How Chinzo and Lyoto Machida CHANGED KARATE

[@SenseiSeth]

If you enjoyed this, I hope you’ll give it a like and comment 🙏

[@v.rucciinkmusic8978]

You have both Machidas, so I'll give you a like and a coment. I'm Already subscribed so I think that's it. It would be great if you record some light sparring too. =]

[@SenseiSeth]

@@v.rucciinkmusic8978 I appreciate that!

[@JonathanSorenson204]

Loved it. I hope more traditional shotokan guys consider these changes.

[@jerichopagtama6771]

Been waiting for this

[@rubenrelvamoniz]

i shared the vid...does it mean i dont get kicked?

[@Tentacl]

Wow, a video with Lyoto Machida, cool. His family restaured a lot of trust in Karate here in Brazil too, even if we are really, really into BJJ.

[@SenseiSeth]

They’re doing awesome things for Karate!

[@harliiquinnstarlight]

Is he related to Royce Gracie. Because he looks kind of like Royce

[@Tentacl]

@@harliiquinnstarlight Not at all. Loyto is son os a japanese Karateka with a brazilian mother, Royce is son of a brazilian (from a scotish bloodline) man with a brazilian woman. Both Helio Gracie and Yoshizo Machida (Lioto's father) lived in Belém do Pará, a remarkable coincidence. Helio Gracie moved to Rio de Janeiro still a kid tough. Unrelated curiosity: I live in the same street Mitsuyo Maeda had hs gym in São Paulo once, back in 1914. It's no longer a Jiu Jitsu place tough, but there's still a landmark in his honor in the neighborhood.

[@harliiquinnstarlight]

@@Tentacl I'm trying to put together what you said and it's still kind of looks like Royce Gracie and this guy could be related.

[@Tentacl]

@@harliiquinnstarlight nope, diferent fathers, diferent mothers, no common family members. Only a small overlap living in the same city. And cmon, Lyoto looks japanese, Royce looks a very miscigenated brazilia.

[@hard2hurt]

What's really funny to me is whenever we get this stuff straight from the source how simple it is... generally the same shit the fanboys typically argue against.

[@SenseiSeth]

Yyyyyyyup

[@jansettler4828]

I haven't finished the video yet, but has either of you asked Lyoto to kick Sett's ass with ballet?

[@blockmasterscott]

That's a really good point.

[@hard2hurt]

@@jansettler4828 meta reference!

[@ThirdLawPair]

I really like the analogy of the pen too. I'd take the analogy one step farther and think of the katas as teaching someone to write with a pen but without any paper to write on. You could spend all this time moving the pen around in the air, but you need to connect the pen to paper in order to really learn how to write.

[@BirdmanDeuce26]

Jesse Enkamp's discovery that Shotokan Karate's wide/separated movements were for the purposes of demonstrating to large group of people from a very far distance was a revelation to me, personally. It's fascinating to watch here how the Machidas ended up reconstructing Karate's movements back in their own search for effectiveness.

[@FLAAAA862]

Interesting. Where did he say that?

[@shaolin1derpalm]

In one of his videos he talks about it.

[@BluDaimon]

What a stupd reason

[@cahallo5964]

Lyoto Machida is really awesome because he actually used CONSTANTLY the pulling hand properly, specially after takedowns.

[@SenseiSeth]

100%

[@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872]

Waw! Interesting! I would love to see that. I have seen a few Lyoto's fights but I do not remember seeing that pulling hand application. Could you please be so kind to tell me in which of his fights I can see that pulling hand? And maybe give us a link and a time stamp? Please and thank you.

[@cahallo5964]

@@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872 yeah let me uuh go to your home and write the link down for you too, don't even need to write your computer password man I'll just bypass it by flashbooting Mint or something, don't even open the door for me I'll just lockpit it. jk, I don't remember the specific fights I remember a video titled "karate takedowns in the UFC" or something, Lyoto appears several times there. Also I am pretty sure I can't link things in youtube anymore.

[@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872]

@@cahallo5964 Oh! Don't worry dude, Why would I bother you asking you to provide proof for your own claims when I can just alleviate you from that burden of proof to your own claims and go do a search for evidence by myself. Or maybe you demand that I should believe you without evidence. Ok, enough with the jokes. I'll take that clue you gave me and that will be enough. I will not return to put the link and time stamp here because, obviously, I am not here to supply evidence to YOUR own claims. Thank you for the clue, any ways.

[@K4Kezza]

@@juliocesarsalazargarcia6872 this was strangely aggressive

[@RedFoxGrappler]

It’s absolutely fuckin bonkers to think that the legendary Chinzo and Lyoto Machida know Seth’s outro

[@SenseiSeth]

Well I helped them a little lol

[@bernhardjordan9200]

Sensei Segall says the same. Sorry I couldn't miss the joke

[@ThirdLawPair]

This gives me a huge appreciation for the role of full-contact competition in martial arts. I do understand that without knives, nut shots, and eye gouges, the preferred stance might change considerably. But dudes who say stuff like "My style is too brutal to use in competition" or "competition is just a sport" don't understand how hard it is to develop effective technique without testing them against a truly combative opponent. Iron sharpens Iron.

[@carritohmc]

Not to mention that those competition only styles, even wrestling, boxing, Judo etc. still carry a lot of potential for effective violence in a street confrontation. Looking at it from a defensive, security, LE or military perspective, if I saw someone who had cauliflower ears, I have to acknowledge mentally that they are very good at a particular skillset that can create a lot of problems, I think people underestimate how effective those "sport" moves can be, I had a friend who single legged a cop in a club (he didn't know he was a cop at the time), and because of people running around, chairs, debris, etc. the cop's knee got dislocated, and he was basically on the ground from that one takedown, luckily the bouncers made space for him and got him out of there.

[@ThirdLawPair]

@@carritohmc wrestling is a great example. As a wrestler myself I can say that at least 95% of what you learn in wrestling is totally useless against a trained fighter. But that other 5% is a total game changer. What's more, that 5% is really hard to develop in the practice room. TMA guys who think they shouldn't adapt thier technique in any way are downright delusional.

[@TheNEOverse]

This is basically why Judo became superior to all other forms of Japanese Jujutsu, despite 'watering down' the martial art. Its too bad that its going a bit too far now, but still. The power of liveness and hard pressure testing is the key to practical martial arts.

[@AveSicarius]

The thing is that you can defend against all those "brutal" techniques with exactly the same methods. How do you defend against a knife? Try to block the forearms when they strike and try to maintain control of the hand while striking them if possible, but it's probably going to devolve to wrestling pretty quickly. Who do you defend against an eyepoke/gouge? Keep your head moving in between strike's (it's really hard to intentionally poke someone in the eye if they have their chin tucked, head down, and are moving properly) and don't allow yourself to get into a situation where your opponents finger's are in your eye while grappling. How do you defend groin strikes? For kicks you can check them, hook them, or blade your stance to protect yourself from it, for groin grabs while grappling you protect yourself as you would normally, by maintaining control of the opponents movement. A professional fighter is going to already have a great starting point in terms of defending against basically anything involving close combat and they can 100% throw lethal techniques if need be, after all submissions with follow through can cripple you, chokes can easily be used to crush your windpipe or just asphyxiate you, a lead straight can easily go to the throat if you lift the head up. The reason people make those assumptions about "x being too dangerous for competitive martial arts" concerning a style's practicality is because they don't actually understand the basic principles of fighting. A boxer is quite limited in terms of techniques, but they can still easily transition what they know into effective self-defence, such as using Boxing techniques with a knife, which is incredibly effective right out of the box. Meanwhile the Wing Chun guy claiming he can fight without ever actually testing it is going to be hard pressed with timing, conditioning, and fighting experience even if his technique is effective, which is debatable if you never test it.

[@AveSicarius]

@@TheNEOverse That's the balance, between keeping viable competition and creating a style that is only effective for the sport unless you heavily modify it. Traditional Boxing (which looked a lot like Traditional Karate) had weapons forms, grappling, kicks, elbows, etc, and when fighters competed, they often ended up seriously injured. So over time aspects were removed, though Boxing as a martial art still remained relatively effective with just fists (though not as effective) but after Marquess of Queensbury rules were introduced it became very different to bare-knuckle Boxing, and Boxer's have to actually relearn to properly form a fist due to constantly having the hands wrapped and gloved. It's why competitive MMA is currently going to best prepare you for actual fighting, because it's the closest thing to it with some form of safety and regulation. You can try techniques in an environment where they will be tested against live resisting opponents and see exactly what works against someone using almost everything. Hell some of the emerging MMA styles look very similar to old-school Martial Art's like Traditional Boxing (linear footwork and punches with a focus on defending from takedowns and fighting extensively from the clinch when need be).

[@Reithierion]

“The techniques of kata have their limits and were never intended to be used against an opponent in an arena or on a battlefield.” - Choki Motobu

[@dariuswilliams7509]

Always looked at kata like learning your ABCs you still gotta know how to form words, sentences, and hold a Convo. And in this case the convo is a fight

[@Ducky195]

@@dariuswilliams7509 best way I have heard that put

[@jacobharris954]

​@dariuswilliams7509 in American kenpo karate those ideas are called language of motion it explains the process of combat training

[@alessandrocattaneo4810]

Exactly. They're for civilian self dense, much like Krav Maga

[@takionjose6657]

It's just that most of the applications for the katas have been lost.. a lot of different kata techniques can actually be applied

[@camiloiribarren1450]

I know that Japanese karate does its best to teach the masses, but when it comes to Okinawan karate, the dojos are much smaller and the classes are no more than 10-13 students at most. So we, at least in Goju Ryu, get a more hands on and one-to-one teaching methods. It’s good to know the Machidas changed it for their benefit

[@peartree8338]

Jundokan or "the other one"? Training Goju-Ryu in the 90's was so weird.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

@@peartree8338 what is Jundokan? Is that an association? Because I know Meibukan, Shobukan and Goju-Kai associations for Goju Ryu

[@mitcdav]

@@camiloiribarren1450 Jundokan is a huge branch of Okinawan Goju Ryu.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

@@mitcdav got it. Thanks!!! 🤙🏼

[@SenseiSeth]

Smaller classes = better teaching

[@nicksayan8631]

Dang first we got Rryon Gracie now we got machida wouldn't be surprised if you collabed w/ chuck Norris next week lol

[@SenseiSeth]

Hahaha that’d be something

[@mouaragon2774]

Or Shogun Rua!!!

[@TheKyleMark]

@@SenseiSeth I actually might have a real flimsy connection to Chuck, in a friend of an acquaintance of a friend of a business associate kind of way. It’s a long shot but I’ll reach out. 😂

[@SenseiSeth]

Doooo itttt!! Dude I’d be so pumped

[@SenseiSeth]

If you get him to say yes email me! [e-mail]

[@ram_bam]

I miss seeing The Dragon in the octagon. He was sensational to watch. In his prime, the way he moved in and out, his timing, and the devastating precision of his striking was second to none.

[@MrCageCat]

Sensei Seth on the outside: "Mmhmm, mmhmm, yeah, mmhmm, yeah, sure, mmhmm." Sensei Seth on the inside: "OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!"

[@hard2hurt]

Hahahahaha 7:12 seth was about to say "yeah i totally do that"

[@SenseiSeth]

So, I cut out a bunch of me talking but I said “yea I USED TO” (they wouldn’t know any better if I did lol)

[@Jenjak]

Same here 8:25 "I totally do that too"

[@isaackulp2885]

It is really interesting to see a front kick done on a boxing mitt. It is amazing that he can hit at that angle without stubbing his toes. I always assumed that the kick went directly forward, but his went forward and a little bit up.

[@SenseiSeth]

Karate throws front kicks with the toes pulled back to the shin!

[@peartree8338]

Mae geri for the win! Yoko geri looks cooler though. Especially jodan 😄

[@_Egil]

The Karate variant is different from the Muay Thai teep, they're both amazing though

[@charles_pensamentocritico]

The way I learned it in Shotokan karate, this kick can be done either to the front with more "push" or upwards, more "snappy", this second variation is by far my favorite, it penetrates really well on the torso and it's really precise you can aim it at the opponent's chin.

[@amazed2341]

Ball of the foot, always

[@YoukaiSlayer12]

Adaptability is how karate developed & how it exists now, so it must continue to have a future. The niju kun precepts reference this at least 3 times: “Perform prescribed sets of techniques exactly; actual combat is another matter.” 2. “Karate is like boiling water; without heat, it returns to its tepid state.” & 3, especially, “Make adjustments according to your opponent.”

[@wildys6]

Just need to add wonderboy and jesse and we've got all the youtube-karate goodness on 1 screen

[@SenseiSeth]

Imagine!

[@rubenrelvamoniz]

fun fact at one point you actually had oliver enkamp(jesse´s brother) wonderboy and lyoto machida in the UFC. oliver & lyoto machida now compete in bellator

[@Ninjacob00]

The holy-trinity of karate and Seth’s the Pope

[@simoneriksson8329]

Ian Abernathy is great to! :)

[@enmanueltejeda2755]

Sickkk a collab with Lyoto Machida dude that’s great

[@SenseiSeth]

Was super fun

[@jahigains9201]

Lyoto's the closest thing we've got to a real life Ryu. Psyched you got him and his brother on the channel!

[@gmkgoat]

Curious, Seth. How has your time learning with all these other martial artists through YT changed the way you teach Karate?

[@SenseiSeth]

I don’t teach a lot of what I used to

[@cortezfilms8511]

@@SenseiSeth that's dope man. it shows your improving.

[@weekendadventurer250]

@@SenseiSeth you know that could be a good video idea 💡

[@PanicMachine423]

Yes please

[@bat0s4i]

Holy shit. Machida? Tá ficando importante hein Seth.

[@jotapedonoso4696]

Wonderboy, now Lyoto, what's next, GSP? You're about to to have collabs with all UFC karate legends

[@SenseiSeth]

I just like karate! Lol

[@rhinobridge]

@@SenseiSeth next legend shoul be Master Ken from Ameridote

[@derekvandenburg6689]

Don't forget collaborations with icy Mike. Legends are Legends.....

[@psychedashell]

Sebastian Rutten! He be a great interview.

[@MrDraquo]

@@SenseiSeth GSP would be awesome. But you might want to wait until Spring, because Canada is freaking cold this time of year 😁👍!!!

[@bisiart]

ive been waiting for this video for so long! as a black belt in shotokan i feel these exact same disadvantages machida-sensei explained and i'm so damn glad this is finally being addressed by shotokan practicioners! is machida karate the future of our art? i guess only time will tell! but we should 100% use what they can teach us! wish there was a machida dojo here in my city - you'd think they'd be common here in Brazil, but thats not the case, unfortunately come to brazil lol

[@sassuki]

There are no disadvantages. The techniques were not ment for defence. Being called "Uke" is totally misleading. They are elbow and neck breaking techniques, thus MUST be wide.

[@dylan_krishna_777]

​​​@@sassukiwith only techniques you cant win man, combat have to many variables! Machida Karate is the best or one of the best karate fighting system out ,there even some ground fighting/ escapes as well!! To many karate schools follow the same path as there teachers and the most karate students without cross training will face big troubles against a technical fighter .

[@sassuki]

@@dylan_krishna_777 I don't agree. There is no such thing as a "technical" fighter on the street. Thugs are stupid. You beat the hell out of them without ever practicing for competition! All you need is proper kata bunkaï training. And that's where I agree, many dojos are lacking! many copy the stupid beginner bunkaï shown in Nakayama's books, and never go to the next level (which involves as said breaking elbows, joint locking, throwing, etc.)

[@dylan_krishna_777]

@@sassuki respect Osu🙏🥋🇯🇵

[@amazed2341]

This reminds me a lot of my kyokushin dojo, we do Kata and presentation techniques, with the long exaggerated movements, all in a row, and then with pad work and sparring it looks more like the Lyoto Machida style shown here. We’ll typically do a couple of sets in the presentation style, and then we do it in a more combat style with a higher guard and a less exaggerated moves

[@user-ko3sd9qj2h]

@Faroe why not do kata? There's as much reason for as there is against. People argue about the practicality of kata in a fight when they were designed to hold the essence of the style itself. The basic techniques and footwork. And through repetition they are used to build up muscle and strength as well as familiarity. Are they going to make you a God of fighting? Probably not, but really it's not the kata's job to apply the techniques. It's the karateka's. In kyokushin we definitely train to fight differently than we move in our Kata. The kata are there to ground us in a foundation and to keep us to the essence of karate. Which is to better ourselves through dedication. That's the purpose of kyokushin karate at the very least, to become a better person through adversity and dedication.

[@Burner-ui2fb]

⁠@@user-ko3sd9qj2has someone who practices and has knowledge of karate what from of karate do you recommend would be the best to mix with kickboxing?

[@Burner-ui2fb]

Form*

[@dsiahaan2002]

Only a few minutes watched this and it's change the way I practice. I wonder how awesome it is if I was younger and train with these two legends.

[@vanoscrap6296]

are we gonna get to see you sparring with these legends? O_o

[@SenseiSeth]

I choose life

[@CoachKyleZ]

@@SenseiSeth but... content. Haha

[@thesadanimations]

Saw the instagram poll, 100% this was the better choice of thumbnail 👍

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks!!

[@VNSnake1999]

Great video with the legend himself. Would you travel to Okinawa to train and make videos there in the future?

[@SenseiSeth]

1000%

[@dennicortes5888]

I would go to say hi to Mr miyagi 🤣

[@ken2000X]

@@SenseiSeth if you do that, would you do a collaboration with the channel, Karate Dojo Waku? Yusuke could be your interpreter.

[@willowelizabethryder4141]

Very cool video! I love seeing how certain arts adapt to fighting against other martial styles.

[@SenseiSeth]

Super necessary

[@renanviniciusalvesramalho2309]

adaptability is part of the Brazilian mindset in martial art. what machida does with karate the Gracie did with judo

[@SenseiSeth]

Hmm

[@ola_eboda]

Dude they didn’t do anything to Jiu Jitsu look up Kosen judo

[@kingartifex]

and judo did the same from japanese ju jitsu. But when a non-japanese country modifies/adapts things, many people cry BuT iTs nOt TraDItiOn

[@renanviniciusalvesramalho2309]

@@ola_eboda the judo I had access to was what is practiced in the olympics. however, even so, I have no problem saying that BJJ didn't create something, he just proposed a new approach to Japanese techniques. the controversy over this is pointless. BJJ didn't invent everything, but he didn't invent anything either. things change, that's good.

[@renanviniciusalvesramalho2309]

@@kingartifex Yes. Jigoro Kano's Judo is a modern invention

[@brianjonesy88]

I LOVE this! I don't practice Karate (Wing Chun practitioner), but I love this idea of using the techniques and training them as if you were in a real life situation. My Sifu trains us the applications of our techniques the same way, framed up in a boxing stance.

[@garymasterson1174]

Excellent video and thank you. The comments below about Japanese (training the masses the basics) V's Okinawan (individualised training with a greater emphasis on self defence) karate are absolutely spot on. "Classical" karate has a habit of getting stuck in a holy historical time bubble in which evolution is frowned upon. Time to waken up and move forward. The Machidas' approach is a step in the right direction.

[@stevenfox9695]

Great stuff! I love seeing practical adaptations of Karate. A lot of instructors over-fixate on the hikite and it's use, but like every technique it's a tool. Sometimes it's the right tool for the job and sometimes it isn't.

[@jonathansmith9291]

This makes me wonder, as Karate falls more and more out of favor while styles like BJJ gain more popularity and therefore more bullshittery, is there a window for Karate to get back to its roots as a practical and effective form of self defense and unarmed combat?

[@natashanicole7408]

I believe that this is possible - especially sport bjj which keeps getting more and more crazy in terms of popular techniques and the rigid rule set (slams come to mind but there are many). Bjj has never been that amazing for self defence anyway tbh No hate though, I’ve been involved in bjj since 2010 and love it

[@midshipman8654]

but does it loose some aspects of “karateness” ? at what point does a martial art adopt other martial arts so much that its indistinguishable from, and is just, “mixed martial arts” by another name. I mean, if the central maxim is “self defense” the term Karate itself could be said to just be window dressing. just a thought.

[@Marveryn]

@@natashanicole7408 as far as self defense wrestling may actually be better only in the fact that it teach quick take down and mount and avoiding take downs add boxing and that normally good enough for most self defense situation. (i am assuming in self defense your dealing with some drunk that don't know when to go away) the main issue with bjj will always be that it require you to take someone down and move your body into a favorable position to apply a choke or other submission move. That fine in one on one in the open space area where they nothing to interfere. But self defense can happen anywhere at anytime. Which mean sometimes the best responce is quick punch and avoid being put to the ground.

[@Randi-h5q]

I think it helps to understand the origins of the different modern Karate styles and what they were intended for. Ashihara karate covers many points covered in this video too but with more fluidity in the motion, as it is a style geared heavily towards street fighting rather than as an exercise or cultural enrichment. Either way, Karate has a huge umbrella of styles under it and one has to find one that works for one's goals.

[@langsnek07]

Bjj is more sport than self defense now with some exceptions I would be willing to learn from it as other martial arts and combat sports but a can't afford it and b have no interest in it as a sport except to help improve the martial art I would prefer Dan zan jujitsu over bjj or practice hakko Ryu jujitsu for personal development some bjj instructors buy into the hype and are arrogant and in it for the money

[@MajesticDemonLord]

This is so awesome they joined you! Also Lyoto's strikes really slap even though you can tell he's not loading them up with power, Scary!

[@c99kfm]

What I was taught, was that the large, rigid movements were learning structures to teach yourself which parts of your body should be going where. For the simple punch, how not only your hands should be moving but also your torso and your hips should be twisting. During sparring, we were taught how to exploit those large, rigid movements, and how to adapt them to avoid exploitation. The idea was to use those large, rigid movements to learn how to move the body, which directions force was supposed to be applied, then once you were confident in that part, minimize all movements as much as possible, while retaining the biomechanical basics of the larger movements.

[@wwewrestlingbd8151]

Nice

[@dbuck1964]

You were taught correctly.

[@sassuki]

That's bullshit, unfortunately. The wide movements are wide (and MUST be wide!) because they are not blocks, but arm breaking techniques. You can't break the elbow of your opponent if you do a small technique. And the hikite must be by the hip, because you're pulling the hand of your opponent while breaking his elbow with your other arm. I find it frustrating that the Machida don't seem to know this, or at least did not communicate this in this video. They seem to be stuck in the "Uke" mentality that was propagated by the JKA.

[@wwewrestlingbd8151]

@@sassuki whats your org

[@sassuki]

@@wwewrestlingbd8151 in the JKA, but I wasn't taught this in the JKA. JKA is more sports karate than they would like to admit. If you wanna learn the real meaning of the techniques, try to attend a seminar by Sensei Ian Abernethy (Wado-Ryu practitioner)

[@michaelthompson3284]

Great video Sensei! Feel lucky that I've learned a lot from all three of the guys in this video. Was cool getting to meet you in person at the seminar!

[@SenseiSeth]

Great meeting you too Michael!

[@MasakiChamploo]

Bogu really needs to be taught again. My dad was the same way he didn't like how some of the kata was taught, and made adjustments. It led to people in Okinawa fearing his dojo and students if they entered a tournament.

[@joshnixon2370]

A bunch of the instructors in our region have made a lot of effort to ensure that our students understand the difference between traditional training and it's purpose, and how to use the principles effectively. Lots of active partner work, lots of pad drills with a focus on how you react to someone wailing on you (heavy inspiration from Iain Abernathy), or situations you'd encounter in a fight - consensual or otherwise. And for me personally, teaching the higher belts how to refine everything to make it more biomechanically efficient and conserve energy. This video was a joy to watch, can't wait for the post seminar video!

[@jurhyify]

I think machida karate should spread and become somewhat of its own art like Gracie jui jitsu did. It’s beyond amazing how he made karate work in the most competitive fighting organization in the world, especially in a time where the light heavyweight was stacked with competition. lyoto was a monster.

[@shamgar86]

Man, really proud of you Seth. What a cool video opportunity! The content is great, man. Keep it up!

[@MinhaFamiliaAQBJJ]

This is insane. Wow. Congrats Seth!! I would have been star struck the whole time. Lyoto is a legend

[@BD90..]

It is frowned upon because the teacher doesn't want to accept he still needs to learn.

[@chrishansen9379]

I’d be interested in your thoughts on this, regarding the pulling the hand to the hip thing: It was explained to me that in karate both hands should be active. When you pull a hand to the hip it should generally be holding a part of the opponent’s anatomy. Pulling an empty hand to the hip is a misunderstanding of the concept.

[@666Havers]

100 % dead right. Ceasing a limb in karate olden days of close quarters self defense.

[@TheNEOverse]

For MMA, hand to hip could be justified as takedown defence- keeping your hand there ready to get underhooks.

[@BWater-yq3jx]

When you see karate as incorporating (stand-up) grappling, a lot of aspects make more sense, particularly in kata.

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

@@TheNEOverse Actually, you do see that technique in MMA. In ground and pound, which should tell us, what it was supposed to do originally.

[@VandersonPacheco]

Good information for Karate pratictioners. Thanks for it sentei Seth. Hugs from a Brazilian jiujitsuka. OSS!

[@guilhermeptp3954]

It’s good to see Lyoto and his family using the ideias of traditional karate with a more modern approach. Experience, open-mind, and hard work for karate. They deserve all credit. I have the opportunity to see Chinzo fight and he’s a beast! But here in Brazil we also have a good tradition of good karatekas, as i mention in other comment, Glaube Feitosa and Francisco Filho from the Kyokushin style are good examples too. Of course BJJ are very popular, but there other styles of fight growing here.

[@jackspratny99]

Wow! How awesome to have them with you Sensei Seth. Congratulations!

[@narcseven4213]

Wow, when is your content got this good ?! 🥇

[@SenseiSeth]

Always!

[@lordvoldemort3209]

@@SenseiSeth lie 😅

[@synadenium]

aagor sim sensei! Ja botava mó fé no seu trampo, mas agora que o samurai do agreste tá aqui, ja virou o canal n°1 (gringo) de artes marciais! Muito sucesso pra você!

[@jimslim2831]

One thing I’ve noticed with a well seasoned Karateka who has taken up other martial arts, their style naturally evolves into what Lyoto and Chinzo were demonstrating. You don’t abandon what you know when you change discipline, but you also don’t stringently hold onto it either. Kyoto’s style and examples look normal to me

[@great4061]

You find the mistakes and then develop solutions, the solution is still karate though

[@TheNEOverse]

Depends. Some guys become a lot more kickboxing based while others retain a 'sport karate' sort of style. All depends on the individual preference- movement and counters doesn't suit everyone.

[@AveSicarius]

@@TheNEOverse I think that's really dependent on what they are training and if they are competing in full-contact sports moreso than anything. There are only so many ways to utilize the human body for a certain task, and there's usually an optimal way of doing so, and this also varies dependent on the fighters build (e.g. a smaller fighter is going to want to get in close and negate range if they can so infighting is more common with guys like Mike Tyson or Mike Zambidis). Once you involve takedowns and leg kicks it gets difficult to use footwork in the same way and you tend to see fighters sink down more rather than remain light on their feet. If you compare Wonderboy to Lyoto, the former tends to be taken down more because he hasn't fully adapted his style for wrestling yet, whilst Lyoto had monstrous takedown defense in his prime and was a more "in your face" type of striker.

[@AveSicarius]

There's an optimal way to do anything with the human body, Traditional Boxing (which included kicks, grappling, and weapons) looked a lot like Traditional Karate too. They were both close range striking and grappling hybrid's, and old-school Karate has many offensive and defensive takedown techniques. Most striking styles look very similar when you go full contact for a reason, the difference is usually fighter preference and ability moreso than anything. Kyokushin and Muay Thai evolved to a similar point, as did Shotokan Karate and Savate.

[@TheNEOverse]

@@AveSicarius Lyoto Machida was very much a 'dance away Karate fairy' in his prime. Very much running around, then lancing people on his left gyakutzuki. When he was in your face, that was mainly to finish fights. But otherwise he was very movement based and not at all in your face. His footwork and long distance made wrestling shots very hard to pull off on him. And he was in fact a capable wrestler himself- he won the Brazilian Sumo Championship after all. He has monstrous takedown defence because he has a wrestling background of his own, coupled with the natural point karate strategy of moving around. Savate does not have the same stance as Karate at all. Guys from that fight with a much more narrow stance and although they do have a familiar bend towards movement and snappier kicks, they box in combination in a way that Shotokan karate straight up discourages. A better comparison would be something like TKD and Shotokan. Similar side on stance. Martial arts do end up looking similar, but there's enough variance to say that you do have a couple of different approaches. And if you are familiar enough with different styles, it is possible to pick out differences.

[@ltvprmnms]

Bro, this is worth gold. You have, in a little nine minutes video, set an enormously transcendent step for karate learning, teaching, believing and for its future itself. This is already part of an enormous new beginning for karate. Good job. Thank you. 🙏

[@makaiev]

Wow! This is S Tier content👏🏾 Its so amazing see those two Badasses saying "we felt on disadvantage" like, bro thats a wake up call. Also Brasil always had a lot of fighting going on, urban violence kinda mix with what you guys call "the Latino 'machismo'" So it's more like skirmishes than brawls most of the time.

[@SenseiSeth]

Right??

[@makaiev]

@@SenseiSeth Yeah, for real!

[@bisiart]

karatê dos machida tá fazendo falta nesse país 😅

[@jonnymoses9691]

The Machidas. Hot damn Seth! Well done sir. Your channel is getting better and better all the time. As you know yourself, what they are have been doing for some time makes absolute sense regarding developing a legit functional form of karate. Just wish some of the old school would catch up. Respect from a longtime Shotokan, thai boxer and mma practitioner. J

[@leonardobleda6699]

I don't know, but somehow, the way they train Machida Karate Style reminds me a bit of kickboxing

[@SenseiSeth]

I mean, they are kicking AND punching lol

[@seilaoquemvc2]

I mean.... when you start pressure testing any striking style, it becomes similar to kickboxing.....

[@TheRasengan300]

@@seilaoquemvc2 I mean in some pretty broad ways, yes. That's not only because of certain basic rules to pressure tested striking but also due to being in a modernised globalised world where there's more awareness of the utility of kb and boxing and taking from other arts. With that said even amoung styles that identify as kb styles there is quite a bit of variation. The machidas have "kickboxingafied" their already modified shotokan (I. E. Machida Karate) whilst still retaining a shotokan karate flavour. So personally it still looks distinct from, say, k1 or even old school above the waist American karate influenced kb in its stance and other aspects.

[@seilaoquemvc2]

@@TheRasengan300 yes absolutely still different, but it’s only natural that pressure tested striking starts developing very similar techniques no matter where they come from

[@santiagoj9042]

Kickboxing is a competition format, not a style.

[@Gyrodyssey]

Fantastic Video Sensei Seth! It's so awesome you made a video with Lyoto Machida!

[@Lavarpsu10]

Man, I needed this video 15 years ago when I was floundering in a karate style that hadn't adapted. The Machida approach to modifying Shotokan is great, and I love seeing the proof in competition!

[@sassuki]

And it should not adapt, because karate is not a sport. You don't have time to block in the typical close range street fight. You grab the arm of the opponent with the hikite and break it with a wide motion with the so called "Uke" that is actually not an Uke!!

[@gonzagalaw]

*Bows deeply* you just leveled up having the Machida brothers on. Respect.

[@SeanWinters]

You should definitely do a skit with Judo, BJJ, Sambo, and the relatively new "Japanese Jiu Jitsu" or JJIF which allows kicks and punches until grappling starts. That's the whole family, and maybe you can include uncle Sumo!

[@jansettler4828]

In german JJ it has been that way since the 60s

[@SeanWinters]

@@jansettler4828 Maybe so, this sport really hasn't gained any popularity in the US at all, since by now it's just clothed MMA (minus knees and elbows). So for whatever reason, it's not popular here.

[@jacksregret1596]

This is quite possibly my favorite video of yours I have seen to date. Keep up the awesome work.

[@riskybitness]

Crazy, I was literally just thinking about this yesterday. There's a lot of cool stuff in Karate, but clinging to tradition and refusing to innovate means getting left behind as teh world of Martial arts changes. I was thinking about karate techniques and how you could make those applicable to a world where combat sports are popular and common?

[@sassuki]

Because karate is not about combat sports, but self defence. This video is totally misleading.

[@OkurkaBinLadin]

@@sassuki Your arogance is misleading. You are talking about self defense, yet keep using once learned moves in completely ineffective way. Just because you were told to.

[@HypnoDaddy]

This is very important and practical information.

[@brunoleandro4512]

Omg i'm from Brasil, never imagined that you would do a video with lyoto, thats awesome, you're a great martial artist!!!

[@Akil_at_Will]

This is the full contact Shotokan karate Ive been doing since a kid. I wouldnt say they at all changed it or evolved it but they finally figured it out. Great for them. And thank you to them for demonstrating karate in the UFC Ous

[@LeOrioN7]

Good idea - bringing the best of the best of martial arts. These might be my favourite videos

[@neonblack211]

Watching machida kick and punch those mitts was glorious thanks for that

[@ericrecano8557]

True Karate has always been an effective Martial Art- the Machidas adapted and improved it to make it applicable to modern MMA-great vid!

[@jarekkorytkowski6402]

How isn’t this video in the million views 😂 🙌🏼 Great video, happy to find it!

[@INDAMOMENTFilms]

I like it when sensei Seth is constantly making videos just around the corner, I'm loving it.

[@jamesodwyer4181]

It's reassuring to see this level of critical thinking applied to a traditional martial art. Fantastic video, and awesome to see you collab with the Machida brothers

[@waterlegend72]

Seth you gotta do it You gotta bring the 2 most important Karate people in the world together.... We need a video of Wonderboy sparring Lyoto Machida

[@Docinaplane]

Really enjoyed this! Thx! One of the worst habits I made was doing hikite countless times in traditional karate training.

[@watchmanofyah0324]

Finally!! Been waiting for this video since i saw u at their dojo in Instagram

[@SenseiSeth]

Hope you enjoyed it!!

[@watchmanofyah0324]

@@SenseiSeth I did! Shared the video to some of my students & on fb & Instagram already lol. Wish I would've known u were in town would've love to said OSS & train with yall. Keep up all the great work brother! Always look forward to ur videos

[@loganpreteroti4409]

Woah. These guys are my sensei and I didn’t expect to see them on my KZbin feed

[@GustTerra]

Os Machida são um grande de orgulho para toda comunidade do Karate ao redor do mundo!

[@bostoys]

badass dude, this must have been a surreal experience being on the mat with a legend.

[@jnhzrk6841]

Very cool that you got to work with them

[@Schwartzbruder1]

Wow. Congratulations on the collab dude

[@WolframtheBlessed3499]

Machida brothers are GENIUSES!! There revolution of karate is amazing

[@macacofrito]

hey 3 of my favorite karate fighters in the same video, greetings from Brasil sensei seth, great content, OSU

[@kungfuman82]

You know you’re moving up in the karate world when you get to do a video like this.

[@mikehrt]

Congrats on meeting the Machidas!

[@philipschinetsky]

Fantastic video man. You got me dying to get back into martial arts

[@BACKWOODBRAD]

THIS WAS DOPE BRO BRO!!!!!!

[@jamestaylor7238]

This is awesome!!!! I train shotokan and just got my Nidan (2nd deg) we train traditional aswell as some modern parts, there is always room to train the traditional way aswell as more modern techniques. Keep up the good work mate..

[@mattmcahhwhy8937]

Holy cow Seth! You’ve been training with some legends! Stephen Thompson, Ryron Gracie, Lyoto Machida, Icy Mike. You are amazing!!!

[@makenjikarate]

Now this is a good mix of sport and practical karate coming together and it's beautiful, great video with absolute legends

[@jeremykiahsobyk102]

Chinzo and Lyoto have been my karate heroes for a long while. And now they're on with one of my favorite KZbinrs. :) It's a good day. NO CAN DEFEND!

[@FistLaw7077]

This is the same thing we have done with are Kenpo here in California for years. Good to see others doing it also.

[@milamotik3236]

Oss sensei Seth. The Machida's were the very 1st place I learnt Karate (for 3 months before I had to move from LA). I moved back to my country (Indonesia) and sadly the Karate here is very far from evolved. Luckily I met my sensei who's on the same page with these guys and we're currently developing hybrid Karate as well whilst still keeping the traditional kihon and katas alive. I watch your vids for references and inspiration so thank you for your posts. Wish us luck!! Oss

[@irishninja9857]

What an honor! Those dudes are both national treasures.

[@horaceholloway]

Man, I so wish I was out in Cali so I could train at the Machida Academy full time. That's the karate of my dreams!

[@carllubrin8518]

Damn you lucky bugger sensei Seth his one of my favourite mma fighters of all time this is an awesome video

[@Ry-bo9hi]

this is nice, from wholesome beginnings to a checkmark karatetuber filming with absolute legends

[@SDCB754]

Lyoto Machida is an absolute legend. I'm glad he's passing on his knowledge :). It must have been so cool to meet him and attend one his seminars :)

[@lilith4961]

This guys are so cool! They are doing a great service to karate

[@MachidaAcademy]

Great day!! Thank you 🙏

[@austinmuellermartialartist2122]

Loved this 👌💪 we need more videos like this explaining how traditional martial arts is good if you can make it work for you.

[@MisterHui]

Good on you Seth, nice vid.

[@chesstictacs3107]

Lyoto’s English has gotten considerably better 👏🏻 well done, great fighter!

[@aggelossiskakis2849]

It's not about to make karate work but it's to make yourself to know how to fight with the original karate techniques

[@karateka2079]

TOO MUCH AMAZING WOW LYOTO CHINZO AND SENSEI SETH !!!!!! FANTASTIC JOB OSU