Sephiroth talks about multiple timelines - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth

Sephiroth talks about multiple timelines in Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
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[@marcusgabriel8365]

The thumbnail looks like Sephiroth is trying to explain the FF7 lore to a casual gamer forcefully

[@SheDroppedTheRamen]

Nice

[@Telyurna]

A nightmare for sure

[@mariogirl8100]

Me explaining the lore to my parents after we saw Advent Children Complete:

[@Jhayzt19]

While pulling cloud's hair? 😂

[@monn-tan]

Sephiroth: the ultimate veteran gamer

[@MotherOfTheCrows]

“Ohhh Cloud, there’s still so much more cryptic shit I need to say…”

[@eyixon]

Hahahahahahaha 💯❤️

[@JackSparrow-ct4mh]

spot on

[@mikedanielsapon5865]

"While you work on finding yourself, here's some shit both Sephiroth and I prepapred to mindfuck you"

[@vagabond4576]

Its that weird poetic words that I thought it was cool back in the day. Japanese love that shit. I started speaking like that in grade school and didnt realize how stupid it made me seem like.

[@iam4026]

Sephiroth would do well at FNAF with his level of crypt

[@o-shawnspecific80]

Sephiroth: "Behold the true nature of reality." Cloud: hears PS2 startup menu in the background.:

[@MetalPcAngel]

someone gotta make an edit of that lol

[@desmondmalone438]

Or another Clean & Simple edit

[@acejumper1681]

​@@MetalPcAngel I agree lol

[@mettatonneoex]

​@@MetalPcAngelyes shitpost story details

[@FaultyTwo]

"The possibility is endless, Cloud. There could be an universe where I convince you to eat an instant noodle while I dressed up as a fox." "... please put me into the lifestream already ..."

[@eyixon]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD

[@iam4026]

Donbei, Donbei, DONBEI

[@mettatonneoex]

Sephiroth: "No Cloud you and Tifa were in a timeline where you made a surprise appearance at the Italian Senate we've gone too far the rabbit hole might as well finish it" Cloud: "[REDACTED FLASHBACK SCENES] my God is Zack gonna be okay after what I did to Aerith"

[@HaxHaunter]

LMAO

[@ChimeraLotietheBunny]

XD lol

[@viella90]

The way aerith pushed cloud as the music swells and sephiroth walks into the church gives me chills everytime. This game is so goddamned beautiful

[@shro_okee]

Sephiroth being the terminator in this one

[@jefthereaper]

Sephiroth going to Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia while being one of the few to retain his memories when doing so. "Oh I'm going to enjoy using this newfound knowledge to alter my original world."

[@eyixon]

Yooooooo!!!!! 💯😂

[@slayer1156]

Heh, thats a nice theory actually. Who knows, that might be what Nomura had in my mind.

[@haileeraestout5567]

Of All The Final Fantasy Theorists They Had To Shoutout FF Peasant

[@mas8705]

Sephiroth: Is that guy in the red shirt supposed to be a plumber? Well, I suppose I can introduce myself if Cloud is here too.

[@richardalejo6606]

Not a theory tbf. This is Sephiroth from OG/Advent Children. So many things point to it. Key art before remake release showed sephiroth with a black wing he didnt have a black wing until advent children. And also i highly recommend googling FF7 Life Stream White and Black. 6 very short paragraphs that "explain things"@@slayer1156

[@CrystalTigerclaw]

“What’s the story of FF7 even about?” “To answer that, we need to talk about parallel universes!”

[@billieeyelash7015]

**[Neil Degrasse Tyson has entered the chat]**

[@Kodiie]

Sad that this is now true

[@JackSparrow-ct4mh]

not necesarly. so far everything plays like the og, the multiverse turned out to be just smokes and mirrors to keep the audience uncertained if the key events are gonna happen.

[@HDY2024]

In a world where there is a shape shifting mind reading mind controlling alien, a demi alien god son, a guy with the most extreme PTSD, an ancient civilisation and a living planet with agency we choose to expand this by adding ..... the multiverse.

[@billieeyelash7015]

@@HDY2024 alright cheetah girl. Calm your tits down.

[@villaniousmustache4898]

In case anyone doesnt already understand, the lifestream was foretold to showcase possible eventualities of choices by people in the ps1 version of the series. It is the collective thought of everyone and everything that exists. Its only now being explored to go beyond after the original timelines conclusion. People forgot remake is a sequel to the original. Not sure how we forget such an important point but here we are..

[@ionel2921]

Yeah that s also piss me off lol everybody talking about multiverse and timelines like nobody ever played the original. A game 20+ years old, a movie, a sequel after the game/movie, prequels, multiple books in between, nobody ever mentioned timeline multiverse shit, now everybody sees only that. As if the lifestream, memories, consciousness, energy or cycle were words never existed in ff vii lore, ainooo😢

[@RichDXtreme247]

@@ionel2921THANK YOU, SOMEONE WITH BRAINS. Jesus Christ, everyone is talking about multiverses and alternate timeline when FF7 DOESN’T DO THAT. Sephiroth is basically forcing changes on the Lifestream memories of people when it shouldn’t happen. Defying their destinies to the point that it’s self-destructing.

[@wolfstyle8945]

Cloud: into the Multiverse

[@slayer1156]

Nah, this is Across the multiverse

[@thegoodwin]

Enter: The Council of Sephiroths

[@ashleykamigawa]

​@@thegoodwin Estuans Interius Ira vehementi Councilroth!

[@thegoodwin]

@@ashleykamigawa , lol

[@ashleykamigawa]

@@thegoodwin It wouldn't surprise me to see 3 Sephiroths trying to kill each other for the multiverse and black materia 😂

[@zaqareemalcolm]

"sephiroth what the fuck are you talking about"

[@acejumper1681]

This could explain why Sephiroth is in Dissidia, Kingdom Hearts, and Super Smash Bros.

[@mariogirl8100]

THE MULTIVERSE THEORY IS REAL!

[@acejumper1681]

​@mariogirl8100 Considering he can create physical manifestations of his will through Remnants as confirmed in Advent Children, I think I found out who Xehanort, and the Master of Masters truly is.

[@caffeineravine4404]

We might even see Sephiroth duking it out with starwars characters because of kingdom hearts and disney.

[@dissmob7648]

"Behold... the true nature of reality!" Cloud: "Who the fuck starts a conversation like that?!"

[@alcatrazvongola]

Sephiroth looks like he's doing some dirty deeds in that thumbnail.

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

For cloud he will.

[@NPC1173]

Nah 😂

[@eyixon]

@@holographicwing naughty boy

[@hakageryu-hz7jz]

done at a reasonable price, of course.

[@Jhayzt19]

He ain't just shoving that muramasa blade of his, right? Right...?

[@samflood5631]

Gotta admit, Sephiroth knows a lot about the Multiverse better than the MCU And DC Extended Universe does. And does a better job presenting it too.

[@LucarioShirona]

To be fair, Professor Hulk did a terrible job at explaining, it's the Ancient One in the same movie and the Loki Show that explained the Multiverse a lot better than Prof. Hulk.

[@phantomsanic3604]

I like the theory I just read of Sephiroth remembering things from Kingdom Hearts and Dissidia and using that knowledge to alter the original world.

[@randeli7785]

In what way? The multiverse explained in this game doesn't seem that far off from other media.

[@jeno._va]

i never get bored of sephiroths yapping

[@crossroads8370]

The real question is do you get tired of Genisis yapping?

[@ovensmuggler5207]

​@@crossroads8370yeah he doesn't have Sephiroth's rizz

[@JackSparrow-ct4mh]

@@ovensmuggler5207 he has some loveless lines tho!

[@EvelynL.1112]

@@ovensmuggler5207 More like all he talks about is LOVELESS. If Genesis didn't talk about LOVELESS 90% of the time, he would be a more effective antagonist.

[@EvelynL.1112]

@@JackSparrow-ct4mh But that's sadly almost all he ever talks about and it's annoying.

[@fligleflorence1542]

Sephiroth really sayin "fuck one timeline i want them ALL!"

[@Misfiring89]

His goal since the OG is to control the Lifestream. That hasn't changed. What changed is that by breaching the boundaries of fate, he found a way to utilize the energy created by short lived worlds as they come and go. He can grow more powerful by absorbing this energy (he did this at the end of Remake, and also end of Rebirth) at the moment a world is destroyed.

[@zaqareemalcolm]

he basically frayed the once singular lifestream into many branches to make it more vulnerable to his attempts of taking control of it

[@toothfairy7765]

They really are gonna use the initial concept for the original FFVII that got repurposed for other games like Xenogears and FF9: “Spirit Energy otherwise known as the lifestream develops through a cycle of separation, union, and diffusion. This holds true at an individual biological level as well as the planetary and galactic levels. In other words, the universe is one giant ever-maturing body of spirit energy. As the universe's energy increases, it gives rise to smaller, separate units of spirit energy, similar to how humans give birth to children. These units are known as cosmic eggs. These cosmic eggs move into alternate dimensions and precipitate big bangs, creating a new universe, and give rise to galaxies, planets, organisms, and so on. This process of separation and union then repeats itself, resulting in further growth of the great expanse. - FINAL FANTASY VII Dismantled, 1997

[@mrshadow7738]

I think that’s what they meant by going deeper into FFVII

[@juanjodpr]

Is Sephiroth trying to become the absolute God above all these realms, using Jenova? Could he even travel to Kingdom Hearts world? Damn, if this is extended so much, even travelling to other Final Fantasy universes might not be impossible for him

[@brimstoneclub]

Tyler Hoechlin as Sephiroth and Cody Christian as Cloud...perfection.

[@korkronwarlord]

Still prefer George Newbern as Seph.

[@qownsqud3207]

Tyler hoechlin is terrible what did you smoke

[@blackroomrob4205]

​@@qownsqud3207 You're allowed to not like the performance but Terrible? That's just dramatic for the sake of being dramatic

[@qownsqud3207]

@@blackroomrob4205 t e r r i b l e

[@qownsqud3207]

@@blackroomrob4205 i think he does a stagerringly worse job than newman. Hes just monotone. No charisma, no edge, just blandness

[@machineferret3359]

Sephiroth is so convincing man I would just join his side that’s how well this villain is written man I’m a new fan of this series and franchise I wish I was old enough to play the original but I was only a toddler but man I’m falling In love with final fantasy especially the 7 series

[@jinchen5161]

there another way just join sephiroth side and destory this world and recreated new one which is good and bringing all life back to live again instead current one which half or character had already died. just let meteor hit the planet so sephiroth can recreate new one lol :D

[@stephe2513]

​@@jinchen5161 real

[@Kumire_921]

wtf does that even mean lol, there's nothing stopping you from playing the og. I wasn't even born when it came out but i still played it like 10 years ago.

[@haileeraestout5567]

I Think He's Talking To Cloud About How The Worlds In Kingdom Hearts Works

[@SteelTumbleweed]

Cloud is essential to his plan while also being the biggest threat to him, he really needs to play his cards right.

[@omega197]

Sepgiroth: silly cloud, we are now in the answers arc Cloud: like in the "when they cry" series? Sephiroth: precisely

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Would say in the 3rd game this Aerith will turn out to be the OG FF7 Aeirth. Just the way she is talking like she knows what is going to happen.

[@Neo-Midgar]

Well he did say at one point that this Aerith has been hiding from him in this world, so it would stand to reason that this is the Aerith counterpart of this 'Multiverse Sephiroth' who seems to come from OG FF7

[@haileeraestout5567]

Oh Hey@@Neo-Midgar Love Your Content

[@Neo-Midgar]

@@haileeraestout5567 Thanks! 😊

[@deangelomckersley5333]

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth: The Sephiroth Dynasty

[@ECOTecJeff83]

People are claiming Kingdom hearts but has anyone ever played Chrono Cross. Zack is basically playing the role of Serge right now.

[@Kodiie]

When people compare it to KH it’s a statement on the quality of writing not just the universe/time travel elements. It would be a compliment to be compared to the chrono series.

[@ECOTecJeff83]

@@Kodiie yeah the fact that Alternate dimension Zack is pushed into a world where Zack is dead that is pretty much serge in a world where serge is dead. Sephiroth is pretty much playing the act of Lynx/Dark Serge. Lynx wanted a very similar thing to destroy both worlds and not only that he wanted to make it where the world's couldn't be crossed anymore. He knew serges was the key.now I don't think Zack is that complex lol.

[@Mike-ix5sv]

If the Serge/Crono cross reference was accurate, zack and sephiroth would have swapped bodies

[@ECOTecJeff83]

@@Mike-ix5sv yeap that's the only thing they missed.

[@awtodor]

​@@Mike-ix5svwe still have one more game..

[@mariogirl8100]

Sephiroth at Cloud: "Have you ever watched Steins;Gate, Cloud?"

[@shiroutheherotraceon3313]

I don't think Cloud will pull an Okabe where he tricks his past self into thinking Aerith's dead but everyone lives anyway. XD

[@HaxHaunter]

@@shiroutheherotraceon3313 in this case, it seems cloud's mind is mixed between two timelines happening at the same time by the end of Rebirth, so now he sees two worlds in one through the same lens.

[@Jinmarui]

Sephiroth: CRYPTIC METAPHOR! Cloud:

[@GameFrankAdvance]

Sephiroth explaining half an A press to cloud.

[@teodorbretvold248]

The music.... GOD the music!

[@aeris7fairy]

Right?!

[@Bevlar90]

I waited 8 years to hear THIS theme Remade and it was worth it

[@CJusticeHappen21]

Stories are never finish, only ever abandoned. Gives more meaning that the term "reunion", doesn't it?

[@LygarZeroX]

this is the original aerith speaking to us. the one that knows everything.

[@buahkelapaliar8829]

So, that's mean we can meet 1997 Cloud in part 3? That cloud after event of advent children and dirge of cerberus?

[@GenesisJames]

The scene where Aerith pushes Cloud and you see Sephiroth slowly entering the church is one of my favorite scenes in the game, holy shit. It said so much with so little; Sephiroth is an absolute menace in every timeline, and Aerith is tragic in every timeline. Unless the theories are true in that Cloud created a timeline where Aerith doesn't die when he hit Sephiroth's sword... Sephiroth killing Aerith is truly a canon event.

[@mattgee4867]

It might be a singular event that needs to happen in every timeline for Sephiroth to be defeated. So Sephiroth knew he has to create a reality where she lives to break the cycle. He used Cloud's (and the fan's) hope of saving her to achieve this. And in the end the Aerith that survived will have to sacrifice to restore the status quo. So in a meta way it's the writers telling the fans that they need to let go of the idea of saving Aerith, because her death is a vital part in the survival of the FFVII universe.

[@khmaster17]

That reminds me of an episode of What If? where Doctor Strange tried changing the past to save his loved one but no matter what she kept dying one way or another. I think it was called Absolute Point in time. So Aeriths death could be inevitable.

[@cathygrandstaff1957]

Looks like Nomura took fan theories about Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy VII being related seriously.

[@R.-.W]

Nomura didnt write any of this, it’s all Kitase and Hamaguchi. Nomura’s said it himself that he wanted to make a more faithful remake.

[@mrshadow7738]

@@R.-.Wnojima*

[@R.-.W]

@@mrshadow7738 ah and him too yeah, there’s a lot of people beside Nomura who have hands in this

[@thedarkderp2520]

​@@R.-.Wyeah it sucks people keep blaming Nomura for the direction the remake project is going when he isn't involved with the writing i love the remake games btw

[@stormcutter59]

@@R.-.W With all due respect, Nomura is a LIAR dude. Nobody believes that. I mean come on, you don't think the guy would want to avoid heat? I'm not saying its not Kitase's fault as well, he approves everything, but if you mean to tell me Nomura has absolutely NOTHING to do with ANY of these plot elements despite being the CREATIVE DIRECTOR (you see his name before Kitase even shows up in the credits), you're insane. This is just a defense on Nomura out of desperation. He TOTALLY had a hand in this. Its got his DNA written all over it. Now whether you think he did a good job or not is one thing, but his execution of his "style" is VERY familiar to me and I can see it in spades with this game. Its pretty easy to spot

[@CarlosCastillo-vi1pn]

Shot in the dark next game gonna be called reunion

[@MrAbcdeFtw]

Oh totally.

[@a.r.m.ymoaengene6250]

crisis core already took that title

[@thegoodwin]

Remerge, possibly

[@thermicterror2951]

​@a.r.m.ymoaengene6250 yeah but we can have crisis core reunion and final fantasy 7 reunion. It would be a little confusing but people will just refer to crisis core as crisis core

[@ryanrobillard6484]

I think if part 3 is the last I would say "Rejuvenation", "Resolution", or "Resurrection". If there is to be a part 4 then those would be for that and the next one would be something like "Retribution" or "Retaliation"

[@laurawasnewsky155]

So Sephiroth's basically on some Heaven Ascension Dio type nonsense now? 😅

[@hakageryu-hz7jz]

Quick, throw another Sephiroth's Diamond Bangle at him

[@laurawasnewsky155]

@@hakageryu-hz7jz Or alternatively, Cloud and company should just get Jotaro on board to deal with Sephiroth for them. Wouldn't be the first time he's defeated a ridiculously powerful inhuman threat with a god complex. 😂 Edit: and what makes this mental image even more hilarious is that Sephiroth's Japanese voice actor also played Kira in the Part 4 anime. So now I'm just imagining it sounding like that scene when Jotaro beat the ever living hell out of Kira after the latter hurt Koichi. 😂

[@Pyre]

"Here's the thing kid: multiverse theory's a bitch."

[@pandaeyez]

luckily this aint multiverse, its all in the lifestream

[@Just_A_Random_Desk]

@@pandaeyez so aerith can stay gone lmao

[@falgalhutkinsmarzcal3962]

Cloud and Seph floating around just seems like baiting. When are they going to hold hands, gingerly touch their sword tips, and retire to the beach of Costa Del Sol together, Barret in his sailor suit doing the YMCA Village People song?

[@mattgee4867]

Damn that music kicking in at 1:54

[@kvltofsobek90]

If Cloud were a human being and not a carboard cutout he would be asking the "how" and "why" questions

[@teejay5432]

I know but all the characters are like this. Instead of asking useful questions just stare, gasp or announce each other's names.

[@chilomine839]

​​​@@teejay5432 Char 1: You! Villain: Yes! Me! Char 2: Him? Char 1: Yes him! Char 3: Why him?! Villain: Because! All: *Gasps*

[@personahearts358]

Cloud doesn’t have to because he is simply more than smart enough to get everything being told his way

[@thedarkderp2520]

Or Cloud doesn't care to question the man who killed his mom and burned down his village

[@figuures6098]

This is peak mind control/brain addled Cloud, adding the psychedelic experience of "the universe is infinite and so are all of us" just adds to his fucked-up-ness. I think this is gonna add to the difficulty for him next game to accept who he is, embrace his emotions for his friends etc. Like, i could see him not caring about tifa/barret or anyone getting hurt or in danger, cause like, he's just gonna unite timelines to save aerith, so there's prob a timeline where they're not in danger or hurt anyway Aerith and Sephy are just S2 Loki at this point anyway, they're timeslipping between timelines to try and ensure the outcome they want.

[@jeremyfields9009]

Aerith is literally the strongest character in Final Fantasy. Imagine knowing your fate but you still use the time you have left to uplift other people.

[@lostwolf4610]

I don't think the word "strongest" is fitting here cause normally you use that word for power levels and strength. Maybe the word brave or strong willed might be mor fitting for the message that you are trying to convey

[@SwobyJ]

@@lostwolf4610 She's the strongest.

[@lostwolf4610]

@@EvelynL.1112 yeah but he didn't say all of ff7 he said all of FF

[@destruction9544]

​@@SwobyJkilled completely crazy herself not in the top 15, she was courageous yes but they are not strong there are people who suffered destinies much crazier than all those that aerith knew go see FF 14 and you will see the difference between the tragic destiny of the MC of 14 and that of Aerith.

[@user-pz6qz9xr1l]

Laughs in chaos

[@Memehuskie]

At this point I won’t be surprised if sora just make a cameo on part 3

[@delsingeiming]

The thumbnail could be a meme

[@jthecryptid]

To be clear: this is NOT an MCU-style multiverse. There's an easy-to-miss NPC in Cosmo Canyon that says (paraphrasing): the Lifestream/mako is made up of memories. But memories aren't just real events. We remember dreams, goals for the future, fictional stories etc. In the lifestream, these dreams/fantasies become pocket worlds where the dead reconcile/resist and relive their deaths. (That's why Zack and Biggs are constantly being gunned down by Shinra snipers.) Its very similar to FFX's Farplane In the OG, mako poisoning is described as trippy dreamlike/memory-infused coma. When we enter Cloud's subconscious to unlock his memories, we're in a dreamlike world; there's even a glowing crack in the sky. Nothing's changed, this same concept is being applied to the entire Lifestream and elaborated on. In the context of Rebirth, OG Cloud's subconsciousness was a temporary dream world, a safe haven to piece his memory together before fading away

[@pillarsoflight2607]

I wouldn't be surprised if Ultimecia had some influence in this.

[@FishmaKing4]

At this everything is possible😂. Maybe will find out that aerith is rinoa's sister

[@slayer1156]

I'd really love some FF8 lovin. After watching Aerith die twice, then come back, then leave, then hang aroud as Clouds schizo girlfriend, I guess that wouldnt be too crazy.

[@phillipnevonen8842]

Taught him during the Dissidia cycles and he still remembers all of it.

[@christianlopez707]

If I remember right, Nomura had commented how some ideas that he couldn't implement in the og FF7 he used in FF8. So he, Kitase, or Nojima are probably using remake as an opportunity to add them.

[@CodeXCDM]

If any installment is connected, it's FFX. There's a Shinra there.

[@chilomine839]

*Sees thumbnail* "Oh come on that was on purpose!" -Sir Integra

[@mariogirl8100]

Hahahaha! Funny because Vincent could very well be Alucard in another timeline. (Imagine if he was voiced by Crispin Freeman though)

[@elijahdubois7902]

Well, I guess the 3rd game will focus on the multiverse. I'm excited but worried.

[@FN-170]

I'm betting it now that the 3rd game will be about combining all the multiverse into 1 true timeline where sephiroth can come back whole and try to rule the world or somethin.

[@jeremyzak654]

I'm more worried than excited. Everytime comics, movies, and video games dips into the multiverse pool it becomes dumber for it. Bayonetta 3 is a perfect example of how trash this concept can get.

[@NickMario1]

@@jeremyzak654what happened in that game?

[@elijahdubois7902]

@@jeremyzak654 Yh, like alternate versions of characters. Don't get me wrong, alternate versions of characters are cool, but when they overdue the concept, that's when it gets messy.

[@thegoodwin]

As they say, the power of the multiverse concept needs to have a limit.

[@megasoniczxx]

Sephiroth: Now it's time to talk about Parallel Universes

[@mikedancoolguy4574]

He’s the thanos in final fantasy

[@michaelrobosa146]

You mean, Kang the Conqueror of Final Fantasy. Thanos is not a multiverse villain

[@jamesestrella5911]

This is still accurate, he did acquire the inclination when he saw the avengers traveling time and universes.

[@thegoodwin]

​@@michaelrobosa146, Sephiroth Dynasty. The Council of Sephiroths.

[@JettzCG]

The Lufenians were

[@larrymitchell9897]

" I am Sephiroth and you talk to ants"🤣🤣🤣

[@Spooknight]

Watch Squall and Zidane showing up later

[@EvelynL.1112]

Or maybe Tidus?

[@blackmetalmaster4453]

this reminded me of The Flash tv show where the whole show takes place in an alternate timeline and everything happens 6 years earlier than they were supposed to

[@Joshua.670]

Alright, whose the einstein who decided to give sephiroth the reality stone

[@fabioalencar7428]

FF VII Remake seems to have some of the plot of FF XIII-2: timeline change. (FF VII Remake parece ter um pouco do enredo de FF XIII-2: mudança da linha do tempo.)

[@jemandjemand2362]

its already tired, lazy and tacky

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

It's a possibility multiverse aerith and Zack will help us in part 3.

[@vinceunknown1935]

I had a feeling that we would get both Aerith dieing and then being alive again as well

[@jcceno4273]

She's dead dead, cloud's mind is broken

[@EvelynL.1112]

@@jcceno4273 That didn't stop her from saving the planet in the end, did it? Without her, Meteor wouldn't have been destroyed and the Geostigma pandemic wouldn't have a cure.

[@jcceno4273]

@@EvelynL.1112 thats her in the lifestream

[@EvelynL.1112]

@@jcceno4273 Didn't stop her from saving everyone and the planet.

[@RusselledJimmy]

I mean....we don't know what could have happened to Cloud when he went through the Mako back in the original. The idea of multiverses was too much for that Cloud. Iterations could have had different outcomes. The idea that mako energy is what combines the worlds in a multiverse makes sense. People are just upset that it looks like FF7 is just jumping on the bandwagon of multiverse stuff.

[@jthecryptid]

If you speak to mako-poisoned Cloud, he references Chrono Trigger iirc...

[@hgdfhgfdhjfg]

You know what Cloud's subconscious looks like in the original? A great white void, with a rift in the sky, full of worlds Cloud made up in his head. Meanwhile, this little demon named Sephiroth is clawing its way inside the head of that poor broken boy. Sound familiar? Oh and Cloud really shouldn't remember Aerith according to Sephiroth. Sephiroth is having a field day inside Cloud's head, killing the memory of Aerith everywhere. The sick part is that he breaks Cloud by pushing him deeper into his own mental illness. Cloud copes, he creates worlds where it's easy to defy destiny. But Sephiroth wants him as a puppet to go to the reunion. "Behold, the true nature of reality. All these worlds are real Cloud, let's defy destiny together. We will see the Reunion of worlds! Remember that word: Reunion" Then, Sephiroth lures Cloud to another world to seal the deal. Opening a rainbow portal, portals Cloud creates everytime he goes from one fantasy world to another, he sends Cloud to a fake version of where Cloud's actual drooling body is being dragged by Barret: The sleeping forest. He makes Cloud believe he has the white materia. Not the one he got when he fell unconscious, at the bottom of the pit where the remple was. The black one. But Cloud wakes up.... Oh look the forest! His friends tell him: Dude you were OUT. Your eyes were all twitching and shit! Cloud tells them about a multiverse. All the rest are thinking is "this guy is freaking nuts"

[@SwobyJ]

In FFVII, wasn't just his subconscious, it was Aerith (Compilation, dubious canon) helping connect Cloud and Tifa's consciousnesses to the Lifestream, to exist in a new plane of existence borne of Cloud's memory, so he can reconstitute his identity, with Tifa as his guide. It was a legitimate reality, with any words like 'dream' or 'vision' to be used only as sly shorthand. As it is a legitimate reality in Rebirth, when Tifa is pulled into the Lifestream temporarily by the small Weapon. She had a fragile world of memory she was able to employ as a tool to remember and refocus on important times of the past, that end up helping her in finally getting a little through to Cloud. Sephiroth mixes truths and falsehoods. His broad strokes reality explanations can be true, while he is omitting or changing crucial elements (lying). Cloud can just as well be mixed in with the full reality of the Planet, while heavily manipulated in how he's doing so. Sephiroth insists on forcing the narrative towards Reunion (whether due to his will or Jenova's corruption), but this doesn't mean that the worlds aren't a legitimate expansion of FFVII lore for this trilogy's purpose. We can have one or perhaps more worlds that are born of and follow the Planet's will, many compromised worlds that split off as a result of destiny being defied, and conscious or subconsciously summoned pocket worlds brought forth from one's Lifestream connection, but unable to manifest with comprehensive rules. If it is all a dream of the planet, it all works. Sephiroth however insists on everything coming together by his force and his will, no matter the damage (whether it'll be shown as paradoxes, widespread madness and monsters, Jenova's full fledged return, who knows yet). But I have to disagree - Cloud really went with Aerith, a real Aerith, to another world, she swapped him a hollow white materia, Sephiroth didn't approve, and at the end, a further scheme swapped the hollow white and the black materia. We don't have to assume all manifestations of Sephiroth are on the same level, or have the same interests or awareness. There can be the FFVII-typical one that is physical at the crater and projects through other Sephiroth-appearing puppets, there can also be one in the Lifestream that seeks to encourage a Trilogy-new plan of manipulating reality, and there might even be one that is beyond it all, encouraging something very different. Just as in FFVII, Cloud can be going mad, while still involved with forces and powers that reflect something very real.

[@stargazer2280]

So I guess there is a reality where we had a drunk Sephiroth as Rick Sanchez and Cloud as his wimpy grandson Morty Smith as a sidekick?

[@blackroomrob4205]

"Cloud. Bring me the Buh-*burp*-Black Materia. I need you to put it inside your butt, Cloud." 😂

[@KentC0813]

multiverse is the new trend now huh

[@piccoroz]

I finally get it, OG FF7 wasnt even the original timeline, the original timeline was zack surviving and midgar destroyed by meteor, this is why clouds behavior was already so weird in OG, not really jenovas cells, we was already pushed around by whispers.

[@Fragmentsinfractals488]

It is implied the Whispers are literally Destiny. You control them, you control the Way Reality Remembers itself. How it Lives, how it Dies, if it dies When it dies. Think of Living in somebody's Unconscious Mind. And JENOVA lives in that Mind with the Souls. As does Sephiroth. As does everyone touched by JENOVA. All of Us, All for Us.

[@GZ-ki2gy]

I kind of agree because in OG even if Sephiroth failed planet is doomed anyway. In AC it shows Sephiroth can still come back. So I think the OG is the one where Zack lives, and Aerith still alive. That's why they keep saying you should save Aerith

[@BlueNightZX]

That thumbnail tho

[@ZonnexNecton]

Sephiroth: “Hear that. Aerith is about to have her soul sucked.”

[@witchking008]

Wat dat soul do 👅👅👅💦💦

[@anthonygonzalez9268]

4:44 Showed Cloud the future where he becomes a clone

[@sparthyslaysstuff2405]

Multiversal Sephiroth? Multiversal Sephiroth!

[@hevanibelheim]

wow amazing!

[@keithpeterson3805]

Somehow I think this scene is how cloud got the black materia at the end

[@rhythmandacoustics]

How will they do the 3rd part? It will be huge since there are some parts missing, like Wutai, Mideel, Northern Crater, Weapons, Outer Space, Huge Materia, Meteor, Rocket Town, Shinra Sister Ray, More Summons, etc. How will they fit all of those?

[@SwobyJ]

With hard work and resources? They'll likely cut some areas that were fine as one-and-dones, like a few dungeons such as Mythril Mines. There's only 4 more summons left, what's more interesting is if they'll finally handle it all in a more immersive way. Yes there's going to be places like North, Rocket Town, Wutai, Mideel, and theoretically that Ever Crisis area since that game is now being pulled in. It won't be as much of a progressive world journey so major cutscenes that'd be used for that, will be used for the more world-scattered events like you list.

[@sandorcleg7393]

Well assuming they remain faithful to the third part and not cut a lot out and place pieces that don’t make much sense like the overdone multiverse trend, OG disk 2 covers from Aerith’s death aftermath to the final raid on Midgar while OG disk 3 is just the final dungeon. That can all easily be put into the final game. What I’m honestly wondering is how will the high wind work in a giant world like 7’s. It’s going to be interesting and exciting😊

[@awsomeboy360]

@@sandorcleg7393 You forgot under water and revisting everything. Part 3 will possible be as big as Rebirth if not bigger story content wise. They can easily make it another 50 hours of story. And I'm sure revisiting Midgar will be even more fleshed out than it was in the original. And you forgot about the mountain town up north before they go to Northern Crater

[@catkaboodle]

​​@@sandorcleg7393 Time travel in this game is just Back to the Future II. The extra step is that this story's writers actually take "matter and energy cannot be created or destroyed" seriously and made it so that there is a point in spacetime where all timelines end and begin (this is partly inspired by the concept of eternal recurrence in some religions). The Biff Tannen of this tale is trying to use that place of death and rebirth to collapse all the branches into a single branch where he uses the almanac to get rich. All of this has now been explained in three sentences stacked on top of a scene from an 80s movie that is less than five minutes long. The biggest mistake I can see them making is assuming that every Christian and Muslim (and people raised in those religions) will understand all of this without help. Abrahamic religion has no concept of cyclical time and sees it as a matter of Birth ----> Death, so the concept of Birth ---> Death ---> Birth ---> Death is going to be a lot to digest for a lot of people without a clear explanation.

[@kh_167]

Time. Space. Reality. It's more than a linear path. It's a prism of endless possibility. Where a single choice can branch out into infinite realities, creating alternate worlds from the ones you know. Each a reflection of what could have been. Some heroes will rise, others will fall. And nothing will be the same. I am the Watcher. I am your guide through these vast new realities. Follow me and dare to face the unknown, and ponder the question... What if?

[@kaihedgie1747]

To the people claiming "oh this is just Kingdom Hearts now", Final Fantasy has dabbled into alternate timelines as early as day one with the original Final Fantasy, and I'm not referring to Stranger of Paradise. Timelines were also a plot point in FFVIII. You even played as characters from the past

[@coreydee-el-oh]

Yeah but ff7 wasn't about that at all. I think it's just a way to not upset new fans with the darker aspects of the story

[@joshpetty7686]

Timelines were never a part of ff7.

[@jinnimoo]

Playing as the same characters but from the past is NOT the same as straight-up universe hopping and having multiple parallel characters. Just hope they nail the concept and not get too convoluted, even the jp fanbase is screaming they have no idea what's going on/will happen.

[@kaihedgie1747]

​@@jinnimoo You aren't playing as the same characters from the past. You play as Zack in certain sections in this game as just as you played as Laguna and his friends in their own story from the past. Also, FFVII's instigating antagonist Jenova is literally a planet-hopping space vampire

[@jinnimoo]

​@kaihedgie1747 Been over a decade since I played ff8, yeh there are other characters from the past you play as, but ultimately it's not a multiverse/parallel world story. The issue with ff7 here for most people is that this oversaturated timeline concept was never part of the narrative to begin with, so long time fans are a bit trepid on where they're going with it, or why it needed to exist in the first place.

[@reloadpsi]

This isn't Kingdom Hearts anymore. It's Sonichu. Let me explain. The main characters are a dangerous, malicious psychopath with horrible fashion sense, a scary weird obsession with their mother, and who constantly bangs on about the merging of dimensions and worlds while identifying as their god, as well as a guy who looks exactly like an ostensibly more successful character but with yellow hair.

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

Never before have I both wanted something to be not true and true as much as this. It's so dumb, but it's so _hilarious!_ but it's _SO _*_DUMB!_*

[@MrBioMoneky]

Someone please tell me whats the ost. Thank you

[@SaberRexZealot]

3:34 I’m not over the moon with this new story direction but I love this dialog exchange. Sephiroth sounds truly unhinged.

[@andresgarza8511]

Cant wait for the reunion in part 3 with aerith and zack

[@LeocaprioDinardo]

Lol

[@RichDXtreme247]

Sephiroth: Okay, you know that multiverse and alternative timeline stuff? Forget all of that. I tried it. Didn’t work; I couldn’t go anywhere. Next best thing? Disrupting the Lifestream’s multitude of memories to create forced changes and with those changes, they’ll destroy themselves. It’ll be my opportunity gathering them all in the Reunion to reach divine power.

[@wst1129]

Soon, Cloud and Sephiroth will appear in Magic The Gathering. This will be an interesting....reunion

[@Sephiroth08150]

Sephiroth: *explains the multiverse* Sephiroth: But hey... It's just a theory. Sephiroth: *rips a rubber mask off, revealing MatPat underneath* MatPat: ...a GAME THEORY! MatPat: Thanks for watching!

[@elianwilliams]

Oh so THATS why MatPat retired, he had to go satisfy Jenova’s will

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

Mat wasn't sad about leaving KZbin. Why SHOULD he be sad? He's the Chosen one! Put on this planet for the purpose of taking it back from us loathsome humans!

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

He will destroy countless universes in order to cultivate one where the Phone Guy was William Afton and the ghosts never moved on.

[@basedkaiser5352]

What is bro yapping about ?

[@JoeCoolMaveric]

The Homunculus from Shadow of Destiny: Well, let's try an analogy. It may seem trivial, but suppose you're in a cafe, trying to decide between coffee and tea. The you that chooses coffee after a long deliberation, and the you that chooses tea actually both exist. Except that your fates diverge at that point and there is no way either of you can ever know what happened to the other one.

[@MiracleX19]

I'm not sure I follow this. Where is this going?

[@austinspalding4745]

"I will bring you despair..." "..."But first, we need to talk about parallel universes"

[@phantomslay5612]

So, basic translation. Because we defied destiny and the whisper harbinger was destroyed, more new worlds and timelines were created. Some die faster than others for various reasons. But all are united by the life stream. Sephiroth seeks to merge these other worlds together in the ‘reunion’ to create his ideal world where he will not end.

[@mariogirl8100]

So I might be right about him seeking to make all timelines merge and then proceed to become God via the same plan from the OG?

[@DvonParker]

Imagine if Sora popped up on one of the timelines 😮😮😮

[@brimstoneclub]

4:44 so in another timeline, Cloud was part of Organization XIII?

[@Samuel_Loegan]

So this is like MK 1 now? At least with MK 1, it isn't complicated. But with FF7? It'll be complicated as heck

[@ShatteredPedestal7]

Mk already had 3 reboots, so I don’t know what you mean by “isn’t complicated.”

[@MIMMOXX12]

Nomura ideal plot: timelines!

[@gothmedli]

my guess is less so time and more so memetic lifestreams..? memories and will/thoughts, making new threads of the lifestream and because it’s apart of lifestream it’ll always pull apart and return to the planet. but maybe this specific Sephiroth (cuz there are multiple) and now Aerith, exist separately from the lifestream… (hence the new type of whispers) that are more so born out of their will.. memetic legacies are a reoccurring theme… so i’d guess in a way, merging it all together would stop the separation cycle, maybe make a limbo… similar to the situation of the world with Tidus and Yuna. i don’t think the merging of worlds would be like Ultimecia’s time compression, as in to bring all life to one point and end living… Merging of worlds would maybe just mean.. no longer being dissolved in and out of the lifestream which is kind of what we are seeing Zack and Aerith do now and i know it’s what Sephiroth does.. to an extent at least one of the Sephiroth’s anyway (using his will and specific memories to defy the cycle of the planet and exist) will is also why Sephiroth easily overrides Jenova’s parasitic nature, because she naturally has no will outside of her virus like system of existing. Sephiroth assimilates Jenova, with his will. Jenova influences others will and thoughts through memories (becoming the things you know and are familiar with in order to manipulate) dreams and honor… are just will and memories in another way too i guess…. will and memories constantly pop up. but… i dunno… Sephiroth can you explain it to me like it’s the bite of 87…

[@gothmedli]

but i guess you could argue that the lifestream and memories are a form of time..??? but not in the concept of linear time… we also hear conversations about dreams/will and memories creating a way to see into the “lifestream” by one of those ladies in the talking circle at cosmo canyon i think and maybe that’s why all the stamps are military themed small dog breed and we haven’t seen something like, those hellhound dogs (like Rufus pet) be a stamp because people remember it being some sort of lap dog…? i dunno!!! ashhdksk let me shut up

[@Insultedyeti712]

This will end up being the same story mark my words

[@gothmedli]

@@Insultedyeti712if it does that’s boring as ever og 7 is good as it is opportunity to do something new just to do the same thing would suck

[@Kumire_921]

Plotline of this game is so chaotic now, give Nomura the reins and he can ruin anything.. even something as good as FF7

[@stampoulisrafael5262]

He did not write the story,you moronic hater lmak

[@stampoulisrafael5262]

And western people are realy dumb,"oh no another timeline so confusing,my 5th grader brain can't take it

[@catkaboodle]

Nah, Kitase is still running the show as producer and was approaching Kevin Feige levels of "influencing" the plot (though he was the director of OG FF7 so he has way more of a right to do that than Feige). Hamaguchi and Nomura were advocating to make the time travel less complicated and, believe it or not, they succeeded-- this is just Back to the Future II with extra steps.

[@Nobodysurvivesevenonebit]

I actually like the multiverse. It opens up to unpredictable fate of uncertainity.

[@mariogirl8100]

YES! YOU GET IT! IT OPENS THE GATEWAY TO MORE POSSIBILITIES RATHER THAN THE EXACT SAME THING AS BEFORE!

[@0b64]

Or things could get worse than before

[@fortheloveofkpop]

yooo i need them to release the ost for this damn game the music is on point

[@Sahrah3201]

i loved rebirth so much but i find it kinda strange how they said this game would be an "unknown journey" to the original story but rebirth seemed to be 90% identical to the original story of ff7 1997? did any of you guys find that strange

[@bravosix2960]

Storywise this is way different wdym? Ofc there is the same areas and stuff like that though.

[@Cuzalino]

Multiple timelinessssss! 😮‍💨

[@MTH062K.O]

Cloud Morales 👍

[@user-wj2ov8kq1o]

Sephiroth: Hey cloud, guess what. We're in a Nomura game

[@quazarKiragon]

All in all it does make sense that they are all in someway connected, much like a good majority of the FF has a cid, a chocobo omega weapon how even that being has clouds ultimate weapon in ff8, so its safe to assume that FF is a multiverse but no one is aware of that (except for sephiroth) of course the more ya know the more miserable ya are inside, guess that makes that silver fox the most dangerous being in the series, especially since he never stays dead

[@Theigzorn]

a reunion of worlds.... hm a rejoining so to say.

[@jesussamboy2373]

All Ima saying is that yozora better be a secret boss in the next game

[@blackheartzerotheundergrou3225]

Nomura, I swear to God, if you make an ending implying that the entirety of FF7 was dreamed up by a Sprouse Twin...!!

[@whiterosebloodmoon4522]

Shit I was half expecting sora to pop out of nowhere with white haired noctis and a kingdom hearts op theme

[@ghmatt14]

I was afraid the remake would have the Nomura treatment...this feels more like KH lore shenanigans.

[@joshuaolsoncook]

Sephiroth took that one drug that made that one bodybuilder KZbinr (forgot his name) go crazy and things just got worse from there.

[@FunKaYxxD1sCO]

I don’t know if him trying to block the attack created a new “timeline” with both Alive. And aerith saying back awhile”You will see my future self”

[@jamesroth5022]

Who were those other people in the rocks or whatever while sephiroth was explaining things to cloud

[@dspace4514]

Great... timelines. Well, I'm going to have a headache when I play this...

[@andresgarza8511]

It's not that difficult

[@sanzianagoglinache8696]

Yes it is

[@andresgarza8511]

@sanzianagoglinache8696 then you have basic comprehension problems really. Because if you pay attention it's not that difficult

[@sanzianagoglinache8696]

I was talking the gameplay . Not the story.

[@Tummamu]

While I love the remake and also Rebirth, because its exciting to know what will happen. I have to say, this multiverse thing would 1000000% be better if it was in FF8 remake, not FF7 remake. It would be amazing and very fitting with that game's lore. Here it just feels like they just want to give Zack, a fan favourite more screen time.

[@thegoodwin]

What FF8 Remake? There's a FF8 remaster.

[@billieeyelash7015]

OK, but have you considered that I would lick the sweat off of Zach's balls in every alternate universe? Have you considered that I am the main character of this reality and Square Enix made this franchise specifically for me? Didn't think so, kid. Begone.

[@darkscoutergamer6168]

@@thegoodwin rumor apparently

[@thegoodwin]

​@@darkscoutergamer6168, okay, understandable. But, in a hypothetical situation that if there's a FF8 Remake in the future, as the OP said, the multiverse concept makes sense in FF8 plot instead of FF7R.

[@user-pz6qz9xr1l]

​@thegoodwin the remake timeline was an alt timeline before this came out This fits in perfectly and solves the whole "I will never be a memory" moment and provides evidence of Sephiroth perceiving realities beyond his original one like FFVII And being the architect of Remake and rebirth

[@maluekfassi9060]

When Sephiroth become Thanos.