Good and Evil in the British Empire | Dr. Nigel Biggar

Good and Evil in the British Empire | Dr. Nigel Biggar | EP 359

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Ep. 359
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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Nigel Biggar break down his new publication, “Colonialism: A Moral Reckoning,” and parse out the truths and falsehoods from the modern day revisionist movement. They explore the ethics of imperialism, the motivations for the British colonies, their role in the slave trade, bringing modernity to much of the world, and looking back on history with a balanced lens.
Dr. Nigel Biggar is a prominent British theologian, academic and author. He is known for his work in the fields of ethics, philosophy, and theology, particularly in the context of war, peace, and historical reverence. Biggar has made significant contributions to the study of Christian ethics and has written extensively on topics such as “just war theory,” moral responsibility, and the role of forgiveness in conflict resolution. He has been involved in various academic institutions, including the University of Oxford, where he held the Regius Professorship of Moral and Pastoral Theology.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(0:15) Intro
(1:07) An interest in morality, ethics, and empire
(6:41) Resignation, effects and trauma
(10:45) The issue is “toxic,” Hitler and the metaphor or contagion
(13:38) Response to the mob, targeted contempt
(15:22) Separating personal interest from honest analysis
(17:10) Psychology of the opposition: a dangerous means of dismissal
(19:35) Presenting the worst along with the best
(22:07) Metaphysical presumptions of science
(25:21) Aligning oneself with the truth
(28:05) Ethics versus satisfaction
(30:16) Marxism, the approximation of power
(34:41) Why we admire people who live towards beauty and truth
(39:06) Working through right and wrong
(41:11) Possession to follow ones destiny
(43:30) The story of Jonah, when you reject the call from God
(48:50) Chapter one: motives of the empirical endeavor
(54:32) What replaces God once destroyed
(56:45) There’s nothing wrong with power unless you abuse it
(58:02) Compulsion, greed, trade, and productivity
(1:00:58) Exploitation of labor was not a result of colonialism
(1:01:52) Chapter two: slavery is ubiquitous, Wilberforce
(1:03:30) The British equivalent to BLM
(1:05:22) The first in history to abolish the slave trade
(1:08:14) Christianity lead the anti-slavery charge
(1:11:17) Chapter three: breaking the racial hierarchy
(1:12:35) Science does not always lead to enlightenment
(1:13:40) Mitigating the sudden impact of modernity in India
(1:15:44) Was British culture imposed?
(1:17:00) The 1619 project, breaking the commonwealth narrative
(1:18:24) Multiple visions at play for the British colonies
(1:21:34) Chapter four: land, settlers, and conquest
(1:22:58) Facts of history, the reality of unstable states
(1:25:25) Chapter five and six: genocide is intentional, trade and exploitation
(1:26:35) Tasmania, clear effort to protect the Aborigines
(1:28:05) Ethnocentrism, the cultural gap, and modernity
(1:31:07) Avoiding the “ism,” colonial parties
(1:31:52) Chapter seven: government for it’s people
(1:35:03) What makes a government legitimate
(1:36:32) Leadership, the image of the shepherd, Mesopotamia
(1:38:34) Chapter eight: violence and justification
(1:40:19) Circumstances of aggression, WW2
(1:41:24) Conclusion and epilogue: fighting the modern false narrative
(1:45:20) Embattled spirits, the hostile brothers, breathing life back into Marx
(1:49:34) Demented messianism
(1:50:20) When the “oppressed” disagree with their white knights
(1:51:41) Grasping narcissism, the banquet of privilege
(1:53:10) Reviews and distortion
(1:57:13) Retirement from Oxford, freedom to pursue new ideas
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@adrianjcox8611 11 ай бұрын

It's very nice to hear an academic professor who still has honestly and integrity and believes in the fair minded examination of history. I really appreciate those characteristics in this age when none of that seems to matter any more. My compliments Dr Bigger, an example to us all. And thank you Jordan for the interview.

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

Dr. Buggar

@aachoocrony5754 11 ай бұрын

Well intentioned but still full of crap. Its not his fault, he's a philosopher. He does have a gentle voice doesn't he.

@hansvannes8567 11 ай бұрын

I love Jordan Peterson and this interview makes me question weather or not this is even him or an AI posing as him. I cant believe how soft he was during this interview. He offered zero pushback against the idea that every empire in history was trying to conquer the world for the wrong reason except the British. Get real! Have we forgotten already that the British royal family funded the Nazi party? They only attempted to free the slaves in their colonies in an effort to reassert control over the people they were attempting to control through debt slavery. The British didn't even give a fuck about the people on their own island let alone the "savages" across the world. Dr Peterson could have at least brought up the fact that the Irish potato famine did not happen due to a lack of potatoes. It happened because the British exported FOR PROFIT so much food out of Ireland that they didn't leave enough for the farmers to eat. I defend this guys right to publish whatever he wants but come on... anyone who attempts to gain sympathy for the righteousness of colonialism by declaring they know what hardship is because they were forced to "learn how to drink tea during a time when their was a shortage of sugar" is an ass hole.

@aachoocrony5754 11 ай бұрын

@@hansvannes8567 I could be wrong but didn't the British abolish slavery due to the advent of the steam engine? They used it as an excuse to hijack and attack ships from peer nations It couldn't possibly be due to moral grounds as they were discussing lol.

@constantincoltisor1612 10 ай бұрын

@@aachoocrony5754who is full of crap his work or him as an individual?

@vegaa1 9 ай бұрын

"If we lose respect for our ancestors, we lose respect for our institutions" --- profound

@arunnair7584 8 ай бұрын

If we present our history in a positive light to the Brits we can sell more copies

@arunnaik3375 7 ай бұрын

Not if they if they acted like savages and barbarians

@PontifexByzantinus 2 ай бұрын

Profound.

@liamrobinson2084 11 ай бұрын

Nigel Biggar and JBP... That's a whole lot of moral courage concentrated right there, combined with some remarkable intellectual acuity and great personal strength. A brilliant conversation. Cheers!

@hansvannes8567 11 ай бұрын

@andrewjoyner4133 10 ай бұрын

@@hansvannes8567 Debt slavery?? There were many reasons the British ended slavery. Partly moral. Partly practical. Never heard that one. Sources ??

@elliskaranikolaou2550 10 ай бұрын

@@andrewjoyner4133 Britain didn't end slavery per se. Slavery still exists, and in fact the 1st state to abolish slavery was Portugal. Britain was not the 1st state to abolish slavery nor did it end slavery worldwide, which seems to be the popular meme today. It did end it in the British Empire though yet it supported the US confederate states in the US civil war.

@andrewjoyner4133 10 ай бұрын

@@elliskaranikolaou2550 We were the first to go to any extraneous endeavour to at least try to end slavery. Emphasise on the word 'try'.Don't think Portugal did that.They might have abolished it but I don't think they had ships patrolling the Atlantic trying to stop other people from doing it. Yeah and it still exists. Guess where...lol

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

@@andrewjoyner4133 The British were just the epitome of dedication when it came to ending slavery. I mean, who needs tangible results when you have ships patrolling the Atlantic, right? It's not like they were just conveniently safeguarding their own economic interests, while occasionally intercepting a few slaving vessels. Nope, they were definitely on a noble mission to single-handedly eradicate slavery from the face of the Earth! And let's not forget about those poor old Portuguese, who apparently just abolished slavery without any fanfare. How dare they not make a big show of it and send their ships on grand anti-slavery tours? Clearly, they lacked the British flair for performative activism. Oh, and don't worry, I know exactly where slavery still exists. It's so hilarious, isn't it? Because, you know, it's just a barrel of laughs when human beings are subjected to such abhorrent conditions and treated as commodities. Good thing we can all have a good chuckle about it. LOL indeed!

@quercus21 11 ай бұрын

I listened to his book on Audible and bought a physical book as well. I study history in my own time and so I’m well aware of the revisionism that has been going on for some time. It amazes me that people I know personally who have never had any interest in history have suddenly become “knowledgeable” in the age of Twitter. I’ll often send papers to these people and never hear about the subject again as their level of interest in a particular subject peters out if the subject matter is more than a heading, a paragraph or a 4 minute read from the Guardian.

@tomgreene1843 11 ай бұрын

Well said indeed ...ah the Guardian ....source of all knowledge!

@paulbadics3500 10 ай бұрын

Yes..most young people have no idea of history but they think they are experts now with all this revisionist race gender colonial obsessed marxist version of things

@offshoretomorrow3346 10 ай бұрын

More disturbingly - The BBC, our national broadcaster, is an entirely captured activist organ for the same Woke Marxism The Guardian pushes.

@edwardthomlinson 10 ай бұрын

@@tomgreene1843l 47:35 L

@autumnleaves2766 8 ай бұрын

Great comment, Quercus

@danielpowell9891 11 ай бұрын

Dr Nigel Biggar = Compassion * Humility * Integrity

@belindaterry6010 11 ай бұрын

Ahhhhh *sigh* Two Beautifully tested and brave grown up men. So refreshing to see and hear. These are the missing fatherly and benevolent archetypes that shine the light of love and guidance toward meaning through conscienciosness, intention, and duty that we need. Hero's journey.

@CendeTanen-lp8xt 10 ай бұрын

Beautifully put.

@johnricercato740 10 ай бұрын

Very well put, particularly on the need for the wise man archetype. Modern society is rife with tricksters and angry young people stuck in rigid dichotomies - we need more tragic realists who can give nuanced accounts of humankind, our histories and the society we have created.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

@@johnricercato740 What the world truly needs right now is a bunch of self-proclaimed "wise men" to swoop in and enlighten us all with their superior understanding of human nature and society. Because, you know, everyone else is just a bunch of tricksters and angry young people stuck in their rigid little dichotomies. I mean, who needs the complexities of human experiences, diverse perspectives, or the messy realities of our history? Let's just gather around these tragic realists and bask in their oh-so-nuanced accounts of everything. Because clearly, they possess the magical ability to distill the essence of humanity into neat little packages of wisdom. And forget about progress, growth, and the potential for positive change. We should just revel in the never-ending tales of how messed up everything is and how we're all doomed to repeat our past mistakes. How inspiring! It's not like we need hope or optimism to drive us forward. Nope, we should all just wallow in the mire of their cynicism. So, here's to the wise men and their glorious arrogance! May they continue to bless us with their condescending sermons and their absolute certainty in their own intellectual superiority. After all, what could be more valuable than being told how foolish and misguided we all are by those who have appointed themselves as the keepers of "nuance"?

@johnbaker6125 11 ай бұрын

If we're all judged solely by the bad things we've done in life and the good has no weight, then none of us are worth anything.

@hmehdi2644 11 ай бұрын

But why would you want to be so tribal to associate yourself with the bad things that your people may have done in the past ? Why can't you stand away from the bad, criticise it and remain independent to be with the good wherever it may lie ?

@mikejacob3536 11 ай бұрын

@@hmehdi2644 Your middle ground no longer exists. The morality police who detect the fault in a culture will be satisfied only by the entire eradication of that culture, every person in it, and ALL evidence of its effect on the world.

@phoenixjones7191 11 ай бұрын

@@hmehdi2644 his statement was about individual moral weight. Nothing about tribes.

@staylor3465 11 ай бұрын

Only the slave morality condemns you.

@johnbaker6125 11 ай бұрын

@@hmehdi2644 Consider for a moment that if we consider that the British empire was evil do we remove ourselves from all the good it did? Do we toss out the idea of individual rights which were first codified in western countries in Britain? What about all the inventions and innovations that occurred during the British Empire era? Everything from steam engines, the first mass produced plows, the rediscovery of concrete since Roman times and even how modern roads are paved all originated during the British Empire. You willing to give all of that up?

@olgaleford4373 11 ай бұрын

Dr. Peterson, thank you for your hard work and sharing your intellect

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

Hello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question, even if the question is outside the topic of the episode?

@donnafoster5215 11 ай бұрын

@@Dr_Canopus There are many wise people that are rarely studied. Do you know this man? The Swedenborgian tradition values freedom of thought in matters of belief. Any precepts of faith that we accept should make sense to our minds and our hearts. For this reason, the Swedenborgian Church of North America avoids making definitive statements on doctrine, in order that all people of faith might come to their own conclusions.

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

@@donnafoster5215 I respect your words... But from my point of view, every person should search for himself outside the framework of the religions currently spread... and say what if I was born in a place where religion was different from my current place.... Therefore, upon reflection, he concludes that he must Looking for God.... But the question is, did God leave us evidence to guide us to Him???!

@FranklinFleming-lm1yu 11 ай бұрын

@@donnafoster5215that guy is a bot

@djonfonsteen6331 11 ай бұрын

@@FranklinFleming-lm1yu too funny

@WizzRacing 11 ай бұрын

Still waiting for Jordan Peterson and Thomas Sowell to talk... I would pay to hear that...

@umwha 11 ай бұрын

Jordan has said he’s reached out to Sowell but Sowell is unable to do it … we know sowel is too frail and possibly had demneita now

@WizzRacing 11 ай бұрын

@@umwha Thomas Sowell does interviews from his home now. He doesn't travel around and do lengthy ones anymore...

@umwha 10 ай бұрын

@@WizzRacing He dosent even do home interviews anymore. The last interview that exists you can tell hes going a bit soft in the head. That was years ago now. JBP has said he's reached out to Sowell and interview wont be possible. That was years ago now.

@WizzRacing 10 ай бұрын

@@umwha I just heard him do a phone interview not 4 months ago.. So I have no idea where you get your information...

@umwha 10 ай бұрын

@@WizzRacing Source?

@quantumnews2465 10 ай бұрын

I started speaking what I believed to be the truth about politics and many other topics about 13 years ago. I was labeled, hated and shunned but I kept doing it and becoming more and more involved. I became well connected with high profile people and just kept fighting and debating daily. After the "pandemic" I just gave up. Seeing almost every single person on earth just complying to everything, no matter how absurd I just lost hope. Now, I have absolutely zero friends and have become completely isolated and not by choice, completely. I have my wife, my job, my children and grandchildren and that's it. I live in a very small town in SE Missouri so there are very few options to find like minded people to be involved with. I went in to all my research with the mindset of debunking it. When all resources were exhausted to do so then I had no choice but to believe it to be relatively true. People don't like hearing things that are true because the truth is painful. There is an epidemic of cognitive dissonance in this current world.

@simonahrendt9069 10 ай бұрын

I feel sorry for the way you are treated. At the same time it gives me hope that people like you exist and care so deeply about being sane and remaining faithful to the truth, even in the face of this treatment by society. Do you have a good family life or other sources of joy that carry you through the disillusionment with and rejection by people? I sure hope so and wish you all the best! Thank you for sharing

@autumnleaves2766 8 ай бұрын

Great comment. Good that you have your family around you. You're right about the cognitive dissonance.

@fx6281 11 ай бұрын

Would love to see some historical docuseries by Nigel Biggar via DW+ if that's something both parties are interested in!

@Melody-st4df 11 ай бұрын

Jordan Sir, your gift of storytelling is what people hunger for within their communication. When we share our experiences and concepts through story-telling we invite questions from the listener. This seems to me to be in part a way of avoiding 'argument' instead maintaining 'conversation' rather than combat.

@djonfonsteen6331 11 ай бұрын

That's part the art of conversation, without doubt. Unfortunately, warmongering rats have made it illegal to question anything. Anti-humanity.

@Melody-st4df 11 ай бұрын

@@djonfonsteen6331 Indeed! Luciferian activists, to quote one of Dr. Peterson's phrases!

@edwardthomlinson 10 ай бұрын

@@djonfonsteen6331 47:35

@arunnaik3375 9 ай бұрын

The gift of storytelling is far better than learning facts?

@Melody-st4df 9 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375 Learning Facts is indeed important, however for the purposes of "communication" Story-telling is invaluable!

@colleendavis7181 11 ай бұрын

Everyone benefits from these discussions. Thank you for your courageous videos that add great value.

@charlesharding6281 11 ай бұрын

“You may choose to look the other way but you can never say again that you did not know.” ― William Wilberforce Thank you gentlemen for the unsettling discussion and the adamant adherence to wrestling with history. The uncomfortable truths of history are rarely tackled by the benefactors of that same history. Upton Sinclair said It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary (and comfort) Depends Upon His Not Understanding It. That was true of monopolies, but also true for political majorities. Like Jonah, intellectuals are called to speak the truth against "political" wickedness, and not flee. Again thank you Gentlemen for speaking uncomfortable truths.

@freeconsciousness7789 11 ай бұрын

Jordan, your interviews cut deep to the heart of examining the ethical manifestations of good and evil, and for that, I thank you ❤

@onthefarm_4880 9 ай бұрын

Thank you both, Dr Nigel Bigar & Dr Jordan B Peterson, for this very interesting and educational conversation.

@cecilydeshea7222 11 ай бұрын

Thank you gentlemen! This conversation was very informative and enlightening! I was definitely experiencing this sense of oppression from the left narrative of our collective history. This conversation feels like a huge sigh of relief for me. I look forward to learning more from you both!! 🌻

@masada2828 11 ай бұрын

Read, as if u would listen to a bias Left.

@hansvannes8567 11 ай бұрын

@Ajourneyofknowing 10 ай бұрын

What narrative?

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

@@hansvannes8567 Aw come on now, don't start going about insulting AI.

@peregrineprude2046 11 ай бұрын

At around 44 minutes in, Jordan misrepresents Jonah's motivation for fleeing God's calling for him to go to the Ninevites. It wasn't that Jonah was scared for his life or well-being in taking God's warning to the Ninevites, but rather it was that Jonah knew how gracious God is and that if the Ninevites were to repent (which they did), God would show them mercy. Jonah didn't think the Ninevites were worthy of God's mercy and therefore didn't want to be God's messenger by which they might repent and be shown mercy. This is the modus operandi of the entire story that shouldn't be overlooked; that mercy is by definition a gift that isn't deserved but that God may dispense according to His perfect will.

@nubosite 11 ай бұрын

It won’t be the first time nor the last. Like most people, it starts with a narrative, then searching for things to fit.

@rebeccatipton9410 11 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for saying that! I picked up on this, too! Jonah's sin wasn't self-preservation or even cowardice, but ethnocentrism (the opposite of the Jewish calling to carry God's revelation to and be a blessing to all nations) and the conviction that the Ninevites deserved judgement, and that he was not going to play a role in God showing them mercy! Yes! Thank you!

@davidbonny8229 11 ай бұрын

Agreed but could fear not have been a secondary motive?

@etc6615 11 ай бұрын

Agree that fear might also be a secondary motive. The ninevites were known tyrants after all

@rebeccatipton9410 11 ай бұрын

@@davidbonny8229 His analysis also fails to mention that a multitude of clues within the story indicate that it was not written as the literal history of an Israelite prophet, but as a parable and morality tale inducting Israel of failing to be a light and blessing to the nations. There is so much hyperbole and parallelism in the story--Jonah goes down, down, down away from God's calling, all the way to Tarsus is Spain. Then everyone on the ship repents to God and he has to be swallowed by a giant fish to get him back on track. Then when he departs for Nineveh he is said to go up, up, up. The descriptions of the size of Nineveh are super hyperbolic (indicating not a literal tale, but sort of fairy tale-type details). Then everyone in Nineveh from the highest government officials to the lowest slave repents--like the sailors, another literary device used to contrast with Jonah's stubborn hard heartedness. He withdraws from the city to watch it's judgement and destruction. He is irate that it's not destroyed and that the giant vine that shaded him from the sun has died (and grew up in a single day, which is another indication the story wasn't meant to be literal)--more upset about that than he ever was concerned about the people and animals in the city. To top it off, there is one mention of a very minor prophet named Jonah from Israel,but no mention, strangely, of him being used to convert the city of Nineveh, the center of the extremely powerful and brutal Assyrian empire. There are also no historical records of this mass conversion. None of this undermines the authority of Scripture. It merely shows that we have long misunderstood the nature and purpose of this text. It is a satirical, parabolic story meant to illustrate important moral truths and convict Jews at the time of it's writing to repent of their pride and self-righteous, judgmental attitudes towards Gentiles who did not have the Law. It was meant to shine a light on their hearts and their sin. There are different genres of books and stories within the Bible. We need to be careful that we are not treating things as literal that were not meant to be interpreted that way. 👍

@user-gu2yo4cw3h 11 ай бұрын

I’m so glad I started watching your interviews with so many logical and educated humans Jordan.. including you. Keep up the spread of truth, morals, courage and integrity, and decency .. bless you 🌻From Suz, living in a small - but awake - small town in Western Australia 🇦🇺

@saidaabukar4937 10 ай бұрын

The moral values in principle on this interview is remarkable, informative, delightful, thank you both Dr. Nigel Biggar and Dr.Peterson.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

I must confess, your statement extolling the "moral values" of colonial rule left me dumbfounded. First and foremost, let us not overlook the fundamental premise on which colonialism was built-an inherently exploitative system that subjugated entire nations, trampled upon their sovereignty, and inflicted immeasurable suffering upon countless individuals. To assert that such a morally bankrupt framework could possess any redeeming values is not just historically myopic but also offensive to the victims of colonial oppression. Colonial rule thrived on the arrogance of the colonizers, who considered themselves superior to the indigenous populations they subjugated. The moral values you seem to admire were, in reality, nothing more than a thinly veiled justification for the pillaging of resources, the imposition of foreign customs, and the denigration of native cultures. The consequences of colonialism continue to reverberate today, as nations grapple with the enduring scars of economic disparity, cultural erasure, and political instability. Moreover, the imperial powers of the past were not motivated by noble ideals or a genuine concern for the well-being of the colonized. Their primary objective was the pursuit of profit, achieved through the extraction of wealth from colonized lands and the exploitation of cheap labor. To praise the moral values of colonial rule is to ignore the glaring hypocrisy of a system that touted humanitarian intentions while perpetuating systemic injustice. Your characterization of colonialism as "remarkable, informative, delightful" is particularly perplexing. How can one find delight in the forced displacement of populations, the suppression of indigenous knowledge, and the systematic oppression of entire societies? Are we to turn a blind eye to the countless atrocities committed under the banner of colonial expansion, ranging from brutal massacres to the dehumanization of enslaved peoples? It is essential that we approach history with intellectual honesty and empathy, acknowledging the profound suffering endured by those subjugated under colonial rule. To romanticize or glorify the moral values of colonialism is to engage in revisionism that perpetuates the marginalization of already marginalized voices. Instead of celebrating the ethics of a morally bankrupt system, let us strive to learn from history and ensure that the mistakes of the past are not repeated. Let us champion narratives that give voice to the silenced, challenge systemic inequalities, and work towards a more equitable and just world.

@val7570 11 ай бұрын

Main problem I see, people tend to judge/compare the past based on today mindset and standards. We live in an entire different world.

@kofipapa2886 10 ай бұрын

One would have expected that in the times such as we find ourselves in these barbarians would have changed diet. But no! They still want to dominate, plunder and loot others just like their forefathers and foremothers for equality sake😅.

@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa410 10 ай бұрын

Yeah that is the main problem here? So we are supposed to just forget things happened? While the nation states that exploited others still hold that wealth? Very nice and easy solution, you are very smart!!!

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

Ah, what a grievous conundrum you've astutely identified! It appears that mere mortals, plagued by their own cognitive biases, are committing the fallacy of anachronism, presumptuously projecting their contemporary mindsets and standards onto the sacred realm of bygone eras. How dare they disregard the cardinal principle of historical relativism, failing to comprehend that we inhabit a disparate epoch, a veritable pantheon of dissimilarities! Truly, the audacity of these ignorant souls to assume that their present-oriented perspectives, forged within the crucible of our vastly transformed global landscape, are capable of rendering impartial judgment upon the sagacity and actions of antiquity. Alas, it seems they lack the sagacity to grasp the cardinal importance of temporal context, the indispensable spectacles through which we ought to perceive the multifarious tapestry of human history. Ah, the sheer temerity of our predecessors, ensnared within a labyrinthine network of beliefs, customs, and paradigms entirely alien to our contemporary paradigms. How dare they navigate existence bereft of the grand epistemological leaps we have ventured upon! Behold, the myopic fallacy of retroactive presentism, whereby our vaunted modernity, adorned with its manifold advancements, serves as the measure by which all epochs are to be reckoned! Let us cast aside the arduous task of comprehending the contextual maelstrom that shaped their world, the intricate interplay of sociopolitical forces and epistemic limitations that sculpted their collective consciousness. Instead, let us bask in the warmth of our epochal hubris, for we are the select few privy to the wondrous zenith of human achievement, the apotheosis of intellectual and moral evolution! Oh, the sweet intoxication of our contemporary perch, as we audaciously trample upon the complex tapestry of history, discounting its variegated hues and valiant struggles in favor of our own ostentatious presentism. Let us not besmirch ourselves with the humility of historical empathy or the pursuit of contextual understanding, for we, the heirs to an "entirely different world," are destined to illuminate the past with the piercing clarity of our magnificent modernity! Verily, it is a privilege to witness the prodigious depths of your insight. Pray, grace us further with your erudition, for our feeble minds eagerly await the enlightenment that springs forth from your fertile intellect.

@alphacharlietango969 11 ай бұрын

A brilliant discussion, thank you.

@garrethaines1995 7 ай бұрын

These two are inspiring. Heroes really. True courage. Stand strong.

@Innocent_Simango 11 ай бұрын

I am a South African 🇿🇦, and a very fascinating entry point; that you begin this dialogue on the name ; John Cecil Rhodes🇿🇦. I'm here to be educated& understand nuaced interpretations of history.

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

H‏ello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question even if my question is off topic

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

@@Innocent_Simango My brother, since you live in the West, in school or college, do they teach you about Ali bin Abi Talib in history or not, and how much do you know about him???!

@patriciastapleton2625 11 ай бұрын

Well said, Innocent. We are all learning here from both these great men. Please scroll down to read the post by Kath who comes from Nepal.

@johnromans2509 10 ай бұрын

@@Dr_Canopus I am British and love history so I know who he is, but they do not teach us about him (or much at all about the conquests of Islam generally) at school. What you learn at history is very limited, and mostly related to British history such as the Agricultural Revolution, Industrial Revolution, world war 1 and 2.

@Dr_Canopus 10 ай бұрын

@@johnromans2509 Thank you brother... What is your opinion of Ali bin Abi Talib???!! .... My brother, I think that the history that is taught in British universities is incorrect... because there is no such thing as Islamic conquests, rather they are terrorist conquests..... I will give you a choice that is not taught neither in Arab universities nor in British universities. .. Did you know that the Muslims killed the descendants of the Prophet Muhammad, may God bless him and his family, and they are Al-Hassan, Al-Hussein and Zainab ... And did you know that the Muslim rulers killed Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet Muhammad.... and killed Ali bin Abi Talib.... and These are the same killers who carried out the Islamic conquests, so I call them terrorist conquests because the rulers are murderers.....

@josecarpio1999 11 ай бұрын

Thank you, Jordan, for everything you do ❤

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

H‏ello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question even if my question is off topic ?

@zeno2501 11 ай бұрын

Biggar is exceptional. A brilliant man.

@rachelabbott9393 10 ай бұрын

Brilliant interview. Thoroughly enlightening and enjoyable to listen too.

@MasayaShida 11 ай бұрын

thanks for all that you do dr. peterson

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

H‏ello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question even if my question is off topic

@OvernightFelon 11 ай бұрын

Learning about the British empire, I wasn't expecting an AD for body armor 😂 I love it.

@gntpremiumwindowsdoors9242 9 ай бұрын

All lives have meaning and potential! I'm a layman builder but I have much to give to society as you guys do! I actually use your talks to emphasise how important you guys are. May God bless you with even more!

@vincentsmith8328 11 ай бұрын

We Brits did a lot of both good and bad throughout the world over the years! However any sins of our fathers are certainly 'NOT' our sins!!

@vincentsmith8328 11 ай бұрын

More good stuff than bad stuff I reckon!!

@tredaviousbowser7931 11 ай бұрын

@@vincentsmith8328 I don’t doubt good stuff happened. But it’s nearly impossible to ignore 300 years of colonialism, persecution, and racial prejudice

@ReasonAboveEverything 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Without brits we would be far behind in progress.

@thewayoftheinterceptingfis4194 11 ай бұрын

Be quite honest the way we've been treated over the last 30 years I wouldn't mind if I'm being honest repeating those sins with interest

@markmark3872 11 ай бұрын

But the damages caused by your fathers are still evident in our world today. I’m not arguing that descendants should be penalized for sins of their fathers, but they can’t be totally absolved from the consequences either

@mac2626 11 ай бұрын

The British Empire was a major protagonist in building our modern world, and it wasn’t all bad by any means.

@ayudhsingh7616 11 ай бұрын

It's a thug empire who looted all wealth of all it's colonies. Visit british mueseum to know more

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

‏Hello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question even if my question is off topic

@larryc5361 11 ай бұрын

There are winners and losers. Life isn't fair. Sometimes it's downright cruel. It's sad. Unfortunate. And true. It can be acknowledged. Hopefully corrected. But not by a new unjust punishment, accusation or falsehood.

@cjatfenway 11 ай бұрын

@@larryc5361I can’t wait for you to remember this comment when NATO collapses and Europe learns what colonialism means. You had the last 300 years. The global south will not be kind. 😊

@michaelmicheal4494 11 ай бұрын

They killed 50% of my people in the Benin kingdom and they theroned the king (my great x3 grand father) and the ripel effect is still being felt 100 years hows that for major protagonist

@WarpedSpeed 11 ай бұрын

there is a difference of wanting power to do what we wish, and wanting power to control others ability to do what they wish. This is the basis of Human Rights, you are free to do what you wish as long as it does not violate the rights of others. The Tyranny starts when you arbitrarily decide other do not have rights, this as how psychopaths see other as being less than Human

@digitalbrandingintl 11 ай бұрын

Just watching Dr Jordan is so overwhelmingly satisfying for nerves....he is a food for soul....he is the noise now a days not there.....or very little....

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

H‏ello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question even if my question is off topic

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@@Dr_Canopus well sure you can ask a question as a western person🤗

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

@@fukpoeslaw3613 My English is not very good....I mean you as Westerners can I ask you

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@@Dr_Canopus Hmmm, not western ey? Hmm, ok, one question then...

@fukpoeslaw3613 11 ай бұрын

@@Dr_Canopus no, your English is fine. I was only kidding.

@rdf5356 10 ай бұрын

Absolutely brilliant conversation! I'm reading Prof. Biggar's book at the moment and it's excellent.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

Don't miss out the remarkable acrobatics of Biggar as he navigates the treacherous terrain of justifying British actions and conveniently shifting the locus of empire to suit his narrative. How ingenious of him to seek the "essential" nature of empire in the most favorable light, relying on "native" testimony to suggest consent or approval, or conveniently finding signs of "development" within the colonies themselves. But let us not forget the true heart and soul of empire, where the spirit of violence and oppression truly thrives. It is not the vile and despicable acts of General Dyer during the Jallianwala Bagh Massacre that epitomize empire according to Biggar (although he valiantly attempts to exonerate Dyer), but rather the condemnation of such atrocities that echoes in the hallowed halls of the House of Commons. How marvelous it is to witness the grand spectacle of moral gymnastics as Biggar downplays the heinous acts of violence, while emphasizing the noble act of denouncing them. The real essence of empire, it seems, lies not in the actions that perpetrate suffering, but in the righteous condemnations that follow. We must applaud Biggar's ability to turn a blind eye to the pain inflicted upon the colonized, instead focusing on the sanctity of parliamentary condemnations. After all, what use is acknowledging the brutality and injustice of empire when one can revel in the self-congratulatory applause of the House of Commons? In conclusion, let us marvel at the extraordinary contortions of Biggar's perspective, where he skillfully deflects responsibility from the true agents of violence and redirects our attention to the theatrical performance of condemnation. Oh, the wonders of intellectual acrobatics in the service of maintaining the veneer of British virtue.

@bobby_c07 9 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375your ears must have been burning for much of this conversation

@arunnaik3375 8 ай бұрын

@@bobby_c07 Oh, you've caught me red-eared, indeed! My auricles were practically sizzling with delight from all the attention they've received during this scintillating banter.

@kolakowj 11 ай бұрын

Great discussion. Thank you. Not enough KZbin placed ads; especially for things that have no relevance to me. 😮

@LandoftheSarah 11 ай бұрын

Absolutely brilliant. Thank you again for another historically, scientifically and morally educational conversation. If anyone should be dissected for knowledge in so many conversations, this man is the one. Can you imagine all that knowledge just bouncing around in his head????? I bet it takes a toll on you. Hope you get some rest here and there! Thank you again sir for this :)

@hansvannes8567 11 ай бұрын

@LandoftheSarah 11 ай бұрын

The potato famine could’ve been prevented if they had planted a variety of potatoes vs just one kind which makes soil born diseases readily available to wreck the crops. Irish just needed to plant more varieties. US sent themSO MUCH corn to help fight against the famine.

@CendeTanen-lp8xt 10 ай бұрын

@@hansvannes8567 According to some articles, the corn was taken by British Landlords and/or sold right there at the socks to other countries, something like that, sorry I can't state the reference, but there's more than one at there. of course I now realize even historical accounts and writings were as censured then as now. To be sure of what really happens you'd have to be there. For this I will never trust a historical account completely. From either side.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

@@LandoftheSarah Your profound wisdom and unparalleled insight have left me utterly astounded. How could we have been so blind all these years? The potato famine, a cataclysmic event that claimed the lives of millions and left a scar on Irish history, could have been averted by the simple act of planting multiple potato varieties. Clearly, the Irish people were just ignorant peasants, unaware of the wonders of crop diversity and the perils of monoculture. Thank goodness you, the omniscient armchair expert, have graced us with your wisdom. It's truly a revelation to learn that soil-borne diseases thrive on a single variety of potato, wreaking havoc with unparalleled vengeance. Who knew that crop diseases could be so selective, targeting only the homogenous plantations of Ireland while politely sparing the diverse cornfields of America? Such considerate pathogens we have! And let us not forget the benevolence of the United States, the great savior of the potato-stricken Irish. How can we ever repay the debt of gratitude for their generosity in sending "SO MUCH" corn to combat the famine? Clearly, corn, a crop entirely foreign to the Irish diet, would have been a perfect substitute for the beloved and versatile potato. I can only imagine the sheer delight of the starving Irish as they feasted on corn, their palates undoubtedly sated and their nutritional needs miraculously fulfilled. How dare those destitute souls fail to grasp the simple concept of planting diverse crops, even in the midst of a devastating crisis? Surely, their lack of knowledge about the intricacies of agricultural practices and their limited access to resources were just excuses. They should have known better, right? Because obviously, it's so easy to change centuries-old farming practices overnight, especially when faced with extreme poverty, political oppression, and rampant discrimination. Your sarcastic brilliance and biting commentary have undoubtedly enlightened us all. It's a shame that history didn't have the privilege of your presence during those dark days, as your invaluable advice could have single-handedly saved millions of lives. Alas, we are left to mourn the ignorance of the past while basking in the radiant glow of your unparalleled wisdom. May we all aspire to be as knowledgeable and compassionate as you, the master of hindsight and the arbiter of agricultural success.

@LandoftheSarah 10 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375 woah, I wasn’t trying to be harsh or in any way sarcastic. They could’ve thought of other varieties and I don’t know if they did and it just failed. My knowledge is only limited to what I’ve read. If they found other varieties and it wasn’t enough just say so man and throw a source at me. Mmy bad buddy for coming off cross.

@paulmacek6563 11 ай бұрын

such a captivating discussion!! thank you gentlemen!!

@user-wq8sd2qc4u 11 ай бұрын

I am a person of mixed Ojibwe and Mohawk blood - even if we assume the British empire (and "whites" in general) were all evil through history, building a relationship of cooperation and competition NOW will always be the better choice than no contact/no tolerance/no-thing at all other than holding onto the past Even if it is true that "my" people were displaced "unfairly", we are both still human and therefore... stronger together than separate Consider that plants and flowers "colonise" each other all the time... humans simply had the benefit of waking up first

@adhegi 6 ай бұрын

Excellent conversation about an extremely well-written and well-researched book! Thank you, Dr. Biggar and Dr. Peterson, for your courage in addressing this important subject.

@manuelmejia4481 11 ай бұрын

Dr Peterson thankyou for taking time to share knowledge with us . Appreciate everything you do much respect

@tribalwar9971 11 ай бұрын

Thank you sir Love from NZ.

@hagalhagal9989 10 ай бұрын

I hail from Malta (an ex British colony). I was once in Oxford and it was strange being lectured by 3 old women how bad the Maltese must surely have been treated by the British Empire and how sorry they were for that. I had another experience in Germany. The tour leader was an old English expat woman, who kept insisting on apologising for the sins that the British committed to the Maltese. Apart from all the relevant criticisms of this behaviour that Dr Peterson raises, as the descendent of the colonised it feels cheap. Are we in kindergarten where a mere apology is sufficient to atone for any wrong? That's what went through my mind.

@mataform 8 ай бұрын

I don't agree with all this apologising and it seems it is an empty apology for having been serendipitously born a british person, of which she had no control over nor was responsible for something that happened by others years ago. Pointless. I don't know - what else were you hoping for? Is there something else you are hoping for?

@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa410 8 ай бұрын

@@mataform okay yeah you are just a very salty white person that doesn’t want to understand. An apology is the least these people deserve. Seeing as the British Empire has done nothing to financially compensate former colonies

@hagalhagal9989 8 ай бұрын

@@mataform I was hoping for nothing. One cannot be personally punished or rewarded for the actions done by others.

@codypendragons 11 ай бұрын

Great conversation, the nuance of this dialog. It is very much appreciated by me, so thank you.

@jeromedenis100 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Doc for another great interview

@eservicesplus1 11 ай бұрын

Profound and inspirational; one of the most intellectually and spiritually edifying discussions I've heard. Thank you so much for the testimony and for encouraging all to the noble pursuit of Truth. This is indeed food for the soul and I feel satiated and motivated.

@hansvannes8567 11 ай бұрын

@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa410 10 ай бұрын

@@hansvannes8567 I really commend you for speaking out against this! Unfortunately youve come to the final stage of any jordan Peterson fan: the realization that he is just a bigoted man that loves imperial narratives and misses the British empire

@FreshBreezle 11 ай бұрын

Definitely going to read his catalog

@thaliasmusings 11 ай бұрын

Excellent discussion. Thank you. 🌿

@philipford6183 10 ай бұрын

I purchased Dr. Biggar's book soon after release and thoroughly enjoyed the read. A thoughtful, accessible and very well-informed exploration of ethics and empire (centred around the British empire), fully sourced throughout. Recommended reading.

@TerribleShmeltingAccident 11 ай бұрын

Tough men create good times, Good times create weak men, Weak men create hard times, Hard times create tough men.

@mack63u7 10 ай бұрын

As a Tasmanian, never thought we'd get a mention in a JP discussion

@victoiredeleusomme4257 10 ай бұрын

very much enjoyed this rational discussion. Grateful for your courage and compelled to in any small way I can to follow your example. To that end I will send a link to this to as many people I can in hopes the younger ones will at least listen and the older ones on my list will send on to their contacts.

@melstiller8561 11 ай бұрын

Power is what makes us productive. Excessive power is what turns us into tyrants.

@xyhmo 11 ай бұрын

No it isn't. Some people are tyrants with only small amounts of power, like a father tormenting his children. Other people have way more power without being tyrants. It's not just or even primarily the amount of power that makes a tyrant. People with the same amount of power can act quite differently, and it depends on who they are.

@wadeboyce4793 11 ай бұрын

Power may be the perception of the person desiring it. Power not matter how small will overwhelm who cant handle it

@MrLouDC 11 ай бұрын

As a "Son of the American Revolution" I think there has always been good and bad situations in the development of mankind. Compared to the past mankind is remarkably in better shape in almost every country. Greek,Roman,and British empires had serious faults no doubt, but I can't imagine how different life would be if they had never developed. I deeply admire the British people and society and in the event of war or some crisis I would be there tomorrow even at my advanced age of 79.]

@grannyannie2948 11 ай бұрын

As a 7th+ generation Australian I agree. However I don't think we are what we were, throughout my life history has continuously been rewritten, and I can't help but conclude that western civilization is in decline.

@djonfonsteen6331 11 ай бұрын

@@grannyannie2948 Australia is governed by rats. Unfortunately, because the majority of people are beautiful.

@grannyannie2948 11 ай бұрын

@@djonfonsteen6331 Thankyou. They are not rats. They are WEF representatives. Nor are we a democracy. Whoever you vote for, the policies don't change. Their latest plan is to enable private property to be confiscated under new native title legislation.

@djonfonsteen6331 11 ай бұрын

@@grannyannie2948You're very welcome 🙂 Agreed. An awful, yet very expensive pantomime is what I call it. All privacy is under attack. Our minds are the most important kind of private property and its all out war for that at the moment 🤔 Understood. Rats are far nicer creatures. I apologise to all rats out there.

@Jeanne-S 10 ай бұрын

greed, that’s what it is

@chrisk7118 9 ай бұрын

The Black Line in Tasmania where settlers formed a line across Tasmania and hunted aboriginals was a deliberate act of genocide, this is common knowledge and taught in high school in Australia.

@NattieArt2.0 10 ай бұрын

You have the most interesting people and topics in interview 🙏

@peterlynley 11 ай бұрын

So much great material here.

@sarajones6046 11 ай бұрын

Never actually seen Peterson in jeans and a shirt - Liking it :-). Love Peterson.

@rainaldkoch9093 11 ай бұрын

More than an interview, a therapeutic session.

@carolynkeiser7082 7 ай бұрын

I am interested in this topic and greatful for the thoughtful and honest conversation you have had. I listen to Dr. Jordan quite a bit. History is very important for me to understand as my ancestors on my mother's side were English, Irish, Scottish. I don't understand the current condition of the Irish and wished you could have talked about that. Thank you for your desire to honestly discuss this topic 🙏 I have actually prayed for a better understanding. My mother was born in America in 1914 and passed away in 2012, on New Years Eve ( I have some time's wondered if she had a superstition? Not sure)

@fngrusty42 10 ай бұрын

Wonderful video loved hearing Dr. Biggar thank you. When everyone is attacking our way of life . Thank you for taking the bull by the horns and showing the truth at the best of your ability. Not many people would do that. Bless you Sir.

@nancykisich3263 10 ай бұрын

I had an experience when I was around 11. I wasn’t brought up to believe in any religion. I cried in the middle of the night, “Is there such thing as God?” And I heard an emphatic female voice say “YES there is.” It was so loving so comforting. I never again had such an experience but it started me on my path searching for elusive truth

@samuelallen1402 10 ай бұрын

I have heard her too

@Seliz463 10 ай бұрын

That is the holy Virgin Mary

@garrethaines1995 7 ай бұрын

great episode

@celuiquipeut6527 10 ай бұрын

It took me the whole day to listen to this. Because i work on the phone. So i can only listen bit by bit. What a day I had!!

@tiberiunicolae5153 11 ай бұрын

Let us listen. Thanks JBP.

@markanderson3376 11 ай бұрын

I just finished reading his excellent book on colonialism so very interesting to hear this discussion with him.

@davvis1989 9 ай бұрын

Very interesting and important. Want to read this book now. Thanks👍

@reneenoldus3621 10 ай бұрын

Absoluut brilliance! Thank you!

@lindaward5281 11 ай бұрын

As a HUMAN BEING regardless of religion we know how, without experiencing it ourselves, that we don't want to be hungry, cold, lonely, poorly treated by others etc,. I think that is enough, in it's self, to give us some notion of what is right and what is not right, therefore a guide for how to treat others. "Do onto others as we would have them treat ourselves." There is a reason that this is called the GOLDEN RULE.

@JD-ij8bz 11 ай бұрын

what actions can we take to prevent these mobbish legal attacks ? it is sickening to hear about them , especially happening to people trying to do right

@cargumdeu 11 ай бұрын

Join the Free Speech Union. They've had some notable successes.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

Oh, of course! How dare anyone question the glorious act of colonization! It's truly sickening to see those pesky "mobbish legal attacks" against such noble endeavors. Because, clearly, anyone who criticizes colonization must be part of a mindless mob, right? Let's not waste our time considering the legitimate grievances of marginalized communities or acknowledging the atrocities committed during the colonization era. No, no, let's just brush it all aside and play the victim card for those poor, misunderstood colonizers who were simply "trying to do right." It's not like colonization involved forced displacement, cultural destruction, or the subjugation of entire nations, right? Instead of reflecting on the painful legacy of colonization and addressing its ongoing impacts, let's divert attention by labeling any form of accountability as an attack. Who needs to learn from history and work towards a more equitable future when we can just cling to the romanticized notion of benevolent colonizers doing no wrong? So, by all means, let's continue to ignore the voices of the marginalized, dismiss legitimate legal challenges, and bask in the comforting glow of our self-righteousness. After all, who needs progress when we can perpetuate the status quo and remain blissfully ignorant?

@JD-ij8bz 10 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375 how is colonization relevant to this discussion?

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

@@JD-ij8bz Your astute observation about the irrelevance of colonization in this discussion is truly commendable. Let's all just pretend it never happened and continue blissfully ignorant of its far-reaching implications.

@JD-ij8bz 10 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375 oh woops thought this was a different vid . what is the current issue that you think colonialism caused , and what do you think would be a good solution ?

@timwhiston8279 10 ай бұрын

Thank you dear Dr's ❤❤❤❤❤I have Dr Peterson's book , off to buy Dr Biggars ❤❤❤

@marisyllap2075 10 ай бұрын

This conversation is wonderfully refreshing because it proposes a sane balanced perspective. Well done, gentlemen!

@suzettevdm51 10 ай бұрын

Should mention the Boer War and Apartheid flowing from it

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

The mere suggestion of sanity and balance in a conversation has left me positively awe-struck. Bravo, gentlemen, for achieving such a herculean feat in the treacherous realm of discourse! How fortunate we are to witness the grand spectacle of your intellectual prowess, for surely, the world has been starving for your sage wisdom and measured insights.

@AallthewaytoZ2 11 ай бұрын

It would be interesting for Jordan Peteron to review and discuss Operation Legacy.

@5thdimension954 11 ай бұрын

This Mr.Biggar is only going to get bigger… not cancelled. Buying his book now

@quercus21 11 ай бұрын

I highly recommend.

@eleanorglab3037 10 ай бұрын

Wonderful discussion - nuanced, reasoned and thought-provoking. Such a breath of fresh air on this topic. On a different note, Dr Peterson, you're looking very well indeed - bronzed, glowing and strong. Whatever you're doing, keep it up!

@Seliz463 10 ай бұрын

I was just thinking about how healthy and good he is looking. To be fair, some of that is the makeup and lighting team that he now gets from the DW

@ruth112 11 ай бұрын

Really enjoyed this podcast. Side note: Dr. Peterson is looking extremely well and healthy 🙏

@davidswift9120 11 ай бұрын

Thank you Dr.Bigger. I'll be buying your book. A lot of courage it takes to face the mob. I'm ashamed to say that I wouldn't have been able to suffer that treatment myself. I was looking at many of the comments below by the way; all of them positive. Is this an echo chamber that KZbin is presenting me, or is it really true? There's no way I can honestly know unfortunately.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

He sounded more like Dr. Bugger, than Dr. Bigger.

@dareekie2074 10 ай бұрын

The abolition of slavery, the slave trade and its suppression by the British Royal Navy against all financial self interest must rank as the most amazing humanitarian advance in world history. It could only have been done by an imperial world power with the military and financial muscle to actually enforce it. This was the unique achievement of the British Empire.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

How delightfully erudite to extol the virtues of the British Empire's supposed altruistic magnanimity in eradicating the very institution of slavery, conveniently disregarding their own financial self-interest and centuries of profiting from the deplorable trade. Yes, surely the suppression of such a heinous practice necessitated the prowess of an imperial behemoth, replete with military might and fiscal clout. How utterly unique and unparalleled this achievement, achieved solely by the hallowed British Empire, as they gallantly pat themselves on the back while conveniently neglecting to mention the immeasurable suffering and exploitation they imposed on indigenous peoples across their vast dominions.

@br1472an 9 ай бұрын

Suppression of the slave trade wasn't based on altruism, as an Empire that relied economically on sale and supply of manufacturerd goods and raw materials having to compete against others that used slave labour was hitting the pockets of Britians merchant classes , in order to compete the British really had no option but to end slavery wherever it could level the playing field so to speak it would be financial suicide not to , true Britain should be commended for ending their slave trade and use of slavery within their colonies and sure their antislavery stand afterwards is possibly their most crowning achievement but it purely wasn't based on it being the right thing to do but more on balancing global market trade .

@rustshoo5068 9 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375. Far better to turn things around without a revolution. Revolutions lead to reigns of terror. Perhaps the American Civil War was the delayed second act of the American Revolution. Certainly Britain can pat itself on the back. The Royal Navy’s decades-long policing of the high seas in the 1800s, in order to clamp down on the slave trade, was hugely expensive.

@arunnaik3375 9 ай бұрын

@@rustshoo5068 Your observations display a significant lack of understanding and knowledge, coupled with naivety. I would strongly encourage you to delve into the study of colonial history or perhaps reserve your misguided theories for conversations with young children who may be more inclined to believe them.

@ariadne9876 8 ай бұрын

@@arunnaik3375 Perhaps you could contribute something more concrete to the discussion rather than sophistry and sarcasm. What specific arguments do you have in favour of British malfeasance specifically regarding their suppression of the slave trade (that do not rely on moralising and attempts to shame your opponent)?

@adg1017 11 ай бұрын

What a fascinating discussion. I have to note that Dr. Peterson looks fantastic! Maybe he should have a series on health, diet, exercise, etc.

@tele-gramMrjordanpeterson 11 ай бұрын

🙏🙏👆 Let talk on telegram,I have something big to discuss with you 💖....

@gailfurnival4342 11 ай бұрын

😅I enjoyed the conversation thank you

@angelabeedoll3311 11 ай бұрын

Reminds me of my first personal meeting and working with a Residential school survivor that said she was glad to have had the experience and get an education. Every single person since has a consistent message of the white colonialism wrong doings. I think we can separately be empathetic to the incredible evils done to children and families and also accept the benefits brought to modern society.

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

Hello, considering that you are a Western person, can I ask you a question, even if it is off topic???

@grannyannie2948 11 ай бұрын

In Australia there are similar narratives. As a mature aged university student I once mentioned to an academic that I knew many Aboriginal girls at boarding school. She replied they were victims of the " stolen generation". I disagreed. We were all over 12, and we all lived on an island that only had a primary school. It was a four hour commute to the mainland where the highschools were. Like my father, their fathers worked hard, and were prepared to pay private school fees, because like my parents, their parents saw the value in completing high school. Nor were they separated from their family or culture as most weekends we went home. The academic said if I spoke of this it would lower my grade. Much of the information about indigenous people is totalitarian propaganda rather than factual.

@arunnaik3375 10 ай бұрын

@@grannyannie2948 Ah, I must applaud your astute observations and unwavering commitment to rewriting history. How dare that academic, armed with years of research and expertise, try to impose their so-called "facts" on your firsthand experience and anecdotal evidence? Clearly, your personal encounters with a handful of Aboriginal girls at a boarding school on a remote island hold far more weight than decades of scholarly work and the lived experiences of countless Indigenous Australians. Who needs nuanced understanding and context when we have your exceptional ability to generalize based on a limited sample size? How could anyone possibly fathom that the Stolen Generations, a dark chapter in Australian history, involved the forced removal of Indigenous children from their families, communities, and cultural roots? It's perfectly logical to assume that every Aboriginal girl you encountered at that school willingly and happily embraced separation from their families because, well, your island had limited educational resources. Obviously, the complex and traumatic experiences of the Stolen Generations can be entirely dismissed by a convenient commute to the mainland. And let us not forget your ultimate trump card: the threat to your academic grade. How dare that academic insinuate that questioning your anecdotal experiences might lead to a lower grade? Surely, they should have bowed down to your unassailable wisdom and rewarded you with the highest honors for bravely challenging the "totalitarian propaganda" that apparently plagues the discourse on Indigenous peoples. Yes, it's abundantly clear that much of the information about Indigenous Australians, their history, and their ongoing struggles is nothing more than a carefully crafted web of lies and manipulation. The tireless efforts of researchers, historians, and Indigenous communities to shed light on the injustices faced by Aboriginal peoples throughout Australia's history are all part of a grand conspiracy, orchestrated to suppress your personal narrative and inflate the victimhood of others. Your disregard for the complexities of history and the experiences of those whose lives have been profoundly impacted by systemic injustices is truly awe-inspiring. I can only hope that more academics and researchers will have the good sense to set aside their rigorous methodologies and peer-reviewed evidence and defer to your anecdotal observations. After all, why rely on factual information and scholarly analysis when we have your unique perspective to guide us towards a more enlightened version of reality?

@sophiasaintmaur9737 11 ай бұрын

I grew up in a former British colony and we missed them a great deal.

@sophiasaintmaur9737 11 ай бұрын

The Empire did 95% good and 5% bad yet the bad has been dramatized, inflated, and we are not allowed to talk about the good

@ayudhsingh7616 11 ай бұрын

@@sophiasaintmaur9737 it's other way around 95 bad 5 average for own interest

@sophiasaintmaur9737 11 ай бұрын

Lots people from the (former) British colonies like to claim victimhood, even though they have nothing to do with what the Brits did generations ago. Victimhood is a currency

@ayudhsingh7616 11 ай бұрын

@@sophiasaintmaur9737 supreme attitude is currency of british. Even though ever brit is under cost of living crisis right now. Your colonies have outgrown you in economy. So shed your supreme attitude and come out of closet british supremacy is over and Britain should apologise to colonies for looting them or give reparations

@shawnaweesner3759 11 ай бұрын

@@ayudhsingh7616. We’re all waiting for you to move to stop living off the British empires wealth that you object to so much! I mean look at BLM. Now there’s an organization that upheld your beliefs. I mean they only stole, murdered, exploited and abused everyone, as Marxist loving fiends, and then moved in with the very people they so professed to hate! Amazing, you are so ignorant.

@LilaSilk 10 ай бұрын

Thank you gentlemen for this interesting and important conversation. I was wondering why no one would speak up and set right, or point out the advantages that "Colonialism" did bring about in the colonised countries. I'm not English, but I as a person do admire societies that are advanced and I'm definitively willing to trade with them, to get me a piece of their inventiveness, and/or labours product, if it helps me advance too in any way. If we compare that to today and all the people lining up at a store to get the latest phone, or gadget. All the third world, or less developped countries trying to life it up to western standards. What are these people doing? Yours is a long overdue book, thank you and wishing you all the best in your upcoming endeavours Dr Biggar.

@brangrah1717 11 ай бұрын

Great interview! If there is such thing as a post-modernist who would have a civil conversation, you should talk to them JBP. It would be very interesting to hear!

@user-ld4eg2hi4m 11 ай бұрын

Greetings. Dr. Dr, Jordan Bernt Peterson & team. While I'm still watching this interview, I Want to express my excitement for the collaboration between you and Brian Roemmele; As proposed in that one. I truly believe it has the potential to revolutionize education and personal growth through AI. Your profound understanding of psychology combined with Brian Roemmele's visionary insights would undoubtedly be groundbreaking. I eagerly look forward to witnessing the incredible impact this partnership will have, please go all in on it.

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

H‏ello, as a Western person, can I ask you a question even if my question is off topic

@user-ld4eg2hi4m 11 ай бұрын

@@Dr_Canopus Hello there. Yes of course, tell me!

@Dr_Canopus 11 ай бұрын

@@user-ld4eg2hi4m I am a student at the university and I was searching for Imam Ali bin Abi Talib....and I want to know what is the extent of knowledge of those who live in the West about Ali bin Abi Talib and is his biography taught in Western colleges

@floxydorathy6611 11 ай бұрын

You cannot cut your way out of recession you've got to invest your way out of recession, the Conservative party are in the dark ages on policy they've got to think again. My primary concern is how to maximize my savings/retirement fund of about £170k which has been sitting duck since forever with zero to no gains.

@jeffystafford 11 ай бұрын

A strategy to protect against inflation is through the U.S stock market, especially the S&P500 & various ETFs. Investors must know where to put their money and how to distribute it in order to protect it against inflation while still making a profit, especially during a recession.

@carter3294 11 ай бұрын

@@jeffystafford The truth is that people are finally waking up to the fact that our systems are breaking down in thousands of different ways all around us. Personally, the financial market seems like the only way to go with my long-term horizon (accumulated about £557,000 in earnings since May 2021), but if you don't have that time luck, it's a tough market out there down almost nowhere feels safe!

@Aziz__0 11 ай бұрын

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@carter3294 11 ай бұрын

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@Aziz__0 11 ай бұрын

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@mmelau-deladetesailleurs2001 10 ай бұрын

❤ just fantastic to listen to this 😊 bravo chaps !)))❤

@JeremyWallaceSnackums 10 ай бұрын

As a combat Infantryman, U.S. ive found a pattern, when asking people about their standards compared to their own individual lives, those people say ONE THING, byt then when asked the same question but orientation is towards the impact outwards, those same people either don't have any answer or their answer is completely opposite of what they said prior. There's some necessary information that can be dug out if we choose to correct, correctly.

@jacquelineandrea8172 11 ай бұрын

It is the Holy Spirit that is the force which guides and motivates us. When you become a Christian your desire is a beautiful holy submission to honour, follow and obey God.

@anangrycat86 11 ай бұрын

Britain was colonised by the romans and the vikings and others long before any of "Britains" colonialism, why isnt that talked about?

@reverendkafka4178 11 ай бұрын

Because they drained, exploited and massacred over such large periods and such large numbers, that everything else seems small in comparison. But then many of the demons escaped to America and built empires there.

@FranklinFleming-lm1yu 11 ай бұрын

Or Spain in South America... Or any other many countries that "colonized".

@jenniferflower9265 11 ай бұрын

Because a system built on a solid foundation prevails. If a foundation crumbles, it was not good to begin with.

@fraseredk7433 11 ай бұрын

@@jenniferflower9265 the foundations were solid when handed over. Bad decisions and corruption undermined them , imho.

@fraseredk7433 11 ай бұрын

@@jenniferflower9265speaking of the British colonial system i hasten to add.

@stephendownes6331 10 ай бұрын

I think it was a ruling of a Scottish court that first identified the illegality of slavery.

@phyllislovelace8151 11 ай бұрын

Thank you gentlemen!

@rudyponzio5871 11 ай бұрын

After we embrace humanity and employ nothing but our highest humane center of continuance we will see everything else has become self evident!

@mylifeinpoetrypodcast 11 ай бұрын

@ Dr. Jordan B Peterson. I have listened to this episode despite the fact I am from Kenya (a settler colonial state) when making the argument that the British had realised the limits of their power and were actually quite progressive(Around 1:20:10) . This argument is a tough sell for a country like ours where a proper fight for independence started post world war I. This went thorough world war 2 with a lot of graves are there to commemorate the atrocities that happened here. For us being in the commonwealth is a matter of game theory. With all due respect to Dr. Nigel it is unfair to lump the complex colonial stories under one extremely convenient Narrative. I am certain the book would have been made better with an African Historian as a co-author. I may not be able to explain the dynamics well enough in a youtube comment and I am not able to speak for India, Canada, or South Africa but maaaan this is a tough listen. 😔 The overall outcome of colonisation was neo colonisation for Sub Sahara Africa and before thinking of "How Africansshould take responsibility for their state|." charitably consider that we had to adopt social technologies from our colonial masters and we had to fit within a global worldview of development in the process. I feel so frustrated that this discussion is not being handled with the nuance it deserves. ( And I do not mean censorship just an iron man argument from an African Point of View. (Please do not bury this comment )

@Laking86er 11 ай бұрын

Good comment. I think Jordan would be open to this. Unfortunately, he can't be an expert everywhere, and sometimes when you think you're doing a good deed, you shoot and miss, and I think this is what you are touching on.

@dalibofurnell 11 ай бұрын

I am glad you made this comment! I am South African 🇿🇦 🙏 greetings, neighbor. As I read your comment, I felt some relief as your words seem to resonate with some of what I was trying to determine how to say. Speak out more often, ❤ I don't consider this comment buried, which is another reason why I commented on it , I'd like to see this keep above the ground

@patriciastapleton2625 11 ай бұрын

I read your post with interest and respect. This podcast is so informative for us all. And, as a South African whose family left SA because of apartheid, I know that I would not have been happy to find that my country had been taken over by another nation. But it happened all over the world, and the British colonies were luckier than most. Still not right, I know. But in Africa slavery still persists, which is really wrong. But wait and see what the Chinese will be like.

@timothywalsh6410 11 ай бұрын

I'm glad you commented also. You appear quite respectful and I appreciate that. And of course, you are struggling with some (many??) things that were 'claimed' ie. around the 1:20:10 mark. I didn't hear the same as absolute characterization as you seem to have, but I understand how anyone with history in Kenya's experience could feel the 'bad' comparatively makes any 'good' non-existent. Please keep expressing yourself and challenging thoughts (your own and others') as I will too, with help from those like yourself. Thank you.

@simonahrendt9069 10 ай бұрын

Ever more heroes emerging. Bringing the light of clarity on matters of import. A great hope and a great cause for joy. Maybe we can after all steer this ship all right. Remains to be seen. Thanks for your courage and the fruits of your intellectual and spiritual virtues that you offer up to us. The seed is sown, now let the earth receive. Sing hallelujah!

@frankweinholt8787 9 ай бұрын

An extremely interesting discussion !!!!

@rogerlucas6971 11 ай бұрын

One glaring flaw in this conversation is Biggar's pre-supposition that "human beings have distinct in-group propensities, and that when two groups encounter each other, there is an automatic de-humanization for each other." What is the source for this? It sounds awfully like hobbes, mozi, or montesquie. What information does Biggar have to support this conclusion, given there are just as many philosophers who take the opposite position, such as Locke, Rousseau, Hume, or Calhoun. The only "universal truth" is that all of these "theories" on the "state of nature" were based on hypotheticals, and none of these philosophers have any real proof to support their positions. So what info does Biggar have to assert this "natural human tendency" to feel superior over others, was not a result of social programming as Rousseau posits? What happened to Peterson's position of critically reviewing thoughts from multiple perspectives? It seems there's an inherent contradiction there in this otherwise solid conversation.

@ross2812 11 ай бұрын

Roger Lucas...History would be a good example.

@rogerlucas6971 11 ай бұрын

@@ross2812 please elaborate on this critical point? You mean, recorded human history since the dawn if civilization? I invite you to view Dr. Peterson's other platforms and the comments I posted there.

@Lucas-gm3bv 11 ай бұрын

Finally. Peterson’s serving a bit of meat, and it’s not the over-spiced stuff, either. But it’s not bland. Interesting. Truly.

@zalacainbilbao 8 ай бұрын

The least racist empire was the Spanish one, which was also the first to ban slavery of native Americans in 1504.

@arunnaik3375 9 ай бұрын

The British also carried out "Operation Legacy"." It was a clandestine British government undertaking conducted post-World War II to obfuscate or obliterate sensitive colonial documents within diverse British colonies. The principal aim of this endeavor was to eliminate potentially incriminating or contentious documents that could reveal substantiation of colonial atrocities, human rights violations, or other questionable actions undertaken by British authorities during their colonial governance. The operation was executed in multiple British colonies, encompassing but not restricted to regions in Africa, the Caribbean, and Asia. The documents earmarked for elimination or removal were frequently associated with intelligence, administration, and colonial policies. "Operation Legacy" remained largely covert until the 1980s when certain classified information regarding the operation came to light through declassified documents and whistleblowers. The operation has since been a subject of debate and disapproval, as it raises apprehensions regarding historical accountability, transparency, and access to information pertaining to colonial history and the ramifications of British rule in former colonies.