💥 SERIAL KILLER Body Language - The Aileen Wuornos Interview True Crime Murder

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[@raiders7294]

Paul Bernardo please.

[@AceMoonshot]

I know when it comes to material, you guys are spoilt for choice. But just a few ideas...Kemper, Oswald, Not-a_crook Nixon and Nixon vs Kennedy debates, maybe Costello and others in the Kefauver Committee.

[@amywells5379]

Hey guys. I am liking this *set a reminder* format. Looking forward to this one and interested which interviews you will show. ( excited for Mark and Scott's candid reactions to her character). I remember when this all started. I was a kid when our TV was held hostage for a month because our TV repair man decided to go to the East Coast to "get some" and became her first victim. The police closed his shop as part of the investigation. Sad story, this. For everyone involved.

[@LoneRider1969]

Richard Kuklinki plz plz Scott.🤗

[@raiders7294]

Do Paul Bernardo please. Thank you.

[@augustrae4067]

I think that she is referring herself as human to remind people she is because she’s been treated as less then human for many years

[@lsieu]

Good point.

[@ginabattz9716]

VERY good point!

[@mary-janereallynotsarah684]

I felt bad for her but then she said she needed wheels. Definitely lack of nurture and horrible abuse but how did she select the men? If it had been self defense I think she would have stuck to her story. I would understand if she saw every man as a monster but she said she just robbed some of them. It's awful what happened to her but she also called customers friends. Very confusing. Or was the friends angle just a lie? I do feel bad regardless. Not to excuse her actions. But horrible thing overall.

[@patriciacarolevondyche4068]

Yes…The references to “IT”. Lost me… see ya

[@carolnahigian9518]

the 7 guys she killed was Humans too

[@lindseyhudson1274]

I happen to know two women who have similar backgrounds to Aileen. Both were raped and beaten by fathers/grandfathers and forced into sex trafficking ( no child under 18 is a prostitute, they are victims of pedophiles) as young teenagers and neither was able to be a functioning adult. One died by suicide at the age of 20, the other is completely addicted to drugs on and off and has lost custody of 3 different children. I wait for the day I get the call that she’s overdosed. I don’t think anyone who goes through what Aileen and my friends went through is ever able to be mentally healthy. Also being raped is soul destroying, even if the victim is an adult so the damage caused by a pedophile to a small child must be astronomical. Truthfully I don’t see how she could turn out any other way. She had no support system, no mental health care and an atrocious life.

[@evacharles498]

Good point about the underage I totally missed. If she can't legally consent, then she isn't a prostitute.

[@jo-cx7pb]

I agree..

[@JuliaToptoTaildoggrooming]

I also think it's a cop out to say as one of the panelists did, that others go through this, and don't turn out as killers, that this was 'a choice' of some kind. I feel like no-one will have gone through the exact same thing in the same way as Aileen, and to suggest this is a way of dismissing her story. Going through something like she did, as a child, it would be obvious that harm was done & equally obvious that if no support is given for this harm then a cycle of abuse is likely, what happened as far as I can see is that abuse imploded & she ended up killing people as a way of partially dealing with her own abuse. She never felt like she mattered, & so others lives didn't matter. Many people who are abused turn that harm inward, end up self harming, I don't think that it really waahes to say that just because othere who go through this don't wind up doing the same, that she didn't have to either, you could say that about anyone & their life choices, fact is that we must see that abuse, lack of care & also after support causes extreme harm & the damage can be astronomical. It does make me wonder about other killers too, whether evil is really damaged individuals let down by their life circumstances resulting in serious mental health disorders

[@mcblaloc]

@@evacharles498 Correct

[@sallyfeschuk5771]

I'm very sorry for your friend but thank you for standing by her without judgement. That's real friendship.

[@sandybeveridge5692]

I love Chase’s analysis of this woman. I also detect some compassion and sadness. That’s human and I salute him for this trait

[@Grace.AlwaysGrace.]

Thank you for posting that, Sandy. A truth well spoken.

[@lizziej72]

Yes. I didn't like Scott's little speech about how he's only going to refer to her as "it." She's still a human being.

[@lizziej72]

@@simonblack4203 Exactly. It definitely says a lot about Scott.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@@lizziej72 Mark rolled his eyes at that.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

@@annie-zw9yl Agree, her background (her lifeexperience doesn't exactly make for having high thoughts about men generally) and that circumstance of her first victim recently had been released after serving a 10 year sentence for a violent rape. Even if it was a situation of excessive selfdefence it may have been a situationed of her being threathened and further might have been a catalyst for the rest of the killings, people who are frightened can be dangerous.

[@bruh-gh8wu]

Aileen Wuornos has always fascinated me. When sex workers go missing or are murdered nobody really seems to care all that much. But when a sex worker murders her johns, she is the first and only female serial killer. I really like Scott, but his 'it' comment left a bad taste in my mouth. To me, it was an example of the misogyny that too often surrounds women when it comes to sex, abuse and crime. Note: I am not calling Scott a misogynist, I'm simply commenting on the misogynistic tone of one of his statements.

[@vanessacarman5031]

I've always felt compassion for her, but then again, she didn't murder my family member. Her childhood undoubtedly broke something inside.

[@proxyofamuse]

I feel the same. I'm not condoning anything she's done, but that doesn't mean I can't understand why it may have gotten to this point. I wish she could have a redo.

[@martyncraigbrown]

Yeah, I’m sure her victims relations will differ on this but i pity her too. We all have a breaking point. She was dealt a terrible hand and lashed out

[@Amazing_missB]

I think her childhood took away her humanity. Killing her didn't make a difference to her and she welcomed her end. I think she had died a long time before her execution. I agree some people should never be let out into society- but I also don't agree that the government should have the power to take a life or make the judgment on who lives or dies.

[@SavedByJesusHeimatLiebe]

is not like someone carried those grown men to her or forced them by gunpoint!!

[@lally816]

When I saw the movie it was the most heart wrenching upsetting movie I’ve ever seen and I felt so sorry for that woman

[@bpan9245]

I remember watching the documentary about her and being in tears by the end. From birth to death..everyone saw her as less than human.

[@virginiawallace4402]

Yes. They certainly did. I feel so bad for her. She didn't need to end this way.

[@viciouscircle7802]

@@kevinmeserole7345 She did it because she believed her girlfriend was the only one who ever truly loved her and she was trying to keep her around.

[@viciouscircle7802]

@@kevinmeserole7345 Yeah I'm so out of order....sorry Dad! No need to be insulting i just have an opinion like everyone else.

[@viciouscircle7802]

@@kevinmeserole7345 I'm a woman lol

[@viciouscircle7802]

@@kevinmeserole7345 😘🤣

[@RaystheRoad2]

Chase is very compassionate and empathetic to her and what she went through as a child. He is my favorite.

[@reneelibby4885]

he's the only one showing empathy on this particular video. props to Chase.

[@amazingsupergirl7125]

I always love Chase.

[@AlyxCoe]

With all due respect...I would call Jodi Arias an 'it', but this woman's childhood was an absolute nightmare, unlike Arias' who was spoiled rotten. Wuornos had no chance at becoming a well adjusted person. . I'm not excusing her, just making an observation.

[@numerian4516]

I will agree w your perspective.

[@zawilson1010]

Truthfully, I'll probably continue to watch their videos, at least here and there, but without subscribing or liking the content. I am profoundly disappointed in this video, in the remark made that high gas prices in the US are the fault of Biden by one of the panelists, and by the lack of panel diversity.

[@AlyxCoe]

@@zawilson1010 yes, I'd like to see at least one woman on that panel, and certainly female guests who are truly professionals, like Det. Kim Davis who interviewed Daniel Holtzclaw.

[@calliecrider2475]

I agree completely

[@joebarracuda6038]

@@zawilson1010LGB

[@SueMoseley]

I understand her perspective that raping a child is worse than killing someone. I have a friend who was raped throughout her childhood by her own father. She's alive, but he took her life all the same. She is not the person she would have been if this hadn't happened. I think men, in general, have no clue how devastating rape is (unless they've been raped). To be repeatedly raped as a child by adults who were meant to take care of you is worse than dying in my opinion. The adults who destroyed her psyche when she was a child are the monsters here. It's heartbreaking.

[@coreyparson9906]

Being a survivor of rape, I can attest that it is like a murder. The old me died.

[@gemmateagan2022]

Totally agree. Exactly what I think. Guys usually can't understand how horrific rape is. Like people always say that child killers get gang raped in jail by other men - I kind of think that some of those guys doing the raping of the rapist must be child rapists themselves, if it's so easy for them to use their sex organs as weapons.

[@lux.illuminaughty]

I was going to say something like this, that to Aileen's mind the allegation of RAPE and murder of a child against someone was enough for her to make a Judgment (and I mean that capital J Judgment, as the guys go over - Aileen sitting next to Jesus, with her accused across from them being Judged; human > moral > right > righteous), and that as a child who had been raped and left alive she had first hand knowledge of the effect the former had upon a child (perhaps the latter was a mitigating factor to her mind, but not much of one).

[@ginabattz9716]

@@coreyparson9906 I agree. I was not ever the same. I’m still going through trauma with a therapist, over 20 years later.

[@coraldawn7201]

I'd be suicidal

[@sammax2109]

After reading about her life I have compassion for her. She had a very distorted view of the world but I believe we all would if we experienced her life.

[@susiefoxy8130]

I agree, when she says about ‘friends’ she has a distorted view of what friends actually are, people paying her for sex are not friends, people living like she was and drinking and taking drugs together are not a good idea of what friends are. Poor woman, never really had anyone there for her!

[@shirleymason3853]

Where did you read about it? I’m asking because I would like to read about it… I knew from the movie & a few things but not a complete accounting

[@ellie698]

EXACTLY Amen 🙏

[@shonwalker344]

Chase Hughes what I love most about the first segment was your ability to speak with compassion about this lady and her life. In her death you gave her a sense of humanness.

[@robyn2628]

chase is such a sweetheart

[@ldjt6184]

And he was the only one who did.

[@larajhilton]

I watched the documentary and the description of an incident that was witnessed by her childhood friend regarding her grandfather was hard to get out of my head. It was horrific. She was an abused child and grew up a damaged adult. The authorities stepped in when she was an adult but where were they when she needed them as a child?

[@ginabattz9716]

Absolutely. Her childhood was horrific. Her adulthood was horrific. She took control when and where she could. 💯 not saying that killing anyone is ever right, but she was just so mentally broken.

[@claudiapoe5292]

Having dealt with CPS, I have found that many workers have become hardened to some behavior. The rules don’t work like they should. If the child is in a good foster home, the foster family can’t implement good behaviors because of the child’s rights. My aunt tried to teach a teenage boy how to manage and save money. She wasn’t allowed to do that because the money was his and he could spend it as he liked. The worst thing though is that they make every effort to get the child back with their own family. For many, the worst place they can be. The family will do everything they can, not because they care about the child, but because they get money for them. They change things on the surface. Get the child back and then they do exactly as they did before. I won’t describe the horrific things that occurred afterwards.

[@mandychadwick6823]

@@claudiapoe5292 ❤️‍🩹

[@mandychadwick6823]

I agree Lara.

[@dianes5762]

And then, I belive, killed for that Bratt Ty.

[@parrotperson1973]

Very ironic that Mark would complain about the "dehumanizing language" Wuornos used while Scott nods in the background. Scott, calling a human being "it" is about as dehumanizing as it gets. That says something about who you are. Something not very flattering. I've watched several videos which were interesting, but this is where I stop. The sexism and glib judgement of a PERSON who had a horrific childhood is not becoming of you and not something I want to expose myself to again. I understand that she needed to be prevented from killing again, but I disagree with the death penalty and I disagree that she was a psychopath. She loved her female partner, for example, she was not an it who had no feelings. I stopped watching the Susan Smith video as well because of your sexism. You all judged her for not being expressive enough while giving her husband a pass, rationalizing that he was "frozen" and that was understandable. Until and unless you guys take a look at your own biases, truly, whatever's interesting in your observations is going to be poisoned by them.

[@haitianhoodoo265]

Yes, I object to calling Wuornos " It" . Her father was a child molester, her grandfather molested her , there was incest with her brother at an early age, and with the traumatic stress of this upbringing, one cannot forget as one of you always says community ( or family) is everything . You didn't call Jeffrey Dahmer whose father had a doctorate in chemistry " It"; you didn't call Trump "It"; please do not call this woman born into abject poverty and violence " It" .

[@leonslionessnz6948]

Indeed. There is an old saying 'Never judge someone until you have walked in their shoes.' Calling someone an it is a judgemental and dehumanizing statement and hardly something I would expect to hear from a professional person.

[@mortalclown3812]

I think calling her an 'it' was despicable. For guys who say you don't pick sides, I wish you'd toed the line in this 'dissection'. Of course, you could use every label for Aileen, but more conjecture about mental illness as a result from horrific abuse would have added balance. God only knows what she lived through. I feel like Chase displayed the most humanity, btw. Seeing so many empathetic comments here is heartening.

[@Annaklaranna]

I agree

[@gopony6798]

I don’t even understand why he called her an it when he’s never called any other murderer an it. It was as if he took her crimes personally or something.

[@spiceshewrites]

@@gopony6798 Exactly

[@bonitatorres5543]

In his defense, he did say "nothing is there". But I would NOT call her an "it". She's a human being who lived an inhumane life.

[@ginabattz9716]

Thank you!!!!

[@nicoledonovan2057]

i am a big fan...calling Aileen "it" was very jarring to me. She was definitely a product of her environment; not that i am excusing her behavior. Her entire story was/is so tragic. I am spiritual/definitely not religious. To call our fellow man "it" is so harsh to me. We are all so blessed to have a healthy mind and the good fortune that we do.

[@nicoledonovan2057]

@NUYAKA it still is so upsetting to me It makes me want to cry

[@zenbumblebee]

@NUYAKA Me too. I've been reading through the comments & many others think the same. It's just so cruel. Both Scott & Greg lack empathy for SA survivors, this is just entertainment for them. I've gained knowledge but this was horrific.

[@proxyofamuse]

The way Chase talks about the reality of what is going on is 100%. Dissociating, the delusions. That's what is happening. Her situation is absolutely devastating.

[@Strange9952]

Boo hoo poor psycho killer

[@HettiedeKorteDiplomaat]

I always feel sorry for her. She had no chance in life from the day she was born. Her life was the opposite of the American Dream.

[@lauraevelynpaxton]

Which is the situation with a large # of men serial killers.

[@claudiapoe5292]

I was a chaplain for a homeless mission and worked with women. I witnessed what happens to women who have been sexually abused by close family members including fathers, brothers, uncles, and grandfathers. Many become overtly sexual which can include prostitution. Others completely hate men and turn to women for intimacy. The extent of the abuse increases the level of mental anguish and behavior. The environment in which this occurred can make it much worse if other abuses have occurred and continued to occur. When others in the family know about it and do nothing, the powerlessness is profound.

[@mortalclown3812]

Thank you for leaving this comment...and for the work you do.

[@tarawalsh-arpaia3928]

@@mnash8007 Perfect observation, Perfect. That is recognised in both the sciences (psychology, psychiatry and others) and the law and victim support. This panel has no recognised area of expertise. None. But, in my profession, having dealt with so many victims of sexual abuse and violence I have always thought the same as you. So, I teach new people not to argue with a person if he/she self-blames at first. They are trying to regain control. They will get past that in their own time, however long it has to be.

[@alisonquinn7143]

Im so impressed by the compassion for Aileen that im reading in the comments. She was a victim her whole life and my heart breaks for her.

[@Jersey1971]

I'm not blaming the victims but those men were disgusting they were living a lie had wives and children but were out there soliciting prostitutes the media made these men look like upright law-abiding citizens. God passed his judgement on them the night they picked up Wournos

[@christinemichele2318]

Chase, I appreciate your compassion and professionalism.

[@37kilocharlie]

I appreciate his referencing peer reviewed studies 👍🏼

[@rickwrites2612]

His analysis of her pride in being able to take control and become a teenage independent prostitute, rather than be pimped or submit to rape and abuse is very astute. She is proud of her toughness, courage, initiative and self-reliance.

[@lolapop9956]

Chase nailed it. I appreciate the introduction of the impacts of past and continued trauma. Not a pass for what she did, but if there is going to be a discussion, it has to include all the variables for why she did it, not just am attack on a woman who lived a horrible life at the hands of others. Hence the reason it's important to include it in the narrative. Understanding trauma and mental health is paramount if we care about prevention and intervention for those exposed to trauma and violence from childhood.

[@lucidawakening]

Aileen is the only serial killer I’ve ever felt some kind of sympathy for. From birth to death her life was a nightmare, and no one ever loved or cared about her, all she ever wanted was love.

[@ms.annthropic6341]

Her case is honestly heart breaking 💔

[@kellysims5732]

I agree. ❤️ If someone would have loved her, there wouldn't have been any killing. She was from very ignorant people 🙄. Nobody deserves a life like she had.

[@eyeoftheleopardleopard8829]

Agree 100%.

[@Brianna.007]

💯 I felt bad for her too

[@Vk-mm4lf]

Chase seemed to be the single panel member that had a sincere grip on Aileen's evolution. Dont all of your jobs require you to have true insight and empathy? Scott, that was so telling and disappointing to hear and witness your struggle with understanding why R is worse than M. Greg, your misogyny is showing!

[@tarawalsh-arpaia3928]

Yes, there 'jobs', if they really had them, would require that.

[@krob7955]

She was psychologically “frozen” at age four… when she was left with her grandfather who SA’ed her along with his friends. The child she had at 14 was the result of that SA. Chase acknowledging that history was completely necessary. Context matters. Not only to being a decent person in how one regards others, but to properly interpret the nonverbal behavior of a person. Scott’s commentary was disgustingly tone deaf. It’s so easy to educate yourself on SA and trauma. You don’t have to be a survivor or counselor to gain a modicum of understanding. None of this justifies Aileen’s actions, but it certainly feeds into the psychology and motivation that lead her there.

[@MsSilverTulip]

Wholeheartedly agree with you. And TBA have replied to other similar comments with snarky, sarcastic unprofessional comments. Shameful.

[@jn5859]

I think these guys are the best at behavioral interviewing…. But I would strongly recommend that before they ever discuss the topic of sexual violence again, they need to take a long, serious look at their own attitudes about it. So much of what was said was inappropriate and offensive, and they’re completely oblivious.

[@alabama.worley]

What exactly did you find inappropriate and offensive? They didn't discuss any details about rape/sexual violence.

[@jn5859]

@Samson of course they can. The fact that you think there is no nuance beyond the question of whether or not this woman was a murderer is concerning. There were also plenty of side conversations where this topic was mentioned that didn’t focus on Aileen at all. And they weren’t good.

[@jn5859]

@@alabama.worley The biggest part was where Scott literally couldn’t fathom why a victim of sexual assault would view the R word as worse than the M word. Not even a slight hint (whether he agrees with the viewpoint or not, he couldn’t even imagine that the R word could possibly cause much suffering). That’s for starters. I think Chase did a pretty good job of addressing the subject without being offensive. Others, not so much.

[@alabama.worley]

@@jn5859 That's a personal viewpoint, and in no way offensive or inappropriate. Furthermore, her vernacular and psychology factor into their overall assessment. It was she who placed murder below rape morally, then literally acted out on it. Scott simply didn't agree with that, nor did the judicial system. I don't recall him saying that rape doesn't cause suffering.

[@jn5859]

@@alabama.worley Cool story. Any my personal viewpoint is that whether you AGREE with her thinking or not, it shouldn’t be difficult for the average person to recognize that she was referring to living a life of suffering vs not experiencing the emotion of suffering when one is not alive. It’s not rocket science.

[@sarkahalastova9667]

I really admire how after all those years in the army and in this job Chase didn't get jaded about the human part of the story. And he is always there to bring it back to the picture, whether it's the suffering of the victims or the perpetrators. He might have his opinion about the person and sometimes expresses it clearly (about Chris Watts "I will not say his name") but he never de-humanizes them.

[@michellekingsbury8439]

I am curious about Chase’s upbringing and influenced only because of how they seem to have led to such un-toxic masculinity and an empathetic, thoughtful intelligent strong man.

[@michellemcgrath892]

Such a sad and raw example of the ripple effects of an abusive and underprivileged childhood/life

[@claudiapoe5292]

What is more tragic is that things like this happen all of the time. When I was in college, I took a course in law enforcement. The detective talked about things happening in our local society. A man prostituted his elementary school daughters to pay for help on his property. A teenage prostitute defended her vocation as being good because she made more money in one night than the officer did in a week. So very sad.

[@martyncraigbrown]

@@claudiapoe5292 good grief. Parent of the year award. Thats horrific.

[@trawlins396]

I love how Chase is always so empathetic. It's like he takes off his "interrogator" hat and just looks at how sad her life was. His wife is a lucky woman!

[@savvystylelady]

I agree. Chase has empathy and he must be a wonderful father and husband. His family is very lucky. 🌺

[@kswhiteyak]

I studied Aileen for yrs. The case fascinated me immediately. The clip you saw, when you all thought maybe she was drugged, she wasn’t. She had always refused medication. Aileen had been on death row for 7 yrs, she was in a legal battle with the state of Fl, to forgo her remaining appeals and be put to death. The state held hearing trying to determine if she was sane to make the decision. Get this, 3 forensic phycologist stated she was sane! She won, was able to wave her remaining appeal’s and Gov Bush signed her death warrant. Her childhood friend that was with her during this time told the reporter she was terrified her chance to go to the death chamber would be prolonged if she didn’t make a confession of cold blooded murder. She wanted out and the only way was to die. So what you are actually seeing,” at least in her mind” is her telling a lie. Her childhood was horrible in every way. Raped at 13 by her grandfather’s friend got pregnant as a result, she was sent away to have the baby and placed it for adoption. Her grandmother died when she was 14 she was beaten and raped by the grandfather until he kicked her out. Neighborhood childhood friends say she lived in the woods until she hit the road at 16. It’s a sad but fascinating case. There are a few good documentaries you should watch. I believe the 1st one was tape, it caused her to snap lose all touch with reality and went on a murder spree.

[@bereal6590]

Spot on, Mark is shite Scott crap chase is the only reasonable one. Your analysis is spot on✋✌👏👏

[@kellysims5732]

Good investigating. I feel 😪 very sorry for her and her victims. I believe that her neighbors should have reported her grandfather. We all have a responsibility to look after one another!!!!! I truly believe that. But times were different back then. What is done in darkness should be brought to the light! May no child suffer anymore!

[@kenzielogic9405]

"It"? Really, Scott? What happened to "We don't judge, we don't diagnose, all we do is read body language/behavior and look for deviations that show red flags" I've watched every TBP video and while there have been times when I thought one or another of the guys have missed the mark, or I've had a differing opinion, this is the only time I've ever had a WTF did he just say moment. I had such high hopes for ya'll covering this case, because she was so very complex. While I believe that Aileen never should have be released, she was negated her entire life and by reducing her to an "it" you've added to it, even after her death.

[@sengoma8638]

I don't believe them whenever they make that disclaimer. Just the fact that you're giving your opinion removed objectivity for me.

[@karinsykes3900]

Thankyou for your comment. I agree completely. I am disgusted by there analysis. Time for them to bring in at least one female expert. Preferably use her to replace scott rouse (lack of capital letters intentional)

[@gripplehound]

Vote with your feet and unsubscribe ladies. You can also comment on their Twitter post, which is what I’ve done.

[@Sara-2022]

I wonder if you would feel the same and defend these actions if it was a man who murdered women because he had suffered terribly in childhood…... She admitted in the end she murdered to rob the men, it wasn’t self Defense. I feel a lot of empathy for her as a child but imagine it was your son or husband who she preyed upon! V scary and sadly prison was the best place for her…

[@Sara-2022]

And respectfully you don’t have to be in this group of you don’t like that it’s all men 🤷‍♀️

[@emmaanderson6620]

This one makes me really sad…all that childhood trauma is so obvious. 🥲 Credit to Chase for bringing the psychology and also to Greg for reminding us of her tragic story. I see real bias elsewhere… so old and tired to point and laugh. Oldest trade in the world.. kept in business mostly by the same guys who might point and stare.

[@ashleybreckheimer1387]

Thank you for bringing light to her side, Chase. Not at all justifying her actions but understanding her life .

[@pussygalore731]

Yes unlike Scot showing his misogynistic ways

[@endodenise2090]

I understood that you guys were objective and not judgemental. No one should be called an “it”. I would be interested in her thyroid levels. As an endocrinologist, I saw inmates who were hyperthyroid and believe this had a major effect on their behavior.

[@pimlico3225]

Agreed and good point about the thyroid. Her eyes are quite pronounced here.

[@flapsmahoney2471]

I have a lot of sympathy for Aileen and she does not deserve to be called an it 👎

[@foekist7312]

I feel so sorry for her. She never stood a chance. Killing is unforgivable, but some of the things she had endured and lived with; is unfathomable. Poke a dog long enough and it will bite you. She had been tortured both physically and mentally all her life. Whilst I know that there are sadly many many women out here that have/are being treated the same, and they haven't killed... that doesn't mean I don't feel for each of them too. Poor woman never stood a chance to be a normal, respectable member of society because nobody ever loved her. SAD!

[@Versul1]

And you know this because she said so? LMAO

[@foekist7312]

@@Versul1 Don?

[@Versul1]

@@foekist7312 LMAO

[@martyncraigbrown]

@@foekist7312 ignore him, the don is not *real* mafia and is just trying to wind you up. We should leave a horses head on his head for revenge.

[@coraldawn7201]

It's heartwrenching knowing that she has just known badness & hurt seen it, Wow can't phathom it

[@marleneworth3355]

Her victims were not innocent men, they paid to use and abuse her body and very likely these 7 got out of control!! Women do get raped and murdered every day when they resort to this lifestyle, what about their families. This is a woman who had no soft place to land her whole life, she is not so much a narcissist as she is a survivor. She never learned how to seek out help and certainly never had anyone step forward to help her as a child.

[@goeteialove8631]

I'm relieved I'm not the only woman who was disturbed when she was referred to as "it" and just a body running around with a real human inside of it... and then they go on to discuss how she horrible she was to dehumanize a rapist. It did strike me instantly as due to misogyny, and I wondered if the panel spoke the same way about male serial killers. Haven't watched very many of their shows, but other women's comments indicate that they don't. They also never make mention of the fact that there is a claim that her grandfather raped her and one of his friends got her pregnant.

[@martyncraigbrown]

Aa a male I don’t know what his motive is. Or if it is misogyny. It may just be contempt. But it’s unprofessional and pretty ugly IMO.

[@lisac3002]

Scott had a fever of 102*

[@spiceshewrites]

@@lisac3002 And? 6 days passed and he has NOT apologized. I think he meant every word.

[@mcblaloc]

AGREED. In order to properly and thoroughly analyze any interview given by a woman, especially one who had been knowingly victimized the way Aileen was, this panel needs to bring *a woman* on to give that perspective. I say this as a fan of this channel. The last thing the world needs is a group pf *white men* discussing and opining on the lived experiences of any woman. Ugh!

[@AlyxCoe]

@@spiceshewrites After the BP aired this, I realize that I haven't watched any of their videos. It was fun for awhile.

[@stephendeluca4479]

Not saying that rapists SHOULD be killed, but prostitutes do really get raped ALL the time. Wournos is justified in attacking the families of rapists (if indeed they were) for loyally defending them. It's very hard for us men to step into women's shoes in this issue. You may want to watch 20 or 30 Soft White Underbelly interviews of prostitutes to hear what they experience- and those are the ones who have not been killed....yet.

[@crowmedicine3890]

I watch Soft White Underbelly also. It's tragic what people do to one another. And hearing these people's stories, and witnessing their pain, gives you empathy for people you never thought you could.

[@crowmedicine3890]

I watch Soft White Underbelly also. It's tragic what people do to one another. And hearing these people's stories, and witnessing their pain, gives you empathy for people you never thought you could.

[@iconc1402]

Soft white underbelly is fantastic. Hope people go and watch it.

[@kayleighjones6464]

Thank you for this comment. I've been trying to find just one.

[@lochamb1234]

I have watched a few interviews with this woman and my heart breaks for her. She is a prime example of how a horrific childhood can create a truly unbalanced individual. She was abused at home, bullied and picked on at school. She had no escape from her nightmare until she ran away/was thrown out. Of course I do not condone what happened but even the most beautiful of trees can grow twisted in the harshest of conditions. As a body language and communication master trainer and lecturer, I encourage my students to watch this channel. 4 experts who each specialise in slightly different aspects of this field and who don't always agree in this wonderfully diverse science. Throughout this video I must disagree with a lot of Mark's analysis, I also found Scott's intro rather off putting. Thankfully Chase set the scene for the horror this woman endured..... she of course made her own decisions as an adult but I also believe as a monster she was created. Scott, she is a woman who was abused as a child and as an adult, so rape is a horrid crime for her. (Although later on she alters her plea). Murder is the end....no more .... cease to exist.....Rape, Scott, is endured by the woman for her whole life.

[@martyncraigbrown]

I agree with most of your points, you can’t help feel she never had a chance for a normal life. And not to cause distress or offend, but death is so very very final. I can’t imagine how horrendous coping with rape is and don’t want to patronise. But I’ve suffered significant childhood trauma personally that I won’t go into but it doesn’t permeate every waking thought And I still experience joy.

[@laurarichey7439]

Excellent comment. I feel the same way about how this. I really appreciated Chase and Gregg's view.

[@steppy3736]

Wow! Mark is calling her out for using "dehumanizing language" but no comment regarding labeling her "it".

[@pimlico3225]

Chase's observations are so incisive here. He's the only one that appears to put himself in her shoes for a moment and set judgement aside long enough to see where she might have gotten her mentality from, which is where the real answers are. Strong impartial insight and I'd say this is his style of analysis in general. Empathy can be typecast as a quality that's too "woo," illogical or sensitive but when employed, gives viewpoints that can't be reached through cold analysis. I really appreciate his willingness to express his thoughts despite the stolid reception from other panelists in this particular episode. I'm not saying she should be celebrated for killing anyone but it's understandable why/how she did imo. Other murderers have been forgiven and released, others still do so on a regular basis without remorse or repercussions on a larger scale so there's that. Edit: re: the 1st point in the video I don't think her not naming the acts is deception or lying but distancing/compartmentalizing which Chase astutely references at 33:22. She's clearly traumatized so indirectly referring to them allows her to maintain her composure, it distances her from the experience rather than being in it. 31:47 is ironic commentary given the way most of the panel dehumanizes her. Amazing.

[@victoriaanderton2393]

I just want to say Scott's always the one who says, we're in the middle we don't care like that country whom I can't spell. It was made quite clearby Greg this woman had a vile life. Her ability for empathy, morality, plus she was excluded from normal sexual experience or to be a mother to a baby she had taken away. How could anyone develop any normal reactions in the awful setting? She had a baby at 14, she was a child and should have been protected. It's very sad but IT? she was human and no doubt had suffered, emotionally, responsibility and morally.

[@swansong5263]

I don’t condone what she did but I’ve always felt pity and compassion For this woman.

[@martyncraigbrown]

I hear ya. And great nick

[@identicaltwins1973]

She has been wronged by every single person in her life. Men and women. To me it’s so sad. She may have been a psychopath, but it was because of her horrendous life. From the time she was born. You wonder what she would have been like had she had people who truly loved and cared for her. Every single person in this world deserves love. Even Eileen Wournos!

[@FM790]

My Heart breaks for her and I am so relieved that I am not the only one who feels pity for her. So glad you guys brought this sad case up.

[@janethouse1779]

I read in her Wikipedia that she hated being on death row and wanted to die, so then claimed she killed in cold blood (as a way to expedite the execution I believe). Whole thing is terribly sad.

[@angelheart9173]

Thanks Janet. I don’t think you can be a good LEO without compassion. The good ones have it 😊

[@ginabattz9716]

Absolutely.

[@noahandtucker]

Aileen's story is heartbreaking. To have a childhood of horrors, have a baby at 14 and forced to place that baby up for adoption. No one was there for her, her emotional development was never nutured. I am not surprised she snapped and started killing. Although she claims to enjoy the sex, I think sex would have been emotionally painful for her. She is a story where every adult let her down. Not excusing her behaviour but seems as though she was too broken to come back to reality.

[@flowerpower8722]

One good thing was she was forced (by whom, I wonder?) to give the baby up for adoption. Goodness knows what would have happened to the poor thing.

[@martyncraigbrown]

Yeah but... why not Life with out parole. They could have been the first men in her miserable life to give her a chance, albeit behind bars. Non-atheists... still a believer?

[@danielelindsey2213]

@@martyncraigbrown I still believe, not by choice, preference, upbringing, or convenince. By conviction. Likely, same as you. And I often wonder, how do we know what we really believe? I think the actions of loving, moral people show by action their true belief in spite of any intellectual consent otherwise. God is love.

[@FindingMyPath927]

I know it’s an unpopular opinion. But I feel so sorry for her . There is no doubt this woman is so broken . She was let down by everyone .. especially the justice system

[@blueskygal255]

Agreed. A sad story with a tragic ending.

[@hollyhayes9640]

Dude, your opinion is actually extremely popular to people who are familiar with this case. Almost every comment on KZbin is made in her defense.

[@theresaquidi]

Actually, it's a popular opinion. She did not receive justice.

[@gripplehound]

When someone calls a distressed victim of abuse “not human” and refers to them as “it”, it says far more about them than it does the survivor. Stick to reading body language guys, and leave the analysis to the professionals who have done the work on themselves in order to regard others with compassion and understanding.

[@shrewcake1220]

Yes, perfectly said.

[@ginabattz9716]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@coraldawn7201]

I'm a survivor but the ability to win your life back from an emotional& physically abusive relationship is baggage you live with for a very long time

[@martyncraigbrown]

Well put sir! I hope the panel takes note of this comment and others like this before they begin to lose subscribers. This is the first one I have watched from the panel that has left a nasty taste in my mouth. And these comments diminishes confidence/faith in the actual reading because it appears less objective and more based on derision and ridicule, presumably looking for a laugh? I don’t get the motive. So perhaps I should study body language! Maybe *it* will teach me

[@tarawalsh-arpaia3928]

@@martyncraigbrown There is no such expertise recognised in either science or law. These guys are just out to sell their 'merch'. They are qualified in NOTHING. No one should watch them.

[@Whitterswhit]

Thank you Chase for showing some compassion. When I hear stories about horrible things people have done, my next thought is how much trauma and devastation they must have endured. It’s heartbreaking. It doesn’t make what she did ok, but it’s sad all around. I can’t get onboard with “murder is worse than rape” when it comes to a child. That child has been given a life sentence. I don’t know the right answer, but let’s not discredit the impact that has on a person.

[@shrewcake1220]

@AH you do realise that pasting your same comment over and over doesn’t really strengthen your weak argument, right?

[@Whitterswhit]

@@Musiclover-uo2oi I’m not sure your reply was meant for my comment? I didn’t mention having alcoholic parents or compare the two situations.

[@Whitterswhit]

@AH I see your point, but for me, gender doesn’t matter when it comes to childhood trauma. I feel heartbroken for men too.

[@jogrant3851]

@AH Probably because as women, we know what it would take to push us to kill like that. It's not power or control as mostly is for men, it's a lack of all the human needs we require to function. Like shelter, food, protection, friendship, the opportunity to reach our potential, success on reaching our potential. Men kill for different reasons generally and society has influenced them to believe they are the superior sex. Some believe it is true.

[@Korwinexile]

@AH If the society is more understanding towards women-killers, then why didn't she get life in prison?

[@Grace.AlwaysGrace.]

Not defending her actions, but ... childhood abuse changes a person in every aspect of life. The body keeps living but the soul dies, in a manner of speaking.

[@vegan_guac]

True that it changes people, but there are thousands of people who have been abused as children,who don't choose to continue the cycle of abuse

[@MissBeeeBeee]

@@vegan_guac Can you please share the source(s) of this information (i.e., that thousands do not continue the cycle of abuse)?? Is this a summary of findings from peer-reviewed articles (or any other type of article), conjecture, or your opinion?? If there are articles about this that you can share (most notably if they contain statistics of the cycle of abuse), I am interested in reading those.

[@vegan_guac]

@@MissBeeeBeee if you simply looked at the statics of abused and trafficked children vs the serial killer statistics, as one in the video, your common sense and basic reading skills will show you exactly that.

[@vegan_guac]

@@MissBeeeBeee especially numbers of women serial killers that have ever existed are extremely low considering that 1 in 3 women experience abuse. If your little theory was even close to being correct, we'd have 1in 3 serial killers running around.

[@MissBeeeBeee]

@@vegan_guac What????? Sorry, but are you responding to someone else’s comment?? All I asked was for you to share articles that show statistics of what you are talking about. ??????? I am completely confused here.

[@pamelakingwell2155]

If any of the men on this panel was treated like Aileen was since she was a small child. Any one of you would be ANGRY too!

[@reneelibby4885]

they don't get it.

[@tinahansen932]

I always felt awful for Aileen W. She was so beaten down since birth, she was so desperate for love - it is all she ever wanted. When she found love in another woman and was "betrayed" in that love, she snapped. I still have empathy for her. I would be a terrible juror.

[@michellecasey4197]

Tina Hansen; I feel exactly the same way about Aileen, she was just a very young little girl when her grandfather beat her terribly all the time and with her pants down over a chair with a belt, with the kitchen door open for all her friends and neighbors to see, it was horrific for any child to be subjected to, HOW HUMILIATING that poor child, and everyone wonders why she ended up the way she did. And not to mention her looser so called lover Tyra just to save her own ass she threw Aileen under the bus, and Tyra knew she was killing these men but she didn't care as long as she had a roof over her head,food in her belly and all the beer and drugs Aileen paid for her. Tyra did nothing. I'm not saying what Aileen did was in anyway justified, but if you keep kicking a dog since it was a pup and abusing it all its life then throw it out to fend for its self at a very young age, plus in the freezing cold winter, that dog will do anything to survive, now IMAGINE THAT WAS NOT A DOG BUT A LITTLE GIRL, YOUR LITTLE GIRL, or MY LITTLE GIRL that would be so heart breaking cause it was her grandfather that did that to her, after loosing the only mother figure she had which was her grandmother. That's when her grandfather turned on her because he blamed her for her grandmother dying. How sad is that she is already grief stricken and that's what he does to her. There have been so many serial killers that have killed and tortured, eg; Denis Radar(BTK) Richard Ramirez(The Night Stalker), Gary Ridgeway(The Green River Killer) all killed far more innocent people and Aileen killed 7 men. None of those 3 serial killing, torturing demons got the DEATH PENALTY but Aileen did. Now just between those 3 serial killers they killed minimally 70 innocent people, and that's on the low end there was probably 170 between them. How the hell is that fair in any way for poor Aileen killing 7 and she gets the DEATH PENALTY but they don't. I will never understand the justice system and also to let Tyra off with no charges. Aileen only started killing when she met Tyra, because if Aileen didn't bring the money home to support them Tyra would have left her and Tyra was the only person that Aileen thought Tyra loved and Aileen loved her with all her heart. The only other person that Loved Aileen was her brother and he died and that nearly killed her she loved him so much as he was the only one that knew what they suffered all their little lives into Adults. Even he was S..ually Abusing her, but she loved him anyway. I just don't think what she got in life was fair at all in all aspects of her miserable existence! I am thankful for her friend that was there for her right to the bitter end, I apologize for forgetting her friends name but I have not forgotten all you did for her, you truly were special and you scattered her ashes on your beautiful farm that she loved so much and played her favorite song for her and I thank you very much for that dear! You are a true friend! May Aileens Victims R.I.P AND I PRAY FOR THEIR FAMILY AND FRIENDS GOD BE WITH YOU AND YOU LOVED ONES YOU LOST! Aileen may you have found peace you never were givin here on earth with GOD&JESUS AS YOU SO WANTED!!!

[@T.Rex33]

She didn't snap from the betrayal of her girlfriend. Authorities knew Aileen was a serial killer and they used her girlfriend to catch her.

[@tinahansen932]

T Rex Right. That isn't the betrayal, rather her girlfriend knew all of Aileen's weaknesses and she preyed on them; and she preyed on her love for her and her need to be loved and included. She used her and when she didn't get something she wanted she turned on her so that Aileen felt she had to go out and make the money and to keep her, otherwise Ty would leave her. So that's the kind of betrayal I'm talking about, the not returning the love, the using her, the the callous disregard for her deeper feelings of genuine love - she honestly had them to whatever degree that she could, I believe, for Ty. And when that started happening - that betrayal of trust, that betrayal of love, that betrayal of their union and bond, that is when Aileen started killing the men that she was stealing from.

[@MsLambchop]

Oh, my word. You sound like a big fan 😒

[@tll224]

@@MsLambchop you are not a woman are you? a misogynist troll is what you are.

[@tarawalsh-arpaia3928]

OKay, I knew I should avoid this but as a lawyer...and many of your followers have sent me dozens of hate messages because of this... trained as a sex crimes prosecutor in the Attorney General's Office... I have dealt with many,many victims of violent crime. This is also the case in other areas of my professional life and it is MORE, not less, common for a rape victim, say, to describe it as 'he hurt me' or 'when the bad thing was done' etc ad nauseum, than EVER use the graphic words rape or sexual attack. I can count on half a hand at MOST the times that I have ever heard those words used straight out. It is part of their self-protection from the trauma. But the really amazing thing is that you don't already know this. It isn't specialised or something new. I trained in the late 80s and it was commonplace then. It was even more so before then and remains the case to this day. no one likes to describe things that caused them primal humiliation and dehumanisation and violent personal attacks. Even victims of home invasions use 'When It happened.' I mean, working with law enforcement as you claim, they are trained to expect this and to work with it when there are times when we need detail. It is done with impeccable sensitivity. There are people who, decades later still cannot say the words and may never. Nor do they have to. WE who actually work with them get it. Men, who taught me, and women.

[@tarawalsh-arpaia3928]

@@lechenaultia5863 NNNNNOOOOOOOOO!!!!! The exact opposite. They are taking issue with her wording but in my professional experience, and even most people are aware of this. Victims use what I call 'side-words' to describe what happened to them. I was expressing real shock that these men are so out of touch with this given their claims of professional experience in the areas in question. I can't, off the top of my head, recall, in the many hundreds of cases I have dealt with, a victim, especially of sexual abuse, using the words 'I was raped, I was sodomised etc.' They may refer to 'When he hurt me' or 'When IT happened' etc. It is a long familiar defense mechanism against extreme pain and we never, EVER push them beyond that. If it ends up in Court they may have to give a degree of detail or even in the original police report, which is generally handled very carefully these days. It used to be, before my time and that is a LONG time ago, that police officers couldn't believe or understand cases where a victim showed what we now know to be signs of trauma. I know a lot of law enforcement and if they heard these goons pretending to have such experience describing her 'side-words' as evidence of deceit (in their benighted views) they would probably break my laptop to keep me off such nonsense sites. But I see them as doing REAL harm, real damage to people who think they are anything more than a few guys hawking their books based on an 'expertise' that is neither scientifically nor legally recognised. Anywhere. I knew I should avoid them on her case and I could only bear a part of it before it just sickened me. The damage that does to victims now who think they will be looked at and treated like these fools will cause them not to seek professional help. They are dangerous and should be stopped. YES, Aileen Wuornos was sexually abused for her whole life. That Greg called this a circus is an insult. It's abuse as anyone with law enforcement experience would know! It was criminal abuse then and it is now. Not a circus. She was also abandoned, brutally beaten, she has a diagnosis of Complex PTSD. But that one family made a protest that the man in question would NEVER go to a prostitute and, in order to mollify them (and we can sympathise with them of course) was at the heart of that legal action. Sorry for going on all day. This case is sensitive to me.

[@BuddhatheRockstar]

Your right getting the words out about childhood trauma is extremely difficult if not, impossible. TY

[@ekaterinaraykova2011]

This video struck me with a total lack of empathy and deep misogyny in some of the experts... For instance, Scott Rouse being deeply irritated by Wuornos appealing to the wives, confronting them with the fact that their husbands were rapists - he even reproaches Wuornos of having no empathy... It broke my heart watching this. While the men were exchanging occasional laughs now and again... No one becomes a prostitute on their own choice. There are no prostitutes, there are prostituted women. I wish this video could start an intense dialogue in the society about the terrible crimes men are allowed to indulge in, being "covered" by the public shaming of prostituted women, deprived from almost any rights and protection, not being offered an adequate re-sociolizing program to get out of this most destructive "industry". I also wish the behavior panel would make a serios research about the crimes p*rn idustry surmounts and encourages in men. And, Mark Bowden, there are no 'peaceful bystanders' - there are indifferent and cruel people. And speaking of the danger of dictatorship, Mark, you think you've learn something from the history of the 20th century, but no obviously you did not, because what can be more dictating, entitled, arrogant and heartless, as to say "she shouldn't have been doing any thing else that the work she was doing" - i can not believe i've just heard it...

[@kyliebaby1391]

How about she was saying to the wives rightly or wrongly “I saved you from the abuse of these men. If they were looking for me they were already hurting you morally or physically.” Just a thought.

[@shrapnel77]

"There are no prostitutes, there are prostituted women." Sheesh, the gaslighting.

[@ginabattz9716]

So many of us were repulsed by the horrible comments made.

[@johannas.l.brushane2518]

Interesting in a way about the view on prostitutes. Recently in Sweden the authorities caught a number of men from US navy stationed on a ship that was in harbour in Sweden and they were interrogated by Swedish mp (military police) for having taking prostitutes from Ukraine on board on the ship. Soliciting prostitutes is a crime in Sweden, moreover these are usually refugees originally. And it's quite a reckless thing to do, especially in these times, and they are here because one of the agressor in an armed conflict share the water with Sweden and some of their allies in NATO.

[@joebarracuda6038]

Don't be naive, there absolutely are Woman that will prostitute themselves voluntarily, to make money. I'm not talking about street walkers, but high level Escorts, you can even count Porn "Actresses". Of course thats completely different from this case, i honestly feel very sorry for this woman, her childhood must have been horrible!

[@vessela7484]

It's funny how people just say she "had" a baby at 14. Doesn't that mean that some guy out there had sex with a 13 year old girl? How about we try to find that guy? She didntjust miraculously spawn.

[@bobnoble9442]

one of the guys that raped her are her brother. she had a shitty life.

[@nikkirogers5991]

Great point.

[@josiecx]

Mark said "if she had power". That's what you don't understand, she didn't have power and had never had power throughout her whole life and that is why she is what she is or was. Just trying to find ownership of her life and self with little understanding of how the world works.

[@sallyforaker4179]

I was listening to the glib tone that was taken at times while discussing her. It angered and saddened me. I was so thankful when Chase spoke a bit of what she’d been through. We ALL failed her.

[@ragingzim]

Seems a misstep here. AW was trauma in a human body, with fully dissolved mental health at life’s end. That should fully inform reading her behaviours.

[@flawedplan]

You win the thread. So well-spoken. The best comments usually end up buried, which is why I read all 3,600.

[@ragingzim]

@@flawedplan 😊 thank you.

[@something-beautiful]

Did abit of research on Aileen before watching this. She had a terrible childhood full of abuse and betrayal by the people who should have protected her. She used the only skill she thought she had, to make a living, and it appears that this is what she is proud of. She more or less begged to be given the death penalty as she was so done with it all. I’m not saying Aileen killing those men was justified. I’m saying that she shouldn’t be dehumanised now as she was during her childhood.

[@hannahmitchell87]

Something about her final confession clip didn't sit right with me. My gut says she was acting in self defense but maybe I'm wrong. Chase & Greg, thank you for compassionately understanding how Eileen's childhood shaped her but "it", Scott?

[@tammysquire6992]

I agree with you completely, I just think that her perception of the danger she was in was massively skewed because of her awful childhood. I believe she was told to say what she said in the later videos, because she wanted the death penalty and she had been saying all these crazy things for years which would more likely lead to an institute rather than death row. I think that's why it doesn't sit right. She is saying whatever it takes for it to be over, which is pretty heartbreaking imo. I honestly dont know how anyone can not feel compassion for this lady.

[@jogrant3851]

@@weirdloverwilde Yes, you are so right. Oh god, that is so sad :(

[@HadAHandle123]

There have been some very interesting feminist studies on Aileen. I encourage people to do some research. No one condones what she did, but the incredible damage she suffered and watched other women suffer at the hands of men I think separates her from the male serial killer. Male serial killers often have "mommy issues", but rarely suffered rapes and beatings by women - it's most often men who do these things. It's an interesting comparison.

[@sabrinajacobs8743]

Indeed. Scott is coming off very tone deaf in calling her "it". There are those who deserve to be called that, but Aileen's case is the exception.

[@HadAHandle123]

@@sabrinajacobs8743 Good call. I've watched many of BP videos - I don't think I've heard Scott call anyone "It" until now. Interesting it would be chosen for a woman serial killer. I think that's what the feminist studies and literature are about in this particular case; that men killing women is kinda par for the course, whereas when the tables are turned, it's beyond, beyond, beyond grotesque. I think these guys are facinating. I enjoy the respectful dialogue they share. However, I always take a minute to think - when it's a bunch of dudes talking about a woman's experience. Like, ah, hold on a sec... :)

[@amaniahmed5481]

This makes sense when it comes to the panel. They are all experts in their field, but I think the thing that escapes them is that they are not experts in certain people, especially women, who they don’t usually encounter in their line of work. For example, they REALLY missed the clear domestic violence in Gabby Petito’s case and concluded Brian was the victim. At least 90% of the panelists, including myself, could see how much they missed the mark on that one. This is why this case also eludes them.

[@dawnb1063]

@@HadAHandle123 Well....The behavior panel doesn't discuss the experience of women, they discuss the body language of an individual. There are documentaries, and even movies, about the famous killers, like this one, if you want to try to delve into the story arc of why, etc. The BP discusses the body language of an individual and uses their knowledge and experience to draw conclusions. Occasionally, they give their personal opinion on their channel, like you are giving your personal opinion in their comment section. You're gonna have a tough time if you're looking to find your personal experience in feminist literary theory- as women, like men, are individuals- not a monolithic block of uniform experiences.

[@dawnb1063]

@@starquant That's not ironic. And add to that, if, as you suggest, we are all tarred by the gender brush, so too are we all tarred by multiple other brushes- none of which means we cannot tell when 2 plus 2 equals 4...though we might get to 4 in different ways and because of different reasons.

[@juliejacobs2151]

The comment about the males may or may not have been bad people astounds me. When a person purchases another person it automatically tells me they are a bad person. This woman was abused by men her whole life. Maybe we need to look at men who buy other humans for sex in our society. Why do men do this. This poor woman became who she is from years of abuse. The men that bought her for sex are just as evil as she was. Why isn't anyone acknowledging that?

[@gripplehound]

I’m acknowledging this in my comments and completely agree with you Julie. We’re not going to get that perspective from 4 men though eh???

[@stacyjaye6350]

They literally threw her out of the house when she was like 13, and she lived in the woods outside in Michigan, in the suburb next to the one I'm from. That's how she got to Florida, from freezing sleeping outside. Her story was beyond sad. Not excusing her, sorry for the victims. Don't come at me peeps.

[@gripplehound]

@@stacyjaye6350 She’s an abuse survivor who got angry and they’re calling her an “it”. It’s revolting language. You can imagine them blaming a woman for getting raped because her skirt was too short. Woeful lack of awareness from them.

[@binniparis8024]

I feel compassion for her, I grew up in orphanages and most of the kids I knew are dead, in rehabs or jail. Over 90% of prostitutes have been sexually abused and act out their abuse. I got into a 12step programme and that gave me a map, first chance at life. I hope her suffering is over. When your raised that way the true self must die and a false, survival self is born. She didn't kill all her 'tricks' and I understand that she thought she was protecting others by killing violent men. Xx

[@binniparis8024]

Scott - rape is murder, part of you dies that can never be reclaimed. A spiritual, psychological murder that you relive and relive, in your dreams, for the rest of your life. Xx

[@ItsMeNanaD71]

Her life story is truly heartbreaking

[@jessethepersiankitty2377]

Very.

[@beck713]

Mark: [describes how Wuornos used language to dehumanize her victims so that she could justify hurting and killing them without any pity or remorse] Scott, 10 mins earlier: “She’s trying to be like a human … I’m going to refer to her as ‘it’ because there’s nobody in there, it’s just a body running around.” Shocking lack of empathy on Scott's part here. Of course the extreme abuse Aileen suffered throughout her life doesn't excuse her killings, but it does make her a victim who deserved compassion too. She should have been placed in a mental institution and given treatment for her trauma; what she got was a lethal injection. The criminal justice system, the media, and everyone around Aileen failed her in life, and callous, unnuanced coverage like this continues to fail her in death.

[@translatortranslator3818]

Thank you. With the exception of Chase, these men have so little empathy, it's disturbing. What happens to women who don't defend themselves? They get murdered. Every. Single. Day. Prostitution is incredibly dangerous. Out of probably thousands of men over 20 years, yes, I believe at least 7 tried to rape her. How was that not self defense? I've watches many of their videos and they come off as misogynists far too often. They seem to reserve their empathy only for men. To see these guys sit around and call her "it" - Jesus, who's the psychopath?

[@LaureninGermany]

I am so glad to see these comments. How dare he? Who does he think he is to judge her as not a human being. I have large gestures, I use my forehead a lot and I get angry. But i am not less than human, I‘m just passionate. Has this man ever met an Italian? Are they fake, too?

[@DachiaTheDogMom]

That was regrettable... This episode was difficult to watch because of what seemed like mixed messages and dismissive attitudes that I don't think I've seen before (with them). I had no knowledge of this case before I watched, and saw very different things than they did. I still trust their judgment and opinion and experience... but this one left a bad taste.

[@SavedByJesusHeimatLiebe]

​@@translatortranslator3818 remember Abu Ghraib? also they miserably failed Gabi Pettito (Rest in Peace Angel) as well. And with that all Women who were ever abused. Plus the Irony and Hypcricy of some crazy Narc Leader and his Croonies attacking so many Souvereign Countries, killing innocent Civilians and Children left and right now judging a Child Rape Victim Survivour who defended herself against Violent Johns who were the actual Monster. Find the Mistake.

[@leonslionessnz6948]

@@translatortranslator3818 Indeed. Men do not know what it is like to be a woman. Whenever we go out we have to be on our guard when walking alone. If we have to walk through a secluded area and a man approaches from the opposite direction we immediately size them up discerning whether they mean us harm getting ready to fight or flee. We do not like men walking up behind us this makes us feel even more vulnerable and we are prepared for the grab from behind stepping to the side to remove ourselves from the possibility. Men do not have to prepare themselves for danger in the way women have to.

[@amygodward4472]

Every woman I know has met one of "those" men that are just downright aggressive and scary. I have personally had a couple of instances in my life were I had to physically fight or think on my feet to get out of danger from men. I am very prudent and don't sleep around / put myself in situations where I'm alone with a man I am not in a relationship with. Yet I've been harrassed at the bus stop, nearly abducted at a train station, beaten and abused by boyfriends.... The thing that is scary about Eileen is being faced with a woman who has had the worst experience of humanity (and men, in particular) and just SNAPPED. The system failed her at every turn and when the justice system is absent, vigilantism becomes rife - is it really a surprise, then, that this woman, who was abused her whole life, responded violently and became drunk on the vengeance?

[@sharonunfiltered]

I read biographies on her life and it made me cry. She was a tragic lost soul and completely lost the plot. I feel so anyway. She's full of vigilante rage. The film Monster was really good however I've never felt comfortable referring to anyone as a monster. People do monstrous things.

[@danielelindsey2213]

I'm only13 minutes in...my primary reaction so far is visceral. I feel so sorry for this woman. The men seem to have no compassion. Sexual abuse and severe neglect from an early age have, to me, caused a contortion in her psyche, the deviation of such becoming more pronounced as time goes on. Then again, I am a victim of similar abuse so my perspective contains elements which perhaps are not readily available or familiar to someone else. Makes me question my own self, that my reaction contrasts so strongly with these normal men.

[@DorothyMNeddermeyerPhD]

Daniele Lindsey: Society does not recognize the CAUSE of any dysfunctional behavior. CHILDHOOD TRAUMA IS PERHAPS THE MOST AVOIDED, IGNORED, BELITTLED, DENIED, MISUNDERSTOOD, AND UNTREATED CAUSE OF HUMAN SUFFERING. Childhood trauma is the result of anything that compels a child to feel helpless, hopeless or disrupts their sense of safety and security, including sexual, physical, or verbal abuse; domestic violence; an unstable or unsafe environment; separation from a parent; neglect; bullying; serious illness; or intrusive medical procedures.

[@difidon]

I am sorry for what you went through, but at least you didn't go around killing people as a result. She may have been a victim at some point, but but anymore. Sorry, but I have zero sympathy. Hold her accountable for what she did.

[@DorothyMNeddermeyerPhD]

@@difidon AND hold all the people who abused her as a child. NO one is born to be a killer or a Serial Killer. Childhood trauma is the result of anything that compels a child to feel helpless, hopeless or disrupts their sense of safety and security, including sexual, physical, or verbal abuse; domestic violence; an unstable or unsafe environment; separation from a parent; neglect; bullying; serious illness; or intrusive medical procedures. CHILDHOOD TRAUMA IS PERHAPS THE MOST AVOIDED, IGNORED, BELITTLED, DENIED, MISUNDERSTOOD, AND UNTREATED CAUSE OF HUMAN DISTRESS, AND SUFFERING.

[@difidon]

@@DorothyMNeddermeyerPhD so at what point would you have any sympathy for the people she killed? You're so busy defending her as though she didn't leave a trail of blood. Maybe in your view its okay to kill men, for soliciting?

[@DorothyMNeddermeyerPhD]

@@difidon What prompts you to believe I don't have empathy for the people she killed? I have empathy for everyone. However, the interview is about Aileen Wuornos's experiences, thought processes, and actions. No one was born a serial killer. No one was born to murder people. Who harmed her explains why she would do such a thing. She was repeatedly sexually assaulted by her father. And maybe also physically assaulted. In either or if both cases were her experience she was mentally and emotionally assaulted and harmed. Sexual and physical assault are mind, body, and spirit boundary violations. These facts do not condone her behavior, it explains her behavior. I assist both perpetrators and survivors to transform and transmute the cause of their behavior to assist them to reclaim the person they were born to be.

[@sallyfeschuk5771]

She was abused and terrorized from the time she could walk. Aileen wasn't a monster. She was heartbreakingly broken. And I'm pretty sure she developed that tough exterior because she had to. Psychopaths typically don't feel shame; if she truly felt no shame she wouldn't have made such an effort to hide her murders from her partner. Imo but if indeed she was a psychopath, she wasn't born one.

[@charissa6648]

Respectfully, she was a monster, because she felt shame and knew what she was doing was evil. There is no justification for the depravity of her actions. I know people whose lives would make hers look like Disneyland. I am serious. They never became serial killers or ended the lives of 7 men. She had an opportunity to fight the real abuser her grandfather, and turn him in. Instead, she became worse than the monster who helped create her. Her lack of regard for human life is utterly despicable! She is manipulative and attempting to justify why she is a cold blooded murderer.

[@sallyfeschuk5771]

@@charissa6648 in the 70s girls didn't just turn their abusers in, esp when the abusers were their fathers and grandfathers. Respectfully keep in mind that two of the men she killed had viciously raped and tortured her. In those days prostitutes were considered to be the lowest off the low. They didn't have titles like sex worker the way they do today. And I agree with one thing she said: rape is (sometimes sic) worse than murder. It's the killing of one's soul and heart. Those men had no business raping. Sorry but I have no sympathy for rapists. None

[@coraldawn7201]

I saw a softer side of Aileen. She's just not going to let her guard down for no one. Not Even Maybe!! If she does she probably thinks she'll shatter that could never happen to her its a shame when a person can't be happy sleeping with 1 eye open, (as the saying goes)

[@coraldawn7201]

What's really despisingly & utterly wicked is these men were her targets because of her childhood background. Nowadays there is so much mental health out there.

[@dynodon331]

@@coraldawn7201 Perchance you mean mental illness, not mental health. If only there were "so much mental health..."

[@gordonbrown3489]

Behavior Panel, you got this one completely wrong, as you frequently do when analysing females. In this case it would have paid to do your research. Aileen at this point in her life was determined to die and had pleaded with them to execute her but they would not, as long as 'self-defence' was on the table. She eventually realised that the only way she could get the execution she longed for was to back-track on the self-defence story she had told from the start - which was the truth. At the hands of various violent johns over the years, I'm sure the bar became lowered over time in her mind regarding what constituted a threat to her life, and a lifetime of abuse played its part, or course. Also - SCOTT: to refer to any human being as "it" dehumanises you in that moment - not them.

[@karinsykes3900]

Yes, thankyou. I'm sitting here in Australia full of disgust for these four men who call themselves experts. They have no idea what it is like for a child to be violated by an adult, especially if it is a trusted adult in your life. And you better believe it's evil!!!!!!!!!

[@krisstewart7926]

Panel please consider adding Dr Ramani or another woman when analyzing a woman. Optics not good here.

[@Vmurph]

@@krisstewart7926 Why would they have a therapist on a video about body language? You’re confusing body language with psychology.

[@gripplehound]

@@Vmurph Because they are citing psychological theory. Maybe they should stick to body language??

[@gripplehound]

Agree. Their comments are abhorrent.

[@angelayurich2286]

No one showed her love or feelings. Or treated her like a human. I pray she RIP.🙏

[@sheripaisley5263]

Aileen had so much trauma from day one. I’m not sure how anyone could have normal development after that. The DSM-5 doesn’t even include C-PTSD yet. They need that plus a category for killers who had severe trauma in formative years. I know it doesn’t excuse murder or behaviour that causes harm. It does seem like important information. Thank you for underscoring her horrific life/past. No one deserves that. How would a child even have a chance? It’s so great Chase talked about dissociation and childhood trauma. The mention of her having the mentality of a three year old is important too imo re: age regression. She’s incongruent and it seems like she’s a psychological montage of past and present and future projection based on past. Like if 3 films were playing over top of each other at the same time: past, present & future anticipation.

[@amywill9185]

Excellent, yes!

[@gripplehound]

Trauma doesn’t need pathologising by the DSM, it will only tell her she is ‘disordered’, which I feel is victim blaming and just retraumatising.

[@reneelibby4885]

I think C PTSD should be in there because there are some significant differences from PTSD and currently if you really have c PTSD your DX is PTSD and it's not entirely accurate. Not really sure why it's so much easier to understand possibly one huge traumatic event but not years of emotional and physical torture...

[@xmushab0m]

Some of Scott's remarks rubbed me the wrong way. We all know she's a killer and what's done is done.. but an unbiased yet empathetic sight is always a pleasure to hear, i personally liked Greg and Chase input

[@jn5859]

There were enough iffy comments from Scott that I legitimately started to wonder if he felt like he would qualify as one of her targets and was reacting accordingly. And the complete lack of understanding of how devastating life as an R victim would be is a huge red flag. There’s also a special kind of irony when he talks about her using dehumanization to justify attacking people…. And then he does exactly that with verbal attacks.

[@xmushab0m]

@@jn5859 yeah i agree, i also got the impression he was oddly dehumanazing towards her, I've seen their analysis on other serial killers and I don't think he went out of his way to call them "it".

[@jn5859]

@@GracieTodd I’m referring to the part where he couldn’t possibly comprehend why she would view the r word as more sinister than the m word. Obviously, it’s because the amount of suffering the victim experiences after the crime is very different. In no universe am I saying her crimes were justified. Don’t put words in my mouth. And yes- men and women should be treated equally. So please point out where Scott went out of his way to call a man “it”. I’ll wait.

[@victoriaanderton2393]

This woman has paid for her crimes. You can't hang anyone twice. It's not right to call another person IT. Darlie Routier's killed two of her own and she is a woman. Not a very good one. Any other mother would have dived on their child to protect them.

[@victoriaanderton2393]

@@jn5859 I hope if you're a victim you begin to heal. It affects every cell within you knowing that persons bastard DNA is very hard to purge xx

[@Jinxi928]

Calling her "it" was disgusting.. didn't expect that when you want to portray yourself as neutral

[@shrewcake1220]

Also Scott’s endless focus on her pathology. Yes we get it, Rouse, you are sickened by cluster B personality disorders. Perhaps you could look a little deeper into the causes and intersections between trauma, poverty, neglect and violence to inform your comments rather than continue this one-note dehumanisation.

[@ginabattz9716]

Absolutely agree. This was pretty messed up.

[@SavedByJesusHeimatLiebe]

@@shrewcake1220 true face

[@ciadella1971]

She had nobody to protect her since day one. Its like everyone in her life did her wrong. Unfortunately she had no chance for a normal, peaceful life. Sad.

[@pammyt360]

Agree with Chase on this one completely, especially about those loops we live in from childhood. This woman is a very complex case.

[@tinatanberk8509]

Maybe the "moral" of the story is that men shouldn´t pick up prostitutes? Like my granny used to say, "if you sleep with rats, do not wonder if you get bitten." Of course, however, the men did not deserve too be killed, just maybe have used better judgement.

[@MizzJanis]

Oooh, yes good idea! Just like for example telling women not to dress in a sexy way. The moral is that that’s why they get raped. Oh no wait, that’s sexist

[@jn5859]

When Scott can’t figure out why she sees the r word as worse than the m word- Easy. It’s because she knows what it’s like to experience the r word and she knows how much havoc it caused in her life. She doesn’t have a ton of empathy, but she does have the capacity to access her own emotional experiences, and that’s the measure she’s using here. The r word is what caused her more pain, personally. She’s never experienced being a victim of the M word. She just assumes if that happens, everything goes quiet. The effects of the R word persisted every day of her life.

[@catc6012]

I had the exact same thought yesterday and almost posted it! Needless to say, I think its a good theory.

[@markeywestskies6503]

I would rather be R (especially if she was someone I found attractive like, say...Gal Gadot) than M by her.

[@jn5859]

@@markeywestskies6503 Gross, bro. Way to be tone-deaf.

[@catc6012]

@@markeywestskies6503 lol this just became a game of “would you rather” …

[@catc6012]

@@markeywestskies6503 Gal Gadot is super hot

[@erickab8533]

I’ve always felt so sorry for Aileen wournos after learning her story. This woman went through a living hell from the moment she came into this world until the day she left .

[@dongatello6969]

I haven’t, many people experience trauma throughout their childhoods and very rarely do they become like this. Trauma is no excuse for murder.

[@mvv700]

​@@dongatello6969 Of course it's not. But I feel more empathy for someone like her who went through what she went through and felt reason to do what she did. Definitely because it's highly likely (I think) that the guys did try to come onto her violently. There's a ton of prostitutes in countries (where it's legal) with a call for more protection as these things do happen much more than they should. Now imagine where it's illegal and a prostitute essentially can't go to the police to report a crime. Rapists feel pretty safe to take advantage of less fortunate women that take to the streets. And I don't feel much empathy for the men she killed IF they really tried to rape her. Is it wrong? Yep. But understandable. It's the same as if someone kills your child horrifically and you go out of your way to kill the killer. Is it wrong? Yep. But understandable. Either way I'm pretty neutral on this case since I don't know too much about it apart from what I read in the comments. For me it's simple, if she speaks truth I can feel empathy regardless of the lives she took psychopath or not. Otherwise nope.

[@dongatello6969]

@@mvv700 I don’t think it’s at all the same as a parent going after someone who did something awful to their child. Guess we just have different takes.

[@Farrrziif]

Let’s not refer anyone as IT, thank you,

[@edg4119]

Dehumanizing others is a characteristic of psychopathology, I believe. Kind of ironic.

[@edg4119]

@Feed My Lambs Never said it was. Obvs you don't do irony.

[@EpiicxFuziion]

Men attacking her again. The poor woman was seriously mentally ill

[@samanthaconn3895]

This is the only serial killer I've ever felt bad for. She had a sickening childhood with regular brutal beatings and forced incestuous relationships with her grandfather and brother whom she actually sickeningly fell in love with her brother, sick I know, and he died very young. She was literally left to sleep in the snow, no one would take her in out of the Michigan cold winters, even if it cost her her life. She moved to Florida, started hooking, got almost killed by a John one night, killed him out of self defense and something in her SNAPPED. I'm NOT condoning what she did, but from the moment she was born till the day she died, she was rejected by every person she pretty much ever came in contact with from the moment her eyes open to the moment they shut.

[@nikkiplatt316]

I think Mallory really did rape her. I think that’s when she snapped. After all she had been through, can you imagine continuing her regular “ hooking?”… she figured out it was easier to shoot and take their money. She justified it in her mind. She believed she was innocent. Due to mental status she should’ve gotten life without parole and I’m all for death penalty.

[@justme-fw2ti]

Go and read about topics like incest and Stockholm syndrome then you'll know for next time

[@justme-fw2ti]

Great comment

[@CerbreusSleeps]

I love how Chase brings humanity back into the conversation in an intelligent way. Despite the horrible person they would become recognizing the pain is important.

[@sophine7189]

That's what I love about Chase! He sees things differently and truthfully and not personally. Some of their opinions are off to me. When she explains she left the man who tide her up better than she would have left her, I believe it. He was going to do worse to her and she beat him to it. I absolutely wish someone would have saved her as a baby. Held her tight and showed her unconditional love. She NEVER felt that. I believe if all those men would have been home with their wives or was doing the right thing by protecting and treating women and girls with love and respect, they wouldn't have been killed.

[@flawedplan]

Not your best work, guys. Mark's take on this woman's phenomenology is frightful. A politician's Machiavellian will to power? Come on, it's not like her tragic and inevitable trajectory wasn't spelled out for all to see from day one.

[@helenpierce-lamoureux3124]

SO SAD! I WISH I COULD HAVE MET HER to GIVE her kindness!

[@thefeays]

For a truly heartbreaking experience, cover the left half of her face (right side as you're looking at it), then switch. One side carries all the pugnacity (she actually looks puck-ish!), swagger and fight that kept her alive, and the other side..... the utter mute desolation. I've rarely seen a face with such sharp asymmetry. I can't stop looking

[@TheMeasuredSwan]

Wow, good spot!

[@seekthtruth]

Wow bizarre for sure

[@thefeays]

And here's the kicker, for me: at first glance, the fighter side looked scarier, but as I kept switching back and forth, I could see the cold emptiness in her left side. I think the humanity was brutalized right out of her

[@donnajocatlady3839]

One of the more broken people. Very heartbreaking that she wasn't loved growing up.

[@oceanside88]

Many have this split. It's very sad.

[@extreme-cm8hb]

I also feel r*pe & p*dophilia is much worse than murder. The r&p victim has to live the rest of their lives in immense emotional, mental, & psychological pain that destroys their lives, their ability to trust, among so many other things. With murder, the primary victim no longer has to cope with whatever happened to them in the process, therefore they don't have to go through decades of severe pain and dysfunction in their lives. Although I'm, in no way, saying that murder isn't without its own victims (family, friends, etc.). My focus is on the emotional impact of the victim itself.

[@Diordreams.]

I’ve watched a lot of documentaries about Eileen and read a couple of books. She was a very complex women who had an appalling life. Abused almost from birth which caused all kinds of mental health issues. Her dad made her pregnant at 14!! Her life was tragic. She truly believed she did no wrong. Such a bad situation.

[@robynroper-waskow1469]

Excellent episode gentlemen. This truly is a sad case. I am an RN and spent the majority of my 20+ years working in labor and delivery. I wish I had a nickel for every hour of sleep I lost feeling like I sent a perfectly made, clean canvas home knowing that it would be destroyed. It's heartbreaking that she suffered so much that she became the monster that built her. I am grateful for our justice system but I sure do wish there were a system to protect those sweet little babies from leaving the hospital with parents who turn kids into this.

[@deeh5126]

"feeling like I sent a perfectly made, clean canvas home knowing that it would be destroyed" I must admit, I have never thought about this side of working in L&D. That is so heartbreaking, but so so true. Generational trauma becomes very easy to spot with a little education, and you no doubt see the new victims come into the world and be carried off to the place where they should be loved, cared for and shaped in positive ways, but it far too often doesn't work that way. The more I educate myself about trauma, the more I feel like there has got to be something, no matter how small, to help people know that they can turn around and not keep following the patterns of destruction that they grew up witnessing.

[@tammysquire6992]

I read a book about Aileen in the late '90's, and how she grew up/interviews with childhood friends etc and i just had so much empathy for her. Her childhood trauma became the way she scratched a living, the most obvious profession for her to fall into. Her brain had to find a coping mechanism, a way to make reliving her childhood trauma on a daily basis bearable. I knew someone once who reminded me of Aileen, the way she spoke about the men....she hated them with a passion, she was reliving her childhood trauma several times a day and having to pretend to enjoy it. My friend had chosen drugs as her way to cope, and I was too young to know how to help her beyond listening to her talk. If you cant walk away and you're not numbing it with hard drugs or dealing with it in therapy, then gaining control as Aileen did may seem like the only other option. Deceiving herself that she had chosen this and she calls the shots, believing the people around her are her chosen friends, fake enjoying time with the men. I think this is called cognitive dissonance? It's a ticking time bomb in my opinion - something has to give. Or realities get so distorted that you seem crazy to others. Or you overdose. When you believe, as Aileen clearly did, that her trauma was far more devastating to her than death.....that was never going to end well. The second set of interviews was (I believe) after years of her ranting getting more extreme, and she had been saying for a while that she wanted to die. I suspect that a lawyer told her that the way she was acting, she would more likely end up in an institute. If she wanted the death sentence, the best thing she could do would be to admit to cold blooded murder and retract that stuff from years before where she was blaming the families. And that's pretty much what she did in this interview. Going to prison released Aileen from the spiral she was in, and there must have been a point where she started to recognise her own madness. It must be so hard to let go of the belief that you were justified in your actions.....I think this may have been the point she wanted the death sentence and this interview. I think she accidentally overdid the callous killer 'biz' at the time. Her dismissal of earlier interviews was really overdone, like she always had sound mind, but she was doin' the 'lyin biz' to try to play the system. I think when she was asked about the families, and her previous accusations against victims, what I think we saw was a script from her lawyer, but also actual remorse for the things she had said and done. She had on a facade in this interview, that much is obvious, and I feel like it slipped when asked these questions because the responses she was told to give were honest, it's just that her emotion hadn't switched on quite soon enough from behind the facade. It reminded me of times I've replied 'I love you' to my partner and it sounds all flat like it's just words, so i have to repeat it with meaning (because I actually do love him), but then it sounds weirdly forced haha! But that's what i saw on her face in the later interview. I am not an expert in anything though so what do I know hah! But if anyone is reading this (it's taken me an hour, I'm not deleting it now!) Can I ask....if I can empathise with a psychopath, and rationalize their actions.....does this make me also a psychopath? :/

[@tammysquire6992]

*asking for a friend

[@hasnakhanom2313]

Having empathy doesn’t make you a psycho. People need to remember hate the sin not the sinner. That poor woman suffered so much and the men she killed were not innocent people. Not that she had the right to take their life but I feel sorry for her more than upset.

[@nancykakoyannis4669]

That doesn’t make you a psychopath, it makes you very empathic… which from my understanding is the opposite of a psychopath who really can’t empathize with others’ pain. It really is heartbreaking to see how damaged and broken people can become from child abuse. We need to protect children and stop the cycle of abuse that only leads to more suffering and violence. Keep your loving empathic spirit and use it to help someone. (But also be super cautious to be safe…)

[@TASmith-ou3is]

I empathize with her as well. She had such a horrendous life. I think she probably was raped by some of her "johns" and wanted revenge on men in general. I also pray she is at peace now.

[@jogrant3851]

No it doesn't. You are very empathetic and if the world had more people like you in it, then be be far less Aileen's killing people, because you'd have seen she needed help.

[@lanoel4585]

Yeesh Scott - you're calling her "It"? Astonished by such de-humanization. Which is probably how so many johns thought of her too, as they used her. At the very least, she is a human, even with a very-messed-up-wired brain, and as Greg says and Chase understands, suffered an "horrific life". I recently wrote a critique of the BP, i.e. that some aspects of 'women' seem kinda elusive at times... so having a female BL-analyst - as a regular guest - would add valuable dimension.

[@amaniahmed5481]

I completely agree with you. The “it” comment made me cringe. They are all experts in their field, but I think the thing that escapes them is that they are not experts in certain people, especially women, who they don’t usually encounter in their line of work. For example, they REALLY missed the clear domestic violence in Gabby Petito’s case and concluded Brian was the victim. At least 90% of the panelists, including myself, could see how much they missed the mark on that one. This is why this case also eludes them.

[@tarawalsh-arpaia3928]

@@amaniahmed5481 These men are not experts in anything that is either scientifically or legally recognised. It's like reading tarot cards.

[@shannawynn7493]

What Mark is saying at around 40: 12 is completely wrong. What she was saying was the amount of men she interacted with increased her exposure to rapists because of the odds! The more men you're around, the greater the chance of encountering rapists. I don't understand how he got that so wrong, unless he wasn't listening.

[@PanzyMistress]

Thank you for pointing that out! I was confused by Mark's misunderstanding, and that no one else corrected him! I refuse to believe men and women communicate on completely different levels.

[@joyciejd9673]

What she did (murders) was horrific and unforgivable. That said, given the awful abusive and neglectful upbringing she had along with the leeches, that girlfriend; that awful Attorney and the creature who “adopted” her; who all attached themselves cause me to feel sorry for her. It is so very sad. All of it.

[@virginiawallace4402]

She needed help long before she came to this. She needed love.

[@dw3403]

Not sure I want to hear men say rape is not as bad as murder. It sounds like she justified killing and took revenge for a seven year old who was raped. In her mind I think she was finally able to defend herself and do what nobody did for her. A defenseless child who could not fight off her attacker and was rendered powerless and unable to be heard, believed or helped. She lived those years with those memories. Scared for life but expected to be a certain way and fully functioning. Shake it off girl, at least your alive. Nope, doesn't work for me.

[@GinaWelsh]

I agree. I think these guys are amazing but not having a woman on the panel means they lack a woman’s perspective and an understanding of what life is like for women. Rape causes lifelong and often intergenerational trauma, and prostitutes have, especially back then but even now, a higher likelihood of being raped and murdered than most other people. Plus it’s less likely that the justice system will take it seriously when it happens. It’s entirely likely that all these men harmed her first and she conquered them.

[@shellxalba2184]

You guys need to stop trying to analyze traumatised women. You don't get it and you never will because you are all too arrogant when it comes to these women.

[@moniquelefebvre4798]

agree

[@BuddhatheRockstar]

Flexing the male EGO.

[@Jinxi928]

Agree... There were so much more accepting and forgiving with guys like Ramirez or Watts

[@ginas6440]

Watching this women makes me feel profoundly sad, unlike how I feel when watching other perpetrators on this show. She was a very damaged, abused person who, in my opinion , just went off the rails. Very sad all the way around for her and her victims.

[@Puppynutter123]

It’s apparent that some of the panelists have less of an ability to relate to abuse, abuse that goes past your average abusive father uncle and an unavailable mother. Honestly, I’d find it more shocking had Aileen not become a killer. To her it must have seemed a kill or be killed jungle, take what you can when you can. Horrid choices, but how would she make good choices, never having seen any being made on her behalf or for her and see the effects. You stick with what you can know for the most part. Hence how do many choose the very type of abuser so many try to get away from. The insensitivity of this panel to what has made Aileen is surprising and a major disappointment. I thought this group of experts would have done better on that point.

[@kayleeseuss9615]

Please remember that the panel’s job isn’t to justify or disqualify why the subject did their crime or why they made certain choices, they are here to simply point out displays of deception and teach us as viewers how to spot deception in people around us.

[@daniellesandal461]

@@kayleeseuss9615 Chase is 100% giving a foundation of WHY she's doing what she's doing, as in -- he's speaking of her past; not simply interpreting deception.

[@muttleyjones2]

@@kayleeseuss9615 Well said and completely correct. The panel do not give opinions on right and wrong or why a person is a certain way, that's not why they are here.

[@Chrisy0850]

@@muttleyjones2 but in this case they failed, at least scott

[@muttleyjones2]

@@Chrisy0850 Perhaps I should have said, "The panel should not give opinions on right and wrong." Then again it's their show, I guess they can do whatever they want.

[@teensymom1420]

I know there is no excuse for what she did. However, I have a lot of compassion for her life experiences. Too many kids fall through the cracks, suffer abuse and have no one to love or care for them. I don't think we should be surprised when some percentage of these folks goes completely off the rails. Just sad and tragic for all involved

[@gripplehound]

Wholeheartedly agree 💗

[@gigistrailsandtales7203]

Most murderers and people in jail have had a hard childhood. The system is broken.

[@Sara-2022]

@@gigistrailsandtales7203 agree but I do find it odd that there’s a huge outpouring of sympathy for Aileen and not much for her victims and their families.

[@martyncraigbrown]

@@Sara-2022 You do have a very valid point, no one is discussing the victims she murdered. But this is largely because of (one of) the panels ugly displays of contempt with a distinct lack of empathy towards Aileen which has left a bit of nasty taste in many of our mouths and caused us to spit it back at them. I don’t know too much history on each individual victim either, I don’t think their actions/roles we explored in much detail so there is less of a human connection made. You are totally right though, they did not deserve to pay the ultimate price due to a mentally disturbed woman’s action, regardless of what put her there.

[@coraldawn7201]

Aileen had to give up her own life at the age of 16 in order to pay her bills She didn't have a warm home to go to or a sweet 16 bday party. 😥 Aileen (noticed I used her name) had a " hate--on" for every man she met Before she died (just in my opinion) she felt justified not remorseful. She won't stand beside Jesus or go to heaven, I wish Aileen knew how much empathy has been her way.

[@MayimHastings]

I agree with you guys, you did a great job with this one and I love Scott, but calling her an “It”? That actually made me nauseous. Every man she she ever knew treated her like an “It”. Please fix this!