Senzo Meyiwa Murder Trial | 29 August 2023

[@SteaksWaban2]

This judge is Rubbish 😢😢, why pull this long face everytime the defense asks questions. AKAKHISHWE!!

[@keneuwemahlangu6842]

South Africa has the best lawyers come on👏👏👏👏👏 shooo dat was deep 🙌

[@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682]

What a depressing and emotional day eish i bet none watched this without tearing the two women from Meyiwa were even crying too.I know my Teffoonation would have cried too the way he is into this case eish.Its devastating indeed,wish his mom could be strengthened in this difficult time!Itjooo 10:10 - 12:30 and 1 witness per day metlholo ka nnete,sataforika ke matlakala fela!🇿🇦🚮👎🏿🚩 #Justic4senzo #releaseTeffoonation #rathaBeNEUTRAL #ARRESTkellyAndCrew 🇩🇪🇧🇼😡💔

[@malatjijohannes8722]

Teffonation was right and the so called law experts the were always against Adv Malesela Teffo I'm suprise why are we in this mess as the country with so many lawyers who don't even know South Africa is an illegal state with this Roman Dutch statute

[@elizabethmakaleng267]

Thank you. That's everything what Teffo said and people attacked Teffo social media. I feel sorry for Senzo family and don't care about people attacking Teffo. TEFFO is our HERO

[@mrsboingotlopolitebucksch4682]

@@elizabethmakaleng267 can you inagine mma eish they said wa gafa ibile wa spita/phapha but uf ir wasnt for him we would still be in darkness!Hope they wont eliminate him the way he is hated by you guys there eish,he knew how corrupt gininda is but they take long to bring him le bo kelly!They waste our data ka unneccessary ppl may the Lord wipe our tears

[@timothytshepothobane915]

As u said,it was not a normal day,hence cut short,I was also not gonna be able to handle the fotos long time,is emotional & deserve counselling,I only sow them once

[@timothytshepothobane915]

It is true,but we all need to help Teffo & he get counselling as well,today's witness further threw the state's case in dissaray bcos he told the court that the deceased wouldn't reach 5 minutes with the wound he sustained,basically meaning that when they took him to hospital,he might have already departed bcos his body was abnormally too heavy

[@paminasimutototi9935]

Judge why not allowing the dr to respond ,rather than give your own version.. why intervening with your own assertions

[@malatjijohannes8722]

Brown envelope is involve

[@nomoyamnisi876]

When is Kelly’s mother coming? I want to see if she will speak the truth since she is now converted “born again” after that incident of Senzo🤔

[@buyixaba6024]

Hawe jeso😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@masochas1314]

The eye witnesses have really messed up! None of their versions make sense to the doctor! Thumbs up Mr Minisi! I'm surprised Mr Baloyi couldn't even challenge it! To me, the state's case has gone up in smoke!

[@Lovetvsa]

Eye witnesses are the most unreliable witnesses, hence the court resorts to forensic evidence bcoz it's a factual or conclusive evidence and no lawyer can win against it cos it's irrebuttable, they can only ask around in the manner was collected that's all......I loved that profession❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@chad4898]

​@@Lovetvsaya hope the same court will reliy on th DNA evidens

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

Advocate Nxumalo just made an important point as to where Khaya Ngcatshe found the deceased lying there would have been blood on the floor but when police got there no sign of blood was discovered in the kitchen

[@sammymokgosi3615]

How was the deceased lying on his chest or sideways or on his back

[@stanleykhumalo5158]

@@sammymokgosi3615 no matter which way he was lying there was supposed to be blood stains or spots in the kitchen cos the pathologist said his clothes were wet because of the blood

[@Sparkleblisss]

Mthoko also said when they put Senzo in the car he was lying on top of them n Mthoko further said his trousers had blood.

[@nombuzoedithmahlangu3755]

Khaya said he was facing up

[@Sparkleblisss]

Exactly there should be blood where he was lying in the sitting room

[@Lovetvsa]

What a great clear testimony Doc. This is how i used to give testimonials as forensic expert in my time.

[@NomhleCekiso-ho3cy]

I think the judge is disturbing the defense team maan.

[@SimonMaila-g5r]

Mshololo ❤i😅🎉😮❤ love 💕 you sham u are the boss ❤️ mama lv u

[@sphadee]

Yes Judge he is Doctor, forensic pathologists are physicians trained in traditional medicine and the forensic sciences

[@Lovetvsa]

I miss my days at forensics tjooo, i was making saps proud and most prosecutors knew me when i was the state witness that suspect is going down, but saps became corrupt senior officials started stealing evidence from my crime scene to keep the thieves out of jail and keeping themselves on the gangster's payroll, then i decided to quit as it was against my norms and values.

[@malatjijohannes8722]

The never gived brown envelope?

[@FokxMofokeng-gi7ci]

Why the state never call Mrs steenkamp to testify before the ballistic expert.

[@FokxMofokeng-gi7ci]

Because Mrs steenkamp know the type of a firearm that shot senzo from the evidence of tumelo madlala

[@thokozanikhumalo1223]

Still coming dear

[@KalaneMnguni-ls1mj]

i totally hate this judge...he likes to intervene into the witnesses corner... that is poor judgement... let the witnesses answer their questions... this will jeopardize the case.. the defence will cite that at the end... very poor judgement mr judge...

[@LuciusBongo]

People were complaining Dr is technical and don't hear anything. Then they heard "squirting" 😂 the rest is history

[@maletsanankala9866]

This case😢😢 how possible is it that there is exit wound on the back of the deceased and there was no blood on the floor, and we are made to believe that all the blood got absorbed on the clothes and contained in the chest😢😢 or am I lost...there should be a pool of blood where the deceased was found lying.

[@pakamagomo3325]

If a person is shot whether contact or not,with exit wound there can never be no blood on the surroundings. Definitely there was a cleanup

[@nomfundontshangase8124]

Confirmed! Senzo died inside the house. They took him to the hospital to cover up and clean up kancane endlini, ayikh lento I'm glad kusenabanye abazayo what lies will they tell the court, please consider the second docket.

[@oscarmaluzani-xv3yp]

Why they call the doctor before they call all those who we're inside to testimony

[@SonOfTheSoil834]

No need to call everyone who was there ..but yes longwe will need to come and explain some few staff..the problem is witness availability so they can go systematically

[@malatjijohannes8722]

Baloyi still busy coaching on them

[@dlalabuja1]

Before hospital, house witnesses were supposed to have all testified and then we here from those who were not there 😢

[@moetitekanyo400]

Were supposed?what a joke, do you know something about law

[@dlalabuja1]

@@moetitekanyo400 No, I don't but we will forget what those in the house said. One after another it would be easy to remember and notice

[@Bybisom]

Lol fortunately, people who need to remember everything are taking notes. If you ask the judge what was said on day 1, he will tell you

[@dlalabuja1]

@@Bybisom as it in public. That means there is a acknowledgement of the public and respect. Stay strong friends of .......

[@lettiemobe2475]

The court was so painful 😭 today 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@ntombi4160]

A job well done Mr mnisi and mr nxumalo

[@lungamavela4288]

Painful moment💔😭

[@mazwakhevezi9979]

This judge have a problem with Nxumalo everytime he will make him as his dom

[@pakamagomo3325]

Shem😂😂😂

[@MillyMilkUbisi]

Where do we report this judge 😢

[@kennethjonathan3558]

The doctor said he died within minutes,so the hospital should say the same DOA, There was blood but it was cleaned out, obvious The defence should of asked the doctor he should kindly show them the position Zenso was in when he was shot, because the doctor said he was shot at an angle,the defence must ask proper objective questions,

[@mbusomngoma1214]

Still no guilty conscious from the witnesses after this testimony just to tell the truth for Senzo's family's closure😟

[@krishnareddy4423]

The judge criticized Advocate Mnisi for having been to a school that did not Teach he English Language the wayhe had learnt English. While he himself uses the word Diction instead of vocabulary.He thanked Adv.Baloi for borrowing him some books.The correct word is lending.

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

💔💔💔😭😭😭 there was no way he would have survived this attack. Kwaze kwabuhlungu 🥺🥺. If they had just let him leave when he wanted to leave while standing outside we wld not be here.

[@nomzamondlovu2558]

The problem started when they say akazovalelisa angene ngaphakathi for the second time,

[@simonrapulamotsilili4855]

Only if the walls could talk 😔

[@Kotieh]

@hildamonama9397, I also need clarity Dr said trackpants and witnesses said jeans😮 also the Dr said DNA sample was taken from Senzo's nails and none of defense attorneys are pressing on what the findings were😢

[@pakamagomo3325]

I was also waiting for that

[@thizaman1972]

These Lawyers now seem to have been stripped of their self esteems by this grandstanding Judge, they are now all failing to even ask basic questions, as the judge recently seemed to criticise their vocabulary.

[@nombuzoedithmahlangu3755]

They are actually My Lord uyadika

[@pakamagomo3325]

Even disappointed by Mshololo, I thought she would dwell on the absence of blood smudge on the floor, showing the clean up of the scene

[@mmerekomoshomo5412]

Some lawyers are astute , some lawyers are lame.... I mean for a Judge to correct a defence lawyer many times in the context of questions asked , I would shiver if I was the one being defended.

[@malatjijohannes8722]

That mr know everything he just there to disturb defense lawyers

[@nomavosomhlahlo2944]

So He died in the House - they all lied that He was still breathing in the car.

[@sushelarajkumar367]

Demons

[@LindaMtiya-hb3nv]

I knew it the day one of them testified how heavy he was and it was clear to me that the chances he was already no more are 99%

[@AdvDeNovo]

So that question from the state of how long it took for the bullet to pass through and how long it took for the victim to start bleeding is meant to explain why the bullet found was clean. I have never heard of any more ridiculous proposition

[@malatjijohannes8722]

I think i know you

[@braeemmaa]

He actually died from cardiac arrest and Respiratory arrest, the cause of which being Hypovolemia from heamorrhagic shock, Massive Hemothorax and Right lung lacerations from a penetrating projectile(Bullet). The death certifying form should have direct (primary) cause of death and related (secondary) cause of death as well as any other known illnesses, chronic or acute.

[@siphotshabalala9398]

Ushaye eskhonkosini

[@Kotieh]

Someone with lacerations in the heart was still alive when driven to the hospital 😢hhayi guys

[@amogelangphiri9821]

Basically he died from internal bleeding 💔💔😔😔this is so tragic 😭😭

[@imogenemathe6723]

I’ve had enough of this judge this is so annoying and disrespectful

[@mmerekomoshomo5412]

This judge is knowledgeable. ❤❤❤

[@malatjijohannes8722]

Crock judge mr tsibinki

[@Lovetvsa]

I can't wait for ballistic expertise to tell us the external ballistic including the possibly bullet hole on the door to reveal which side was the attacker standing.😊😊

[@LulamileTshitshiba]

The Prosecution has mountain to climb: Position of the bullet entrance, blood stains drippings and cleaning of scene. The six adults inside the house have a lot to explain. Were their clothes have blood stains or droplet? Who was the first to pick the late Senzo after first bullet entrance? The Pathologist did not give the time of death, its opportunity missed.😮😮😮😮😮😮😢😢

[@leleti_]

The doctor that declared his death might possibly be called to testify on that

[@LindaMtiya-hb3nv]

But he mentioned that he only survived few minutes, it is possible that by the time they take him to hospital he was already no more because basho nabo uba wayesinda kakhulu

[@Lovetvsa]

Stopping the blood cloth might or might not assist in trying to save victim's life, if injury is on vital organs sternum region you rather let him bleed to release blood from filling the sternum cavity, meaning you can only attempt to stop the bleeding on if other parts of the body are injured. Hope you're learning as this trial goes on .

[@buyisiwemasondo2079]

Can't the gentleman behind Baloyi jus cut everything off what's left of his hair😮 kuyahlekwa noma kufiwe bafethu 😅

[@nosiphovee2022]

😂😂😂😂

[@sibusisosithole1982]

The defence is so poor. Jah neh, you overhyped this Moshololo

[@Lovetvsa]

As an expert, something doesn't add up here, if it was a real shooting why would the people clean the crime scene, like to cover what? And crime scene investigator failed to spray luminol that reveals cleaned blood and cleaning wipe marks of the mop or of a cleaning cloth , haybo she really let the state down.

[@hildamonama9397]

Wearing Jean as said by Zandi but doctor said he was wearing tracksuit bathong help if am rong😮

[@NontoMpanza]

You're quite right

[@riruakomeheke1939]

These translations are too Englished 😢😢😢😢

[@mazandlovu8174]

mshololo is true to ask qualifications its very important because it has an impact you can not perform duties which is errelavant according to your qualifications that may cause a big mess being a teacher i cannot perform doctors duties i can cause a big mess which will be an impack in this issue well mshololo thumb up you are so intelligent by asking qualifications thats why even i munisipalilties they always mess up becauce ofvin equavalent qualifications well continue loving lady with asking them about their qualifications thumb up young lady

[@sannaswartbooi5978]

Did the doctor tell us the time of death? if yes does it match with what the witness are saying

[@anniemanda-qh2sj]

He died right inside the house

[@lungamavela4288]

Adv Ramosepele your Questioning is out of line this the Doctor not a police

[@cta94840]

Hai his questions didn't make sense

[@sqrd3536]

Sad really. So it was a close range shot🤔. Really awful

[@prosperplumbers5098]

Does he got shooted twice ,so it not a robery its a hit.

[@abdushakoorjamalmokalane1719]

Its very clear the deseased was shot deliberately ,a premeditated murder

[@mzecara1676]

Longwe Kelly makhumalo Zandi tumelo mthoko your Doomed,your Days are numbered

[@sushelarajkumar367]

Yes yes yes n there r a few others 2....uncle themba...ma phiri .. N ntabasing

[@Vuyisani]

I would be annoyed too if i was the judge, the lawyers' clients' version is that they were not there and they know nothing about this case... and their lawyers are busy nitpicking and arguing with witnesses that have not implicated them... yho!

[@SylviaKhuks]

Love the doc, straight forward

[@Lovetvsa]

Eye witnesses can lie for their different reasons but at forensics we reveal all what has occurred on those final minutes to heart stop .

[@florencemokoena5334]

For the mere fact that the right lung collapsed due to diminished blood loss ; and the right lung engorged with blood the demise was at the stage of collaps as a result of difficult in breathing therefore death was eminent bcos the two organs are vital in blood regurgulation that is the hart as well as the lungs he was gasping

[@Tayma11June]

Jugde has created an ugly atmosphere of interjecting inside court. Now the advocates are also doing it.

[@Sparkleblisss]

I can't wait for the judgement day people who were in the house ngaze nganizwela nonke

[@MsimangoNews]

Captain Mnisi is the captain fantastic . Leading the team by example

[@barakasupAfrika]

He is promoted to CIC, Doctor and King of Systematic Legal Inquiry?

[@Lovetvsa]

Great 212 testimony my colleague ❤❤❤❤

[@MoiponeMartha-xy9wb]

I don't think will find justice for our beloved senzo ever as long judge keep interfering but big up to defence lawyer for accused no3 that lawyer

[@gertrudemabunda4105]

This judge why is he busy talking on behalf of the witness

[@noluvuyomalumbezo3747]

Dika le judge shame

[@tpm5273]

Mnisi called it! The angles provided on the testimony do not correlate with the Docs findings - bullet entrance and exit.

[@grecnioncarolus1531]

Senzo was shot while he was sitting on the couch.

[@asandakhuthu6088]

Yooh kwaze kwabuhlungu namhlanje

[@imogenemathe6723]

Why is the judge a witness

[@kennethjonathan3558]

Poor Zenzo died in the house,if the house culprits had nothing to do with it then why go through the extent of a cover up,only if one of them did it and there was no intruders,the whole scenario stinks,it's obvious that when Longwe ran out,he did it reactive to a person in shock at his deed,he ran to his father anyone in that state will run to someone who will protect him, Longwe was high and Kelly and Zandi made him high together with Mr Crutches,my opinion on viewing this case🤷

[@nomfundontshangase8124]

Whoever shot Senzo isbhamu was in contact with his skin😕yhoo rest in peace man,

[@Mntungwa77]

Thatha Mnisi Thata!!!

[@pressykancube4805]

Today the interpreter is in real trouble 😅

[@mhle32]

True hey😂😂😂😂

[@Pkmapson]

I wanted to send him an sms to say "pancreas" means ubende

[@123456789055377]

It is protocol(Hpcsa) to assume damage of the spinal cord at any trauma emergency therefore, it is lawful practice as a first aid emergency attendant to rather encourage to call the Ambulance and let the "stretcher" scenario according to miss Lovely Mshololo(Hot btw) be the better alternative. The fact that the medical expert here in his field has an opinon which rather compromse's the spinal cord is dodgy. In his declaration of this he has compromised his ethical standing.

[@linajenifer6949]

Babulele. Utwana. Wabathu. Kahlungu. Inkosi. Iyabona. Iyanzi. Sokhe. Sinzofa. Utholeni. B😭😭💔

[@ThokozaniMbele-hq6zq]

😢 this judge is rushing yhoooo😤

[@gilbertramaube4503]

Satane ke kgoro ya tseko yeo ebushang ke Madimone sis

[@zinzimfundisi9199]

Hate the judge

[@elizabethnjenje120]

Senzo was dead wirhin seconds they transported him he was dead ...in his car . Senzo was DEAD On Arrival (DOA)

[@sabeloshabane6433]

Hayi lo judge lo uyacika nje uthini methi please man 😢kusabuzwa kuphendule yena

[@thokozanikhumalo1223]

Poor level of cross-examination fry lawyers except Adv Mshololo

[@thandazambatha7037]

If Kelly wayengabazi lababantu yayingeke icleanwe iscene kuplantwe ne evidence engekho kumisleadwe amaphoyisa she's going down

[@edwardrakgwahla6654]

Two critical questions that dispute state witnesses

[@aneshsukdeo1960]

Well done accd 3 adv

[@mhle32]

Lung is called iphaphu nge Suzulu. Not isphungu😮…. Kungcono no kuthi uthi isphanga ngoba isphanga ilendawo ngezansi kovalo

[@nomfundontshangase8124]

Front, downward to the back, lateral to the body, mude umunt owadubula senzo🤔🤔🤔

[@Mntungwa77]

The judge is well read!

[@MkhuluMokoena]

His understanding of etching though leaves non to be desired

[@braeemmaa]

But he forgot that Zandile Khumalo went with a towel pressed on the chest to stop bleeding. If bleeding was not much and absorbed by the clothes, was there even need to use a towel to press on the wound? Him discrediting blood stains on the floor it's poor judgement and following through the case proceedings.

[@MkhuluMokoena]

@@braeemmaa and yet he claims that he listens to the evidence thoroughly and doesn’t forget, these are the traits his conduct shows ownership of them. He always brings that apartheid case to argue fairness of a trial proceedings yet when it’s the defence to him, but when it’s him interjecting questions by the defence based on his apparent understanding evidence of the witness that principle doesn’t apply. He may be read but his behaviour is questionable!

[@farmershope8650]

This judge hates the defence

[@skhumbuzompungose1208]

This is my judge

[@paminasimutototi9935]

ThiS judge , hay hay

[@MfanafuthiSimon]

Guys iqiniso nje lithi bayasukelwa basolwa..abakwakhumalo yibona ababulala u senzo thts all

[@perez3423]

Why was that guy angry when he came in the house and I bet 100%alc.in.looking at Senzo he wanted something from him allegedly.

[@moetitekanyo400]

I still stand with my words, accused 2 and 3 know something

[@XolaniNtusi]

😢😢😢😢 you so lost

[@southafricanfunandhorrorma5210]

Nope none of the accused is guilty

[@soccerlivenow365]

😂😂 With love stop nyawope

[@lungamavela4288]

Ur wrong

[@carolthandeka5454]

Yagula wena

[@aneshsukdeo1960]

The deceased did not die from a gun shot but lost of blood, a new act caused deceased's death, novus actus came into existence

[@timothytshepothobane915]

I disagree,he died within minutes bcos of injury to him by a gun short,there is nexus, if it was established that he would have lasted for 10 hours before he died,but died on his way to hospital in the car driven by ms kk,then in this case before court now,ms kk should also face murder or culpable homicide as she drive fast track his death bcos of the manner she was driving, then the nexus,chain of firearm wound should have been interrupted

[@rhulanifurumele9728]

Well said @timo

[@braeemmaa]

He actually died from cardiac arrest and Respiratory arrest, the cause of which being Hypovolemia from heamorrhagic shock; Massive Hemothorax (with lung collapse) and Right lung lacerations (with lung collapse) from a penetrating projectile (Bullet). The death certifying form should have direct (primary) cause of death and related (secondary) cause of death as well as any other known illnesses, chronic or acute.

[@timothytshepothobane915]

@braeemmaa What trickerred all these,penetration by a bullet which damage & a wound,there is causal link to the death & the bullet wound which to all these you mention,agreed

[@braeemmaa]

​@@timothytshepothobane915I agree, the casual link is there, my concern was on the actual cause of death. A penetrating bullet injury does not necessarily cause death itself, but the complications that it causes, like in this case: heart laceration leading to hemorrhage and massive hemothorax with collapse of left lung as well as the Right apical lung laceration with right upper love collapse were the DIRECT cause of death. The causal link the connect the cause of these complications having arisen from a penetrating wound but the mechanism of death final cause of death becomes 1. Cardiac Arrest and 2. Respiratory Arrest as primary or direct cause of death. That's how this postmortem should have been interpreted by the Pathologist Doctor.

[@nondzukisomazosiwe3711]

Eish this Mshololo is so obsessed with this qualification question , so far I can’t remember of any witness that haven’t been asked this question

[@buyisiwemasondo2079]

Kunani mayebabuza

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

Yi one trick pony always does the same thing ngathi yi robot. shout, disrespect and be condescending to witnesses 😒

[@MankweEdwin]

No more chat

[@khanyisiledlomo6151]

🎉🎉🎉

[@ximbamthethowakhe2981]

I don't trust this judge... Indlela akhuluma ngayo ne defense aylungang

[@buyisiwemasondo2079]

Uyabeya nje😮

[@nonikomaluleks317]

Unolaka nje

[@bongilakey1019]

I still don’t understand how did they found bullets on the table with no blood stains on them , or they were just clean bullets planted by the police 😢 to create a case😢 this country police force are embarrassment hungry idiots

[@ThandokaziNdoqo]

Asibonge to these Adv well done #Z Mshololo Mnisi n other

[@ThembinkosiKubheka-w1g]

u Judge mina ngimthanda maye actor lapha ku Velaphi

[@gcinilegracious3983]

🤣🤣

[@MarianaMaghubu-h3n]

😂😂😂

[@mapulengmokhosi5721]

😂😂usoboshwa😂😂

[@Mcmng]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@munky7253]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 ngempela yini?

[@gabisilemabuza4099]

This interpreter does not know that the skin is isikhumba in Zulu.

[@sindiswazwane9095]

Phakama Mnisi mfwethu

[@bonganisopam]

There is an element of thinking that laymen out there are thinking about technical police and court processes when they lose their loved one. It is second nature to clean the blood of your loved who has been attacked or shot or stabbed especially if dead. You are not hiding evidence but it just happens.

[@therealmncwanegwabeni7263]

Neighbour's even think they are helping you. Growing up in Soweto I can't count the times neighbour's will go wash the blood of the deceased on the streets or from a house while the family is away either at a hospital or funeral parlor. They do it to help the family not to hide evidence. None of us are forensic specialists.