September Salmon - Part 1 - Salmon River, NY - DSR

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

This is the first part of a 2 part series.. too much good stuff to fit in one video! Subscribe and click the notifications bell to be notified of the next video. Take a look in the description for links to our other Salmon River videos and gear I use.

[@martinkirsch4000]

I've fished the Salmon river for yrs..When you hook a fish and give them slack they will go up stream. When you put pressure on them they go down stream. The best way to bring the fish to you is drop the tip of the rod into the water so the fish feels he is not being lifted out of the water..Fishon!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Yes... I have definitely noticed the same. When they got toward the back of the pool I would ease pressure to try to keep them from darting downstream. You can see just before I dropped the rod I was pulling line out to try to give slack to stop them from going down. It seemed they eventually went downstream for the most part on me anyway but it did stop them for a bit. I do it in the next video too. These fish were pretty hot though. I appreciate the advice and will definitely give it more of a try!

[@Ricky-zj6sy]

Great video man, I live here in Ireland and have fished the NY salmon river for around 12 years now. The best day I ever had there was on that same stretch of Douglaston meadows when I hooked around 70 fish. Mostly kings, but plenty of Coho, big browns and rainbows and a superb Steel-head of around 17lbs. We are going back there this October for another crack at it, here's hoping it fishes well in 2020 tight lines everyone!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Sounds pretty epic! I have had those days minus the big brown and monster steelhead.

[@alexfletcher8375]

Man I’ve spent quite a few hours on that river after the salmon and just couldn’t get the hang of it! Very impressive to watch someone that knows what they’re doing. Nice work and I’ll be tuning in for more videos for sure!!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Thanks. I think a lot depends on where you go in the river. The fresher the fish the better! Once they've been in the river a while or have been pressured they shut down.

[@art08474]

Nice content! Cannot wait to head back up there in Sept. Been on the DSR twice. Once a little too earlier, next a little too late. Going on the 25th. Hoping for some better action this time. If your up there again in Sept, be sure to make some more content

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Sweet. Good luck! Late September has been good for me up there. It is all about timing and have fresh aggressive fish pushing through. It can be an absolute blast!!!

[@JohnPascavageFishing]

Nice video. We were up Thursday-Saturday and hooked a ton, but only got a few in. Olive woolly bugger was the hot pattern.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

LOL.. yeah.. they aren't easy to land when they're fresh!

[@FishFray]

Are you allowed to use bait in this stretch of this river? And does anyone? just curious

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

This section does have more regulations on top of the NYS DEC regulations. But I believe you can use skein\egg sacs. You cannot use minnows. It is rare but I believe in the bigger pools I have seen people float fishing with skein.

[@ryanarmstrong6056]

I used to fish Skein in the DSR. The DSR is private land that restricts access so you can get some elbow room. For the most part, it's floss jobs there though.

[@fishermansam5983]

You can use bait at the DSR, not sure about minnows but skein, eggs sacs, beads, single eggs are all good to go.

[@FishingwithFastGM3]

Great video, that's some really nice looking water. Good explanations of your technique and what's going on. Awesome catching, beautiful fish.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Thanks. I always enjoy my time up there and I hope I can help a few other people with the videos!

[@surveyor1995]

Great video. Gonna have to get out there and see how I do.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

You definitely should. Every trip there is an adventure! There is a lot to learn on the river though so don't expect greatness the first time... But spend time on the river and you can be rewarded. I personally love being around those huge fish in the small river...

[@surveyor1995]

I have family in Rochester. Any reason to visit is a good reason never mind huge salmon. I have been enjoying fly fishing for some years now. The old saying is "its not the fish but more where they live"...spring is here. Have a great season

[@brianmcdonald3831]

What area about is this video I usually go to the museum there this almost looks to be closer to the lake

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I fish close to the lake. Never fished around the museum.

[@tomparker8932]

Got the rod that makes that stretch famous. Good job, nice fish.

[@paulparis4121]

Great video!!! I’ll be in Altmar in 4 weeks...can’t wait.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Altmar in 4 weeks... That sounds like the beginning of steelies! My first ever trip was to the upper fly at the end of October. We tangled with some salmon and steelies. Good luck!

[@paulparis4121]

15lb steelhead...my new personal record last November. Next to the salmon outfitters

[@matthewleiby5336]

I’m going the weekend of September 17th next month in the DSR and tied up multiple black and purple buggers… first time going to DSR… any suggestions or tips for these salmon? Usually go to public parts every year

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Sweet! Good luck! Have you seen my Salmon River Setup video? Recommend starting there if you haven't. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3m3iJ6oZbFkhNk I am basically euro nymphing for salmon but with heavier gear.

[@Snitchols]

That first one you brought to shore, during the first part you can see there's plenty in that pod in the water. The second one," I'm just going to sneak up on this guy" (meanwhile, Bryan is trouncing through the water like Big Foot running away from the Big foot Researcher organization)

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

HAHAHA... I know... it seemed a little weird right? That fish was holding in an eddy behind a rock in fast water.. what I meant was I'm not putting too much pressure on the fish so it knows it is still hooked. That let me get caught up to the fish and land it. With all of that fast water it would never hear me that far away.. I did have the same thought as you though when I watched the video... sneaking up doesn't typically include sloshing through water loudly :)

[@Triberius]

I've been up a few times the past week, and have done pretty well. I mainly throw Glo-bugs though instead of wooly buggers, and have had a few cases where a fish would swipe at it, then turn and chase my Glo-bug down stream to hit it again.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

That is soooooo awesome! I use glo-bugs a lot too but mostly for steelies. I really need to break them out for salmon again. I've been on the wooly bugger kick for several years now because of the success I've had.

[@Triberius]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany I like them since I can tie a lot of them in different colors really quickly. On a side note: I saw what you were saying about aggression in this video Sunday. Out where I was fishing Sunday in a small stretch between two sets of riffles there is a small patch of slack water behind a rock that I kept seeing 3-4 fish stack up in. Every time I'd drift my Glo-bug into it, one of the fish would absolutely hammer it.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

@@Triberius Yeah... you put multiple fish that are apex predators in a confined area together and things start to get interesting... especially when they are fresh fish!

[@chasinbowsnbrowns3652]

Wow! This is one incredible video , great job in actually landing a couple of these beasts! Nice work talking us through the takes and being very informative along the way ! Never did a Salmon trip , but I’m working with a guy who does one every year, stay safe out there ! Tight lines !

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Thanks... You should come up one time. It can be very good. I've done well just about every trip I've ever made up there.

[@chasinbowsnbrowns3652]

White Dog Outdoors Sounds tempting! But let me ask you , are there rules in how and what method one uses in catching these fish?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

@@chasinbowsnbrowns3652 There are some rules but not really many. Single hook is the main rule. Weight on the line can be between 4 feet and 1 foot from the fly/bait. In the DSR you have to have a line break like a knot or swivel to keep the weight on the line from sliding too close to the hook. No live bait either. But you can fly, spin or pin, bottom bounce or float. You can even throw spinners, spoons and plugs (single hook). Lots of ways to chase them.

[@yergsadventures5198]

Always enjoy watching ur Salmon Videos🙋🏻‍♂️

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Thanks! I enjoy making them!

[@MrSurfangler]

Saw the video again you can actually see the fish move and take the fly . Don't know if you are already using one but a polarizer filter lens for go pro might help you a lot specially since you make fishing videos.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Yes... I didn't have a GoPro that would take a lens when I did this video. I have the GoPro 9 now but the thing actually sucks!... It randomly corrupts one out of every 5-10 videos clips so I lose a lot of content. Gotta figure out what to do with it.

[@MrSurfangler]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Sorry to hear that read about go pro 9 issues, I myself am looking for a new action cam would go for a go pro 8. Polarized ND filters are available all the way back to Hero5. I had my first chinook hook of the season up at the harbour on a blade bait steel shad xl , sadly came off.I was fishing with a broken rod , broke the tip earlier in the night due to a windknot ,the rod was stiff and had no give . Will be float fishing with centre pin and wollybuggers soon and would let you know how it goes.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

@@MrSurfangler OW Wow... My old GoPro is the 5. I didn't think I could get a polarized ND for that. Not sure what to do about my 9. Really frustrated with it. It has ruined some videos for me with lost footage of key moments. Congrats on the first hookup but sorry to hear about the rod!

[@pavlorodchenko2064]

Hi. Can you say eproximately what part or dsr map number you fished please. Trying to catch this fish, couple times failed already

[@funnynader9149]

Hey man I went salmon fishing in Michigan for the first time. I’ve been going in the summer since I was months old. So I was going to try your method with the wooly buggers. So when you are fishing do you try to keep a tight line and keep the fly off the bottom? How do you know if you get a bite do you watch your line or do you a sighter for euro nymphing? And what pound and length is your sighter?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I am basically euro nymphing for salmon and steelhead. I will sometime see the take with my sighter or I will often feel the take by trying to keep a tight line. It's a little harder to do with salmon given the heavier rod and line and only being able to use a single fly. I do end up having to use split shot most of the time but I keep it as small as possible. I have a whole video on my Salmon Setup that would be good for you. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3m3iJ6oZbFkhNk

[@funnynader9149]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ok thanks I will check it out

[@floatdrop5243]

Badass man. Keep on doing what your doing!!!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Thanks!

[@Shaydeus]

going up next friday Year 3 Can't Wait.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Sweet! Good Luck!

[@bigron8346]

Another great video!!

[@stevemillington628]

What size rod and weight are you using, with what pound leader ? Thank you I enjoy your videos.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I was using an 8wt Switch Rod. I have the link in the description so you can see the exact model\details. It is a very affordable model and definitely gets the job done! It gives you good power to fight the fish but the longer, softer tip helps protect the tippet. Oh and the leader weight depends on the type of water. In fast water I'll go as heavy as 20# if I don't think they'll be able to see the line. If I don't get bites I'll downsize to 16#. If they're really spooky or I'm in slow water I'll drop to 14 or maybe 13#. I have the leader material in my description as well.

[@stevemillington628]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Sweet man I appreciate the help !

[@stevemillington628]

We need part 2!!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

@@stevemillington628 LOL Hang in there... Coming out tonight! Just finished editing...

[@Obadiah50]

Great video, even the intro - nice!!!

[@XxLaOBoyxX89]

Love the vid. Ill be up there this Friday.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Sweet! Good luck!

[@sergechistyakov7201]

We are going on this Friday) Great video

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

It sounds like the weather is setting up for a good run (Cooler temps and strong winds). Good luck!

[@sergechistyakov7201]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany Thank you)!

[@fuzzyheadsjournal]

Excellent video! Will be there in a couple weeks! What size flies are you throwing? Also, any recommendations for someone who wants to target browns? Thanks!

[@alexkelley8723]

Hey maybe someday we can go up there together. I always go to Orwell and always do great

[@scrumdiddy6888]

How do you know when a fish takes? Can you feel them hit?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I will usually feel them because I am using heavy flies and keeping a tight line... but sometimes I don't feel them and I'll watch the line very closely. When it pauses or jumps that is a tell tale sign that something happened (either bottom, or a bite or sometimes line getting caught on a fish). If I feel the bump of the bite I'll set the hook. If the line stops I'll lift up and see what happens. If a fish starts head shaking then you probably have them right... if they don't head shake they are probably not hooked right (fouled). But you play them until you can tell how they're hooked.

[@johntmcclinton7529]

How long do you keep your leader and tippet, also do you use the same leader material for your tippet

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Pretty much the same material. I use 20# Rio Fluoro for the mainline, 20# red amnesia for the sighter material, then a length of Rio Fluorocarbon again but depending on the conditions I may leave this heavy or go lighter. I then tie a tippet ring and tie a fairly short piece(18-24") of Rio Fluorocarbon to my fly. The length of the entire leader is fairly long and depends on the rod length. I don't measure it... they key is if it feels right. Too long or too short and it doesn't feel right.

[@johntmcclinton7529]

White Dog Outdoors Awesome thanks so much for the advice, kept breaking off this weekend, gonna hit again next weekend trying this. Keep killing it out there awesome vid.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

@@johntmcclinton7529 I start heavy and if it affects me getting bites I drop down. The lowest I'll go for salmon is maybe 13#. Downsizing does help when in slow water or when around pressured fish. Otherwise go heavy. I am usually using 16-20# depending on the type of water. It makes a huge difference. Good luck!

[@moderncombat5andclashofcla246]

Is this the meadows?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I don't think this is considered the Meadows?

[@moderncombat5andclashofcla246]

What section would be considered then?

[@moderncombat5andclashofcla246]

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[@bobbyjr7835]

Is it all fly fishing through the river or just certain areas? I was just at the hatchery and went to the river and seen a lot of people fly fishing.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

The entire river up to the bridge in Altmar is open to fly fishing, spin fishing and centerpin. Only the very upper stretches (Lower Fly Zone and Upper Fly Zone) are fly fishing only. There are a lot of fly fishermen throughout the river though.

[@stonefly2066]

What type of sunglasses do you use ?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I've used Smith Optics sunglasses the last several years (on my second pair). The key for me for a long time is going with amber or copper lenses. Really helps you see way more in the water over the gray lenses. The current pair is the "Guide's Choice". Edit... now you got me looking at their line up and I want a new pair :)

[@stonefly2066]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ...thank you

[@stonefly2066]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ...when is the next salmon trip ?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

@@stonefly2066 I'm heading up next week but because of current situations I am only doing a day trip. It kinda sucks to be so limited in time up there. Just gotta get it done in one day I guess...

[@stonefly2066]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany ...in about 2 weeks is gonna be better...some rain....temperature is gonna drop

[@fishy4281]

nice video and catches. Tried fishing yesterday but the water has been so low and clear recently that the fish got spooked by a black wooly bugger

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Yeah... day 2 for me was more difficult with that. I often find I have to go looking for different fish when that is happening. Or downsize everything and go really small. It is often the mood they are in though and you probably won't change that... better to go looking for more active fish (like I do in the next video).

[@716army]

What fly line and rod are you using? Awesome video man. Can wait to make my way yo there 2020!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I have them linked in the description below... but I'm using a Redington Dually 8wt Switch Rod and a 8wt Rio Switch Line. I love finding those fresh salmon... even though the fresh one toast you more often than not.

[@familyfishkiller1062]

Good job bro

[@dmdale3598]

Someone said smaller hooks lodge in the tissue better of the upper part of the mouth.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I have definitely tended to like smaller hooks better mostly because they are less likely to bend out (less leverage can be put on them). Not really sure about how well they stick in the mouth versus other hooks... I guess I haven't noticed a difference? It's usually so chaotic when you hook up and there are so many things that can go wrong LOL.

[@milanpainting]

May I ask what rod you using?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

Of course... I have a link in the description to it. Redington Dually (it is a switch rod). I wanted the Chromer but they were out of stock when I was buying.

[@pensnut08]

Love your Salmon River videos!! And another drop of the rod!! If you don't mind, what is your set up? Leader weight manly and brand of line. I'm coming up to the People's Republic of New Yorkastan next September (God willing) and if we happen to meet I'll give you some real split shots :) Again, great video!!

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I know... another rod drop... LOL. I have some of the details of my setup in the description. But basically I'm using an 8wt switch rod, Rio Switch line, 20# mainline to 20# red Amnesia for my sighter material down to either 20# or 16# line to my tippet section which I vary depending on conditions. I use the smallest split shot I can get away with and put as much weight in the fly itself. I try to keep a straight line like euro nymphing to minimize fouls and flossing. Oh.. and I have a source from PA for shot :)

[@pensnut08]

@@WhiteDogTrailCompany haha!! Good source!!!

[@davidmcnamara7006]

I know that spot we fish it every year.

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I try to explore each year and fish new water. I found this spot a few years ago. Lots of good water in the DSR!

[@gillateengilly5139]

omg he swam and took it. that might have actually been a take.. but be real and floss away

[@CJ-ld1kj]

😂 right

[@outfaded34]

What weight rod are you using?

[@WhiteDogTrailCompany]

I really prefer a switch rod which is longer. I use an 11'6" 8wt fly rod (Redington Dually). I used to use a shorter rod (9' 9wt) but a shorter rod just doesn't have the advantages of the longer rod. I go through my entire setup in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3m3iJ6oZbFkhNk