Senzo Meyiwa murder trial | 25 April 2024

The Senzo Meyiwa murder trial continues at the High Court in Pretoria.
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[@stevenkkamutanho4621]

I'm heartbroken it's sad how this judge is talking on behalf of the state he is so emotional He is like a gay partner of Baloyi always having funny fascial expression towards Baloyi He is very slow acting like a old illiterate moron who just got to enchelonces by nomination The way h talk about years of experience and how he is behaving on this case is very antagon The defendant is bringing very qualified evidence but still Ratha is jumping between circles and lines I wish if this case investigation are done by international police which doesn't care who is Gininda Kelly Zandi or Twala 2014 till today no one knows who shot Senzo yet he was shot in front of people yerrre kukunya oku Ngumnqundu straight nokqhela umdeni wokwa Meyiwa ikaka If I start highlighting the issue of stupid second docket I will literally cry 375 is the real deal And kuphela kwala case zonke must go into prison

[@nqobilencube2259]

Ungathi wazithenga lezi ncwandi every two minutes I have 50 years of this and that sometime we just want to see experience in his action

[@thokomsweli6174]

I wonder if this judge ever sit and watch these proceedings after hours 😢how does he feel watching himself?

[@simonmogoatlhe8450]

😂😂😂

[@Constance-dm8hr]

​@@thokomsweli6174I ask myself the same questions, even about the annoying and irritating sound he makes with the pen.

[@Sfiso-g4u]

Remember that the defence lawyers have a right to remove the judge if he is wrong,your problem is you want the judge to be on your side

[@ConnieMorake]

Everything is cooked, the judge knows it too. What I know, karma knows the address and all those who were cooking that pot will never find peace in their lifetime.. WATCH that space.

[@TheLan70]

Amen

[@sushelarajkumar367]

Well said well said IF ONLY THEY KNOW HOW THEY WILL PAY THEN THEY WILL STOP THIS CRAP IMMEDIATELY..

[@TendaiTauro]

You nailed it

[@legran25]

Senzo just had to stay with his legally and traditionally recognised wife, which he chose. No one forced him to chose a wife. Senzo was the problem!

[@dannym7593]

You're version is also cooked and no evidence. At least the State is bringing evidence forward

[@colinvadival6004]

Since he a retired old judge and cannot be fired can he not be taken up to the South African Human Rights Commission.? Fo4 the disrespect towards defense, aggressive attitudes, mocking behavior in the court and always insulting black people,.

[@VivianFuneka]

I wish the can be a place were we can write to for this judge to be rescued, I'm sick and tired of him lenja yexhego

[@Chibvunza]

​@VivianFuneka banyise king Ratha😂😂😂😂😂.Lol I don't Wana start the trial afresh so this judge is OK

[@nette2144]

"What's your problem?" - Wooow! This man is out of touch with reality. Is this how you interact with colleagues, even if you disagree with them? Woow!

[@ntsindisogontsi]

He has that tendency of undermining nd weighng the experience of His colleagues , by the way he thinks of himself as the owner of the law

[@zukisanimarula9417]

This is to put him in Jouburg when that killing happened. He then left to KZN in December.

[@mazwideamahle4091]

True, and also deposited some of the" proceeds " in his bank account.

[@juniormaila6712]

Even the phone call if is proven that it happened between Kelly n ntuli there's no law which says is criminal offense to call ntuli. The state must bring the contents of the conversation.

[@nosiphomkhize9264]

😂wow

[@dannym7593]

Fine that's why soon she'll be called to come explain. Fact remains, someone died, and the girlfriend had communications with the nkabis before and after the murder. If you don't find this suspicious then you're ignorant

[@juniormaila6712]

@dannym7593 lol dts not how the law works remember guilty should be proven beyond reasonable doubt. We can just come to conclusions without getting corroborating evidence to substantiate the phone call evidence. That's how Law of evidence works

[@juniormaila6712]

@nosiphomkhize9264 lol hahaha that's reality there's no section in our law which says to call a particular person it is criminal offense.

[@juniormaila6712]

@dannym7593 in law we don't work with suspicious we work with evidence. Suspicious is more of speculation cs u don't have facts to substantiate ur suspicions that's why wen a policeman suspect you hv committed a crime they will arrest u n go back to gather evidence to prove their suspicions if they can't prove beyond reasonable doubt then the court will release the accused. That's our law no 1 can be prosecuted based on suspicions NO

[@nelsonmubayira7385]

Why Sgt Mabena did not interpret for Mr Ntanzi if the language was a problem? I am sure Isindebele is closer to Isizulu.

[@Chibvunza]

Ntanzi is setting himself up .Baloyi will call his supervisor to confirm that he can talk and read English even though highest grade passed was grade 11

[@rita_TM]

I wish we could see these pointing-out photos...what do they prove? a more credible piece of evidence would be a video of the pointing out and the confessions.

[@malakyaweh4787]

R4.60 or below R10 was for WITHDRAWAL FEE, meaning thats the money they get charged everytime they withdraw money....some of you guys are STUPID!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@paulantoniolesaoana9250]

How interesting it is to see how some state advocates are so ADVANCED IN TECHNOLOGY. THEY CAN FROM THE ATM MAKE SOME DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWALS OF SUCH SMALL AMOUNTS LIKE 20 CENTS/ R4.55. Baloyi will call an economist to come and tell the court what is a bank charge

[@babiligeorge3377]

i have a ask. when taking those swaps , did you inform the accused that it is in connection to the murder of Senzo Meyiwa

[@nontuthuzelombuthuma5864]

Yes because vayasho imayelana nayiphi I case

[@NeoK489]

Tipping of finger/ pen is soo irritating 😢😢

[@ASHBRO481]

That pen is so irritating serious

[@VioletLetsie-zq8ry]

State please step out judge,this man using favour in this case. We are not happy with him.thank you☹️

[@violetposwa707]

Which enough evidence does Ratha have to take these guys down unless you are telling us that Ratha is already been paid for this case.

[@jabubuthelezi4822]

If these people are innocent ,why do they keep on getting caught in lies ,,,some people are delusional 🙄

[@Nelani895]

My point exactly

[@zandilemazibuko2979]

Guys are you aware that judge Ratha used to play for Orlando pirates and he is a very close friend of Irvin Khoza...Now ask yourselves why was he taken from retirement to come and precide on this case?

[@mduduzigumede5662]

Dat true he actually played for Orlando Pirate as well as a defender

[@giftianomnculwani3455]

ADV Baloyi's eyes 😮

[@thabomadonsela4824]

how does buying airtime on an app show that you were vosloorus

[@Chibvunza]

he went inside the branch to ask for a new card,withdrew money at Naledi mall and lesedi all these places are in Vosloorus not in Kwanongoma

[@tsholonuza5283]

​@@Chibvunzayoooo

[@sphiwegamndane9207]

This judge is the leading witness for the state he makes sure he closes all cracks for the state he doesn't ask clearity questions that favours defence ... His already found them guilty even if longwe can come and admit that he killed senzo he wont believe him

[@isiahmagagula1694]

How did he get a job at the mine if he didn't understand English.

[@lindabenedictmdlalose8530]

Fanakalow even Indians speak it with the Zulu people, but because you were not that clever at school, it's not surprising that you don't know.

[@NeoK489]

Fanakalow. My dad also didn’t know English, he worked in the mines.

[@cbufakude4549]

Fuseg

[@YTL-hi5ll]

Have you been to the mines? We speak mine language there baba not English.

[@MANOMABOKI]

U dont need english to work in a mine

[@thembimadi9537]

This Judge will surprise us mina i trust him

[@siphonengu5436]

Why is the court still dealing with pointing outs and DNA stuff. I thought the pointing out were dealt with during a trial within a trial a ruling was given . I think the state is wasting time here. The DNA results are out. What's happening with this case

[@ASHBRO481]

Ratha he's always complaining that this matter it's an old matter,but they always call useless witness

[@Thabzalzk]

You can't use the evidence of trial within a trial during the trial. All those witnesses will have to return here

[@siphonengu5436]

@@Thabzalzk I thought since the pointing out was part of confessions or some sort of confession , we need not go back to that one

[@nosiphomkhize9264]

Me and you , they are wasting our time , they should have been talking about the confessions

[@petronkosi7422]

I hate Ratha shem..... Baloyi each time talking i feel like vomiting...

[@mazwideamahle4091]

The truth hurts neeh! n'thanda kabi amaConpiracy theories !

[@pumzilesiyokwana9786]

All the police that have come as witnesses in this case wanted to use their own language even though they know english but some people doesn't understand why Ntanzi say he doesn't understand english and Setswana,if the police need interpreter when they testify in court I see no reason they can't bring interpreter when dealing with the accused,they knew Ntanzi is a Zulu mos not a Tswane

[@josephselolo6437]

Ramosepele said he is not a zulu speaker but a Motswana. Ntanzi says he can't understand isizulu and setswana. In court I saw ramosepele consulting without an interpreter. How does Ntanzi understand?

[@nondumisomazibuko2867]

WOW so you don't know that Ramosepele can speak Isizulu​@@josephselolo6437

[@sindiswamabunda5627]

​@@josephselolo6437Ramosepele can speak IsiZulu there were voice recording if his speaking isizulu.

[@googlegoole4940]

​@@josephselolo6437do you think like this evryday or its only for today?

[@josephselolo6437]

Only for tomorrow 😂

[@KennyMulaudzi]

Accused 1 was in Gauteng when the killing of senzo happened so the story of him been in KZN until 2015 is a lie 😂😂😂😂😂😂 That version of cooked evidence doesn’t exist

[@mazwideamahle4091]

He was even buying loads of airtime in preparation of something.....

[@WandaGcaleka]

bayinqwaba abantu ababoshelwe amanga umakunje

[@lindabenedictmdlalose8530]

I think there should a documentary like Special Assignment or Cutting Edge and interview those people, a lot of similarities and common cause will surface, and some people's name will come up more once or twice. South Africa is a joke, a laughing stock, and most countries won't be interested in doing business with South Africa because there's no law.

[@VioletLetsie-zq8ry]

Ratha is a boring judge🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

[@ndumisomelusi]

Okay

[@Mregas1]

Is this judge a witness or what? 😠 😡

[@juniormaila6712]

In jhb I knw place where they are doing bank statements, payslip this it might be coming from there.

[@HarryMzwane]

That's 😂true but in this one is different 😂😂😂

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Why would a reputable institution like a bank and it's employees ruin their reputation to protect longwe ...banks lend out money, they survive on credibility and it's employees stand to lose their careers in the event of such transgressions.....they are not talking about ANY bank here.....this is one of the BIG 4.....think again!

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Vodacom/MTN is coming soon to give evidence. Their statements are in order and very clear, you people will be pulling your hair out!😅

[@MalibongweNtweni-qo7rk]

Ratha will convict these guys, Mngomezulu and them cannot discredit these witnesses....My goodness, how can you discredit a witness on direction to Voslorus....😂

[@BeeKay542]

Directions to crime scene was only known to cops and they went straight there. Meaning accused never directed and pointing out was part of forced confessions. Hence 2 version's of what transpired in the car??

[@YTL-hi5ll]

Adv Mngomezulu did a great job. The witness needed to give evidence on what Accused #1 said. He couldn't, which might be aligned with the vision of the accused that he never said anything to them. They took him there. If he didn't direct them to there, then pointing outs are questionable. Strengthening the defense for Accused #1. The saw called his confession, and the investigating team said he was misleading them. Remember beyond reasonable doubt in a normal circumstances.

[@BeeKay542]

Judge keeps interfering asking witness where you there when Hadebe was testifying he even says "please". I'm glad you see where Mngo was going 👊🏾

[@thokomsweli6174]

Ratha always rebut what defence ask witnesses at the end 😮

[@nomusaletseka3290]

Ngyazibuza ukuthi kungani njalo nje ijaji licimela ofakazi iso yooh.

[@DaveGarySue1673-q7l]

This simple case will take another 10 years before it ends.

[@mazwideamahle4091]

How is it simple when there's a minimum of 5 versions.

[@DaveGarySue1673-q7l]

@@mazwideamahle4091 From my intelligent perspective this is simple case.

[@legran25]

Accused 1 &3 we’re in the house and I think at last minute accused3 gave 1 the gun. It was his initiation.

[@Isaacubisi-v1w]

I think 1 was outside 2and3 went inside nd the aim was to stage a robbery so that senzo won't go to the party nd stay with Kelly but unfortunately senzo wanted to be a hero nd the shooting had to happen and I also suspect longwe nd Kelly planned this or only Kelly hence her communication with accused no 5

[@mazwideamahle4091]

So people hire inkabis to prevent their boyfriends from attending parties ...yoh! There's money eMzansi mos!

[@KagisoModise-xq8ux]

Yooo R12 airtime why not buy R30😂😂

[@bekezelamazana5704]

Ubufakazi abufani ngitsho ngitsho... jaji awuboni ngani

[@RachelNosipho-vk4cf]

What's with the reading of accounts what you trying to prove Baloyi team

[@nomfundoshezi3511]

His placing Muzi in JHB in 2014

[@thokomsweli6174]

@@nomfundoshezi3511did he say he was not in Jozi in October 2014?

[@Chibvunza]

He even paid for his learners using this account, we are proving he was in Gautenf and he can't deny that because he made a replacement card.No one else can do that for you +phone numbers

[@thokomsweli6174]

@@Chibvunza so he did those transactions at Kelly’s house?

[@mazwideamahle4091]

​@@thokomsweli6174around KK'S area yes!

[@gladysmkhize4085]

This is the big pot the bank is also in this recipe of this food nice

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Yoh! The country with the most reputable banks in the world is using its pride of the nation to save Longwe....Hai!!!! does it make sense kodwa!

[@gladysmkhize4085]

The bank is telling the truth this information is in the bank system how many ppl are cooking this case come on ppl

[@thokomsweli6174]

Sibanda’s is annoying 🤮🤮🤮

[@Constance-dm8hr]

Very annoying!!

[@Nelani895]

Because he place sibiya in volso while he is suppose to in dbn?

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Mara the truth hurts vele mahn!

[@thembelihlesibisi1894]

Engabe kudlelelwan ngath

[@ntsindisogontsi]

adv Sibande is a Ndebele not foregn [er]

[@matushezi4693]

Ayikho lento

[@VivianFuneka]

Ntanzi with English and Sistwana😂😂 😂

[@sethembamaduma5262]

Exactly my point

[@samolesesa132]

What suprises you about that cause ntanzi's girlfriend from phokeng is a tswana so tell me they were communicating?

[@Constance-dm8hr]

​@@samolesesa132what makes you think that she doesn't know Isizulu?

[@samolesesa132]

How do you know ntanzi doesn't understand setswana

[@lwazimangquku2219]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@gladysmkhize4085]

Mngomezulu asking useless questions wasting time

[@Constance-dm8hr]

@gladysmkhize4085 those questions were not useless. Mngomezulu wants to show that the witnesses lied about being given the directions by accused 1.

[@masithembengqolozana1004]

Tell us ke,what he was supposed to ask cause u know????

[@thokozanikhumalo1223]

Uthukile

[@KennyMulaudzi]

He was directed you can’t expect him to remember everything yena Mngomezulu is taking advantage because he knows the place so that’s why the Captain even said let’s go there I’ll show you

[@shadiphatlhane6156]

It's game over for this, guys. Even the defense can not save them.

[@nosiphomkhize9264]

😂yet some of us haven’t realised the reality of the matter

[@ndumisomelusi]

Okay

[@musabaloyi7776]

Dis guys are going down no ways its game over.

[@gertrudemabunda4105]

I dnt think Soo,there long way to go,wil still goner hear surprises

[@sushelarajkumar367]

😂😂😂😂😂 stop dreaming

[@TendaiTauro]

Too early bhuti

[@HarryMzwane]

​@@gertrudemabunda4105without any doubts 😂😂😂😂

[@zwelimkhize3071]

They started by saying abazani. but eish so many evidence has been led. even the girlfriend of acc 3, Mncube the gun man that they were driving all together with a combi when she met him. Please stop Mngo he is digging the grave of his client. Stop makimg statements about abo Chico and this township language. eg Twala has a gun, he shot himself. No evidence as. such has been led. Now. his clients will be asked to explain these statements and he will be saying . Mngo was saying what he didn't instructed him. to say. Ratha likes those😢 atterrences.

[@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682]

🤷🏿‍♀️where is the arrogant nyatsi and her crew from that spaza house🤮10yrs but bank records are incomplete its obvious they are tampered with🚩

[@africanprince3254]

How are they incomplete, a statement is a 100% record of any transaction in that particular account, how can any info be missing?

[@africanprince3254]

And the more they deny, boom cameras around those places might be acquired to prove

[@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682]

@@africanprince3254 disnt you hear shangwari say its still in process??they gut no info of ALL how do you listen please?

[@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682]

@@africanprince3254 thats what we want isnt it?if its them they should be charged,we ALL want nothing but the truth are we together?

[@Chibvunza]

Lol Ramosepele was going to get an accountant to rebut the statement sika Ntanzi produced by the state 9 months ago ,and he still hasn't 2.Lol defence is desperate they emphasize 38 revolver because their ballistic expert couldn't rebut the evidence of Mr Mangena we ballistic trained by FBI🫅

[@klentjie]

Not everyone was bought here others were used

[@LuluBee-bx8oy]

Indeed

[@sushelarajkumar367]

I c that now

[@malusilinganiso3862]

The eye blinking of Ratha to his witnesses is on its own the way of saying don't worry I'll cover you. Yesterday he did it to Mamfundisi and today he did again to the lady doing swabs.

[@colinvadival6004]

How come the JP is allowing all this bs behavior from this judge. Also why does he always mock black people time and time again what race does he think he is. This behavior is not acceptable guys people of mzanzi got to rise up against this judge satan

[@VivianFuneka]

I thought it's me alone that saw him blinking the eye on witness yaz

[@thandikote878]

He's been doing that to the state witnesses​@@VivianFuneka

[@masochas1314]

Not only withdrawing around JHB but also in Voslorus irself!

[@mazwideamahle4091]

And buying airtime to call the other inkabis!

[@colinvadival6004]

Mocking black people again what bs is this guys😡

[@SonOfTheSoil834]

Apartheid goverment strategies has done a lot of damage , expecially psychological damage to us as black people 🤞🏽🤞🏽

[@colinvadival6004]

@@SonOfTheSoil834 I agree totally but can you please explain why is he always mocking black people in open court?

[@ConnieMorake]

He thinks he is a white man.

[@zandilemazibuko2979]

Guys are you aware that judge Ratha used to play for Orlando pirates and he is a very close friend of Irvin Khoza...Now ask yourselves why was he taken from retirement to come and precide on this case?

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Yes we are, and he even founded Keizer chiefs with Motaung and also played soccer along Mthoko Twala's father.

[@nombangokubheka2170]

😮

[@Ribby-x7y]

But why is this Judge not greeting people in the morning. He just says" yes Mr Baloyi. At lunch he says 2 o clock. Joo l remember Chief Justice at the commission, he was so professional.

[@botanamahlaba7252]

Ntanzi says he does not understand tswana but he once had tswana girlfriend and he was staying with batswana nation in rusternburg

[@VioletLetsie-zq8ry]

Is ratha a judge or a witness? Hai this man ke lemenemene

[@Chibvunza]

Bopha king Ratha .I am happy they are reading transactions into record .This thing of admitting these things in private like Ramosepele requests is making this case vulnerable to youtube conspiracy theorists

[@dannym7593]

😂😂

[@thokozanikhumalo1223]

Kort kort lawyers are consulting with accursed this never happened during our time

[@emilysimelane6376]

It never happened because we were deprived of our rights

[@VioletLetsie-zq8ry]

This case is nt casering

[@EssenKuhanga]

The truth here is that longwe accidentally shot senzo while senzo and kelly were separating the fight between zandile and longwe, realizing that senzo fell down and died instantly is whereby kelly organize these known hitmen( accused) to cover up the whole incident and they even left with the alleged firearm! I rest my case

[@kingphoka-uf5tk]

there's a photos of many suspects and people believed to be a crime perpetuate, in the police data e.g CID department, CI department and HAWKS as much Kininda squad so it was easy for them, just to pick those they believe that this crime could fit them well.

[@dannym7593]

​@@kingphoka-uf5tkAre u hearing yourself, these nkabis are guilty as charged, no way around it

[@kingphoka-uf5tk]

@@dannym7593 do you have a knowledge on how police are profiling suspects and people of interest in a police database? There's no way intruders especially Carrer criminals could've left all valuable items and run out on foot. I hear myself well, the question is do you?

[@mazwideamahle4091]

​@kingphoka-uf5tk but they were there to kill not to steal, and they didn't just flee on foot, they had a getterway car waiting at the park....surely they didn't wanna be spotted getting into that car ....that would have exposed them .

[@mazwideamahle4091]

Ok'salayo Nthabiseng said she saw Longwe running past their car, at that very moment a gun went-off......3 shots were fired and Longwe was NOT in the house.

[@PromiseBrown-yy5lh]

Evidence of the main witness is needed.The trial own.t be closed before that evidence.That is law.

[@Chibvunza]

main witness that was going to be truthful was Christian ingane ka jub jub and kelly ,but Kelly refused for the child to be interviewed .allegedly

[@MncedisiMaseko]

Who killed Senzo? not this bloody Transaction's reading's Singenaphi kodwa

[@thabomokone-n6b]

Who opened tge cell in pta North n closed it. Because the lady said she left them with the accused

[@zinhle4556y]

Hhayi bo ake nisikhulumele nale jaji lenu ngalesgubhu asishayayo siyasinyanyisa

[@sefudimeshack5946]

4:44:28 what's a meaning of that signal

[@lollypopy5813]

ratha ontse a tswela pele a tsipela witness leihlo

[@ntsindisogontsi]

R12 for mtn yooy hyoo

[@rita_TM]

uSbanda nepopo?

[@qiniselahlangu-in2tz]

Lobaba kanti uyini ngempela judge or ukhulumela ofakazi or ungufakazi yen self zishaph ngempela ngalon

[@tsholonuza5283]

All in one

[@LedwabaJohannes]

Shame Senzo🤔

[@MalibongweNtweni-qo7rk]

Yeses......Abakwazidenge....

[@Mapancho10]

Ratha is Prosecutor No. 1 and Baloyi is Prosecutor No. 2. Captured Judge. PERIOD!!!

[@Maduvha25]

Ratha has enough evidence to convict these guys

[@juniormaila6712]

I don't which country r u from or which law r u reading so far there's no evidence to link the suspects even the DNA excluded all suspects wat we want is the DNA on hat to be conducted to all people in the house u will see it will match them

[@rosiajubeni2920]

Which evidence of my ask 😢

[@gertrudemabunda4105]

Never, he knows the truth

[@LeeYD2019]

What evidence or you mean the lies?

[@thokomsweli6174]

He doesn’t have evidence, he has a brown envelope!

[@TheresaBanda-j8f]

Mashele bamsebezisile la futhi uthukile umorgirl