Senzo Meyiwa murder trial | 08 May 2023

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

This judge should be suspended for sure because he is protecting the witness

[@willie2036]

Listening to this nonsense makes me emotional. A gun man can be pushed like that without consequences ? How ?

[@matloujennifer8376]

How 🤔 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tholzynupay6242]

Just like that.....push him and walk out of the door 😂 I close my eye when I sleep.

[@estherkekana4081]

This is very sad,this is a joke

[@florenceshamase8104]

seriously nonsensical.

[@ephraimnthako2991]

No way the guy his trying to fool us here

[@bavuyilemramba8067]

Tumelo : said he was laying with stomach face down between the couch & whole unit Mthoko : said he was laying down with his back facing up ai ai ai amanga awahlangani neqiniso

[@khathukutama5252]

Am admire this new Adv. Knows his job no panicking..keep on hitting him like that....

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

The court needs to get a proper Zulu interpreter

[@avuyilegulwa3025]

The one who was interpret for ngizwe😅

[@zandilerejoice4857]

He disappeared today i wonder what happened

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@zandilerejoice4857 Eyi too much drama in this case I wish they can change the interpreter cos he can't explain certain words from English to isizulu

[@lungamchunu7226]

So true

[@dankiemathebula9918]

Is not important

[@akachillas6437]

I can't wait for Adv MSHOLOLO,I'm telling you mthoko will cry or get sick n seek 4 a time to rest

[@muchi313]

This judge should go

[@sodhaimasvosva63]

I don't understand,with high level of crime in South Africa. ( Murder,Rape,Abductions,Kidnapping,Armed Robberies,Gangsterism etc etc ). If Zenzo Meyiwas case took that long in Courts,how many people actually would the system convict per month? Zenzo was killed inside Kelly Khumalo mother's house. It's well known who were inside that house. Then if the courts fails to bring justice to an easy case like these what more cases of millions of people who are killed on the streets,no wonder why crime rate is escalating in Mzansi. Does these Courts even think of the trauma they are causing to the Meyiwa family.Over 8 years now with the name of their beloved member always on the news. How do you expect them to at least forget and heal from the pain of losing Zenzo Meyiwas? How much is Kelly Khumalo paying you guys to protect her to such an extend😭😭. I'm from Zimbabwe but honestly this is ridiculous and insane. It pains me the most when ever I read about Meyiwa's story. This case must be closed,culprits should be serving their sentences long back but they are free and enjoying every piece of life yet others are crying everyday. S.A Judicial sysytem is captured just like in Zimbabwe.

[@konkehwanqa6260]

That's how South Africa operates if you got money and being a favourite to some officials you more protected, everything is money from day 1 all people in the house they supposed to be in jailed bt becos they got money it won't happen

[@mdubuthelezi7604]

My bother 💕👍

[@siphiwebooi7617]

Adv Moshololo in the house 🔥🔥❤️

[@dumisanikunene8649]

Zisazokhala, nalesingisinyana sizophela umakungena oka Mshololo😘😘

[@zamokuhlethabonyawo1638]

There were no intruders in the house, the person that they are protrcting here is Longwe Thwala , kubona ngisho ingane encane nje ukuthi amanga lawa

[@bosst7838]

Truth is coming out slowly but surely

[@noluthandogcado9498]

Indeed

[@mphomangole3768]

I have not heard all the intorigating lawyers asking the witnesses. What was their reaction when the intruders demanded cell phone and money. Were the cell phones and money handed over to the intruders. Had the intruders finally left with what they came.

[@ndumomncube955]

The second guy decided to rush Mthokozisi but did not rush Twala

[@MbathaSONTO-bk7jv]

Kodwa bantu ngenelele ramaphosa ngengane zabantu ezihleli ejele for nothing kelly an mthoko bayalazi iqiniso

[@matabelelandbroadcastingcorpor]

Mthokozisi’s testimony is full of holes. When giving evidence in chief with Baloyi his memory was sharp and could still remember dates. But under cross examination his memory start having a problem, selective amnesia at its best. Everybody who was in that room on the fateful day of Senzo’s demise will say that there were two intruders but the truth is that this is a lie. The way Mthoko says he got out of the house is laughable. There is no way Longwe would have got escort free and himself as well.

[@bonginkosihlongwane8899]

There were no intruders, that was planned by Longwe.

[@chidilebopo1091]

That's what the advocate was laying ground for. Amnesia.

[@mphomofokeng706]

and the question remains, why didnt Longwe call police or ask for help since his phone was in his pocket.

[@nomfundontshangase8124]

Can't wait for Longwe to take the stand🤞

[@cosythebe6011]

Is it me sensing rudeness in some of Mthoko's responses, or it's called sensitivity 😮

[@mphopenelopemokone6414]

He is rude

[@busikhoza7903]

No, the witnesses so far are all rude,from Mthethwa,Tumelo, and Mthoko, whether their rudeness arises from making sure that they are being feared and avoiding being interrogated by defense team, I wonder?🙄

[@trustyguriras9607]

Only one intruder who had a gun remained in the house, longwe exit the house followed by mthoko after the first gunshot, tumela ran in to the bed room , zandi ran to the bathroom , kelly ran to the bedroom , only senzo who was shot struggling to fight with his life kneeling between the sofa and the wall or at the edge of the sofa laying with face upside and only makhumalo remained with the intruder who hada gun, i what happened to makhumalo at that stage?

[@louismzobe3073]

There's got to be a rule that pertains to subsequent action in case of obvious lies and underestimating the court and such disrespect by the witness.He is practically making a fool of the court and the entire ñsyion.we can go on forever like this or the judge must make a decision

[@heidelbergcellularrepairs8638]

In a situation of armed robbery attack and where a gun goes off, ayikho skathi yokucabanga kahle, nobody has time to think properly. It's always a crazy situation.

[@nickywulffen552]

Siyi sataflika sizacela isibindi sika Longwe bandla yokuphushela kude umuntu wesibhamu second nalowu womese wadlula ngath yimoto zamapoyisa ezikhpha Ramaposa

[@zolisazolisa9734]

Both isibindi sa Longwe noSenzo abathi baye ku gun man bare handed and scuffle with him.

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

It's a big lie cos if someone entered that court with a gun that judge would beg for his life

[@siphesihlemqiniseni3013]

Khona okushaya amanti lah yemnaketzu😅😅😅😅

[@lebogangmogalr7703]

These friends of senzo are very rude.... I wonder how was he

[@sibusisosihiya9779]

Yes I can forget some of things I said many ago, but I can't forget the first thing I said after jumping into someone's yard.

[@rita_TM]

1:26:20 haibo the judge is leading evidence Mthoko didn’t say anything about beating the second intruder…. Ay judge!!!! And no one is correcting him

[@thatomosisili8816]

You and me are hearing the same thing. He said they were beating the 1st intruder. Said nothing about the 2nd

[@Kiki-bv4jn]

I heard that aswell and the defense all quite... Chile!

[@titusmanala4463]

The so called intruders were very weak,Longwe pushed them and run away,they assaulted by the woman with a crushes but they had gun and knife

[@elliotmologadikgasago]

I think if indeed those 2 intruder came into the house Longwe Twala must explain what business he have with those people how do you push a gun man and run away then not even call for help to the neighbour's he might have brought those Nkabis along

[@titusmanala4463]

@@elliotmologadikgasago but inkabi for what?if they were izinkabi,Longwe wouldn't be there,and izinkabi they don't talk,they just shoot,Longwe was a jelouse ex of Zandi, remember they were 3 guys in the house before he arrived,so he taught one of Senzo's friends is dating Zandi, that's where the tussle started and he pulled the trigger

[@mdubuthelezi7604]

Hheyi mfe2 kunzima la kodwa laba bayalazi iqhiniso

[@thethelelanimasuku-kr9cb]

Truly speaking akekho umuntu ophethe isibhamu but isizulu sithi liyakhuluma igazi lomuntu owafa kabi

[@lungelwamadela1946]

Kodwa Elika Senzo lithule alikhulumi tuu mntakabawo

[@cocekagwaji6910]

Namathambo ayanyakaza!

[@mandy7168]

Kodwa leli hhhayi kubi I always ask myself but why uSenzo naye uthuledu kubuhlungu shame

[@dinganimoyo-rj2ip]

The problem is here ,why the lights went off ,and why the area was cleaned thoroughly,and again if it was the intruders definitely, Chiccos son was already out ,He was supposed to call for help ,all of them they were suppose to scream ,so where was kelly ? And why they called Chicco in the first place ? So its still a game , a comedy ,but truly speaking,icala lembula ingubo lingene ,all od them will be arrested,a case can even take 20 years but this case will never sleep

[@patrickntuli703]

Whre was kelly all along. I do not hear her name being mentioned.

[@dinganimoyo-rj2ip]

Chicco ,longwes father ,is the one behind these witness mayb he payed them or threatened them one of two things ,they are actually taking Kelly and longwe away of this

[@sechenegololo531]

I think what happened is that after Senzo was shot, somebody tried to shoot Mthoko and that's why he ran away. By the time he ran, he was aware that Senzo was shot. This guy's testimony is hogwash, perjury should follow him!

[@titusmanala4463]

If they tried to shoot him ,he wouldn't gone back to the scene,yes he saw Senzo was shot

[@mosesnhlapo2992]

So Longwe managed to go pass the gun man and the knife man to escape without any harsh consequences? How brave and fortunate!

[@willie2036]

These are false narratives like village gossip.Longwe fled from the house after Senzo was shot. Why is the state taking this wrong route in this case ?I think criminals in Africa finance political parties in exchange for protection when crimes are committed

[@SonOfTheSoil834]

🤣🤣🤣after today I think he will make another statement to correct his lies 😂😂👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿Weldone Brain Baloyi for dealing with this bunch of liars

[@KJR134]

Brian baloyi indeed

[@simphiwemkhize9475]

🤣🤣🤣🤣eiy you guys are mad

[@innocentnyathi9894]

I will never trust a friend,@ Iam okay without them

[@WarrenMangokwane]

Capitec Bank must bring the evidence

[@mvuyimpithi8648]

😳😳

[@mvuyimpithi8648]

😳😳

[@lovejoynosipho2532]

Yes true to prove that he went there for limit😂

[@piniratshwene4574]

Iyooooooo pure lies wena Mthokozisi... Nxa jerrrrrrrrrr

[@nathitwala8438]

Cross paths with the deceased - who was in the tussle/wrestle with the 2nd intruder - who allows you without inhibition ... Tumelo also is now free from the tussle/wrestlig ... 2nd intruder decides to turn his back on Tumelo n chase you [the non fighter - who left the JunJubs son to fend for himself in the midst of danger]. You're saying you walked past ... again you say you ran past after the gun went off 🤔😳🤔 aii aii yayayaaaaa

[@busikhoza7903]

We have here five men who are allegedly robbers, and so far, witnesses have only told us about two intruders. Where are the other three at this point?

[@mazwideamahle4091]

But if it was a hit staged as a robbery it would require only 2 people to enter the house, while others are involved in driving the getaway car and coordinating the entire hit.

[@sethembamaduma5262]

Can’t wait for Mshololo to do her cross examination..Where is Teffo?

[@PhelaMokgwakgwa]

Liar mara friends are useless, wish Senzo appears in court while he's busy lying 🤥 😕

[@trustyguriras9607]

Now after mthoko ran than the second intruder chased after him and one intruder remained in the house , was he than not overpowered by makhumalo, zandi and kelly, coz senzo was already been shot, longwe already exit the house followed by omthoko, tumelo ran to lock him up and from the remaining three ladies , zandi ran to bath room and Kelly ran to bedroom , now only makhumalo remaind in that vacinity of kitchen only with the one intruder, what happened to makhumalo thn?

[@nomasontochristinah7753]

hi guys Mthoko must tell the truth rather than that he's going down hai khona MTHOKO

[@nelllamperth9765]

Well done Advocate Steve Ramosepiri

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Now he doesn't remember who went towards the intruders but said that after Senzo stood up Zandi and her mom were assaulting the intruder with crutches

[@alicenamodi7506]

If you remember he said Senzo went towards intruder then the scuffle (sp) started...

[@alicenamodi7506]

And he doesn't remember iyoo

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@alicenamodi7506 Yes but after Senzo went towards the intruders he just said he doesn't remember what else happened because he went to take his phone that was on the charger

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@alicenamodi7506 Even the judge can see that this story is being fabricated because nowhere in this country can anyone approach a person carrying a gun during a robbery and how can someone run out of the house where a robbery is taking place and not even scream for help because in such instances one would be praying just not to be shot and praying if they can find themselves out of such a position

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

​@@alicenamodi7506 You know Alice I thought that one of Senzo's friends was going to be brave enough and tell the truth to the court if they were his real friends but it seems like as if they only like him when it was beneficial to them

[@reubenmketwa2076]

I cant understand why this Judge is allowed to preside over this case as he is clearly biased towards the witness?I have never seen in all court proceedings a Judge who is so disruptive and defensive in my entire life.

[@sechenegololo531]

The judge has a duty to ensure that the witness is not butchered

[@busikhoza7903]

Exactly 💯

[@rita_TM]

2:15:27 so it is alleged that the intruders took Kelly’s phone but according to Mthoko’s testimony the intruders didn’t make it to the lounge the were at the hallway and the kitchen…

[@mazwideamahle4091]

This is why one of the reasons I believe this was a contract killing .....one of Kelly's relatives once mentioned Senzo was shot while trying to hide a phone near the sofa. this means the last gunman went back into the living are to get the phone. This probably happened when everyone else was hiding in the bedrooms.

[@Liveletfu1]

@Siyanda Ndimande Manengi tsine esiwatiyo, Mthoko akasiyedvwa.

[@khumbuzilemthiyane964]

"Only the five people know what transpired in the house on the day?" mthoko "yes only the five adults know what happened in the house" I rest my case... ⚖️ 👨‍⚖️ ♎️ ⚖️

[@sindisiwemwelase8785]

Kelly's son too

[@zakesnxumalo7101]

There are 8 adults (excluding Deceased) who should know..... 3 Khumalo ladies. Mthoko, Tumelo, Longwe, plus two intruders.....not this nonsense😂

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

The judge now is giving Mthokozisi clues

[@zamindlelabiyase3967]

I thought this guy was gonna be suspended What happened?

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@zamindlelabiyase3967 They won't suspend him he has a duty to make sure that these accused guys are found guilty and sentenced because I think a neutral judge would see that all the testimonies so far are fabrication

[@blorovblorovala8035]

I so wish the chief justice is following this case and lead judge ma apile

[@Bantubonke463]

This case make me emotional

[@bonginkosihlongwane8899]

You shouldn't be emotional, you need to watch yourself not have freinds

[@zaandimsk9749]

The intruders are known by Longwe hle

[@mandy7168]

Simple

[@fionandlovu5104]

Nje, Longwe knew about the intruders and it was planned. Maybe by him and Kelly Khumalo because why Kelly was insisting that Senzo must not leave without say bye as per her mum. She was buying time?? For the intruders to arrive.

[@mandy7168]

@@fionandlovu5104 yes from the beginning when Senzo was planning to go to the party or somewhere he will end up not going but to go to Kelly’s house why

[@mthokozisinkhosi9105]

And then also,there's a zion song that was sang by Kelly Khumalo, all in the name of buying time,.Why vele that day she didn't wanna lose sight of Senzo? Mmmh OK I now see who are the masterminds behind all this

[@cocekagwaji6910]

They never run after Longwe but but after him!

[@fostervusi4683]

Ayi inamanga lenja okthiwa uMthoko yeyi madoda sathane obomvu 🤔🤔

[@cocekagwaji6910]

Omnyama

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Judging from the so called Senzo's friends it's true that these days you have to watch your back even from people who say they have your back

[@ZomziWeAfrika]

You can not trust anyone

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@ZomziWeAfrika That's true

[@florenceshamase8104]

Well said friend.

[@TheBonnza]

Mayeeeee u gun man wayeshawa abafazi😮😮😮😮............

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

The judge can see this boy is lying cos if a gun man can enter that court the judge himself would beg for his life

[@songezomemani9224]

😂

[@willie2036]

From 2o14 todate ,the witnesses have mastered what to say, no truth will be told and heard

[@leratondlovu71]

Fry him ntshebe 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@DvissuzaChirwa-tb9en]

Eish

[@florenceshamase8104]

sekuyacaca ukuthi Longwe usenkingeni?

[@manelimbongwa42]

Selimshonele ufile ekugcineni

[@simonih9558]

Am starting to feel intruders were there but this was ochestrated by Longwe, that's only only way they can let him broke loose, and never bothered to take action.....

[@SipheleleMaphumulo-q4p]

Exactly when mthokozisi went out they chased him but Longwe was not chased

[@zakesnxumalo7101]

Mmmmm

[@titusmanala4463]

Is it possible your friend got killed Infront of you and you forget what happened?

[@konkehwanqa6260]

It's impossible

[@harrymangulenje3912]

In a normal situation even me, I cant remember anything, things happen so fast that when a gun goes, every person is after rescuing his own life, total confusion, you cant narrate the incident pretty excellently.

[@gersongaweseb7151]

Like you said , after a gun shot goes off. Here we are talking about what transpired before the gun went off. Clearly you don't seem follow.

[@LulamaMagwaza]

Uyeyisa naye lo mthoko yafana np tumelo

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

This guy is a liar,I mean a shot is fired and he can't see what people who are infront of him did after a shot is fired and he passed the intruders

[@mqobinzuza7942]

Okunye nje siyakwaz ukubanjwa kwe Nkunzi awakwaz ukuvusa ikhanda uma kuthiwe zonke phansi... nodlala ngezinyon ngabe akubanjwa inkunzi lapho...

[@mqobinzuza7942]

I judge livikela ufakazi angikaze ngikuzwe lokhu ummeli naye uyangingiza... washo wathi wabaleka wangen kwamakhelwan

[@lulekasakwe7381]

Hahaha if I put in plain English,says witness Twala lol 😂 😂

[@mandy7168]

Advocate Twala 😂

[@lulekasakwe7381]

@@mandy7168 😂😂😂

[@mthokozisinkhosi9105]

Even his tone is starting to be shaking when he is speaking now.

[@princessona-mavest9411]

its funny that Longwe can push a gun man without being shot or being hurt, yet when Senzo does the same, approach the intruder, he gets shot. wow funny isn't.

[@trustyguriras9607]

I saw these people the house are slowly throwing makhumalo under the bus, longwe went out of the house follwed by mthoko which was chased by one of the intruder, tumelo ran and lock him up inside the room , zandi hide her self in the bathroom, kelly ran in the bedroom, only zenso who went on to kneel between the sofa and the wall and makhumalo either in the kitchen or somewhere but in the house where its a danger zone remained with

[@kallaks]

Steve khopela

[@rita_TM]

1:07:53 so where was the 2nd intruder at this time? Baloyi?

[@princessona-mavest9411]

Mtho has a serious amnesia, he said Longwe was the first to see the intruders and ran through them to his way out, now its Senzo who approached them first.....what is what here.ai.he cant even here when the same question is asked differently.

[@blorovblorovala8035]

Push a gun man and run away nope no way because their lives will be in high risk for intruders as well.

[@hilmandeyanayi500]

I need this lawyer in Namibia to dear with the fishrot case please

[@florenceshamase8104]

please Mthoko khuluma iqiniso.

[@preciousmkhwanazi3755]

Longwe is the one who killed senzo

[@zimakazimashiya298]

Yey Amanga😢😢😢😢

[@bonginkosihlongwane8899]

This ntshebe advocate is not making sure. Where was Longwe when came back from neighbours?

[@lebogangmogalr7703]

Yoh aowa Maan.... The judge is wasting time by taking notes. Is it professional bathong. Gape 1 minutes goes while taking notes

[@noziphosolydia8938]

He just said Longwe fired the shot then statement was changed mxm nonsense. There were no intruders.

[@rita_TM]

I wish I was in this advocate’s team because Mthoko actually did say that Senzo and Tumelo were with the 2nd intruder … but he said this the other day when Baloyi was questioning him…. Now they are making my advocate sound like he’s making things up. Also Mthoko mentioned while Baloyi was questioning him the other day that the man and his son came out coz they heard the commotion next door … that was Mthokos testimony…..

[@zolisazolisa9734]

Ngezwa bethi abathyolwa yinkabi ezidumile mara bahlulwa nguLongwe ongahlomile.

[@mondlisthe1369]

Yaze yanamanga ingane ingabe izalwa ngumabani 😮😮😮😮😢😢😢

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Cabanga lomfana uvikela isigebengu

[@mondlisthe1369]

Usaba usesi wakho lol

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@mondlisthe1369 Hahahahahahahahaha

[@hildamonama9397]

Lies push gunman n go out neva. 😊😊😊

[@seanedonald139]

They're going to jail this once

[@abudlkader927]

Where was accused nr 2 on the 26 October? Day of the murder

[@SipheleleMaphumulo-q4p]

Apparently he was absent at work

[@rita_TM]

According to Mthoko the 2nd intruder was MIA literally

[@ndoutsumbedzo9712]

If the were two shot fired what happen to cartridges to be tested to see who's the owner of the gun😮

[@piniratshwene4574]

Jail sentence is waiting 4u...rubbish

[@lungamavela4288]

I'm glad you're feeling well today grill him

[@lungelwamadela1946]

He was never sick, he wanted to prepare his questions well

[@VeraNosialo]

On Friday his plan was to knock off early😅

[@mqobinzuza7942]

Kubanjwa inkunzi wena usaqalazan ne phone kant isbhamu siyini bakwethu...

[@bosst7838]

When days are dark true friends are few indeed this guy was looking for the deceased money nothing else

[@mamosedimaleka6291]

Who still has time to introduce themself to neighbours running away from guns? Usually you jump in and shout help, help, help! No time for introductions. This witness is not make sure.

[@Ms_Mankotham]

Imagine. 😂 this boy is so dump

[@dee8943]

🤣🤣🤣

[@HappyNcube-ve6ku]

How come it looks likes Kelly disapeard the moment Senzo was shot in this case she should have kneeling and crying besides the lifeless body of her man

[@ChibuezeAmos-to6er]

I'm still stuck on scuffle😂😂😂

[@lulekanogcantsilulu6385]

😂😂me too

[@HappyNcube-ve6ku]

First Mtho runs to the bedroom and now he runs out past both the intruders who opened for who inthe bedroom using the knifethi is all lies

[@zodwadlamini4213]

Kelly khumalo she’s busy singing ekubeni wabulala umuntu

[@uncletee1853]

Makes me sick

[@queenafuna9555]

I heard all the story and that scuffed but where was KELLY by that time😏

[@rita_TM]

29:28 but he just said Zandi and her mom were assaulting the short one which means Senzo was with the tall one now he said he didn’t say that… ok perhaps the question should be while Zandi and MaKhumalo were with the short one beating him, where was the tall one?

[@nomfundontshangase8124]

Remember he said Senzo was approached the gunman, we really need to know where's the second one, and say everyone is now up, so the makhumalo and zandi are assaulting the same gunman, where's the second one, where's Senzo and Tumelo?

[@nombeks7758]

Now Mshololo will help expose further the loop holes opened

[@nomfundontshangase8124]

Exactly there are so many of them

[@casperkhambule]

Does who were inside deserve 2 go n visit d jail thruth will come out thy are wasting our data😠

[@rita_TM]

2:10:07 he said it when Baloyi was questioning him

[@zaandimsk9749]

I believe that there were intruders in the house and Longwe knows them.

[@manelimbongwa42]

Why you say that?

[@zaandimsk9749]

@Maneli Mbongwa why would Senzo's friends protect the killer? Madala was making it difficult for me to believe that the intruders were there because he was being too protective of others but with Mtho its different, he is saying what happened and not protecting anyone that was in the house. How would intruders not stop Longwe or even chase him? It is clear they knew him, because when Mtho runs out they knew he would go get help from neighbors, that's when they also ran away from the scene.

[@lindalolly6318]

I think Kelly knows them as well, due to the cars she wanted to drive, allegedly

[@thethwayon]

@@zaandimsk9749 That is highly possible if the intruders came there with only one intention and that was to kill one particular person

[@bonginkosihlongwane8899]

That's true, Longwe knows them. Intact they were sent by him (Longwe) how could he pushed an intruder and just pass to sit outside do nothing?

[@harrymangulenje3912]

Nomatter what your thoughts, even a 10 months old baby can know this does not qualify to be a hit. Far far from it.