Home Lab Build - P.1 - Building a NAS

[@UnusGiannis]

Software and hardware. This channel cannot get better.

[@GJ-bq9hd]

I can just imagine how good it'll be for your workflow to finally have a centralized powerful machine to host (and in the future, analyse) the mountain of data that your projects have. Looking foward to the build and the awesome projects that'll come along with it!

[@brianwest7344]

the biggest cost to me would be the 400k needed to buy a house big enough to fit a rack and not be close enough to suffer the noise.

[@sentdex]

To be honest, the server rack saves space, not the opposite, because it allows you to stack up all your machines in the same spot. Certainly no reason to need a $400K house. For noise, this is why I have custom-built the NAS and all the other machines going in here. The entire video audio was recorded with the server and all my machines on. I just take care to address the noise and have customized the rack to be quiet since this is what I want. If you're trying to squeeze as much stuff in there, that's where you get locked into small-but-high-airflow fans that make lots of noise.

[@cqwickedwake7651]

​@@sentdex yeah but his plint is, you need a house or big enough apartment for an extra room just to fit a 42U rack fam

[@warrenwilcock8183]

Where can I find a big $400k house??

[@DhanOS_]

I never thought we'll be ever talking about the racks and stuff related to them. 😀 Sentdex indeed was like "I don't need this stuff" when I bought my rack and did show him some of the gear I already had. Then, I'm not sure what has happened, but things escalated quickly ❤ Welcome to the homelab family 🥰

[@StackableOlive]

I have that exact case in my rack. The built in fans are surprisingly quiet. I'm running 2 minecraft servers, 1 ark survival evolved server, a SMB share, plex, and it runs a windows VM for remote gaming. It got hand me down parts so it's got a Ryzen 9 3900x, RTX 3060, and 4 of the hotswap bays have 6 TB drives. I plan to upgrade to all 12 eventually. The Noctua NH-D15S is just a little too tall for the case but if you're ok flexing the sheet metal on the top cover it fits. It runs quieter than the compressor for the refrigerator in the same room so I'm very happy with it.

[@RIPPEDDRAGON40k]

I bought that exact rack almost a decade ago. It works great, love it.

[@jimmiemunyi]

I always learn something new everytime you post. Now I'm off going to google what a NAS is and why I'd need it

[@ltborg]

The PDU’s are rated at the actual load they can deliver. National electric code standards for the US are to derate the components 80%. 30 amps run at 80% is 24 amps, hence why everything is listed as 24. Annoying, but that’s the way it is. In some other countries, breakers are listed at actual load and you get 16 in place of 20 and 24 in place of 30. Awesome videos in this series BTW. Really helping with my own buildout.

[@luigigaminglp]

Purchasing a psu that's rated for more than you need is pretty much best practice. Because that psu is a lot more efficient at lower wattages than the "to spec" one.

[@galaxyblade_]

NAS is Network Attached Storage not Network Area Storage, btw.

[@MaxWattage]

Once it is full of PCs, you will find that you basically built a 7.2KW heater for your office. That's going to be one toasty hot office space this summer. You may well discover that you need a fully-enclosed rack with forced air cooling, feeding to an external wall vent, just to make the rack compatible with an office environment. I wish you luck.

[@sentdex]

Besides the NAS, which isn't very hot, I plan to put in my pre-existing workstations, which are already all in the space I'm in. Can confirm we're in middle of a heat wave and my space is very comfy 😄 ... my electric bill on the other hand....

[@Phantomist96]

Really appreciated the time/quality you put into making this

[@TheBenSanders]

Glad KZbin recommended me this video. I was actually looking at that same Rosewell case for a potential server build and that same rack as well.

[@JohannVF]

Build an Anton-type home server, just like in Silicon Valley. Milk crates as racks!

[@octaveanaugustus307]

At first you had me a little concerned with the cable management (SATA cables I'm looking at you) but you pulled it off (that's what she said) at the end. Great video cheers mate!

[@Mr8perezm]

I started watching this video thinking oh geez, another geek guzzling precious kilowatts of electricity per minute to run something which can be done on a modern desktop office PC. Then I remembered you were AI GTA guy, I'd watched some of your videos a year ago, they are super impressive and leading edge. Your rack build is totally justified, thank you for sharing your journey.

[@ColinBroderickMaths]

Something to think about re. PSUs: a significantly overpowered PSU won't be anywhere near it's ideal operating range so you'll end up burning considerably more power than necessary.

[@TehBey]

putting the mobo back on top of the plastic foil, it was in, is a risky move ^^

[@sentdex]

Living on the edge

[@ikkuranus]

I had a chance to get a rack several years ago for cheap but missed out due to not having a way to transport it. For the price you paid for that crappy sata expander you could have bought an lsi sas2 card with 2ports which breaks out to 8 drives.

[@hanes2]

I always go beefier cooling and power rail than I need because then it the fans never spins up on the GPU or PSU etc

[@chromerims]

Cool video 👍 I like the build. Great channel. There are alt. storage strategies too with an useful mix of both 'hot' storage (i.e. one's ongoing projects via nand and 10Gbe) and 'warm/cold' storage (stuff you touch less often via hdds and simply offline). Eventually I realized it is not feasible to keep all data spinning and live; for me, some data could be off-lined. Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.

[@nevin3543]

Great video, can't wait to see how the home lab turns out

[@marekklucka4407]

That rack is now double the price. It's funny that I always miss these possibilities :D

[@mpumi1024]

You are living the dream

[@OfficialMikeJ]

To Correct your Mispronunciation of NAS it's actually ""Network Attached storage"". Not ""Network Area Storage""

[@maxime_vhw]

Turn the pdu arround. Will be easier to reach later to (un)plug stuff when its full of equipment

[@sentdex]

If its not clear, there are plugs on both sides. At the moment I find it easiest to plug/unplug from this side since that top area is pretty open due to just switches being in the front

[@muhdbunahmad]

Is Network-attached storage (NAS) not network area storage.

[@ChaiTimeDataScience]

As someone who's been watching your videos from the days when GTA V would freeze while running due to hardware limitations-I'm so excited to see what the home lab project will evolve into! On another note, Harrison's decision is tempting me to create a home chai cloud for my work too 🙏😄

[@sentdex]

Do it! Even just the NAS has been a massive help/upgrade for video editing/content creation.

[@ManofCulture]

This makes my software turn into hardware.

[@augustinemunene3469]

You always give me a chance to keep moving forward. Interesting 😊😊Incredible am just fun and wish we will get where you are. Content is always 🔥🔥

[@irrision]

24a is the most you'll get for an input rating on a 30a PDU that's actually made by a legit company. There's a requirement that you de-rate to 80% of max draw on power taps in the US. This is so surge draws don't exceed the safe limit of the wiring.

[@gn7026]

Well done! Now you can get a DGX A100 server ;-)

[@xore_1798]

recently found your channel. very inspiring!

[@saulo2264]

More ram for that ZFS NAS. It really benefits reads

[@Jacobcarcerano]

Dude that's the rack I got yea super good rack!

[@ratchet1freak]

no UPS yet? or do you trust your local powergrid that much?

[@shaunmoneil]

For your PDU capacity, the term to lookup is "de-rating". 20% is the rule of thumb we use, and 24A is 80% of 30A so I suspect this isn't a coincidence. Google can probably explain better than I can, the gist of it is that you're not supposed to max out a circuit. So if your wall is good for 30A, you should be aiming to max at 24A and leave that 20% headroom as a safety margin. Your PDU vendor can probably tell you for sure, but I suspect what you have is a 30A PDU that's de-rated to 24, instead of them telling you it's 30 but making you pinky-promise not to use 30.

[@sentdex]

Ah, great info, thank you. This certainly helps to explain why it was so darn hard to find anything rated @ 30amp.

[@dpacc88]

The only channel where screaming "what a rack" won't get you insulted looks from women.

[@danielndegwa7669]

Am requesting a hardware video. When you were explaining the motherboard part some word passed through me.

[@Veptis]

I kinda want to turn my old system into a NAS as well, but I am not in the place for going rack yet.

[@adempc]

Thanks.

[@tcgvsocg1458]

huge work

[@animalfort3183]

No key sheeesh lol awesome video @setdex :-D

[@tylersmith8662]

Did this man just call that Network Area Storage?

[@LucianoBradley12]

I love the NAS build, any chance you or anyone else might know of a white server case like the one you use?

[@drysteriag5750]

Such amazing work !!

[@ColinBroderickMaths]

I have a couple of rack-mount servers I bought recently, and will be buying a rack for them come payday, but I'm not really getting the best use out of them because they kinda need to be always-on but the power consumption makes me want to cry :'(

[@Apocalypsee07]

Again, great video :) I would have gone with RAID-Z2, but Z1 is fine too i guess :D

[@omidmamadi2540]

that's really cool

[@StenIsaksson]

The cache drive, is it SATA SSD? If it is, it will be a bottleneck since max speed of it is like 500 MB/s and the 10 GBit network can handle about 1.1 GB/s

[@nickpage221]

I have the 25U version of this rack, it was $247 when I bought it in 08/21 and iirc the 42U was much more at that time. I'm curious what depth you set it up for, I set mine for 35" because that was the deepest I could go and still fit a full-length shelf in. I installed a full-length shelf at the very top and bottom, they were from Rasing Electronics and were about $55 each on Ama (still available) and can be adjusted from 30-35" depth. I have seen your P2 video and the wood you put in the bottom, it was not a bad idea at all and because I know how that wood is resting in the bottom, the shelf would require a loss of space because you would be mounting it at U1. And although these shelves are steel, my top shelf has since started to sag in the middle slightly, not sure why because there's is not too much on it and the bottom one is still perfectly flat despite having 2 full desktops on it.

[@sander3236]

cool

[@xXWhatzUpH8erzXx]

Loved this video. I've been planning to build a rack soon for raw video storage. I haven't build a NAS myself, but I had a few questions (so take these with a grain of salt -- I'm more or less looking for someone who has a better understanding to enlighten me) * WIth 18TB drives, do you feel like this would expose you to some risk when a drive fails? To rebuild a new drive from the remaining 3, you'd be putting quite a bit of wear on the other 3 drives. I see how cost effective the 18TB drives are, but it makes me wonder if 10-12TB drives would be better fit. Of course you'd need more bays to hit the same capacity, however... * Is 10GbE necessary? The reason I ask is with, say RAID 10 (I know you didn't use that in this video), I think the theoretical max read speed is 4x a single drive's speed. It seems like 180MB/s is typical, so that would be just about 720MB/s max, which would fit within a 1GbE network. In that case, wouldn't the drives be a massive bottleneck, not the network? Again, loved this video. These were just questions that popped in my head while watching :)

[@sentdex]

ATM, I am seeing ~ 400MB/s transfer speeds, which is 3.2ish Gb. There are ways I could probably speed up the NAS even further, but right now with HDD those speeds are pretty solid. The NAS, however, is just 1 of a few machines that I am networking on the 10G switch. The other machines are NVMe storage and I didn't want to buy some 2.5GbE or 5 just for the NAS, and then my next best switch is 1GbE. My only fear right now is if 1 drive fails, sure the others in the same production batch are probably sus, so then maybe the strain of a rebuild would be risky. From what I can see/tell/find, however, the chances of any drive failing are small, and then failing during rebuild also small. Put together, yes there's a chance of some data loss. ...but there's also a chance of fire/flood/tornado...which I'd say is more likely to kill these drives that catastrophic failure within the drive itself. In *general* I think raidz1 for a vdev of 4 disks is perfectly fine for an *individual*. I am not so sure I'd say the same for enterprise, depending on what they're doing... but again for enterprise I am going to say really you need storage in 2 (or more) entirely separate physical locations. All that said, the beauty of all this is you can choose whatever level of protection you're most comfy with.

[@xXWhatzUpH8erzXx]

@@sentdex Yeah those are great points. I didn't even really consider NVMe's, that'll definitely take up some bandwidth! Yeah, and having two separate NAS is on a completely different budget. Thanks for the detailed response.

[@progressmunoriarwa9815]

What I really ask from you is to make a video about text data preprocessing.. Kindly asking... I'm sure most people would really really need it... Sorry I know it's related to this video 📹

[@karelsantana2729]

Excelent vídeo. I must say Im new on truenas but reading a lot to make my own. On truenas docs "hardware 2021 r2a.pdf" refered - The major restriction on CPU choice for a TrueNAS server is support for ECC RAM. Intel Core i5 and Core i7, as well as consumer Atom, do not support ECC functionality. - said that, I must ask why u choosen the i-5. And again great work.

[@SandLimoDan]

Hello, I added the PCIe SATA card you linked from your build as I've added 8 drives for pool storage. Question: Did you need to install drivers for the add-on PCIe card, or did TrueNAS install them during install? My TrueNAS doesn't detect the HDD's when plugged into the PCIe card. I installed TrueNAS 13.0-U2. Thanks!

[@malikonthesus]

hey, i was just wondering why you got such consumer gear, for example you could get a 10 gig card on ebay for less than half the price on amazon.

[@korrenkid]

Was there a reason for the lack of ECC? Besides this, cool built!

[@ColinBroderickMaths]

If you need perfect reliability like in a corporate environment, ECC makes sense. Otherwise, for most people, the cost isn't justified and the difference will never be noticed.

[@gorudonu]

@@ColinBroderickMaths I'm not sure. I'm also building a Nas but because of lack of ecc memory in my PC, I'll probably go with something different than ZFS

[@HecUnderscore]

@@gorudonu zfs doesnt require ecc ram

[@gorudonu]

@@HecUnderscore true, but it's good to have that

[@HecUnderscore]

@@gorudonu its good to have that for any filesystem, not just zfs

[@akshatsingh6036]

Hi please can u make a video on RL GAIL using CnnLstmPolicy with custom environment

[@ethanlee9633]

You never explained which file system protocol you will be using. NFS? SMB?

[@nibras-manna]

What's the idle power consumption for this NAS?

[@marsrobotcs]

Cool man!

[@camerongeorge4246]

Would this nas be able to handle running emby reasonably well to 5 users?

[@techwithanirudh]

Wow! Cool!

[@raymondodamo8690]

Hey dude, can you do the tutorial on audio recognition and fingerprint something like shazam tutorial

[@liiilliil3297]

This is for hpc/ machine learning / deep learning?

[@nnpy]

As usual...lovely...😍

[@sleepy_dobe]

No way this server rack is going to be quieter than a typical NAS. I'm currently using an Asustor NAS and I cannot hear its fan even though the NAS is placed on my desk, less than two arm-lengths away from me. Even in the dead silence of the night when I'm the only one awake.

[@sentdex]

Sounds like you're trying to compare rack mount NAS units and desktop ones. Also probably 4 bay vs 12+. Happy for you to have found a quiet one, but rack mount NAS units are indeed quite loud. They sound like the audio of one I played :P If your NAS is truly dead silent though, that sounds... like it's maybe dead ;) or not actually being used, thus quiet. I want to be able to record straight to my NAS, and the sound of the NAS not come through in the recording. Good luck!

[@toto-valentin]

I sometimes think to myself how you met daniel or vice versa. Basically, where were you able to find someone to code with and work on great projects together with while sharing the same vision.

[@sentdex]

Daniel came around during the original Python Plays GTA V stream. Think he saw one of the news articles about it. From here he started doing small script work for stuff on the stream, then started doing some mods and more advanced stuff. One thing lead to another and now he works with me full time.

[@realmarioawe]

fwiw, I got the same case ~1 year and a half ago and it did come with a set of keys, might want to contact them for a set, if possible

[@biggig8548]

Hey great video. Looking to do the same thing and was curious since you installed Noctua fans all throughout the NAS Rosewill Case, was just curious how loud/quiet it is? Thank you.

[@sentdex]

It's on the other side of the room, but I don't hear it.

[@darkfizk]

What about the GPUS??????😪

[@sentdex]

Don't need GPUs in a NAS

[@Stinosko]

How fast will this server rack be sold out 🤣

[@gumbo64]

18 hours ago wot

[@Stinosko]

@@gumbo64 No comment 🤐

[@sentdex]

hackerman!

[@ahmedhamdy2479]

Hi, What is the extension you used to make amazon dark mode.

[@sentdex]

Its called "dark reader" ... makes all the web nice and dark

[@ttropicalgamer6634]

i am worried about why you choose gaming hardware for your nas when you could have bought a supermicro board and use an lsi hba card .. this set up will mess up your drives ... eventualy you will fail on the motherboard and no ecc correction

[@Alex4n3r]

P.2 - Kubernetes in about a year :D

[@ethanlee9633]

Why do you have a 240v breaker?

[@peternavarroiii3944]

Woudn't a SaaS solution be more pratical these days? I know it's more fun to do something locally but you have to worry about maintenance, associated costs, redundancy etc....

[@sentdex]

For this kind of storage, having it local is definitely better cost-wise and far better read/write wise for most people.

[@adrianteri]

Part of the 100 days of Home Lab challenge?

[@sentdex]

Wasn't aware of any challenge, but sure :P

[@manitejachinni5863]

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[@jj-icejoe6642]

Why build this if I can buy a r720xd with 2x E5-2670V2 and 32G ram and 2x 1g and 2x 10g network card for 200€ ?

[@adrianteri]

@sentdex how you dealing with heat?

[@sentdex]

air conditioning XD. In the past, I've considered doing some ducting into attic area, but I am not sure how real of a possibility that will be with an open rack. Nothing in there generates a bunch of heat, but I may do it on a per-machine basis.

[@whoisabishag3433]

TimeStamps [ 00:00:53 ] ...: Blame it on DhanOS. [ 00:03:20 ] ...: No Prebuilt Home NAS on The Market? [ 00:03:40 ] ... $1600

[@scalamasterelectros3204]

Bro i whode love to have 3 seperet atx windows 98 xp windows 10 and linix pcs in one rack the windows 98 and xp whode use the letest hardware that is drives suported

[@musa_b]

hey man you are rich!!

[@codewithyouml8994]

Me here being proud of thinking that 2GB graphics is a great deal ..... lol

[@thedeathkeeper23]

get Bequit Fans

[@esmannr]

Be mindful, re-silvering on an 8TB HDD took my NAS 24 hours.

[@abdraoufx]

Shshshh no body tell him. you can still run Synology Nas software on custom hardware. not called XPEnology

[@faiz697]

why this motherboard is 600 dollar in my country..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Ryan-yj4sd]

My friend gave me a $10K sever with very high end CPU, GPU for free. I have a very nice friend.

[@tvojejbabkydedko]

consumer cpu in a server 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sentdex]

I find it somewhat comical how when the form factor of storing computers changes to a rack, suddenly some people think it needs to be enterprise... even though it's 100% not.

[@theabyss5647]

Intel CPU? Instant dislike.

[@hestonvaughan1469]

Good thing dislikes don't matter anymore because of liberal youtube!

[@ColinBroderickMaths]

Brand (dis)loyalty is kind of a lame look. There's nothing wrong with Intel CPUs.

[@theabyss5647]

@@ColinBroderickMaths CPUs? No, nothing wrong with them. With Intel though - their policy and morality - yes. They need to be punished for 10 years of slowing technological progress down. 4-core CPUs and 2-5% incremental improvements in performance while increasing prices... Don't fund those assholes.

[@wildspycrab7255]

Not fund them and then..? Let AMD be the only x86 option on the market? If we've learned anything, competition is always good.

[@Stinosko]

COOL!!!!!!

[@hanes2]

I always go beefier cooling and power rail than I need because then it the fans never spins up on the GPU or PSU etc

[@tiemenjansen6043]

cool

[@hanes2]

I always go beefier cooling and power rail than I need because then it the fans never spins up on the GPU or PSU etc