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Sequential Prophet~5 Sound Design by James Terris

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Sequential Prophet~5 Rev 4 Patches by James Terris
Download Patches: drive.google.com/file/d/16Ms7...
Check out all my patches on SoundCloud:
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@BearKeys
@BearKeys 3 жыл бұрын
These sounds take me back 40 years. Prophet is its own vibe. Instantly recognizable. And for us old cats, it brings an instant smile.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, what you have described is exactly what I've tried to explain to some of the people who have commented. Some will never get it because they didn't have that original experience. I decided to plug in a Sequential Circuits Six-Trak last night. It was my very first programmable synth. At the time (age 14) I was disappointed it didn't sound like an 80's record. I bought a Boss CE-2 pedal, which helped a bit. Now revisiting it 35 years later I'm playing it completely dry and it's beautiful. The crazy part is that I still, after all this time, remember every parameter number and many of the patch locations. That proves something. Us "old cats" have a connection to these machines. I hope some younger guys decide to give it a chance and stop talking about what it doesn't do and just enjoy it's purity.
@cwinkels
@cwinkels 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for recording these dry.
@analogsystem8015
@analogsystem8015 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent ! I love the sound of this P5 Rev4, Thank you Dave !
@chandeleerjet5637
@chandeleerjet5637 3 жыл бұрын
I've been browsing patches for a few weeks now and I gotta say this is my favorite sound set for the Prophet 5 I've heard yet. Very useful patches for songs. You actually got it to sound like actual organ speakers and one patch sounded like an actual Mellotron.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. It's always a balancing act when doing sound design for synths. I try to mix it up and not just make sounds I like. That said, I like less mainstream electronic sounds, in the flavor a say AIR or Beck, or Radiohead. I like sounds that aren't obviously "synth". It's funny you caught the Mellotron vibe. I love them and own a very unique Streetly M4000 cycling tape version as well as the digital Mellotron M4000D and Manikin Memotron. Cheers!
@chandeleerjet5637
@chandeleerjet5637 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris that’s exactly why I loved the sound set because it didn’t have all those synthy patches you’d expect. Someone could have told me the Italian Combo patch was a real organ and I would have believed them. I had no idea the synth was so versatile but it shows how skilled you are at programming. That mellotron collection sounds insane. Saving up for one myself. I’m buying a P5 this weekend for an album and I’m going to have a lot of fun with these patches. Looking forward to hearing more in the future and supporting the channel! 🍻
@tomloncaric6189
@tomloncaric6189 3 жыл бұрын
Great tones! They sound very useful for making music, and not only sound effects.
@urh8523
@urh8523 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds very similar to my own old lovely Prophet 5 rev 3. Prophet 5 forever!!!!
@MattJohnsonJamiroquai
@MattJohnsonJamiroquai 3 жыл бұрын
Some lovely sounds here James!
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@NothingWasEasyTilNow
@NothingWasEasyTilNow 3 жыл бұрын
In case you didn't know, @MattJohnsonJamiroquai just released a fantastic record, Venus Rising is my personal fav track.
@coyotesynth
@coyotesynth 3 жыл бұрын
Great sounds. thank you James
@benjaminbrodie9801
@benjaminbrodie9801 3 жыл бұрын
AMAZING SOUNDS DUDE!! Mr. Terris, you have created some most excellent patches. Vangelis would be proud. Looking forward to buying this synth after I sell my kidneys.
@peterkadarmusic9728
@peterkadarmusic9728 3 жыл бұрын
I say keep one kidney just in case you need it later.
@stevepeglar2783
@stevepeglar2783 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing! Well done, James!
@jettsom
@jettsom Жыл бұрын
Vintage is the new modern! The Prophet 5 sounds so good even without any effects. Not many synth can do the same!
@EnervatedSociety
@EnervatedSociety 3 жыл бұрын
Sweet, if I start saving now I'll have one by 2024.
@OscarPerez-zc3iq
@OscarPerez-zc3iq 3 жыл бұрын
By that time, they should be cheaper , and maybe a module might be appearing . So you’ll have it before that no doubt 🤟🔥
@timothydahlin5321
@timothydahlin5321 3 жыл бұрын
Or just wait for Behringer. ;-)
@jamesmeeker6933
@jamesmeeker6933 3 жыл бұрын
@@timothydahlin5321 I dunno, the Behringer stuff is ugly. They are like the Microsoft of synth.
@HiLoMusic
@HiLoMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Timothy Dahlin an enthusiast synth like this relies heavily upon the components and I can promise you the beringer version will have an ugly cheap filter and signaling
@ZenMountain
@ZenMountain 2 жыл бұрын
Use your credit card!!!! Jeezus.
@christopherhammell9904
@christopherhammell9904 10 ай бұрын
Hands down, these are the best patches available. Even better on my Prophet 10 than in these videos. Though, this video is pretty slick.
@urh8523
@urh8523 3 жыл бұрын
It sounds very similar to my own lovely prophet 5 rev 3. Prophet 5 for ever!!!
@modernmedicine8555
@modernmedicine8555 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing job Steve. Cannot Wait.
@Sir-Bor
@Sir-Bor 3 жыл бұрын
Nice demo, beautiful synth
@CreativeSpiral
@CreativeSpiral 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds great! Nice sound designs!
@jamesmeeker6933
@jamesmeeker6933 3 жыл бұрын
No doubt--this is 100% the Prophet 5 experience without compromise.
@micahjohnson5746
@micahjohnson5746 3 жыл бұрын
I agree %100! However I'm just not sure that experience is something I need to pay $3500 for....but damn I want one
@PaulGBass
@PaulGBass 3 жыл бұрын
@@micahjohnson5746 When you consider the one voice Moog D re issue was the same price its a fur king bargain...
@davidsteffens3952
@davidsteffens3952 3 жыл бұрын
Missed seeing your reaction in your GS thread!
@jamesmeeker6933
@jamesmeeker6933 3 жыл бұрын
@@davidsteffens3952 I no longer post at GS due to their moderation policy. Thanks for remembering me, however! :)
@davidsteffens3952
@davidsteffens3952 3 жыл бұрын
James Meeker oddly enough, I believe you used to help me out with hiphop beats and stuff on aim when I was a kid. From one of the boards, that’s how I remembered on GS
@ZenMountain
@ZenMountain 2 жыл бұрын
What a great synth, thanks!
@oeljay4081
@oeljay4081 2 жыл бұрын
Such dope patches man, and for free !! TY
@hausverkehrs3676
@hausverkehrs3676 3 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to have my tracks dripping with retro goodness
@jaderene
@jaderene 3 жыл бұрын
This is a synth after my heart❤
@christopherhammell9904
@christopherhammell9904 11 ай бұрын
These are fantastic.
@benjaminframe5530
@benjaminframe5530 2 ай бұрын
Subbed. Great sounds!
@Landscape01
@Landscape01 2 жыл бұрын
Nice Sound! I've downloaded. Thanks!
@peterkadarmusic9728
@peterkadarmusic9728 3 жыл бұрын
I gotta say... that sounds damned good.
@Nathanaelsun22
@Nathanaelsun22 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent
@busch028
@busch028 3 жыл бұрын
I think those not “wow’d” by the sound have to remember it is a mono output. Most polyphonic synths nowadays utilize stereo. The patches you hear (before going into a DAW and through effects) are mono. The raw sound is really gorgeous. Throw this through some delay and reverb and you could be blown away. Great demo BTW! Thanks for putting it together!
@digitaldiezel5870
@digitaldiezel5870 3 жыл бұрын
Nemesis or Night Sky - would be cool to hear.
@benanderson89
@benanderson89 3 жыл бұрын
Polyphonic synthesizers are stereo _only when you apply internal effects_. Other than effects, they are all Monophonic. Everything, from the Prophet 6 to the DM12 to the Summit, can run on a single mono output if you don't use internal stereo effects. It's only the UDO Audio Super 6 that is a true binaural signal path.
@100haymaker
@100haymaker 3 жыл бұрын
The PolyEvolver has a true stereo path. People often wondered could it be converted to a mono path to give 8 instead of 4 voices.
@benanderson89
@benanderson89 3 жыл бұрын
@@100haymaker Forgot about the PolyEvolver, but poly synths being in stereo is still the exception to the rule.
@100haymaker
@100haymaker 3 жыл бұрын
benanderson89 Yep. The majority are mono. Too expensive to duplicate the filters etc .Love to know how PolyEvolver does it and why you couldn’t get 8 mono voices out of it. That’s why I bought a keyboard and two racks! Overkill really.
@llora462
@llora462 3 жыл бұрын
Sick demo! Got a 5 on pre-order and can’t hardly wait. Any notes on how the “unhealthy synth” patch was made? Really love that one
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
I posted a link at the top where you can download these patches. At some point there should be a software SysEx librarian available for it. If it’s like the other SoundTower editors, you’ll be able to see what I did. Sorry, but it’s been a couple months and I honestly can’t remember🙂
@arcticsmoke302
@arcticsmoke302 3 жыл бұрын
I wanna get this and use it along side my prophet 6 and Juno 60...10 voices aren’t necessary for my rig 😉
@ethanlamb7324
@ethanlamb7324 2 жыл бұрын
Hey James , awesome sounds ! I just bought a slightly used prophet 5 yesterday and got it in and love the sounds . I am new to synths and come from the guitar player world . I am trying to set up the sound from the motels song “ only the lonely “ could you possibly give me some tips to get this patch dialed in? From what I understand it was based around factory preset 118 percussive organ . Thank you for any and all help and sorry to bother you ! Best Ethan
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, is sounds like a synth organ preset played in 5ths, pretty straight forward. It's tough to explain, but generally those presets are a blend of a harmonic from resonance in combination with a short VCF envelope decay for the organ "click". Zero release on either envelope. You have to massage the cutoff frequency and VCF env. amount until it begins to sound like an organ. Even the most minute move can have a pretty drastic effect. As far as the VCO waveform, I've made organs out of all the them, depending on the type of organ I'm going for. Tri wave is more flutey and pulse can sound flutey to more harsh depending on Pulse Width. So, Hammond style to Farfisa. It's tough explain in text. Best to work off a preset that's close and l learn by trial and error. That's how I started 36 years ago! Good luck, thanks for checking out the video.
@wolfpackpresets
@wolfpackpresets 3 жыл бұрын
Great patches! 1:57 lead is fun ;)
@gunjabeans
@gunjabeans 3 жыл бұрын
You won a new subscriber from me today. My only question is 5 or 10? ...If they included voice limiting like you mentioned, or split/layer, it would be easier to decide. Part of me is thinking the OG 5 is all you need really but, this will be my centerpiece of the studio so, I'm leaning towards the bad mama jamma Prophet 10.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
I've already mentioned the voice limiting feature to them. I was told that I'm not the first to request it. I think there's a strong possibility they may implement it. The split/layer would be cool, but I think that's pushing it. I know Dave likes to key the secondary functions to a minimum to keep things clean and simple to use.
@zachleetch8138
@zachleetch8138 2 күн бұрын
Can you walk me through the big PMW patch? This is a classic sound i hear a lot but I don’t know how to get this lush metallic like tone out of my prophet
@5dgisd528
@5dgisd528 3 жыл бұрын
Really surprising release from Dave Smith, as he always stated that he is not interested in recreating stuff that has already been done. And now a real Prophet-5! It´s funny (or smart) how he doesn´t make a synth that has it all...maybe as a next synthesizer? Prophet-5 enginge/sound with modern Prophet-6 things like Arpeggiator/Sequencer etc, and 5 octaves.
@heyccksucka552
@heyccksucka552 3 жыл бұрын
I have a feeling he wanted to beat Behringer to it
@dalelaushman8749
@dalelaushman8749 3 жыл бұрын
I have to admit, I'm a disappointed with the lack of simple modern features in the reissue. He said he didn't want to clutter the controls...
@stickybeats
@stickybeats 3 жыл бұрын
@@dalelaushman8749 Which features, specifically?
@SPAZZOID100
@SPAZZOID100 3 жыл бұрын
Dale Laushman it has everything it needs.
@spurv
@spurv 3 жыл бұрын
@@stickybeats I really wanted an arpeggiator. Would have pushed this synth over the edge.
@MIDERA
@MIDERA 3 жыл бұрын
Nice sound design - was reading up on your responses to everyone here - it's nice to see some engagement (some folks on YT just give a thumbs up or 'love' a comment but then don't say anything). You mentioned the voice calibration for each voice as part of the charm of vintage synths - but then sold you vintage P5 for the rev4 (I believe). I too think voice chips just being slightly off can really add to the sound (in my Polaris and Polysix this often occurs but sounds great). So this didn't bother you going from the Rev 3 to the Rev 4? I didn't realize the envelopes were software based either - maybe it's not a big deal, but I definitely notice the difference in a lot of synth, though it could be a lot more going on than just the envelopes that contribute to the overall sound of them. I'm a little bummed there wasn't even a basic arp on it - but I get that they were keeping to the original (but then, why add all the different filters, use software envelopes instead of hardware, etc?). I usually just seem to connect better with gear that has an arp on it, even if I could use external gear for that. It's never quite as fun when another device is needed in the process. Just my two cents. Great stuff, thanks!
@auxorion
@auxorion 3 жыл бұрын
The Envelopes should be coming from the CEM/SSM Filter chips (my understanding is that the chips are analog ICs). There is a lot of digital going on in the Prophet 5, but ultimately they're analog ICs creating what you hear, and the digital aspects are simply controlling parameter values for memory storage. If you're a purist (I understand, I'm the same way), maybe you'd prefer the Prophet 6. Dave constructed new VCO/VCF circuits from scratch using discrete components rather than chips (I think other than the T8, the Prophet 6 is the only product he has made with discrete analog circuitry). I have a P6 and it really sounds lovely. I think a lot of people get confused because we assume vintage = discrete analog circuits, and modern = IC (analog integrated circuits, on a chip).. .that's almost always the case except for Sequential Circuits brand synths. It goes the other way around...! The originals are ICs and the newer (Prophet 6) is discrete. With Dave's stuff, I'd say that each product he's putting out is good in its own way. When Dave does Digital, it's because he thinks it's better that way. Just listen to the lovely Prophet 12 (100% digital, and sounds gorgeous).
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
An arP would have been nice, but Dave really wanted to keep it as close to the original as possible. As for the envelops, the “Vintage” knob replicates the different versions. It’s a little like the “slop” feature but way cooler and customized to the way each vintage/Rev # performed. Rev 4 is super tight, a Rev 1 all over the place in a good way. That’s why they went with digital envelopes. They spent a lot of time developing that.
@YounusMogul
@YounusMogul 3 жыл бұрын
There's some great sounds here! Is there any way to know the settings of each sound so that I recreate them on a software version...
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately no, the only way I would think you might be able to do that would be to get an editor, like SoundTower and look at the parameter values.
@YounusMogul
@YounusMogul 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris Ok cool thanks
@sinikoncar7838
@sinikoncar7838 3 жыл бұрын
...somehow reminds me of the Prophet 5. What about you guys & gals?
@DuaLeaD
@DuaLeaD 3 жыл бұрын
Does anyone know which synthesizer was used for the main intro riff of RUSH "Subdivisions" (1982) ? I thought it was a Prophet-5 but could be mistaken....
@peterldelong
@peterldelong 3 жыл бұрын
I’m pretty sure it was an Oberheim OB-Xa
@DuaLeaD
@DuaLeaD 3 жыл бұрын
@@peterldelong Damn, now I got two reasons to holdout for it....Hell, I just wanted to play Van Halen's iconic "1984" intro with "Jump"
@sventorner5996
@sventorner5996 3 жыл бұрын
Dear James, is it possible to get your patches? They are so beautyfull. A gift or donation is self evident. Thanx for answering. Sven from Hamburg
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Sure, I need an email address to send them to
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
@@sventorner5996 Please let me know that you got these ok. No need to send me any money, seriously, my pleasure
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
drive.google.com/file/d/1ziaFR4fXwFfbIdFql27FtWmd1oYaXEx8/view?usp=sharing
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
@@sventorner5996 for some reason your email failed to send. I posted a download link up top as well as a direct reply to your message. Enjoy.
@sventorner5996
@sventorner5996 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris Thank you so much, maybe the mailbox was full. Can I send you a donation with PayPal? You can send me your email adress to sven@ instead of torner@... Best regards from Hamburg!
@Tron01000
@Tron01000 3 жыл бұрын
Are the knobs like on the original Prophet 5 Rev2/3? Or are they the same like on the Prophet 6 but only bigger?
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Everything on the front panel is like the original except pitch and mod wheels.
@Tron01000
@Tron01000 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris Thanks!
@michellemateos7975
@michellemateos7975 2 жыл бұрын
This patches are for the Prophet 5 hardware? Or can I use on th Vst?
@Shred_The_Weapon
@Shred_The_Weapon 3 жыл бұрын
Are these from a model with the velocity and aftertouch advertised by Mr. Smith?
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Shred_The_Weapon
@Shred_The_Weapon 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you james.
@bitspacemusic
@bitspacemusic 3 жыл бұрын
Is filter selection and Vintage amount part of a patch?
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, every patch can be saved with a different filter and vintage setting, as in it's not just global. This is cool, because you can mix and match vintages to filters they didn't originally have.
@KucharczykKamil
@KucharczykKamil 2 жыл бұрын
Well... Why the P6 can not sound good as P5... really hard to decide... Maybe P5 desktop for home, and P6 for Stage... but this "double" a cost... :(
@mpmi7588
@mpmi7588 3 жыл бұрын
I can't afford a P5. Can I get these sounds on a P6? Or close to them?
@RayyMusik
@RayyMusik 3 жыл бұрын
Very close: yes, especially since the vintage knob has also been implemented on the P6. 100% the same: no. The P5 still has a bit more warmth and belly. There‘s an excellent comparison by J3PO on YT.
@mpmi7588
@mpmi7588 3 жыл бұрын
@@RayyMusikthank you man
@amonster8mymother
@amonster8mymother 3 жыл бұрын
What is this another prophet?
@Murray_Browne
@Murray_Browne 3 жыл бұрын
Hi James. Downloaded your patches and have been getting some weird behavior when trying to load them into my P5R4. At the end of each group there is a long pause before the P5 moves on to the next group. Once the upload is finished none of the patch sound anything like what you have up on Soundcloud.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
I built those back when it was a prototype. I’ll try to load them into my P10 when I get a chance to see if they work for me. They should be fine because Sequential loaded several of them into the final production models. I’ll post an update if I discover anything.
@Murray_Browne
@Murray_Browne 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers James. I'll try a couple of things here as well..
@Murray_Browne
@Murray_Browne 3 жыл бұрын
Tried to get things sorted today with no luck. When loaded. Many of the patches come up with all waveforms selected, all polymod options selected and patches sound very similar with just slight variations. Tried just loading a single patch at a time with same result. Anyway not complaining at all. Just thought they sounded great.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Just a thought, I didn’t save these into Group one. I can’t remember offhand, but it may have been group 2&3 or 3&4. When I get a prototype, it has presets from the previous designers, so I always save them in an empty group and bank. Try looking there.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
211 Soundtrack Keys 221 Broken Brass 231 Metallic Noise 241 Bright Mood 251 Bright Movements 212 Dirty Lead 222 Choral Voices 232 Iconic Brass 242 Tuned Percussion 252 Trembling Organ 213 Wounded Fey 223 Sore Throat 233 Simple Bass 243 Buzzy Metallic 253 Nice PW 214 Fat Bass Stack 224 Modern Sync 234 Pedaling Sweep 244 Phazy Synth 254 Rising Sign 215 Rock Poly 225 Soft Swell 235 Unhealthy Synth 245 Pitchy Overdrive 255 Dramatic Swell 216 House Chord 226 Modern Lead 236 Raspy Rez Bass 242 Tuned Percussion 256 Fat Poly Bass 217 House Mover 227 Gargle Lead 237 BeatBox Perc 247 Soft Moving Brass 257 Puffy Brass 218 Fuzzy Dance Lead 228 Fat Velocity 238 Ringtone Arcade 248 Ancient Keys 258 PW Poly Synth 311 Powerful Lead 321 LoFi Dreams 331 Harpsi-Synth 341 Fluttering Chords 351 Piano Bells 312 Alien Drone 322 Power 5th 332 1000 Quivers 342 Velo Chirp 352 Harmonic Hammers 313 Useful Poly 323 Hyper Poly 333 Metallic Poly 343 Fast Glider 353 Dreamy Bells 314 Wow Bass 324 Warbly Swell 334 Plucked Strings 344 Syncing Chip 354 Poly Trem 315 Velo Res Lead 1 325 Strong Lead 335 Detuned Stack 345 Organ Perc 355 Hot Mess 316 Velo Res Lead 2 326 Leading 4th 336 Big Bow Bass 346 Short Seq 356 Little Voice 317 Hard PM 327 Dramatic Chords 337 Silly Lead 347 Harpsi-Vibe 357 Bending Pole 318 Subtle Strings 328 Modulating Voice 338 Lush PW Pad 348 Flutey Voices 358 Short Bell 411 Soft EP 421 Bell Drum 412 Reed EP 422 Warped Tape 413 Far from Fisa 423 Big PWM 414 Italian Combo1 424 Gliding Cinema 415 Italian Combo2 425 Plucked PW 416 Italian Combo3 426 Swell Feeling 417 Italian Combo4 427 Distant Future 418 Italian Combo5 428 Filtered Accent
@shookstylez
@shookstylez 3 жыл бұрын
So now, the real question is Prophet 5 or Prophet 10!?
@aandarcom
@aandarcom 3 жыл бұрын
Divide the price by the number of voices and you will have an answer. :)
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
I’m opting for the 10 because I personally like slower movements and pads. I also just really want to hear and play a full ten voice polyphonic Prophet. It was still in development when I had my prototype 5 voice. I’ve played a couple vintage P10’s, including Dave’s, as well as his T8, but they’re different beasts. I am hoping that Sequential will include a voice limiting feature to allow for the original feel in polyphonic mode. I think that limitation really contributed to the overall vibe of the P5, similar to a Mellotron or Solina. You adapt to playing them differently to account for the idiosyncrasies of how they trigger.
@jamesmeeker6933
@jamesmeeker6933 3 жыл бұрын
10, obviously. :)
@EverettDudgeon138
@EverettDudgeon138 3 жыл бұрын
Ehh I think the lack of bi timbrality does a great disservice to the P10. When people think of the Prophet 10 they think of what Tony Banks played. The two keyboard, two engine version wth poly sequencer...not the single keyboard single engine version with no sequencer.
@MarkWRoberts
@MarkWRoberts 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris I too ordered my Prophet-10 a few days ago... I had a Rev. 1 in 1979... coming full circle!
@Synthshop
@Synthshop 3 жыл бұрын
There's quite a bit of 60hz hum, especially noticable at 2:37 hard sync. Hopefully it's not some HW flaw in the P5 exacerbating this? Please let us know if this due to an issue in you recording setup?
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Good catch. I didn’t listen to these for weeks, so unfortunately I didn’t notice until it was to late to fix. I have top notch power at my studio, but an old Neve preamp was introducing hum when powered off. I managed to trace it and fix the issue. So the short answer is yes, my system, not Prophet. Long answer, see above😬
@nickjones5641
@nickjones5641 3 жыл бұрын
How are the envelopes? I know they are software recreations, so not exactly an original. Does it do anything strange when played quickly? Digital envs sometimes reset funny and reset to the zero point of the wave and make a click. I don’t understand why someone doesn’t reissue the ic adsr chips so we can finally get the digital out of these synths. I say that as I wait for an UDO. Lol
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
I haven't received my actual unit yet. The prototype I had was still being tweaked here and there. I did record my vintage Rev 3.3 side by side with it and found my envelopes for Attack and Release to be slightly longer. I think they may have settled on somewhere around 30 seconds. Comparing other functions were as expected with any analog and vintage synth, different, but not in a bad way. Take 3 vintage ones and they'll all have their own charm. As for playing fast and re-triggering, the Prophet 5 is know to have great envelopes and I would imagine the new one will be even better, especially snappy in Vintage 4 mode. I really liked dialing it back to Rev 1 & 2 when gliding in unison and playing chords. The magic is in the imperfection and mis-matched voice calibrations of those older units. I sold my beloved mint vintage Rev 3 after completing the sound design, so that says a lot.
@nickjones5641
@nickjones5641 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris Well if it was enough to sell an original then I'm convinced. I was just concerned about envelopes being software and making the synth sound samey and stiff. I have a polysix that is all analog, is unruly, but I like that wonky sound.
@fawkkyutuu8851
@fawkkyutuu8851 3 жыл бұрын
I thought this was an absolute perfect recreation of the original down to the last detail? Do you hear a difference? I'm just curious what other people think when comparing.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
@@fawkkyutuu8851 I only had my vintage Rev 3, and I'd say it 98% nailed it and the other 2% were improvements. Also, like most analog synths each sound a bit different. I've owed up to 3 or more of each of my vintage synths and you can't even compare them as good or bad, often just different.
@auxorion
@auxorion 3 жыл бұрын
When Dave Smith makes something Digital, it's because he prefers it that way. He's no dummy (just listen to the Prophet 12). Besides, my understanding was that the envelopes are coming from the filter chips, they shouldn't be software, where are you getting this information from? Btw the popping sound isn't about Digital vs Analog, it's about how they decide to deal with zero crossing (the pop is when you have a waveform stopped in the middle of its cycle, forcing the waveform to go from its position back to zero suddenly - thereby causing your speaker to pop because it's trying to get from wherever it is back to zero). It's up to the designer of the synth how they deal with zero crossing - or if you're designing the Minilogue, you just don't deal with it at all. (Minilogue is 100% analog and it pops like nobody's business). The envelopes on the P5 Rev4 are either coming from the CEM/SSM or if they ARE software/digital, I'm certain he's done it correctly - even the manual states that when you switch the filter mode it also changes the behavior of the envelopes. It goes into great detail about this, and the manual seems very proud of this small detail being so accurate. I wouldn't worry.
@_EightySix
@_EightySix 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds beautiful, but i think i can get most of these sounds from my OB6.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
The OB6 and Prophet 6 are wonderful synths. I agree you can get very close with both of those. The P5 is a work of art and for many, sold on it’s nostalgic factor and historic charm. It’s a solid, chunky old style synth, with big knobs clean layout. It won’t be for everyone, but beautiful none the less.
@_EightySix
@_EightySix 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris i totally get the attraction from people who've long wanted a prophet 5, but I'm not one of them and that thing is PRICEY.
@_EightySix
@_EightySix 3 жыл бұрын
@D MD Clearly they are two totally different synths, do you even common sense? Regardless of that fact, the OB6 is almost like king of the mountain when it comes to that vintage sound, and that is purely my opinion, but in listening to demos of the new Pro 5, I hear a lot of similar sounds. They are both analog polys done by sequential, and they are both clones of vintage synths, so is it that far off that they may sound similar? My main reason for stating this was due to the insane price point for a less capable synth. I'd love to have a new Pro 5, but I can get damn close with my OB6 in the meantime.
@_EightySix
@_EightySix 3 жыл бұрын
@D MD Shit, can't argue with that. I just got wooshed.
@syntheseyez3577
@syntheseyez3577 3 жыл бұрын
@@_EightySix you sound boring
@nickjones5641
@nickjones5641 3 жыл бұрын
Definitely sounds good. So glad there are no fx and stupid extras. Definitely this and the UDO for 2020-21.
@b.h.gargantua301
@b.h.gargantua301 3 жыл бұрын
Super6 is a killer! Have it for 4 weeks now and found it's just a big sweet spot. I appreciate every minute with my super6, even more than with my ob6 as S6 is much more versatile and has soo much hidden features.
@chrisstrobel3439
@chrisstrobel3439 3 жыл бұрын
No one finger wonder patches on these babies, start working on your chops guys 😬 I can’t believe I’m actually pondering one of these .. I still haven’t played the Rev2 I bought 2 years ago 🙄
@MusicFed
@MusicFed 3 жыл бұрын
Wha?
@Shred_The_Weapon
@Shred_The_Weapon 3 жыл бұрын
If you’re thinking of getting this - but you’ve got a Rev2 sitting untouched in your home, I would sit in a dark place for 30 days. After you come out of it, give some careful consideration to swapping the original for the reissue.
@zachleetch8138
@zachleetch8138 3 жыл бұрын
Can I have your Rev2??????? I will play it everyday and be your friend forever.
@ncapone87
@ncapone87 3 жыл бұрын
@@Shred_The_Weapon I think he's talking about the Prophet 08 Rev2
@Heathcliff_hensel
@Heathcliff_hensel 3 жыл бұрын
I have only heard a few demos of this but I haven't heard anything that was really amazing. I will have to wait for more reviews but so far not really that impressed.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what age you are or if you've owned or play a vintage P5. I can understand not being impressed by a patch demo of a Prophet 5 because the technology is pioneer tech and synthesizers have evolved so much in the past 35 years. As for my demos, your justified in not being impressed. I honestly hate making audio demos because I have to pull 100 little jingles out of my ass that don't necessarily represent my personal style or tastes. What the Prophet 5 does, it does well. It cuts through a mix in a special way. With just one OSC being Polymoded it produces an incredibly complex sound without any FX. In modern production you'd certainly produce it and it would sound much different. Maybe it's just not for you or the Prophet 6 or OB 6 is more your thing because of the FX, SEQ and ARP options. The guys that will buy this are industry pros, collectors, and enthusiasts.
@Heathcliff_hensel
@Heathcliff_hensel 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris your demo was great it's just that I felt like I was hearing a Prophet 6 or Rev2. Like I don't know if this is different enough from those two synths. Just my two cents.
@jamesterris
@jamesterris 3 жыл бұрын
Heathcliff Honestly, between you and I if I were to go back on the road and use a Prophet, it would be a Prophet 6. I think it sounds so good, smaller, and much more polished for a live performance. For the price, if I didn’t already have a ton synths, I would just go get a 6. The beauty about the new one is that they’re selling nostalgia, and the clean simplicity of the original.
@lownrgy
@lownrgy 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris my choice too, I don't own any modern polys but vintage ones, If I had to pick one from those are available now it would be Prophet 6
@lownrgy
@lownrgy 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesterris but then again.. Im not playing in TOTO cover band
@edenhunter9904
@edenhunter9904 3 жыл бұрын
yeah, now make it sound like it has stereo outputs .... huge mistake Dave.
@ZenMountain
@ZenMountain 2 жыл бұрын
OMG, you again! Just don't buy it!!!
@Heatwave1988
@Heatwave1988 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing interesting...((( P6 is better
@SPAZZOID100
@SPAZZOID100 3 жыл бұрын
Incorrect
@spurv
@spurv 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, incorrect. I sold my P6. It just lacked that certain something, that I hear in all Prohet 5 demos.
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