Senzo Meyiwa Murder Trial | 12 February 2024

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Cross-examination of accused number 2 in the Senzo Meyiwa murder trial, Bongani Ntanzi, continues today. On Friday he testified that he never confessed to any involvement in the killing of the soccer star. He told the High Court in Pretoria that he only signed papers after his alleged confession on the 24th of June 2020 because he wanted a phone call and a bath. This as the trial within a trial to determine the admissibility of alleged confessions by Ntanzi and accused number 1, Muzi Sibiya, continues.
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@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682
@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682 7 ай бұрын
It's weird how niknax is just mute enjoying shanghwari repeating dumb questions and disrepecting Ntanzi but if it was defense he could have long opened his stinking mouth 🤮Continue being consistent Ntanzi the truth shall sets you free babe🙏🏿
@tebogosodaba5568
@tebogosodaba5568 7 ай бұрын
I don’t know if I can get a hold of you but I have a question for you about the car that I have for
@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682
@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682 7 ай бұрын
@@tebogosodaba5568 hahaha ask here
@brianmazorodze4860
@brianmazorodze4860 7 ай бұрын
Today's session confirms three things. One is that Ntanzi was indeed assaulted. If you really listen to his voice projection when it comes to narrating how he was assaulted and how it happened including how each individual participated in the assault itself, you will clearly see that he is telling the truth. Two is that someone in police had a caring heart to leak out to Mngomezulu how police framed Ntanzi. That is why there appears to be places where Mngomezulu was definitely sure of and Ntanzi wasn't. To some, this might appear as inconsistency but it is not. It just shows that there might have been a police officer who fought on the side of Ntanzi for justice to be served. Three is that the line of Sibanda's questioning today shows that the state is now clutching at straws. Four is that the Judge uses a different criteria of interjecting between defense and the state. He kept quite when Sibanda incorrectly put to the witness that according to the AVL report, the car did not stop at Baragwana hospital because it said GPS locked. If anyone listened carefully to the expert witness, he said GPS locked means there is no signal at that place and so we cannot tell whether the car was moving or not. That means it is possible that the car stopped and it is also possible that it did not. If anything, the state should have some explaining to do on why the AVL kept locking in areas that were to the disadvantage of their version.
@anastasiakhumalo6985
@anastasiakhumalo6985 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for this fine analysis. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this platform. Very informative.
@brianmazorodze4860
@brianmazorodze4860 7 ай бұрын
@@anastasiakhumalo6985 thank you for the complimentary remarks. It's fully appreciated. 🙏
@sphamasuku2302
@sphamasuku2302 7 ай бұрын
👏
@KennyMulaudzi
@KennyMulaudzi 7 ай бұрын
On AVL report for bara that’s how Mngomezulu put it to mogane
@brianmazorodze4860
@brianmazorodze4860 7 ай бұрын
@@KennyMulaudzi yes but that was before the AVL report was brought and admitted as evidence. When Sibanda here says "evidence before this court shows that the vehicle did not stop" he is referring to the AVL report and not what Mngomezulu put to Mogane.
@njabulojb2994
@njabulojb2994 7 ай бұрын
Listening to Ntanzi he indeed was Framed
@rita_TM
@rita_TM 7 ай бұрын
i literally can't listen to Sibanda's questions...Adv. Baloyi I miss you sir with your British English and calm demeanor
@rhulaniedward1463
@rhulaniedward1463 7 ай бұрын
Lol 😂
@TheycallmeBanie
@TheycallmeBanie 7 ай бұрын
I thought I'm the only one. He is really irritating
@slindokuhleprecious6959
@slindokuhleprecious6959 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂Sibanda umbhedo and he is using this opportunity to shine in front of the caremas
@zwangendabamtshali4591
@zwangendabamtshali4591 7 ай бұрын
Sibande is asking stupid questions. 1. You cannot contradict the questions between the two dates. 2. The state has no case in this moment.
@keithmhlongo4242
@keithmhlongo4242 7 ай бұрын
Like abomshololo nabo babebuza imibuzo engayindawo kofakazi
@Tshegofatso1994
@Tshegofatso1994 7 ай бұрын
Most of the things that are being asked to Ntanzi and his answers are lost in translation. The interpreter was supposed to be someone from deep KZN not Johannesburg or Durban because their isiZulu is not the same
@gladysmkhize4085
@gladysmkhize4085 7 ай бұрын
True
@mapuleseletisha8002
@mapuleseletisha8002 7 ай бұрын
It sounds like the translator is a Ndebele speaking person
@underdog209
@underdog209 7 ай бұрын
Both of Ntanzi’s lawyers are Zulu speaking and are not objecting.
@thobekamgobhozi1265
@thobekamgobhozi1265 7 ай бұрын
That is so true. I am surprised why is Mnisi not objecting.
@thobekamgobhozi1265
@thobekamgobhozi1265 7 ай бұрын
​@@underdog209is Ramosepele Zulu?
@maryanndiamond1690
@maryanndiamond1690 7 ай бұрын
Justice for Ntanz!!!?? State must fall.
@ngwana3372
@ngwana3372 7 ай бұрын
He must be freed this is so unfair!
@anthonynchabeleng2664
@anthonynchabeleng2664 7 ай бұрын
​@@ngwana3372How is it unfair? Unfair trail or what?
@elizabethmakaleng267
@elizabethmakaleng267 7 ай бұрын
The State is struggling to link Ntanzi with Senzo murder case. Ntanzi explained exactly what happened to him(torcher/abused). State is just going round in circle.
@ngwana3372
@ngwana3372 7 ай бұрын
Fabrication. Cooked evidence by the state.
@awethuzanga1631
@awethuzanga1631 7 ай бұрын
Mxm there's no case here for these guys before this court, This prosecutor's question needs Ntanzi to be rough when giving answers, more like Julius Malema
@JazaNgomdludla
@JazaNgomdludla 7 ай бұрын
Come on South Africans Ntanzi is not a different case, y'all know what happens when SAPS is dealing with a suspect, . people deny their involvement. Ntanzi chooses which events to remember correctly even if it's easy questions,.
@noxolosabulela340
@noxolosabulela340 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda is a joke
@qiniselahlangu-in2tz
@qiniselahlangu-in2tz 7 ай бұрын
Futhi not even a joke ididi straight
@anastasiakhumalo6985
@anastasiakhumalo6985 7 ай бұрын
Ekubeni wayeshawelani uNtanzi if they had all the evidence against him for the murder of Meyiwa? I urge everyone to watch Mshololo cross examination of Gininda, take notice of that last question she asked him. She asked if Gininda had ever been accused of forcing accused persons of making statements. Ntanzi was made to sign all these docs. He didn't say all these things. This is why he was tortured in that way. If the state has compelling evidence against someone there absolutely is no need to force to make a confession unless ofcourse if they are trying to frame them so that those who paid them (state) will get away with it.
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
That question was withdrawn by Mshololo and does not for part of the court record. She was showboating by asking a question that she knew was objectionable. She likes making useless sensational statements direct at the peanut gallery, who unquestioningly gulps it up!
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Amanga ezinja zama Poyisa bafwethu
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Ungathi udla ò fish kuphela uSiband ngisho esebumba umlomo ungathi uNkosikazi
@xoliswagoduka2966
@xoliswagoduka2966 7 ай бұрын
As far as I see most of the people here, doesn't want justice for Senzo. Most of them, they are just entertaining themselves. Why you always criticize the state? They want justice for Senzo's family. I'm soo sad. People don't want to follow the case, they are the judges, lawyers, but they didn't know nothing about the law, to them this case is a joke. Wait until this happen to your parents, sister, brother, child or your relative. You will need support forgetting, that you were swearing at judges and lawyers. People are dying like flies, and there are adults that act like children. Mxim
@UrLegend.
@UrLegend. 7 ай бұрын
Not even Senzo's family wld say ths nonsense,,,,,, it's obvious enough to us that thy innocent we dnt need degrees for that ishh!!!!!we want justice not to b liked by accused suphapha
@ndubanesol111
@ndubanesol111 7 ай бұрын
you are simply bluffing, you can inly fool yourself, sadly Chicco n Longwe including Gininda are already exposed by the very law the current judicial proceeding.
@SonOfTheSoil834
@SonOfTheSoil834 7 ай бұрын
The average population is below average in this country that’s why ANC still leading US🤦‍♂️
@ncedisakhewu
@ncedisakhewu 7 ай бұрын
💯
@SonOfTheSoil834
@SonOfTheSoil834 7 ай бұрын
@@ndubanesol111 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣your crazy.longwe what?🤷🏾‍♂️
@stanleykhumalo5158
@stanleykhumalo5158 7 ай бұрын
Contradictions between Ntanzi and Mngomezulu
@ayandatobi
@ayandatobi 7 ай бұрын
😂😂
@JazaNgomdludla
@JazaNgomdludla 7 ай бұрын
Cannot remember food he was given but remembers the keys cells mattress. Cannot remember if Engen had a shop from inside a Fortuner Don't know English but able to read Alberton and pronounce well. There's absolutely nothing wrong with questions, this is prosecution not pampering.
@fufunareen
@fufunareen 7 ай бұрын
all this 5 accused are guilty they must just say who sent them that's it
@07nkosi
@07nkosi 7 ай бұрын
Isizulu sikatolika asishayi khona. Bekumele ethi kuNtanzi "Ngenkathi uMabhena ethi, senzeni ngalomuntu?" wena wafikelwa emuphi umncabango?
@bongiwegumede4311
@bongiwegumede4311 7 ай бұрын
Exactly akatoliki correct
@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt
@NiphoMakhanya-hk8mt 7 ай бұрын
Seningameni nikhulume nje.....lomfana washaywa looo...uyamuzwa nangendlela aphendula ngayo....noma state sizama kanganani kumgcindezela
@TheycallmeBanie
@TheycallmeBanie 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda shem still need fame
@AugustineKasivila
@AugustineKasivila 7 ай бұрын
Guys in case law a person can never be 100% correct. It is necessary for a human being to have errors in conveyance of evidence or statement. The judges and magistrates knows that. Ntanzi may be right but he is a human being he is also privy to errors. Errors does not constitute guiltiness. But deviations can cause serious harm to his statement. We must also keep in mind that Ntanzi was not taking notes on all this ordeal and the alleged torture he suffered.
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
I can not agree with you more, you explain with clarity. Such human errors are afforded to all of the lay witnesses.
@PeterSerwanyaMalebane
@PeterSerwanyaMalebane 7 ай бұрын
You're correct Mr, we should also take into account that trauma,fatigue,sleep deprivation n poor hygiene has affected him very bad n i believe that his memory got a huge blow
@kingphoka-uf5tk
@kingphoka-uf5tk 7 ай бұрын
this Ntanzi son, his so consistent in his version, and Sibande his trying hard to discredit him 😂😂😂 poor Sibande
@oclebonganimaluleke4356
@oclebonganimaluleke4356 7 ай бұрын
If Ntanzi indeed confirmed that he killed Senzo, why there was a need to go to his place of work to confirm if he was at work or not and why they have to go to do doctor to check his teeth?
@xolilanga
@xolilanga 7 ай бұрын
My heart bleeds listening to Ntanzi, may the truth and justice prevail.
@thokozanikmhlanga3428
@thokozanikmhlanga3428 7 ай бұрын
With all this that is happening to Senzo meyiwa case the state could rather just end this case. The state wants to arrest the innocent ones
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Uzomuzwa kanjani uNtanzi omuntu ongale ,uyasangana wena nxaaaa izinqe
@malfan
@malfan 7 ай бұрын
Are we watching the same trial? Sibanda is poking holes at Ntanzi's credibility. Ntanzi's is unable to explain why his version on the stand has changed from what he told his lawyer.
@abongilebaleka3712
@abongilebaleka3712 7 ай бұрын
You should also remember some of witnesses denied being near the garage until AVL was introduced
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
​​@@abongilebaleka3712True that, but those people are not on trial.
@sthokozomsomi2691
@sthokozomsomi2691 7 ай бұрын
Weee u Sibanda 🙄🙄🙄 unganekwane
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Imisangano le kaSibanda
@lindabenedictmdlalose8530
@lindabenedictmdlalose8530 7 ай бұрын
The interpreter is not interpreting correctly, KZN Zulu vs. Gauteng Zulu, it's a cocktail for disaster.
@thokomasondo9687
@thokomasondo9687 7 ай бұрын
U know even KZN Zulu differ slightly,cos there is Durban,PMBurg,Then Gauteng and then Nongoma and the neighborhood towns.Nongoma is too deep
@noxolosabulela340
@noxolosabulela340 7 ай бұрын
You're right
@anastasiakhumalo6985
@anastasiakhumalo6985 7 ай бұрын
You're right. Alot of things are lost in translation here.
@konkehwanqa6260
@konkehwanqa6260 7 ай бұрын
Thanks Mr Mnisi 🙏
@zodwadankie4668
@zodwadankie4668 7 ай бұрын
Uma nifika eAlberton wawusasemotweni iFortuner yebo noma cha!only
@NompumeleloDube-y5x
@NompumeleloDube-y5x 7 ай бұрын
Eyi sibande unesicefe nembuzo ebhedayo sikhuluma ngokufa komuntu ukudla kuhlanganaphi musa ukuthatha amapoint
@MakaEno-Aphile
@MakaEno-Aphile 7 ай бұрын
Exactly ..that's my thinking. Also...uyabheda..lo elokhu ezenza into e serious. Elokhu ehlina ..
@sthembisoxhasa8744
@sthembisoxhasa8744 7 ай бұрын
Having the necessary exposure in the process of arrest. The witness version is what is general practice in the cells. Even 35 a rights. You leave the charge and fill out everything else... get the accuse to sing and you write the charge after. Then give him the copy. OB it is only strict police that would write themselves. 90%, you write your own OB entry. The keys and cell allocation, is also true the cell guard would inform you which cell is free you, take the person yourself.
@zwelimkhize3071
@zwelimkhize3071 7 ай бұрын
Your statement is not true. if you're a cop your police station should be investigated for flaunting the standing orders. Cell keys been given to who?
@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849
@thusoetsilegaseemelwe8849 7 ай бұрын
I have arrested and handed more than 15 people to SAPS for detention but I have never written in an OB only signed. But it could be because I am not a member of SAPS
@YTL-hi5ll
@YTL-hi5ll 7 ай бұрын
4:32:00 Not truth, where is the defense?? The left Police station to Court; from Court via Alberton to Soweto and from Soweto to Rustenburg. The Defense do your job bathong....
@diphapangmofokeng2709
@diphapangmofokeng2709 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda is confusing himself
@somilangaye9465
@somilangaye9465 7 ай бұрын
He is and he thinks he's being clear
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 7 ай бұрын
No Ryder andivumi...12/2/2024
@shaibuabdallah8878
@shaibuabdallah8878 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda is useless
@awethuzanga1631
@awethuzanga1631 7 ай бұрын
Some of his questions are not clear, n he put a blame to them, anyway even I always blame someone
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
Yes. Some of Sibande's questions are ambiguous or not too particular, leaving the witness confused.
@Eu68345
@Eu68345 7 ай бұрын
Uze uhwaqe nje uhlushwe yini kangaka ngecala elingamanga uzwa kanjani isilima kuyangidida Sibanda ndini
@keikantsengjoan9614
@keikantsengjoan9614 7 ай бұрын
This Sibande think he is excelling in questioning Ntanzi, this young man was under crucification yhoo😮
@DuduzileZwane-cx7fc
@DuduzileZwane-cx7fc 7 ай бұрын
Ubaloyi ni Sibande they know very well who killed senzi. They making us fools nje
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Bayasinyela laba bowu lokhe bebuza into engekho
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Bayangicika
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
Sibande purposefully moves from one topic to another and the randomly bounces back to the same topics. This is a typical tactic used when the advocate is of the opinion that the witness is sticking religiously to a prepared narrative as opposed to telling the truth. The defence and the judge will recognise the tactic and allow it. That is the reason why there is not much objections from the defence and the judge.
@sebongilehlahatse1820
@sebongilehlahatse1820 7 ай бұрын
Ntanzi is contradicting himself with documents he signed😢
@vincentnyembe
@vincentnyembe 7 ай бұрын
He is not the prosecutor is trying to make a case without actually facts Ntanzi hasn't changed his story papalakhe is trying to trick Ntanzi with sequence of events to make an impression that Ntanzi's testimony is fabricated, he was indeed tortured & assaulted if they didn't he wouldn't be in the dock today he was not offered tea & cakes to confess cumon wake up
@govindsamymoodley8995
@govindsamymoodley8995 7 ай бұрын
Wat is sibanda trying to do is he trying to assist south African to understand how was senzo killed or is he trying for a conviction
@mariamasetloa6272
@mariamasetloa6272 7 ай бұрын
They pinning accused 😢
@Eu68345
@Eu68345 7 ай бұрын
Bonke labo abathi laba bafana babulala uSenzo kodwa uNkulunkulu owayebona konke akasona isilima njengaloSibanda ozenza inkunzi yomshushisi udoti wesigebengu uze uphike nje kanti wawuhamba nabo udakiwe uyangenyanyisa
@Eu68345
@Eu68345 7 ай бұрын
USenzo wafela ejele noma kwaKelly hamba uyobuza bona uyeke izingane zabantu pho yayiyokwenzani imoto uvumani uNtanzi kodwa ngiyenyanya uSibanda uyeyisa
@mariamasetloa6272
@mariamasetloa6272 7 ай бұрын
​@Eu68345 People are just ignorant 🙄 and Naive barwele dihoogklap knowing that it happened ko spaza house 🏠
@christinamoila5644
@christinamoila5644 7 ай бұрын
​@@mariamasetloa6272case closed
@ThulileButhelezi777
@ThulileButhelezi777 7 ай бұрын
When he's saying "iphutha" he means it's a lie not mistake
@Eu68345
@Eu68345 7 ай бұрын
Lokhu kuka crocodile mouth sekukubi kakhulu
@underdog209
@underdog209 7 ай бұрын
People just have internet but not brains.
@MxolisiMaduna-o9m
@MxolisiMaduna-o9m 7 ай бұрын
Thank you 100%
@zwangendabamtshali4591
@zwangendabamtshali4591 7 ай бұрын
Umtoliki cha akakwazi ukubeka njengoba esho uNtazi.
@thokomasondo9687
@thokomasondo9687 7 ай бұрын
I am Zulu from KZN and he is really not interpreting correctly,this is a Nongoma Zulu boy not a Durban/Soweto Zulu
@BonganiMazibuko-pr2pb
@BonganiMazibuko-pr2pb 7 ай бұрын
Lendaba le yokuthi bafuna u siyanda bathi nguye siyanda untanzi ayihlangani lento lawo maphoyisa gama lasiyanda banikwa wuban kuthi wuye umbulali
@slindokuhleprecious6959
@slindokuhleprecious6959 7 ай бұрын
Mubi kakhulu baloyi maye hlezi phansi ngath u mushe(kids show kwa sabc lo o yellow)
@qiniselahlangu-in2tz
@qiniselahlangu-in2tz 7 ай бұрын
Yazi ledidi liyanginyanyisa lomashwashwatha Lona
@rhulaniedward1463
@rhulaniedward1463 7 ай бұрын
Justice to ntazi plz 🙏
@jessicabradley6657
@jessicabradley6657 7 ай бұрын
The cells had no water like really ??????
@MakaEno-Aphile
@MakaEno-Aphile 7 ай бұрын
Prosecutors nibabi yhooooo. Ngathi namadumbe izideku..
@buyisiwemasondo2079
@buyisiwemasondo2079 7 ай бұрын
I thought baloyi was ugly but after seeing sibande,I rest😂😂😂😂
@YTL-hi5ll
@YTL-hi5ll 7 ай бұрын
4:30:19 Sibanda your not telling the truth; on the way to Soweto not Rustenburg.
@sibonisozulu-fb1oh
@sibonisozulu-fb1oh 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda has enger issues he's not right according to talk to peoples, what i noticed he want Ntanzi to accept what he don't know. he's failing in other way.
@mapitsokhoetha5468
@mapitsokhoetha5468 7 ай бұрын
Ntanzi uyabuliswa bandla, can we have some intervention from the lawyers???
@sibonisozulu-fb1oh
@sibonisozulu-fb1oh 7 ай бұрын
I thnk Sibanda is still learning myb he sent by other univercity to stdy that's why he's failing he don't know what is doing
@themtutuj
@themtutuj 6 ай бұрын
Alberton Engen are Names not english words...wheres the defence?
@chrismolele727
@chrismolele727 7 ай бұрын
Am not legal expert,but I can do better than this Sibanda.
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda is using this opportunity to record Nthanzi's newly revised version. Sibiya is asking questions from all angles so that Ntanzi and the defence have very little room to further change their version in the mail trial. Remember that the prosecution will still be bringing more witnesses and evidence in the main trail.
@stanleykhumalo5158
@stanleykhumalo5158 7 ай бұрын
Ntanzi is throwing his lawyer under the bus
@maqophellotsira7076
@maqophellotsira7076 7 ай бұрын
Sibanda is making me sick
@nosiphodlaminip
@nosiphodlaminip 7 ай бұрын
Not like me
@MduduziJaphetMhlungu
@MduduziJaphetMhlungu 7 ай бұрын
LoMjitha uyazama ukuzikhipha kodwa manje ubuye ahluleke ukuphendula imibuzo lento ezombophisa akudlalwa amakinati kuleliya bhokisi
@khanyisanichris9088
@khanyisanichris9088 7 ай бұрын
Yazi utolika akasazi isizulu but balindele untanzi ephendule Kahle mxm
@buyisiwemasondo2079
@buyisiwemasondo2079 7 ай бұрын
And uyena obhedisa uhlelo akasazi untanzi uzophendula into ayizwa ngaye of which is not precise
@mzwandilemqamu870
@mzwandilemqamu870 7 ай бұрын
Interpreter fuseg utolika udoti awqedeleli iympendulo zika bafo
@LungaMayisela-w1j
@LungaMayisela-w1j 7 ай бұрын
Ntanzi is lucky for not facing the great Baloyi.
@MaryMemela-e8d
@MaryMemela-e8d 7 ай бұрын
Not the great Baloyi but the corrupt Baloyi 😂
@unknown-hx6ru
@unknown-hx6ru 7 ай бұрын
This has nothing to do with being great is about the truth weather Baloyi or whoever branzino is consistent with his story....
@KhethiweMhlongo-k6l
@KhethiweMhlongo-k6l 7 ай бұрын
Sicela tolika ka ngizwa dis tolika us nt zulu
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 7 ай бұрын
The merits and demerits of the evidence from Mr Ntanzi and from the prosecution will be weighed by the judge before it comes to the decision but it looks like the writing is on the wall...12/2/2024
@mazwideamahle4091
@mazwideamahle4091 7 ай бұрын
Then tell us what's written on the wall.
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 7 ай бұрын
Not Guilty on all charges...(that's the writing on the wall) 13/2/2024...
@Mandisamemela-ld8my
@Mandisamemela-ld8my 7 ай бұрын
I think sibanda is still in school cause is forcing things
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Usibanda uyayibuza.into engasile uzaze anyakazise lembukumbuku yomzimba
@SmangeleTshabala
@SmangeleTshabala 5 ай бұрын
Ave kunzima ukuvikela amanga
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us
@ThembaMayekiso-vk7us 7 ай бұрын
But the version that at some stage in Carltonville Sibanye mine Mogane, Mabhena and Accused No2 went to the Mine (Medic) Hospital....the inly place they visited (at least on the evidence adfuced) is HR Building to see as ti whether the fellow was at work or not ..this version is "New" possibly Adv Sibande will pick it up. Correct me guys if m wrong..12/2/2024
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
Yes. The mine hospital is part is a new version, I think even for the defence team. Had Nthanzi told his advocates, they would have asked him to omit the part where he gives concent for the SAPS to obtain his medical records.
@JeffreyvictorMhlanga-ol9sq
@JeffreyvictorMhlanga-ol9sq 7 ай бұрын
Why keep on asking about time hence ntsnzi tells the court dat he never have a watch he is not familiar with Gauteng but keep on asking about buildig weak evidence from the state
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
So that when new evidence or withnesses are introduced in the main trial, Nthanzi will not be able to suddenly remember the time and duration in the main trial when it suits Nthanzi's version or movements.
@annegriffiths986
@annegriffiths986 7 ай бұрын
These are all necessary questions to the Mr. Ntanzi, because you need to know when and where and if these assaults did take place. For example, they collected me from Tembisa Police Station and then took me to a certain place where they then assaulted and tortured me. All of these actions do have a time frame that needed to be compared to the vehicle tracking systems of the vehicle used. Assault and tortured do not take 5 min of that I am certain.
@UnityDubeUnity-qx3ho
@UnityDubeUnity-qx3ho 7 ай бұрын
Kwaze kabuhlungu
@ambrogino81
@ambrogino81 Ай бұрын
What is this case about?
@patelvalentinedube5554
@patelvalentinedube5554 7 ай бұрын
This is so painful
@nondumisomakao3884
@nondumisomakao3884 7 ай бұрын
Amehlo aBaloyi😥
@Samkelo-sw4zx
@Samkelo-sw4zx 7 ай бұрын
Aye sabeka amehlo we black mamba
@tsakanifavour8465
@tsakanifavour8465 7 ай бұрын
Really you are wicked
@xoliswapaliso1571
@xoliswapaliso1571 7 ай бұрын
This Sibanda guys has no respect and he is very rude Yho , ngathi ndingambetha
@PelecinaTladi
@PelecinaTladi 7 ай бұрын
What a difficult case
@tilly594
@tilly594 7 ай бұрын
I knew it,Sibande was lying.Mngomezulu said what Ntanzi said.He was slapped in th face by Mabena on the 16th
@KennyG2435
@KennyG2435 7 ай бұрын
& Mabena said to him; " you think you a smart " in Zulu... let's hope My Lord noted that
@marizzygemini9414
@marizzygemini9414 7 ай бұрын
00 ​@@KennyG2435
@gugundimandenare7969
@gugundimandenare7969 7 ай бұрын
Yes but that was not the question don’t think with emotions , look at reality ; in court language is important no assumptions, you tell it as it is
@sushelarajkumar367
@sushelarajkumar367 7 ай бұрын
​@@KennyG2435cruel cruel Mabena did such a horrible thing 2 another human being
@ncedisakhewu
@ncedisakhewu 7 ай бұрын
​@@sushelarajkumar367Mabena did that to a murderer.
@Linn-z4b
@Linn-z4b 7 ай бұрын
Yes
@gladysmkhize4085
@gladysmkhize4085 7 ай бұрын
I feel sorry for Ntanzi uzwakala njengomuntu ohloniphayo wahlangana nabafana aba wrong
@pholobian
@pholobian 7 ай бұрын
Ibaphi abafana ahlangana nabo? Aba-wrong? Bahlangana ngani or ikuphi okubi uNtanzi ahlangana ngabo nabo
@anastasiakhumalo6985
@anastasiakhumalo6985 7 ай бұрын
​@@pholobiancompound question. 😂 Let me park here and wait for the answer.
@thapelohonest7019
@thapelohonest7019 7 ай бұрын
Watever people might say this judge is not stupid,this Ntazi guy he have nothing to do with this case....Ballistic expect says it all unless mina ngilandela Icela elihlukile
@Sfiso-g4u
@Sfiso-g4u 7 ай бұрын
Inkabi Vele iyadabukisa Uma sibanjiwe
@gladysmkhize4085
@gladysmkhize4085 7 ай бұрын
@@pholobian wahlangana nenkabi zangakubo zamfaka emshikashikeni wobunkabi next question
@stanleykhumalo5158
@stanleykhumalo5158 7 ай бұрын
Listening to Ntanzi,somewhere he is contradicting himself and sort of denying what Mr Mngomezulu said because mostly the defence says what it's told by the accused
@mthethelelipremierleague8704
@mthethelelipremierleague8704 7 ай бұрын
What would you say if someone asked you one thing from left, right, up and down
@stanleykhumalo5158
@stanleykhumalo5158 7 ай бұрын
@@mthethelelipremierleague8704 I'm talking about when he says he can't comment on what Mngomezulu said
@bigdala365bw4
@bigdala365bw4 7 ай бұрын
Mgumezulu had his way of attacking state as an advocate (u dnt go straight, u apply tricks) Ntanzi is straight n forward. He is ryt to say he will not comment on Mngumezulu's version
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
​@@bigdala365bw4Mngo may use his trick and tactics, but the versions of Mngo and Nthanzi should not contridict each other. The judge now needs to decide who is telling truth between Mngo, Nthanzi and the prosecution. Normally, the judge needs to simply decide between the defence and the prosecution, not three parties.
@THEMBABONAKELE-m7r
@THEMBABONAKELE-m7r 7 ай бұрын
I think Mr sibiya must learn to this guy of what you should do when you defend yourself Instead of selling out your lawyer 😅
@iconiclizfizz805
@iconiclizfizz805 7 ай бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. Giving benefit of the doubt maybe it was just a strategy
@DuduzileZwane-cx7fc
@DuduzileZwane-cx7fc 7 ай бұрын
Yini okhuluma. Ngayo wena. Sbindi ngoba wukufa kwasenZo okukhulunywa ngako lana manje wena umshushisela indaba yendlela ngoba vele abaseshi basebenZisana nomshushia nihola ngobugebena. Mxxx
@SibusisoNsibande-j6r
@SibusisoNsibande-j6r 7 ай бұрын
Losathane ongu Sibanda uyadakwa nje ufuna kuphendulwe okufunwa nguye lo msunu
@mtshengisenimasoka1394
@mtshengisenimasoka1394 7 ай бұрын
The interpretor is faling the witness to answer the questions....the interpretor interpret wrongly.
@thokomasondo9687
@thokomasondo9687 7 ай бұрын
So true and no one is interjecting,I wish Mshololo was not angry with the Rathacos she knows Zulu well
@YTL-hi5ll
@YTL-hi5ll 7 ай бұрын
True, I am not Zulu but the little I can hear; He is failing big time
@kingphoka-uf5tk
@kingphoka-uf5tk 7 ай бұрын
in this part of evidence the state wants to prove that, the 1st and 2nd accused were not 1. Intimidated, 2. Tortured, 3. Abused, and 4. Coerced to sign documents. That the accused made a "confessions" a. Volunteery, and b. Without being assaulted. According to my little knowledge, the state has dismally failed so far to dispute the fact that, accused persons were not beaten up by the police. That's why the state has brought so many witnesses to explain processes at police stations, that were never being followed. It is a well known facts that police always do something else and when being asked about it they'll ran to protocols and standard procedures. We all know that
@zodwazithulelembatha5048
@zodwazithulelembatha5048 7 ай бұрын
Nonsense questions Sibanda
@SidumoNgetu
@SidumoNgetu 7 ай бұрын
No this interpretor is misleading the court cz he is not saying word by word what Mr Ntanzi is saying👀
@Eu68345
@Eu68345 7 ай бұрын
Kwafa uSenzo wabulawa ngubani kuphi Protea North ubuza umbuzo ongasile lesi sithutha
@underdog209
@underdog209 7 ай бұрын
I think you need to educate yourself.
@leeta28
@leeta28 7 ай бұрын
@@underdog209he seriously needs to 🤦🏽‍♀️
@francismnyele
@francismnyele 7 ай бұрын
The accused says, emini. The translator say, afternoon. Now the prosecutor latches on afternoon and finds fault with the accused
@LinkieLedwaba
@LinkieLedwaba 7 ай бұрын
Some how I am buying Ntanzi's story, I think he is being framed 😮
@sphamasuku2302
@sphamasuku2302 7 ай бұрын
Mxm lo Sibande uzenza usiyazi engazilutho uyazifanela nje nami ngingayfundelanga lenyo yakhe
@abudlkader927
@abudlkader927 7 ай бұрын
What is surprising is that a garage is a busy place. Do u think the police would so dumb to assault someone in a busy place?
@sphesihlengema8434
@sphesihlengema8434 7 ай бұрын
It was during covid
@Ms_Mankotham
@Ms_Mankotham 7 ай бұрын
Did they assault him at the garage?
@MxolisiMaduna-o9m
@MxolisiMaduna-o9m 7 ай бұрын
​@@sphesihlengema8434COVID or not the garage still operates and it can only operate when clients come through so yes it's busy
@neogiven2307
@neogiven2307 7 ай бұрын
It's was during lock down
@Adjudicator246
@Adjudicator246 7 ай бұрын
The asault at the 'garbage dumping site' vs AVL showing no stoppage will need to be addressed by the defence. Especially since the judge is of the opinion that there is no 'garbage dumping site' in the area.
@musicforrelaxation6786
@musicforrelaxation6786 7 ай бұрын
All long i thought Sibanda was educated.
@mbalenhlengwazi2305
@mbalenhlengwazi2305 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@Dr_RisimatiMathye
@Dr_RisimatiMathye 7 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@BonganiMncube
@BonganiMncube 7 ай бұрын
Shaya ngesintu nkabi
@MelusiMgazi
@MelusiMgazi 7 ай бұрын
I hope the court understands that saying "iphutha"is the way of showing respect infact ntanzi is supposed to say "amanga"
@PAPA777_
@PAPA777_ 7 ай бұрын
Did they adjourn for today?
@nonikomaluleks317
@nonikomaluleks317 7 ай бұрын
Yes
@rugtorichies3909
@rugtorichies3909 7 ай бұрын
Oh sibindi or sibande
@KennyMulaudzi
@KennyMulaudzi 7 ай бұрын
And what was adv Sibande supposed to ask cos his proving beyond doubt that the said accused was not assaulted
@Kgolo-tf2so
@Kgolo-tf2so 7 ай бұрын
So many lies
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