping far too much power into the electrostatic film. With the FiiO I have zero desire to EQ these. They are perfect.

[@PassionforSound]

That's a worry about the distortion! The Jot should only cause problems if you're turning it up too loud (which is a bit too easy with the Jot). They'll sound even better from a better device than the FiiO so maybe try again with the Jot, but go gently with the volume 🙂

[@SpykerSpeed]

@@PassionforSound You're right, I was listening too loudly at first because I was trying to hear for detail. I've currently got the Empyreans connected to the THX 789 with the FiiO only serving as the DAC. Much better detail here than coming straight from the FiiO, and the bass seems to be more reigned in. A nice compromise!

[@PassionforSound]

Ah good. I'm glad!

[@QoraxAudio]

Of course it's still relevant. A truly good headphone isn't just a fad or hype... it was a good headphone and will always be a good headphone!

[@markus301]

Where i can find that headphone support?

[@PassionforSound]

I don't think it's available anymore 😞 It was from Firestone Audio

[@markus301]

@@PassionforSound oh okey, Could you tell me what the model's name is? Thanks.

[@PassionforSound]

I actually don't know if it had one. I'm pretty sure it was just the Firestone Audio headphone stand.

[@lowrider007007]

Wonder how this would pair with xduoo ta-26?

[@PassionforSound]

Beautifully! 😁

[@kennethmccullough1342]

What would you suggest to rival the 880s as far as soundstage width and holographic sound? Thank you.

[@PassionforSound]

Do you mean the 800S? I don't think anything really matches them to this day. They're unique for staging.

[@kennethmccullough1342]

@@PassionforSound yes sorry.

[@kennethmccullough1342]

Is there another headphone though that can get you close to the soundstage and immersive sound that the 800s does so well? Something relatively close? Thanks for taking the time to respond. Keep up the good work. Really enjoy your reviews.

[@PassionforSound]

@kennethmccullough1342 there's honestly nothing I can think of because the HD800S is in a league of its own with staging. Other headphones like the Focal Clear do a good job, but it's more of a deep stage rather than a state that's huge in all directions.

[@mfzupon4209]

Finally a review template that should be copied by all. I love 800s for symphonic, jazz, acoustic music. Without knowing the reviewer's music bias reviews are worthless. Thank you for this review and please always follow this format of matching/comparing headphones to various music genres.

[@PassionforSound]

So glad you liked it! I don't always apply this genre-focussed approach, but whenever I find a headphone that excels on specific genres I do tend to highlight that 🙂

[@ernestochang1744]

If the Sennheiser HD6XX blow my expectations out of the water (which im sure they will because ihave never owned a pair of headphones in my life) then the next obvious purchase would be an amp... but i really really want those Focal clears now not gonna lie xD

[@PassionforSound]

It's like that once you start down this path. The good news is that if you choose a good amp, it will stay with you for all your future headphone purchases too 🙂

[@ernestochang1744]

@@PassionforSound yeah i love the physical stuff, unfortunately you cant take it to the grave with you i am used to always hearing sound through guitar speakers and bass speakers specifically meant to capture and encapsulate 1 specific set of frequencies for example you cant plug in a bass guitar into a guitar amplifier (Class D solid state) and blast it in volume at noon otherwise the speaker might suffer, i never really had something thats full range and the pair of speakers on my computer are a pair of logitech s150 usb $20 speakers and ive had those since i was 11 years old am 23 now 😂

[@mikegoddard7354]

I dont mean to disturb any persons thoughts or opinion on this, but the first time I ever got into headphones. Which was almost a year ago, not a veteran. I tried these on my first headphone demo at a audio shop and these were not my cup of tea. I tried the Clear, LCD-2, and the 800s and that's how I would rank them to my ears. The LCD-2 was the headphone that made me want to get into quality headphones. Ironic that I enjoyed the clears better. And it was tested with qutest and some chord headphone amp, not sure if that played any role. LOL man, funny man. Made this comment prior to watching the entire review

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Mike, so having watched the rest you know that we tend to agree! 🙂

[@mikegoddard7354]

@@PassionforSound I would hope anyone does lol, not sure about sennheiser or which pair really shines. No headphone is perfect, but you would expect at those prices they would be really up there. The lcd-2 you can get for like a 1000 I believe now, and the clear is usually 1200-1300 vs such an pricy headphone not sure what you get. Maybe the 6XX? Maybe they were glorious in previous years vs competition Guessing that's why they are selling off the headphone division, not that I am trying to imply it is bad but a performance to value perspective would state otherwise lol

[@PassionforSound]

I'm not sure what the story is with Sennheiser headphones because, now that I think about it, they haven't done anything super new or groundbreaking for sometime. There's the HD820 and HD560S I suppose, but neither feel like a significant new product so much as modified older products.

[@mikegoddard7354]

@@PassionforSound Well from what I hear they are going to selling off their headphone portion of the company. They probably were doing really well and then had some idiots try to figure maybe we can just mass market this like bose and neglect quality. I know bluetooth headphones are pretty weak, but recently I was in search for one. I had tried the sennheiser 458BT and momentum and I didn't like either. The 458 actually had a buzz/hum situation going on no matter what you did. I only chose them because I know they do produce some quality headphones or so I thought. Beyerdynamic Lagoon/traveler ANC smashed those headphones all around, sonically. I actually tried this company Master & Dynamic, NY based, and purchased their MW65 with Be drivers. Quite certain it's Be coated drivers, but they do run for 600 with tax. I got mine on black friday for 400 with payment option. Honestly those headphones are really nice and ANC does not disturb the sound at all. Not sure why nobody is talking about them and they have few reviews. I'm almost positive they kill the panda's, airpod max pro's, bose/sony for sure to my ears at least.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for letting me know about the M&D cans - I'd often wondered. As for Sennheiser, I think maybe the audiophile market is too small compared to their pro gear business so it's likely just a question of focussing their efforts where the market (and money) is

[@a1blooded986]

can i buy yours? serious inquires

[@PassionforSound]

Mine is long gone - sorry

[@spyderhead7160]

👍

[@tnarch]

hd800s are exactly as you mention...they have bass but not at the point to shake your head. How do hd800s sound from Asgard against the much more expensive bottle head? I would like to know if it is worth the price gap between them in order one to choose the former, or an amp at this price tag.

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Filippos, the Mainline is in a totally different league from the Asgard 3 (as it should be). They Mainline brings greater resolution and detail, better soundstaging and the option to run in low or high output impedance mode which can adjust the sound a bit. The Asgard is great for the price, but I do think it's worth spending a bit more on an amp for a headphone at the level of the HD800S. (The Schiit Jotunheim 2 would be a nice budget option though)

[@tnarch]

@@PassionforSound thanks for your answer 🙂

[@roygertel]

At 2:00 U can see clearly written HD800S. I have those exactly & it written at mine only HD800 (without the S).... Why ?!

[@PassionforSound]

There are two versions, Roy, HD800 and HD800S. Sounds like you have the original HD800. Are they light grey or dark grey like these?

[@roygertel]

@@PassionforSound no. I have the hd800s. For sure.

[@PassionforSound]

Interesting. Perhaps they revised the printing on the chassis somewhere along the lines

[@roygertel]

@@PassionforSound Yes...maybe !

[@brianisaac1804]

Have you tried them with the A90?

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Brian, I have. It's not a pairing I would recommend, but there's also nothing wrong with it.

[@julianschmidt147]

@@PassionforSound what Dac/Amp would you recommend?

[@PassionforSound]

I'd go for the Schiit Jotunheim 2 or Singxer SA-1. All of these are amps only so I assume you have a DAC already?

[@brianisaac1804]

Is the A90 not powerful enough for the 800s? I know you’re not a gamer, so your reviews are based on music listening. People say that game sound and music are totally different, but I’m not sure.

[@PassionforSound]

The A90 is plenty powerful enough, but just not as good an amp. My understanding of gaming vs music listening is that gamers prioritise spatial cues so they can locate opponents they can't see. All of these amps will do that well, but the A90 will provide a flatter soundstage which might enhance the left-right detail and accuracy, but at the cost of distance front-back

[@CaptnKrksNippls]

I want the hd800 simply for gaming and use others for music enjoyment

[@PassionforSound]

That makes sense. The soundstaging and imaging would be great for games.

[@razisn]

If one is not a bass head and not in one’s prime age wise, the Sens will serve one well for most any music but the most abominably recorded. I am 60y.o., can hear up to 14KHz, which is not bad for my age, but with a noticeable deterioration in sensitivity. The HD800s highs do not bother me at all, quite the contrary. Partner with an amp on the slightly warmer side of neutral, maybe a tube or tunnel hybrid, and you’re good to go. I have never looked back.

[@PassionforSound]

Glad you're enjoying your setup, razisn!

[@TheHope12322]

Please compare HD 800S vs DT 1990 Pro.

[@PassionforSound]

Sorry, no can do. I've sold the HD800S and don't own the DT1990 Pro. ☹️

[@TheHope12322]

@@PassionforSound How would you compare them in your opinion? I noticed that the HD 800S 500 mW goes way louder than the DT 1990 Pro 200 mW and clips much easier than the HD 800S. The HD 800S has tons of Bass and slam if you feed it with THX amp or SparkOS. The HD 800S is source dependent which is also weakness and a strength because you can get a different experience with different hardware which in my opinion is an exciting prospect.

[@PassionforSound]

I think the HD800S is the better overall headphone, but it's also not as compact or solid feeling as the DT1990. To me, the DT1990 is the workhorse headphone for those that like the sound of it and the HD800S is the more balanced (less peaky) but also more bulky and fragile of the two

[@TheHope12322]

@@PassionforSound Agreed.

[@soulfulfool]

Did you ever heard Audio-Technica ATH ADX5000?

[@PassionforSound]

Not as yet ☹️

[@soulfulfool]

@@PassionforSound Me too but I read some reviews and mostly they are positive only audio science with their measurements was negative, but the hell with that they can measure amp's headphone you must hear with good chain. Old audiophiles liked them so I gave them a try, got that suddenly urge to have something made with japan precision 😅

[@PassionforSound]

I need to get back in touch with my Audio Technica contact and see what we can arrange...

[@soulfulfool]

@@PassionforSound They are definitely not forgiving headphones, if music got bad mastering you will know it immediately. Well balanced sound with extreme level of details, slightly on a brighter sound. With high quality recordings its top class

[@mhortop1]

The Focal Utopia’s are a complete rip off compared to these. They are way too similar and the Utopia’s 5.5k AUD price tag almost feels like extortion by comparison to these. These HD800s’s sound magical especially when driven by tubes and the price of less than 2k AUD is a total steal in terms of price to performance ratio. The detail and resolution is pretty much exactly the same as the Utopia’s the only real difference is the slightly elevated bass and dynamics of the Focal but the Sennheiser’s are more balanced even if they are a little leaner in presentation. Nice review though! 👍

[@PassionforSound]

I don't agree as I find the Utopias suit more music better whereas the HD800S have a certain sweet spot where they excel and other areas they don't so much. I feel like the Utopias can also take a significant step up with the right amplification (i.e. a nice tube amp) so I still feel they're the better headphone. That said, for the price, the Utopias are more than twice as good as the HD800S so value is definitely a factor! There's also personal preference to be considered so this isn't to say that either of us is right or wrong 🙂

[@mhortop1]

@@PassionforSound yeah I hear you so I guess it does all come down to personal preference and yes you probably could also say that the Utopia is ultimately the better ‘musical’ headphone but I just find the differences so minor for it to not be an issue at all. I do find though that the HD800’s are particularly sweet with both traditional and contemporary jazz compositions. Acoustic Alchemy, Larry Carlton, The Rippingtons and Lee Rittenour etc sound amazing with the HD800s. The bass can sometimes need a bit of a bump but that can be done with EQ. The HD800s is still one of the best value flagships I’ve ever heard. I wonder if Sennheiser will come out with an update soon…HD900 maybe?

[@PassionforSound]

They're probably due for a new model. We'll see... 🤞

[@oledevo]

Treble issue is solved by taking off the cushions and the material covering the drivers, cut the top off a koss porta pro foam piece to size so it fits on top of the driver, put the material back on and the ear cushion.

[@PassionforSound]

Thanks for the tip. That really shouldn't be necessary at this price point though and I believe there are better headphones available that don't require such modifications

[@kentbergstrom3020]

Why complicate it when you easy can EQ them to your personal preference?

[@PassionforSound]

EQ is always a valid solution, but it does alter sound quality and also can't change things like internal reflections, resonance, etc. I'm not saying the modification is better, just that it will be addressing the sound quality differently because it won't be just cutting a specific frequency the way an EQ will

[@joshuabrain9751]

Went from HD800S to Focal Clear to HD800S again. I don’t think I could ever part with them again. With my Auralic Gemini 2000 amp and DAC they’re so 3D and the Timbre is incredibly natural I just love them. I do agree though that they’re not the most dynamic sounding headphones and the bass is it’s weakest point. For me personally though it doesn’t even bother me because of how 3D they are and because of how natural the timbre is.

[@PassionforSound]

That's great that you've found what you really like and stuck with it (second time around 😉). It can be easy to get swayed by all the chatter about the next best thing!

[@joshuabrain9751]

@@PassionforSound too true about that and I’ve been burned before on over hyped products by a certain website. Glad I never parted with the old Auralic cause I haven’t found anything better at its original RRP yet today.

[@melodygeeks3917]

bro is very simple: complex music-complex headphones. simple music- bass heavier headphones high layered music- high layered headphones. extremely simple music- bass heavy headphones. HD800S still the best headphones in the world for super complex music, sadly most "audiophiles" dont like-dont understand these type of music. Try listening a prokofiev piano concerto with any focal, meze, audeze horrible experience. With hifiman he1000, 1000se not bad, susvara very good. With HD800S the best on earth period. nothing wrong with the amazing hd800s, the problem is audiophiles music taste.

[@filovirus1]

perhaps Sennheiser tuners are classical music snobs?

[@PassionforSound]

Or maybe they just like it 😉

[@filovirus1]

@@PassionforSound jk :-)

[@shadouxg7150]

@@filovirus1 Hd 600 line- made by vocal lovers He 800- made by classical music lovers

[@bobhanuman65]

The clear has very little to do with the sennheiser. The focal house sound is dense and compact to my ears.

[@PassionforSound]

They were similarly priced headphones that many would consider as alternative options when first planning a purchase.

[@albeklik8055]

Have you question yourself about disconnecting the cables from the headphone maybe you don't know how😢

[@PassionforSound]

Nope, I'm removing the cables exactly as they're intended to be removed.

[@coardcreatif]

How would you spend your $5K in audio to cover your all listening needs?

[@PassionforSound]

Are you talking headphones AND speakers?

[@coardcreatif]

@@PassionforSound headphones purely

[@PassionforSound]

If you're not in a rush, I can make a video to answer that exact question. I had planned to start making this type of content already so I can leap frog your budget to the front of the queue if you like.

[@coardcreatif]

@@PassionforSound no rush, following you since beggining :)

[@coardcreatif]

@@PassionforSound I do really like the looks of Diana MR to be honest but after your video i have hesitation to pull the trigger. Even if sounds %10 better than my Arya i'm fine because of portability. Since i have iDSD Diablo and i'm out most of the time. But i don't know...

[@peterh6655]

Dude, so many ads - from KZbin but also from you. Hard to watch this with so many interruptions

[@PassionforSound]

Hi Peter, I've adjusted my little promo in the middle so it's super quick in future videos. Sadly, it's the only way to keep the channel viable is to remind people to subscribe, check out the links in the description, etc. As for the KZbin ads, that's controlled largely by KZbin and if you don't allow mid-roll ads, your videos don't get shown to people ☹️

[@KT88gs]

I dont follow you on this one,i own the HD 800S and the HDV 820 amp,and my sound is very smooth with deep bass and the highs are super smooth,i only listen to music with this head-fi gear,this headphone is a true audiophile product so dont use cheap gear arround it,that is to say source,cables,amp ect...,i spend over 12.000 Dollar on Nordost cables with leads up to super smooth -highs-not harsh or analitycal at all,the bass goes very deep,audiophile deep,not that boomy bass,no, tide and ultra fast low end,this headphone is like a Magico speaker,its about the truth.If you use cheap amps and cables for sure you end up with crap sound but if you spoil this headphone well you go to heaven and above.

[@PassionforSound]

I agree that the source chain matters a great deal - this is true for all high end headphones. It will also depend on the types of music you're listening to. The HD800S is very very good at what it does, but when I compared to other headphones across multiple genres, these were my findings.

[@KT88gs]

@@PassionforSound What gear did you use during this test?

[@PassionforSound]

I think at the time I had the Chord M-Scaler and TT2, Burson Soloist 3XP, Bottlehead Mainline, and Auris Audio Euterpe

[@DefiantAML]

And to make the HD800S better value, get the Drop version for $1100.

[@PassionforSound]

We need to hear it first to be sure of that

[@phillipnunya6793]

Still don't like that they make these out of plastic.

[@PassionforSound]

There are high quality plastics and low quality plastics. Thankfully, the HD800S use high quality plastics and they'd never be as lightweight with any other material except carbon fibre which is very expensive

[@phillipnunya6793]

@@PassionforSound Good point, but why is something made mostly of molded plastic so expensive? I doubt the driver is that hard to produce, test, and assemble. The price has not even gone down since release despite being significantly less competitive than they used to be.

[@PassionforSound]

You'd be surprised how much some plastics can cost (top quality plastics are VERY expensive). I don't know what exactly they're using, but it could be up there in price. Then there's the years or R&D that go into a product plus the fact that it's their flagship headphone so dropping price would only weaken their brand overall by pushing everything down.

[@phillipnunya6793]

@@PassionforSound I'm sure they have made their research costs back by now and then some. The last reason you gave seems the most likely to me though. Could be that the plastic they use is super expensive, but the thin and easily dented metal mesh they use makes me think it is more likely to reduce production cost.

[@PassionforSound]

I can't say for sure, but I do know that companies need to consider many factors with their pricing. Another one we haven't mentioned is that profits of existing products have to cover the time and expenses while designers come up with the next product too. I'm not trying to justify Sennheiser's pricing strategy because I don't know exactly what it is. Just trying to illustrate the types of factors that have to be considered.