Battle of Castle Black (S04E09) from Alliser Thorne's POV Ser Alliser Thorne rallies the Night's Watch in their defense of Castle Black against Mance Rayder's army.
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@jquixlo9 жыл бұрын
Thorne is a perfect example of the complexity of writing. He is an antagonist to the protagonist, but unlike normal, terrible shows he isn't evil or corrupt just mean spirited but wants the same goal as the protagonist, from different methods. Excellent writing, he's less fleshed out in the books, but the blacksmith fills half of the reliability.
@Shadowman47109 жыл бұрын
One of the down sides to the tv show is that they are necessarily forced to cut out a lot of character background. Thorne isn't a dick to Jon just to be a dick. He has personal grievances against Ned dating back to Robert's Rebellion and has grown bitter having to sit on the wall for 15 years just because he stayed loyal to the wrong King.
@mylifefortheoldfish9 жыл бұрын
Josh Smith Thorne isn't very complexly written at all, though, lol.
@jquixlo9 жыл бұрын
complex writing isn't saying he is complex lol.
@Shadowman47109 жыл бұрын
mylifefortheoldfish He wasn't in the books, no. I think a lot of the character's complexity in the show is down to Owen Teal's performance. I've been a fan of his for quite some time. Very solid actor.
@mylifefortheoldfish9 жыл бұрын
Josh Smith And saying he's complex doesn't mean he's complex because he isn't complex. Deal with it.
@Renagade233210 жыл бұрын
Loved this scene. It wasn't a "You're not half bad, Snow" or Alliser going. "I like you now and will totally support you" but it was a. "You were right. I was wrong. If we all do our jobs against the real threat we can hate each other tomorrow."
@jonathanlee53142 жыл бұрын
Yes, it was exactly in character for the utter hardass that Ser Alliser is known to be. He earned my respect in this episode though, I remember watching it with friends. He was no coward!
@jimmycakes71582 жыл бұрын
Then the writing for the show became generic
@TaitRo10182 жыл бұрын
This scene was prob so fun to shoot lol. The speeeeeeech was amazing
@johndoe-de1db2 жыл бұрын
If it were the last season Alliser would've proclaimed Jon as king and Jon would've said: "I DUN WUNT ET! SHEE IZ MUH QWWEENNNN!"
@washedupwarvet2027 Жыл бұрын
No shit, we watched the scene. You just typed out exactly what happened wtf….
@varunjadwani74029 жыл бұрын
"With me now, now with me!" Who would not follow someone into battle with a line like that?!
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
I would #respectandloveforallythorne
@chookalatemuffin9 жыл бұрын
varun jadwani the best line in the series was when the Hound said "Brienne of fucking Tarth"
@EricCartman-mx5wg9 жыл бұрын
chookalatemuffin "If Any Man Dies With A Clean Sword, I'll Rape His Fucking Corpse! "
@L.J.Kommer9 жыл бұрын
varun jadwani I wouldn't want to talk to Ser Allister at a dinner party, but I'd follow him to war.
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
***** Ser Alliser aint a dinner type of guy lol
@halleck39 жыл бұрын
Thorne is a colossal prick, but he's not a coward and he's not a fool. One more reason to like Game of Thrones... it doesn't have the black-and-white characters other shows love to trot out.
@davidking62425 жыл бұрын
that comment didnt age well...
@IAMSOUND995 жыл бұрын
well the show went a bit crazy Alliser wasnt meant to stab Jon but that kinda fit the character: to him letting wildlings in was treason, in his mind he was doing the moral thing
@STONECOLD19885 жыл бұрын
You guys know what I wonder.... how Ser Alliser would’ve reacted if he would’ve ever found out Jon was a Targeryan
@davidking62425 жыл бұрын
@@STONECOLD1988 probably still hate him I reckon but not as much or as overtly
@Eshkanama5 жыл бұрын
True. By which I found strange that him and Janos were such close mates, because he was a fool and a complete fucking coward.
@jameswhee9 жыл бұрын
The one time we liked Thorne
@EricCartman-mx5wg9 жыл бұрын
And last time, mate. Man, fuck the Watch... And I began liking Alliser. So much for that :(
@Mmmmkay1268 жыл бұрын
+James Wheeler Thorne is a great character... probably one of my favorite. He sees the reality of every situation and doesn't sugarcoat anything.
@jameswhee8 жыл бұрын
+Mmmmkay126 well no because he was blinded by hatred of the willing so much that he couldn't see that bringing them south of the wall was obviously the right thing to do
@jameswhee8 жыл бұрын
*wildlings
@EricCartman-mx5wg8 жыл бұрын
Mmmmkay126 In the books, that is. In the books, he didn't even stab Jon...
@Rams4life949 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love how Aliser sees Giantsbane as the most deadly enemy and goes right after him during the battle. True leader.
@mattilevi8 жыл бұрын
Alliser: Brother Slynt, you have the wall!!! Janos Slynt: WHAATT!?? LMAO
@IAMSOUND995 жыл бұрын
Janos 'i has friends in the capital' Slynt wasn't ready for this!
@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire5 жыл бұрын
Jon's like ohhhh shit
@VuTran-mf7kj4 жыл бұрын
If only Janos wasn't responsible for Ned's death, I wouldn't mind him living. He was an asshole, but he was funny.
@ikik16483 жыл бұрын
Janos Slynt’s the kind of guy who adds random people on LinkedIn and expects them to back him up a decade down the road
@landlockedcroat15542 жыл бұрын
WHOT!?
@abrahimgad83769 жыл бұрын
" A hundred generations have defended this castle. We've never fallen before! And we will not fall tonight. Those are Thenns at our walls. They eat the fleshh of the men they kill. Do you want to fill the belly of a Thenn tonight?" "NOOOOOO!!" "Tonight we fight! And when the sun rises I promise you Castle Black will stand! The Night's Watch will stand! With me now, now with me!!!" Respect to Ser Alliser
@gguddaye16 жыл бұрын
haven't watched this scene in 2 years and I just got major goosebumps
@jackxiao97025 жыл бұрын
And Jon's stupid mission causes the wall to fall in 10 seconds.
@moisen17844 жыл бұрын
The most badass speech of Got !
@sergioarturozayas-lopez6844 жыл бұрын
@@jackxiao9702 The nightwatch was doomed anyway, they wouldn't have survived a second night of onslaught from the wildlings. Jon desperate mission wasn't a bad idea in such circumstances
@TheRapGeneral14 жыл бұрын
thats some theoden/aragorn like speech
@knowyourdamnrole1 Жыл бұрын
"You know what leadership means, Lord Snow? It means the person in charge gets second guessed by every clever little twat with a mouth. But if he starts second guessing himself, that's the end...for him...for the clever little twats...for everyone." THIS is one of the finest and realistic dialogues ever written.
@TheRock1.0 Жыл бұрын
You stole my picture.
@anguswiebe Жыл бұрын
It's OK...vulgar
@kyleisbart197 Жыл бұрын
Amazing how a line written for the show only is this good. Shows when they wanted to, the writers (D and D) could write incredible dialogue. They just chose not to later on.
@premiumheadpats415010 ай бұрын
@@anguswiebe Imo, vulgarity doesn't diminish quality at all. Substance is what matters. Not being as polite as possible and avoiding the use of naughty words.
@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire9 ай бұрын
@@anguswiebeyou ever held a conversation with someone in the military? The vulgarity adds realism
@nncproductionsinc.40772 жыл бұрын
The fact Thorne holds his own vs Tormund, a younger and more fierce fighter is impressive. You can tell he learned to fight in a castle.
@V1ert Жыл бұрын
He was great before castle
@stanislavgalev9458 Жыл бұрын
@@V1ert I think what @NNC Productions Inc. meant was that Thorne learned to fight while he was still young as a lord in a castle.Way before he was sent to the Watch and even before Robert’s rebellion.
@V1ert Жыл бұрын
@@stanislavgalev9458 Thorne was never lord, just knight.
@stanislavgalev9458 Жыл бұрын
@@V1ert Perhaps, but he learned to fight well before he took part in any real battles.
@V1ert Жыл бұрын
@@stanislavgalev9458 true, but he also fought in real battles, like one at kingslanding
@benmasclans48 жыл бұрын
i may hate Alister Thorne but i would totally follow him into battle
@garyoak3177 жыл бұрын
I think his advice on leadership was actual insightful in this clip.
@najielgouach84497 жыл бұрын
why would any sane person hate him? fucking plebs
@oltsyo34427 жыл бұрын
I actually never really hated him despite all the shit he did, atleast he was honorable and was no pussy.
@heyheyheyheyheyhey767 жыл бұрын
He earned my intense respect after this. Died like a fucking man, and I loved him for it. Wasn't a weak wuss like Janos.
@himynamelscolin6 жыл бұрын
Until he eats you
@donalocribin33556 жыл бұрын
Just that image of him being dragged off, wounded, still screaming at everyone "hold the fucking Gate!" is a big part of what makes this character so great
@somtoszn2 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of Erwin in AOT
@nathanielroyce875110 ай бұрын
@@somtosznfr 😩
@markkoetsier64752 ай бұрын
@@somtoszn *SUSUMUUUUHHHH*
@setsunaemblem2 жыл бұрын
I love how he sees a dangerous enemy and runs straight for him to try and spare his men. Nothing but respect.
@Syryu9 жыл бұрын
This series is amazing. It can make you completely loathe a character one moment, then find them completely awesome the next. I hated Ser Alliser Thorne for the entirety of season one, and then in one battle he proved himself to be one the biggest badasses on the Wall. I would be glad to follow him into battle.
@wilsor909 жыл бұрын
There is plenty still to hate about Ser Alliser Thorne but he was always a badass. However he became a badass through bitter experience which turned him into a nasty bastard, as proven by his stories relating to his ranging beyond the wall in Season 1.
@bobcostas50949 жыл бұрын
I couldn't have said it better myself.......Completely agree.
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
***** Yeah I agree with you. You may not like him but you will gladly follow Ser Alliser into battle to die if you have to. You may despise him but you can't deny Ser Alliser sure can kick some Wildling ass. As Commander Mormont said in Season 1, ''I don't need him to be charming. I need him to turn these bunch of thieves and runaways into men of the Night's Watch''.
@chrisrye59 жыл бұрын
Yeah but you gotta give the upper hand to Tormund Giantsbane here
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
Krisb BeatS Tormund was just simply stronger. That was actually a pretty nasty cut that he gave Ser Alliser. I wonder is he still alive or is he dead since we didn't see him in the next episode and since Jon said ''Who's left to give orders'', it may be implied that Ser Alliser is dead. I hope he's not though as he has become an interesting character and I would love to see him return in Season 5. Also if you or anyone here has read the books and knows what happens to Ser Alliser, please don't tell me what happens to him
@sondrebjerkeset229310 жыл бұрын
"DOES FOOKIN´ HOLD mean FOOKIN´ DROP?!" - Ser Alliser FOOKIN´ Thorne
@aztecaddress635610 жыл бұрын
NO SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Falsol10 жыл бұрын
Hes a fooking legend!! A fooking legend.
@BadVideoWatcher19 жыл бұрын
***** Piss in ANY fookin' cornah.
@fonzyfermin88966 жыл бұрын
Sondre Bjerkeset old comment, but DRAW
@Knight-Bishop5 жыл бұрын
@@fonzyfermin8896 DOES NOCK MEAN DRAW?!
@Dartanius1009 жыл бұрын
"I SAID NOCK AND HOLD, YOU CUNTS! DOES 'NOCK' MEAN 'DRAW'?" "No, sir!" "DOES FUCKING 'HOLD' MEAN FUCKING 'DROP'?" No, sir!" "ARE YOU ALL PLANNING TO DIE HERE TONIGHT?" "NO, SIR!" "THAT'S VERY GOOD TO HEAR!" By far the most hilarious and inspirational speech of the series :')
@mylifeisfunny89119 жыл бұрын
Dartanius100 CONTS!
@ginganinja7149 жыл бұрын
Dartanius100 What I love most about it is he's speaking like he's running a training drill. On the one hand, it's hilarious. On the other, it serves to calm and motivate the men.
@DrThunder889 жыл бұрын
I like Tyrion's "These are brave men knocking at our door...let's go kill them!", but this is a good one too!
@ryansylvester2799 жыл бұрын
I think the best part about it was Jon, standing right there, just thinking to himself, "Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't say a fucking word."
@Dartanius1009 жыл бұрын
John Smith Funny you should mention that, as I commented on that video too XD "AND WHOEVER KILLS THAT FUCKING HORNBLOWER" :')
@mertcan93368 жыл бұрын
Look how Thorne fights, like an officer style, I was hyped in this scene.
@swolbrohamlincoln96598 жыл бұрын
Well he was a knight who fought for the Targeryans
@magnvsmarcvs8 жыл бұрын
+Swol BrohamLincoln No he was a dress maker and makeup artist somewhere in Dorne , did you even read the books braaaaaah ??
@ciaranconnolly2728 жыл бұрын
no he's not, he was a fighter in the sack of king's landing
@IAMSOUND995 жыл бұрын
"fighter in the sack" more like a murderer ))
@rojay12145 жыл бұрын
He does feel so much like an officer.
@living1172 жыл бұрын
Credit where credit is due, D&D made alliser Thorne and Jon’s dynamic so much better. Thorne isn’t cartoonishly evil he just believes in a different harsher style of leadership. The scene between the two of them about second guess was great writing and acting
@Lunarcheese722 жыл бұрын
D&D did pretty well when they framework was in place and they had something to work off of or add to. Once they were in open water and when Star Wars was knocking was when they started to royally fuck things up.
@lf22086 ай бұрын
As much as I agree with you I do have to note that the fact that this plays out differently than it does in the books does not mean that D&D are directly responsible. In fact I think several of the really good ‘new’ scenes in season 1, for example, were fully written by George RR Martin himself. That does of course also mean that D&D weren’t always behind the ‘bad’ additions either.
@samphillips81883 ай бұрын
And then they kind of ruin it by not giving the mutiny any real reason to mutiny. Jon in the books is literally being selfish by aging his little sister
@Keepsu10 жыл бұрын
Who knew Thorne was such a badass? The dude has balls of steel!
@QurttoRco10 жыл бұрын
***** Night's Watch it's Night's Watch nt Kight's watch
@warriorking07239 жыл бұрын
yeah the guy had balls, no question. But he is still a stuck-up dick.
@grimmywizard2 жыл бұрын
Who knew? Duh. We knew. The real fans. Man's an anointed Knight mate
@yoho8742 Жыл бұрын
The guys only on the wall because he supported the targaryens during Roberts rebellion. The fact he survived the war and was valuable enough to be sent to the should be all you need to know to prove that fact lol
@MaxwellAerialPhotography4 күн бұрын
The dude survived Roberts rebellion despite being a die hard Targaryan loyalist and was respected enough to be sent to the wall.
@roadrunneruntd9 жыл бұрын
The Gordon Ramsey of Castle Black.
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
roadrunneruntd I'd love to see Thorne, Gordon Ramsay, Fletcher from Whiplash and that Sergeant from Full Metal Jacket in a fight with one another.
@magnusthered4973 Жыл бұрын
No Gordon Ramsey’s the cook with the giant ass clever
@martythetickler9 жыл бұрын
Actually, Thorne has nothing against pampered people. The only thing he has against Jon is the fact that he has the blood of Ned Stark, who rebelled against the Iron Throne years ago. Thorne fought for the Mad King.
@Shadowman47109 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that's a lot of it right there. Also, as Chief Drill Instructor for the KW, he's supposed to something of a dick anyway.
@Shadowman47109 жыл бұрын
Interesting distinction but I accept the point as valid :)
@finnheisenheim82744 жыл бұрын
Which resulted in him having live the rest of his life in a dank and cold castle surrounded by petty thieves and rapists
@Professional_Youtube_Commenter2 жыл бұрын
House Thorne were loyalists, if only he'd known of Jon's true ancestory, he may have been his biggest fan.
@paytonkraft75642 жыл бұрын
Imagine the shock he would've had if he'd learned Snow was actually of Targaryen, blood.
@ShadeStormXD2 жыл бұрын
gotta be honest, this is THE single greatest episode in the entire series
@marchlander12 жыл бұрын
Ser Alliser Thorne. A FOOKIN' LLEGEND! Not a pleasant man, but a badass First Ranger.
@ianpcon36302 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@maradjade1848 Жыл бұрын
Seasons 1-4 is still some of the best television on the planet. Right up there with The Wire and early House M.D. in my opinion. Also Breaking Bad.
@roronoalaw7772 Жыл бұрын
@@maradjade1848 Don’t forget The Sopranos
@maradjade1848 Жыл бұрын
@@roronoalaw7772 never seen it. It's not my type of show.
@Nickalollyoff10 жыл бұрын
"...and you get to go on hating me..." Anyone else notice how he's staring right into the camera as he says this?
@boozantine8 жыл бұрын
I feel like Tormund did those Mount and Blade Warband voices
@decmadine8 жыл бұрын
That's a nice head you have on your shoulders
@Kaaxe8 жыл бұрын
+MysteriousGamer wow good ear my man
@karl_fookin_tanner96058 жыл бұрын
hahahahaa
@decmadine8 жыл бұрын
Hail to you brother of war
@s2398sav528 жыл бұрын
+Declan McCartney dat a noice had you have on ya shouiders
@wullah990810 жыл бұрын
Ser Alliser was AMAZING in this episode. Well done to the writers for the awesome turnaround in his character
@TheGreySpacer10 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they did him justice. In the books he is always an ambivalent character. He is kind of an asshole to Jon and the others, but you can also sympathize a bit with him.
@asensijj728210 жыл бұрын
TheGreySpacer I never had the impression that he was more than a cartoon pseudovillain in the books, there are no redeeming scenes that explain why is he always antagonizing Jon ( other than because he is a true highborn and Jon an uppity bastard). But in the show they made him a way more round character.
@DefaultName-du3kr9 жыл бұрын
J Jo In the book he knows that Jon is Ned Starks son, Ned forced him to take the black after they won Roberts rebellion since Allister was with Aerys II at the time.
@AvvocatodiTito9 жыл бұрын
J Jo SPOILERS actually,in ADWD,when Alliser Thorne is sent beyond the wall,he knows he is probably going to die,and he says Jon something like "I spent a third of my life trying to teach the basics of combat to rascals,paesants and thieves".In that moment,knowing how much frustration and bitterness haunt him(he was sent to a horrible place after he lost the war fighting for the losing side) I symphatized withThorne.
@x74chevelle599 жыл бұрын
Well I think we just never got the chance to see this side of him. His character is pretty typical. The battle-hardened asshole commander. When there's no fighting going on, he's just an asshole that bosses you around. But I think the actor did a great job in this scene getting the point across that there's a reason he's the new commander of the Night's Watch.
@TheRealBlackmare9 жыл бұрын
The final words of Ser Alliser Throne "Hold the fucking gate" a true badass moment for the Night's Watch
@megamovieman1019 жыл бұрын
He isn't dead...
@TheRealBlackmare9 жыл бұрын
Sorry meant Finals words for the season
@megamovieman1019 жыл бұрын
Deathreaper582 Ah.
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
Respect to the Thorne man #isaidknockandholdyoucunts
@animatedink25299 жыл бұрын
Deathreaper582 He's still alive in Season 5
@ek21562 жыл бұрын
The fight between Ser Alliser and Tormund was so well choreographed. Very awesome scene, to go from loathing Ser Alliser to hoping he holds Castle Black.
@Alknix Жыл бұрын
Well, choreographed, rly? 4:25 Tormund is open and unarmored. A slight thrust, and he's dead. Instead Thorne goes for a loooooooooooong-ass swing that a paraplegic would've dodged.
@luigicavallo27011 ай бұрын
@@AlknixOk, it ain't perfect, but it's still enjoyable!
@The_Daily_Tomato9 жыл бұрын
I never really liked Thorne but that is a man worth following to combat. He may be an asshole, but his skills are legendary.
@turkay67turkay9 жыл бұрын
True story lad ;) you got my respect for this awsome comment ;)
@Bayard15039 жыл бұрын
Legendary? :) no.... but he is a knight among a lot of convicted and untrained men.
@The_Daily_Tomato9 жыл бұрын
Vlad Bayard And i respect your right to think so, just know it is not wanted here.
@NicholasGeschke9 жыл бұрын
I concur. Thorne is an utter ass, but he's gotten some character development. Some are surprised at how well he can fight, but the fact remains he *IS* a Knight. And there's the fact that in the Night's Watch, surrounded by the cold on all sides and beset by the threat of the Wildlings and worse, you have to be either really smart or tough as nails to rise in rank. It's easy to see why he'd be so bitter: Having lived loyal to the Targaryens, he was given the choice of death or taking the Black. Then there's the fact he's seen truly terrible things beyond The Wall: Men dying and coming back as Wights. Ice-monsters, and other horrible things.
@Bayard15039 жыл бұрын
***** Has he seen ice monesters or zombies?? No he hasn't. And the simple fact that he's a knight made him be an officer of the Night's Watch. The other members were so untrained that he didn't have any real competition. As proof of this take the first episode of GOT, we see 3 rangers, who is the leader? 18 years old ser Waymar Royce, even if the other 2 are very experienced rangers. He had just joined the NW.
@wormygamer81649 жыл бұрын
Ser Alliser was once a fairly well known knight sworn to the Iron Throne, He mainly served the Targaryens and was there the day House Lannister pillaged King's Landing. Ser Alliser was wounded and taken captive at which point Tywin Lannister gave him a choice of Death or The Wall. Ser Alliser chose the wall and since then has always been a miserable cunt. In the attack of the wildlings on Castle Black, Alliser's Courage and Leadership shined bright again!
@mohsin19506 жыл бұрын
Wormy Gamer i wouldn't say he was a miserable cunt, but maybe pissed off too much with everything n everyone.
@areader22535 жыл бұрын
If only he knew Jon was a Targaryen!
@finnheisenheim82744 жыл бұрын
@@areader2253 Would have been first to call him king
@vincegalila72112 жыл бұрын
To be fair he was in a Sack protecting the people from the Lannister army who plundered raped and murdered the City. And was punished while the aforementioned pillagers walked free
@raphaelostrowski63362 жыл бұрын
I think he fought and survived the trident
@poleag9 жыл бұрын
Alliser has the best accent on the show
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
poleag I want to meet the actor who plays Ser Alliser just so he can call me a ''bastard''.
@mastablook38885 жыл бұрын
*YOU FOOKIN CONTS*
@lastriver66098 жыл бұрын
Don't care what anyone says, Thorne is fucking great.
@Niall8938 жыл бұрын
+LastRiver Was..
@lastriver66098 жыл бұрын
Mr Blonde fewer
@stannisthegoddamnmannis38768 жыл бұрын
*stannis smirks*
@Yinon7767 жыл бұрын
Then you have no sense of justice.
@logansingleton88185 жыл бұрын
This scene beautifully shows how a strong leader can turn the tides on the battlefield. Alliser does a perfect job of letting his men know what hell awaits them, but then gives them a dose of invincibility nested in a history lesson. A man who fights without fear is a dangerous thing.
@MarcusLeonard3078 жыл бұрын
Dang son! Tormund is like an orc from World of Warcraft lol, so ferocious!
@yaseraalsultan44428 жыл бұрын
+Rationalthought83 thx , this is fun
@ytsibyer8 жыл бұрын
+Rationalthought83 For the Horde!
@landontokiwa8108 жыл бұрын
You know he may be an asshole but i respect Alliser as a warrior...... he can give a good speech and he's a damn good swordsmen
@danielhaire66778 жыл бұрын
Ser Alliser may be a lousy option as a Lord Commander, but he does a good job as a battlefield commander for a fight like this. A pity he turned traitor at the end of the last season.
@upanddowntwice18 жыл бұрын
+Daniel Haire Depends on the definition of traitor. In his eyes, Jon is the traitor for saving the Wildlings, the very people the Nights Watch are meant to stop crossing the wall. Obviously I understand why Jon did it, but from Ser Allister';s perspective what he did was perfectly in line with his duty.
@danielhaire66778 жыл бұрын
Top Hattington Except the wildlings weren't the Nights Watch's real enemy. The White Walkers and their undead were the reason the Watch was formed. But without seeing the Walkers for centuries, People like Alliser just transferred that over time to the wildlings who had the objective of getting south of the Wall where it was safe. If Alliser had recognized that and not been blinded by his hatred of the wildlings, he could have been a major player and asset, instead he's only pyre fuel.
@upanddowntwice18 жыл бұрын
Daniel Haire I can sort of see why he would be that way though. There's a great scene way back in Season 1 where Ser Allister tells them about the shit he went through beyond the wall fighting the Wildings. Remember, many Wildlings are rapists and murderers. There's a lot of bad blood between the Night's Watch and the Wildlings, and given how much Ser Allister has given in order to keep them north of the wall, being ordered to just let them pass is a bitter pill to swallow, and is an act of treason in his eyes. Whilst the White Walkers are certainly a threat, simply letting those you've been fighting for so many years at the order of a man you hate is going to change a man like Thorne. Whilst he's an asshole, he's at least got reasonable motivations for what he does.
@ishssh54958 жыл бұрын
Not a traitor man he just followed his gut
@jessevee958 жыл бұрын
He's a cunt.
@Bayard15039 жыл бұрын
Ser Alliser Thorne, sent to the Wall for being faithful to the Targaryens.... oh the irony :)
@ironduke74238 жыл бұрын
You can say what you want about the bastard, but by seven hells that man's got balls.
@sqreleton35518 жыл бұрын
but is ignorant
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
+Iron Duke Ikr. I admire how loyal he is, and how devoted he is to his duty. I could understand that he was pissed that Jon brought in the Wildings, but he didn't see past his hatred. He should have gone to Hardhome and seen the Night King for himself.
@ironduke74238 жыл бұрын
heyheyheyheyheyhey76 what i'v also just realised was that ser Alliser was a Targaryen loyalist during Robert's rebellion, and after the defeat he could chose between death or the wall. so this also explains his hatred for Jon the ''son'' of lord Stark who won the war and got him send to the wall.
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
Iron Duke Wait until he finds out that Jon is a Targaryen. (I'm not saying it's definite, but I for one believe in the theory. There's quite a lot to back it up.) Robert has often claimed Rhaegar to be a complete savage and a cruel bastard, seeing as he "kidnapped" and "raped" Lyanna. However, in a scene with Baelish and Sansa when they are down in the crypt Sansa says "and he raped her" or something like that, but Baelish looks at her with a slight smirk and look of knowing, so he knows the truth about Lyanna and Rhaegar, and that maybe the latter isn't the monster that he has been said to be, and Lyanna got pregnant with Jon under consensual circumstances. There's also the scene with Daenerys and Ser Barristan, the latter says "Rhaegar never liked killing. He loved singing." Ser Barristan along with Baelish may know very well about what went down in the Tower of Joy. Plus, there's that scene with Melisandre and Jon when she asks him whether or not he's had sex yet. "Are you a virgin?" Now, it may be just a coincidence, but she seduced Stannis, who is the one true King of The Seven Kingdoms, and also Gendry, who even may be a bastard, is legitimately the heir to the Iron Throne, seeing as Tommen, Myrcella and the prick Joffrey (even dead) were all inbred, even if they don't know it themselves, so they have no blood that gives them the Throne. Mel may know about the deeds between Jaime and Cersei and that Gendry is the only one who has blood that lets him have the Throne. She may know about the truth between Rhaegar and Lyanna too, and that Jon is the heir to the Throne, hence her well let's just say "INTEREST" in asking Jon was he a virgin, and thus later trying to seduce him. Sorry I know that's a lot haha. Back to the point, wait until Thorne finds out that Jon is a Targaryen, he'll be thinking "Holy fuck, why did I decide to kill one of the last remaining Targaryens?"
@Sindizwe8 жыл бұрын
+Iron Duke Jon Snow, the guy who take the shit for Ned's decisions.
@diogocarvalho82928 жыл бұрын
"...and Now His Watch Is Ended.."
@admiralflynn8959 жыл бұрын
This whole Episode blew Blackwater out of...well, the water.
@saultigh43046 жыл бұрын
Imagine if Alliser knew that Jon is Targaryen. He'd call him a king and probably become his most loyal servant in a split second. Alliser was one of the few who remained loyal to Targeryens after their fall. It's strange how lack of awareness can make people do horrible mistakes...
@uctrong3268 Жыл бұрын
you mean layers of lies make people do horrible things? aside from the very obvious HOTD, Princess Rhaenyra childs are *ehem* obviously bastard, but jon is a black hair, plus his character make him every bit of a Stark, so how could anyone tells it was him?
@saultigh4304 Жыл бұрын
@@uctrong3268 No, lack of awareness.
@Sb22-ru2tk8 ай бұрын
@@saultigh4304I guess, no one really knew shit about him though. Since we're on the topic of secret heritage, I do think It's very bizarre that Ned stark doesn't ever reveal Jon's heritage to Robert and Catelyn, due to the obvious dire consequences of doing so, BUT, he will blatantly, and carelessly reveal joffreys incest to cersie. WHY???? Ned clearly understands conceptually that these kinds of secrets are best left kept safe, but then he still knowingly discloses the most dangerous one to cersie. Disclosing joffreys incest right to cercies face. While also being aware of the fact that the last hand of the king died because of this info too. This starts an entire war. What a fucking idiot. Wtf was Ned thinking? Wtf was his plan? Though irl, Ned would've been untouchable, but still, his choices were fucking stupid.
@fightingmedialounge5197 ай бұрын
I doubt that would be the case considering his loyalty came from his societal obligations.
@ryankwon87856 ай бұрын
He wouldn't. Everyone in Westeros hated Rhaegar for starting the war because he had taken Lyanna Stark.
@BoxOFish710 жыл бұрын
Being pulled in heavily wounded and still screaming to hold that fucking gate.
@turkay67turkay9 жыл бұрын
Chuck Norris is a joke compared to him, This is the Chuck Norris of GoT :))
@lordalessan7 жыл бұрын
Had Alliser known that Jon was both a Targaryen and a Stark, they would've had a Snape-Harry Potter relationship going on.
@ThePointlessBox_4 жыл бұрын
not really, they throw away their family name when joining the watch
@UlasSteel1233 жыл бұрын
@@ThePointlessBox_ Well I doubt about that cuz Thorne literally hated jon for being a stark
@ad-dk3md2 жыл бұрын
so true. alliser/severus both hated one of the protags "parents" (ned stark*/james potter) and loved the other parent (rhaegar targaryen/lily potter).
@eloisapaulamedina7289 жыл бұрын
I remember watching these scenes and thinking, "I hate you, ser. But please don't die."
@TheStarcraftJACKAL8 жыл бұрын
The whole conversation is like: Alliser: You got what it takes to be leader, Lord Snow. Jon Snow: Thank you sir. Alliser: Let's hope we can stick it to them so I can go back to hating you without fearing for my life. Jon Snow: Sounds good to me.
@356MONKEYMAN8 жыл бұрын
+MJk Slasher And then they both literally kill eachother.
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
+MJk Slasher They would both be dead next
@MrDibara8 жыл бұрын
Basically that. XD
@sufianabuahmad77818 жыл бұрын
Thorne wasn't a bad guy, he just did his job to the best he could and what he believed
@Liquefaction8 жыл бұрын
+sufian abuahmad i hate that he betrayed jon snow after jon trusted him. but i do like thorne still.
@Spoonmancometogether5 жыл бұрын
This battle was better than The Battle of Winterfell
@alexanderellinburg74252 жыл бұрын
Because we can actually see it lol
@groyperfuhr48712 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why they lit their arrows. Wouldn't it just waste time in firing? It didn't even spread onto the wildling clothing, what killed them was the impact of the arrowhead. They're probably easier to see and dodge by lighting them on fire as well.
@robbiebrown20023 ай бұрын
cause it looks cool man does there need to be any other reason@@groyperfuhr4871
@terrencelozada79Ай бұрын
@@groyperfuhr4871 I know it's late but it probably has the same idea of tracing bullets.
@groyperfuhr4871Ай бұрын
@@terrencelozada79 idk man with bullets it works because of the rapid fire rate. with arrows by the time you can rack and draw another shot the target will have moved drastically for tracking the shot to be useful
@MrDibara8 жыл бұрын
"HOLD THE FUCKING GATE!! HOLD IT!!!!"
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
+MrDibara you gotta hand it to the asshole, he sure as hell has balls. even after tormund injured him he wasn't just gonna ignore his men
@adernain8 жыл бұрын
+MrDibara focking*
@Kitchdmn38 жыл бұрын
I think you meant "Fooookin'"
@adernain8 жыл бұрын
You foocking cont
@i_m_p_u_l_s_e_8 жыл бұрын
+MrDibara DOES FOOKING HOLD MEANS FOOKING DROP ?!?!?!?
@cromwell3005 жыл бұрын
Holy crap! A Game of Thrones battle at night that I can actually see? Inconceivable!
@Kimchiboy0810 жыл бұрын
"With me now..........now with Me"
@fightfan67004 жыл бұрын
Most underrated battle in the whole show, by far one of my favourites
@flightofthebumblebee9529 Жыл бұрын
I love this scene so much. This entire episode was amazing. Jon Snow still completely respecting Ser Allistar's rank and position despite not liking each other, and Ser Allistar indirectly telling Snow he should've listened to him sooner. This is probably my favorite episode of the entire series.
@dawn1424 Жыл бұрын
Alliser thorne is a man like stannis. He did his duty and obeyed the law, nothing more, nothing less.
@Natedawg387 ай бұрын
Great actor, great character. Voice is perfect.
@Rams4life948 жыл бұрын
I'm gunna miss Thorne. He did what he thought was right, lost, and still died like a man. His speech in this clip will forever be one of my favorite moments in GOT. I was so high when I first watched this scene I started cheering with him when he charged. No show has made me do that before.
@beggingjuliet77588 жыл бұрын
+Rams4life94 LOL i remember watching this episode for the first time and i was stoned as fuck. giggled like an idiot when Thorne said "i said nock and hold you cunts", then i got super hyped watching this scene... and later cried like a girl when watching Grenn died while reciting the Nights Watch vow
@garyhochstetler7082 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite characters. He was a hard man but he was a fair and loyal man. He did what he thought was the right thing. He’s one of the few Crows that had honor.
@wazer85 Жыл бұрын
Totally agree.
@Greenout18on2 жыл бұрын
Best Battle in Game of thrones so far They said that Battle of bastards is better for many reasons But I say this Battle was the best An entire episode of 55 mins that takes place in one place something wonderful
@thefilmadvocate61922 жыл бұрын
Battle of the bastards is visually amazing but it lacks logic or substance to top this amazing battle sequence
@unc54 Жыл бұрын
@@thefilmadvocate6192 Yeah Watchers on the Wall felt the most like a coherent battle in the show. Every strategy and tactic felt well thought out and there wasn't really any plot armor.
@AnirbanChatterjeeIndia9 жыл бұрын
Truly, like many others, I loathed See Alliser since the beginning. And I had already read the books (till DwtD), and had read the chapters on the Battle of Castle Black. In the books, See Alliser is more of a hindrance rather than a hero during the battle. But the show... It's amazing to see that they've managed to make brilliant use of the character. Owen plays it wonderfully, and I too have found new respect for See Thorns. Especially his speech while rallying the rangers is absolutely marvellous! The way he battles against all odds, with courage and determination, and all the whole inspiring others around him, it is superb! Long live Ser Alliser!
@HumBugVo19 жыл бұрын
DOES FUCKING HOLD MEAN FUCKING DROP?!?!?
@ArwenUndomiel4069 жыл бұрын
Jason O' Driscoll NO SER!!!!!
@HumBugVo19 жыл бұрын
Tauriel Daughter of Mirkwood VERY GOOD!!
@ArwenUndomiel4069 жыл бұрын
TANK YOU SER!!!!!
@mylifeisfunny89119 жыл бұрын
Jason O' Driscoll I said knock and hold you CONTS!
@HistorysHaven Жыл бұрын
The Battle of the Wall in a Nutshell: Thieves, Rapists, and Murderers VS Thieves, Rapists, and Murderers
@coraxeiaznieta2343 Жыл бұрын
criminals v criminals
@wazer85 Жыл бұрын
You missed out Cannibals.
@souvikchakraborty80553 жыл бұрын
"Do u all want to die here?!!" "No sir" "Well, that's very good to hear" Laughing my balls out
@OfficialRedTeamReview10 жыл бұрын
Y'ALL PLAN TO DIE HERE TONIGHT?!?!?
@Beowulf_DW9 жыл бұрын
NO, SIR!!
@babakhanoushii9 жыл бұрын
Beowulf DW THAT'S VERY GOOD TO HEAR. DRAW~
@randomlyawesomeislander30029 жыл бұрын
AND bLurjdmal mdmamskkskaak
@Paul91-9 жыл бұрын
NO SIR!!!!!
@AnirbanChatterjeeIndia9 жыл бұрын
NO SER!!!
@MrHulsi10 жыл бұрын
What an amazing character he turned out to be. Love is accent and his pure loyalty. A real leader, yes Jon was right but the respect Jon gives him even when they hate each other bad. They know there is only one task at hand and that is defending the wall. CASTLE BLACK WILL STANDDDDD!!!
@AnirbanChatterjeeIndia9 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!
@jonnyfoster84143 ай бұрын
Owen Teale really did Thorne justice with a fantastic performance. Start to end.
@ODST_Parker9 жыл бұрын
That is one of the best things I've heard since Tyrion's rallying speech at the Blackwater. "I said nock and hold, you cunts! Does nock mean draw?! Does fucking hold mean fucking drop?! You all plan to die here tonight?!"
@Dutch_man20 Жыл бұрын
Say what you will about Alliser, but no one can deny that he is a fantastic commander and leader
@mat44102 жыл бұрын
“That’s very good to hear!” What a great accent! This was his moment. Love when Ser Alliser swings around the beam to protect from Tormand…what a great move. Likely learned his swordsmanship from Ser Arthur Dwayne.
@jeffreypeters28033 ай бұрын
For whatever else he was, I'm glad they made Aliser actually a good fighter, and one that was genuinely committed to his duty, at least as he saw it
@swolbrohamlincoln96599 жыл бұрын
Alliser. earned MAD respect after this episode
@Howlingburd193 ай бұрын
More like “The Campers on the Wall” lol In all seriousness, this episode is brilliant, and CERTAINLY one of the best in the show.
@spartancolonel8 жыл бұрын
This scene alone, is the reason why was I surprised when Thorne betrayed Jon Snow. I was expecting them to develop something of JD/Dr.Cox relationship from Scrubs.
@rosie80595 жыл бұрын
It would've been better if they had kept more faithful to the books, in Jon's death scene, i.e crying whilst they stabbed him.
@RUdigitized9 жыл бұрын
YALL PLAN TA DAI HEE TANNAIT
@persongrope3 ай бұрын
Saying that "these people are going to eat you if they win" is a pretty damn good motivator
@emilyb77529 жыл бұрын
About Alliser Thorne: Season 4 : "Fuck, This guy!!!" Season 5 : "FUCK THIS GUY!!!!!"
@Paul91-8 жыл бұрын
GameOfThronessss Season 1: God I hate this prick. Season 4: Actually this prick actually aint that half bad. Season 5: God I hate this prick again.
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
+irish91ify He's a dead guy in season 6. Ya don't murder the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch and get away. His head will be a chew toy for Ghost
@Paul91-8 жыл бұрын
heyheyheyheyheyhey76 Judging from last nights episode. Yeah. Your right.
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
irish91ify Have either Tormund, Davos or Ghost mangle him apart and I'll be shit happy
@hollidioso7 жыл бұрын
Season 4: Fuck Thorne Season 5: Can't this cunt die already, fuck thorne Season 6: *autistic screeching* FUCK THORNE
@17MXT9 жыл бұрын
01:18-His reaction gets me every time.
@SlaveCraven-vw8tk3 ай бұрын
Important context is that Thorne fought valiantly at the sack of king's landing. If there was anyone you wanted to stay strong during impossible times it's Thorne or Stannis. Deeper context is that Thorne is at the wall for being a Targaryen loyalist, unknowingly disliking and then respecting his King.
@andyb13368 жыл бұрын
Did you guys notice he has a unique fighting style too? It was cool to see Tormund's wild style in comparison to Thorne's orderly "officer" style of fighting. The man surely is a cunt, but you have to hand it to him, he's a badass mofo.
@ds223428 жыл бұрын
+Andy B but Tormund won
@sqreleton35518 жыл бұрын
+ds22342 He's younger
@giantWario8 жыл бұрын
+Lietiel ...That slice almost killed him and took him out of the fight. Of course its winning. Guy is called Giantsbane for a reason.
@Lietiel8 жыл бұрын
giantWario In your case, the reason would be: "Skewing facts to make a point," since they didn't name him Giantsbane for fighting Thorne. In any case, like Yogi Berra said, it ain't over till it's over, and anything could've happened if Thorne hadn't fallen from the platform. Ever hear of stabbing someone from the ground? Yeah, it's happened. Furthermore, rolling off of the platform took him out of the fight, not the slice. So, no, it's not winning.
@giantWario8 жыл бұрын
Lietiel ...He fell off barely 5 feets into straws and obviously fell on purpose purely because he wanted to get away from Tormund. Sam outright said this almost killed him and he spent 8 episodes limping after this. Of course its winning, what the hell are you smoking?
@giovannigiorgio8312 жыл бұрын
You can hate Ser Alliser but you have to respect his courage and determination.
@JenAnistonfan19 жыл бұрын
"A handrid thosan yu sa?"
@Darksaviour Жыл бұрын
Man Tormund must have regretted not killing Thorne when he had the chance here
@savannahvasquez60011 ай бұрын
Allier absolutely won me over with this scene! I hated how treated snow but this scene showed he wasn’t afraid to lead
@rhaegartargaryen93156 жыл бұрын
You know what? To think off it, Jon got to learn from so many great characters and important figures - Ned, Rodrick, Benjin, Tyrion, Jeor Mormont, Maester Aemon, Halfhand, Mance, Tormund, Alliser Thorne, Stannis. The guy is friggin groomed to be "Prince Who Was Promised" - Also he's my boy!
@Am-ko6sx10 жыл бұрын
thanks so much for uploading this, loved Ser Alliser in this episode.
@harris67398 жыл бұрын
I am sure am sad to see Ser Alliser go. Although it had to happen because he betrayed the Lord Commander he still was a great character.
@costco_pizza8 жыл бұрын
+Abdus-salam Ahmad DO YOU WANNA FILL THE BELLY OF A THENN TONIGHT? NO? WITH ME NOW!!! NOW WITH ME!!!! Anyone who was "happy" at seeing Alliser Thorne's death in the latest episode has to watch this scene again and see if they feel the same way. RIP to a legendary hero.
@ETCABEZON6 жыл бұрын
Jon betrayed the Night's Watch tradition letting pass through the Wall to the Wildlings. And is even worst in the books, he was trying to march south. Alliser did nothing wrong, and he died as a man. F to pay respects
@mattyglen873 ай бұрын
Similar to King Viserys I in HotD, the show vastly improved the character of Alliser from the books. Alliser was a pure foil for Jon in the books, but is given so much more nuance in the show. His opposition to Jon is given a lot more detail, and his motivations make absolute sense. Owen Teale's portrayal has a lot to do with that also
@meris84863 жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much better this fight is than anything in season 8
@Sirxchrish Жыл бұрын
I've always wondered what aliser thorne would have said or done if he knew that Jon was a Targaryen given that Thorne supported Rhaegar.
@markduck459211 ай бұрын
50 against 100000 💀 This is the most underrated battle in GOT.
@ironduke74238 жыл бұрын
"And now his watch has ended."
@Cavers8 жыл бұрын
+Iron Duke Both their watches have ended
@heyheyheyheyheyhey768 жыл бұрын
+Cavers Jon Snow has joined the club of characters who quit their job like a boss. Barristan Selmy, Sandor Clegane and Kevan Lannister
@joet71362 жыл бұрын
Never understood why Thorne couldn't or wouldn't see the honor and integrity within Jon and be big enough to admit he's a good man.
@st4ne4rmthevill635 жыл бұрын
Thorne had me hype af watching this scene. Had one of the best battle speeches in the show & one of the last dying lines as well.
@shamsuaddinrachedi792 Жыл бұрын
Most underrated battle
@dillonmurphy23947 ай бұрын
Probably my favorite episode in the series. The dialogue, cinematography, intensity, everything was fantastic.
@Kreppklebeband8 жыл бұрын
Tormunds style of fighting is freaking terrifying
@misakiv601210 жыл бұрын
Game of Thorne.
@boran2796 Жыл бұрын
I love the fighting style of Thorne, really officer like, not a prodigy but knows his business, great leader
@yawgmoth65682 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, peak Game of Thrones. Making you cheer for a character you've hated since season 1. As good as any show that's ever been on television. Shame it didn't end with the same powerful story telling it began with.
@ligidk8 жыл бұрын
He's one of my favs.. alongside Ramsay
@pgater1288 жыл бұрын
Seven hells...
@ligidk8 жыл бұрын
aidan theroux
@flistyl8168 жыл бұрын
Smart. That way we can get them killed.
@ligidk8 жыл бұрын
Tyler Fliss Ahahaha :D
@mleo56018 жыл бұрын
+ligidk Good characters, both of them
@billn.13182 жыл бұрын
😎 Must have been a sight to fight alongside an experienced knight like Ser Thorne within your ranks. Homeboy straight up cut through wildlings as he walked through. Hard to imagine in that medieval world back then (talking historical, not fantasy like GoT) involved old middle aged veteran fighters were the most feared in court and in battle. Can you imagine being battle hardened like Ser Thorne's age that you have the confidence to strike your enemy after the next like its a pinata line 😂
@rovert8812 жыл бұрын
Wow a night battle that I can actually see what is going on. What a concept
@boreunoffp36399 ай бұрын
This is an underrated battle. Might be the best in the show.