Series Final: Ticonderoga(late) vs Perry vs Slava vs Sovremenny | Sea Power

[@PontiacFirebirdFormula305WS6]

I can’t wait to see the upcoming competition!

[@grimreapers]

I dare you to enter it.

[@PontiacFirebirdFormula305WS6]

I wish I could do it just so I could support you in other ways than hitting the like button. (I am subscribed)! But that is unfortunately all I can do right now. Maybe I can become a member soon though!

[@hugeinjapan4635]

TBF, the OHP was basically a missile sponge for screening the carriers, so their purpose has been fulfilled. Can I just say... I spent most of my time on a VLS Tico, so I'm happy. The Slavas and, of course, the Kirov, were a bit terrifying to look at (think that was the point) but glad we had a good chance of prevailing if shit hit the fan.

[@howardstotler616]

Spent two years on the Stark soon after they got hit. Helped rebuild her in the yards in Pascagoula. Leading GMM and LPO. Based on what I saw in her cabilities during my time onboard made me never want to go into combat on that platform. Especially with the radar and without a tail. Sitting duck.

[@hugeinjapan4635]

@@howardstotler616 Oh crap..... I remember when the Stark was hit. I was a senior in HS. I was baffled we didn't hit Iraq like we hit Iran after the Sammy B hit a mine. They were all "Ooops! Sorry we touched your boat ... please don't kill us"

[@rudi_ghuliani]

Soviets made some mean looking ships but I imagine irl those tube doors would be rusted shut 🤣

[@hugeinjapan4635]

@@rudi_ghuliani in my job, we got regular intel updates on the readiness of the soviet (and post-soviet) navy. There was a precipitous decline in readiness that just accelerated. So your assessment may have a lot of truth.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@rudi_ghulianiThat’s.. not true to reality. I think you misunderstand how much money they sink into their Kirovs. I don’t think you wanna find out if a modernized Kirov works or not, I sure as hell wouldn’t.

[@AussieDave04]

Go the reapers, thanks Cap, cheers Mate

[@jaymelton2663]

So these have been enjoyable, but I think there's a flaw - You've spoken about not wanting to use the 90's update for the US boats because it makes them too powerful, which makes sense. That being said, I'd argue the same thing is happening here in favor of the Soviets. The Soviets invested heavily in missile boats specifically because they never really invested in a true carrier fleet. The US, on the other hand, HEAVILY built up their carrier fleets, and all of these US boats were designed to be part of those fleets. Effectively, you're forcing the US to fight the Soviet's fight - not what they were built for.

[@VikingTeddy]

It's not a flaw since the point was merely to test firepower. But as a duel yeah, doesn't work. I'd like to see a proper versus, whatever that would be.

[@squgieman]

@@VikingTeddy it would be kirov or slava based SAG's vs a US carrier task force, though the russians would likely be fighting on the defense and thus have land based Tu-22 support, which would be the real danger to our carriers

[@khangkt1721]

I completely with your points. US surface combat vessel was never intended to seek out and sink other ships. In their naval doctrine, they were primarily there to defend the aircraft carrier which is their main striking force. Hell, I even say that today modern USN don't even have the same offensive capabilities as the Soviet back then until the advent of LRASM

[@grimreapers]

Yup fair point, that's why in my next series there will be large mixed fleets which will address the problem.

[@MuffHam]

Just be happy its a game. Had the US and USSR gone to war pier to 1986 the USSR would have sunk a ton of US ships. Its very clear the USSR surface fleet was a major threat to the US navy before 1986.

[@birdsfan]

Thanks Cap, love your videos!

[@henrymann8122]

Thanks, Cap! I enjoyed this.

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@Ezvil504]

Wait there’s a way to pay on KZbin

[@two-eyedRoy]

@@Ezvil504 just under the vid; Thumb Up/Down Share Download *Thanks* Save Click the Thanks. in the pop up; write your message, drag the dot along the bar to set amount (from $2 - $500) clicky-clicky Buy and Send Next pop up is CC details and so forth... 🙂👍

[@wastelander89]

Great video and i appreciate all the fun other videos u made too. Also thanks for all the time and effort put into the content

[@adamtruong1759]

I like how you can see every individual missile silo on the Slava's VLS open up to fire, I never noticed that.

[@ryno07962]

New Tico vs missle boat swarm!?

[@grimreapers]

OK

[@redgriffindiver7740]

The beauty of AEGIS and VLS.

[@IetsgoBrandon]

Though it is several days late, I would like to say "Happy Birthday to you! Cap." I adore your videos very much.

[@Christopher4567-g3f]

Another w video.

[@HurricaneOK1]

"Lots of poo in the channel."

[@mtiger03]

Great series CAP!!!

[@grimreapers]

Was fun BUT next will will be 1000 times better.

[@shaneofcanada7042]

Happy Belated Birthday Cap!

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@mac2857]

It wasn't blind luck, the P-500s are "smart" they can coordinate and change targets to make sure every ship is hit

[@grimreapers]

I thought it was the P-700 that introduced the datalink guidance?

[@ryonacrest6178]

@@grimreapers It was on the P-500s first in a sort of "trial-run", though the datalink wasn't as advanced as the P-700s.

[@mrlodwick]

Loving this Capt!

[@dobster5819]

Great fun Cap, cheers.

[@trev8591]

That was fun and interesting, Cap. Next competition should be really fun!

[@davidkeane1820]

New competition rules look fun

[@lightspeedvictory]

One thing you have to understand is that the SPS-67 surface search radar can detect and track surface ships AS WELL AS low flying aircraft and cruise missiles out to 56 miles, and submarine periscopes, navigation buoys and other navigational hazards out to 12 miles. So arguably, at least for the larger vessels, they are seeing these missiles coming at them practically almost immediately in this tournament. It’s just that their missiles don’t necessarily have the range to take advantage of this. Remember, the RIM-66 SM-1 and -2 missiles used by the American vessels in this tournament will have at most maybe 40 miles. The VLS equipped Ticos on the other hand, are most likely using the RIM-67 SM-2ER, which depending on the block model, have ranges between 65-200 miles. Hence the Ticos firing interceptors almost immediately in this video Edit: late model SM-2MR’s have a range of about 85 miles. Ticos didn’t carry SM-2ER

[@coffeejelly523]

Tico's never carried RIM-67's, they're too long to fit in a VLS cell.

[@lightspeedvictory]

@ maybe for tactical and self-defense length VLS but the Ticonderoga’s were outfitted with strike length VLS which was specifically designed for both Tomahawk and RIM-67

[@coffeejelly523]

@@lightspeedvictory even the strike length cells are too short for RIM-67's. Newer extended range missiles like SM-6 and SM-3 can just barely fit into strike length cells by using a much shorter and wider finless booster. Tico's *can* carry SM-2ER's but not RIM-67's, only the RIM-156A (SM-2ER Block IV) that the shorter booster was developed for, but these didn't enter the fleet until 1999 and only in very limited numbers before the program was cancelled.

[@logansorenssen]

Those are SM-2MR, but they're newer blocks, good out to 85nm. The latest even have active radar homing, and could actually be fired at the Slavas right off the drop. (I think the NTU mod models Block IIIa, which doesn't have any OTH capabilities.)

[@lightspeedvictory]

@@logansorenssen now it makes sense…

[@joshmostposh]

I definitely would be curious to see someone submit a group of ships 100% dedicated to AA defense. Just to see what happens when you take the absolute best AA ships in the entire game and see if they can hold out against everything thrown at them.

[@Ezvil504]

You just did they lost

[@Mobius118]

Agreed, that would be interesting

[@Maverick966]

In real life Slava class "Moskva" anti-air defenses were off for some reason, so you can't judge the Slava class for that event

[@trentvlak]

they were using the emcon tactic 😆

[@Maverick966]

@trentvlak It is possible, probably they tought they were not detectable, the Ukrainian radar detected the Moskva because of a meteorological anomaly that allowed the radar to see much farther beyond the horizon and launch the Neptune missiles, a bad strategy to use EMCON in such case, the Slava was designed to intercept sea skimming subsonic missiles like the Neptune, it could easily have dealed with them, EMCON should only be used in exceptional cases, not when you have strategical superiority.

[@Marshal_Longarm]

​@@Maverick966sorry, but Moskva went down because of inner malfunction causing fire, he was never hit.

[@jimmymcgoochie5363]

“No, it wasn’t sunk by enemy missiles, it was sunk by itself setting itself on fire!” OK, but that’s worse. You understand how that’s worse, right?

[@Marshal_Longarm]

@@jimmymcgoochie5363 pretty much. Why?

[@xenoaltrax485]

With the points system as set up, I vote for a fleet of 3x Slava + 2x Udaloy + 1x Leahy68. Main offense comes from the Slavas. While long range defense comes from the combined 18 fcr-channel Slavas and 4 fcr-channel Leahy68, plus short range defense from the combined 16 fcr-channel Udaloys and 4 fcr-channel Slavas.

[@glennpettersson9002]

If memory serves i think the OHP was designed for convoy escort, a cheap single screw design that was easy to mass produce. I think they were the first ships to use gas turbines as their main propulsion.

[@christopherjohnson529]

The new competition sounds great! However, one suggestion. Keep the fleets to be NATO or Warsaw Pact themed, not a complete mix-and-match. What's really interesting is seeing how NATO ships could have been built into particular task forces, same for the Warsaw Pact. What could the navies have done with the "chess pieces" they had at the time to make the most effective groups? NATO and WP fleets had unique philosophies, would be cool to see creative ways of making them work. Also, it's more cool seeing different philosophies of ship design fight each other. It's like in WH40K, you want to see the best Imperial Guard mix for 1000 points versus the best Ork mix. It's strange watching a battle where it's a mix of Imperial Guard and Ork units together against another mix of IG and Orks.

[@the_guitarcade]

In general, I haven't been a fan of sea power on account of how slow naval battles are and then how abruptly they're over, but this tournament sounds pretty cool.

[@NemoGraynameA8]

You should see how many Armed Business Jets it takes to beat the various classes

[@tiny_tex]

haven't seen the battle yet, (i'm betting on OHP, gotta love an underdog) but it would be cool to see the overall winner fight a combined force of each of the first-round losers, to see if they could come together in their suckiness to overcome the champ. keep up the great work, Cap.

[@Arks1103]

The ship Moskva went down less due to the missiles and more due to the lack of defense and poor damage control, I mean, who in the right and gave the orders to turn of defenses in an active war, not that the defenses could have done better, but still could have a chance, and the damage control parties lacked training and performed atrociously. It was a shameful display, and that's the truth.

[@Dragonman1OOO]

It mostly went down because of fire out of malfunction.

[@rebelliousfew]

Precisely. Had the air and surface search radars been on, they would’ve absolutely destroyed the Neptune missiles. Absolutely shameful that the only reason it was sunk was because they thought they should go EMCON. Pure stupidity when you have the strategic advantage of having a navy and your enemy does not.

[@jugganaut33]

She was due for scrapping the same year. The radars were corroded and none of the equipment worked. She hadn’t been maintained since the Soviet Union fell. They didn’t do damage control because she wasn’t worth it in short. Slava was sunk the moment they decided to sail her as some bluff/ decoy. Target. Notice how they didn’t do the aggressive Patrol with the admiral or Gorschov. They’re brand new boats. The Patrol could also have been done by a Submarine.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@jugganaut33 That is.. factually incorrect. I spoke with two sailors on board the Moskva that day.. and everything worked as intended, the only problem though is that they were completely EMCON, so they had no prior warning to the missiles. To say she was never serviced or maintained since the fall of the USSR is a pure lie. On December 3rd, 2009, she was put in dry dock PD-30 for scheduled interim overhaul and maintenance, and in June of 2019, left port to perform testing of her combat systems and main propulsion. On July 3rd of 2020 had then completed two and a half months of repairs and maintenance intended to allow her to remain in active service until 2040.. so no they were no where close to scrapping her. She even fired the newer P-1000 Vulkan missiles in April 2021. Pays to do some research, huh?

[@jamesp8164]

Quite a difference 2-3 years of technology development makes.

[@FleetDefenderRA5]

You have probably read all the comments, but may I recommend a larger grid than 10 miles. I would want anti-air pickets in my fleet farther than 10 miles... that would be my one suggestion.

[@davidkeane1820]

Thanks!

[@grimreapers]

Thanks

[@sgxbot]

the moskva wasnt sunk by 2 harpoons. it was hit by 2 neptune missiles which are bigger than harpoons and have a higher range. also most likely a bit faster but still sub sonic. and officially the defense systems of the moskva wasnt activated or didnt work either because of bad crew training or radar failure.

[@egoalter1276]

Moskva ought to have bene able to defend against at least 12 neptunes within the engagement window from them cresting the radar horizon. Its defenses were almost certainly not active.

[@rebelliousfew]

@@egoalter1276Yep, I have managed to speak with two Russian sailors who were onboard that day. From what they claim, they were ordered from higher command to go completely EMCON. They simply didn’t know until the first missile hit, and then when they tried to activate their surface and air search radars, they were too heavily damaged, at which point.. they were a sitting duck. More or less the fault of the high command staff, not the crew itself.

[@firstname8637]

@@rebelliousfew Oh wow thats... But why?! Why would they tell them to do that and then go:" Just sail through this active warzone. I'm sure nothing will happen".

[@markredacted8547]

@@firstname8637 The equivalent of walking into a boxing match and covering your eyes thinking if I can't see them they can't see me. But also, why enter the boxing ring with that idea/plan in the first place?!

[@rebelliousfew]

@@firstname8637 Yeah.. not sure what their command staff were drinking that day. They have the strategic and firepower advantage.. yet decided to go completely EMCON. Pure stupidity on their part. I pity the sailors who had to suffer through such horrible decision making.

[@johnmumford76]

New Russian Modernization mod exists now!

[@SuperShermanTanker]

Did not expect the VLS Ticonderoga to literally just unleash a tsunami of missiles

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

Would the cool to see a mixed fleet if possible, of both the Kirov and Iowa 8 ships total 4 kirovs and 4 Iowas vs the NTU Ticonderoga 8 ships Just as a for fun battle

[@Zalthook5048]

Fair is better. How will we know how to improve? Right?

[@firstname8637]

Interesting! A few days ago I also ran a Slava vs. Sovremenny 1v1. And the Slava was able to intercept all 8 missiles shot at her.

[@filipearthur5379]

If both have AWACS Slava would problably do that, since the SA-6 have a grater range. But the ship Radar cant see the low flying missile alone.

[@firstname8637]

@@filipearthur5379 Yeah, that might be it. Interestingly it's pretty shit at defending itself against it's own missiles if you do Slava vs Slava and give both AWACS. Eventhough their missiles are slower.

[@whatiswhat4]

well done

[@rebelliousfew]

Now we just need the same series, but with much more realistic scenarios that comply with the naval doctrines of both the USSR and US. That would truly test their skills and abilities.

[@simonpallett5287]

Belated happy birthday Cap :)

[@grimreapers]

Thanks!

[@thatkyledude1093]

So one big thing that should be comsidered in the next round of these battles is that each individual class of ship was built to specialize in a certain type of warfare. For imstance, the OHPs were designed as anti-submarine warfare ships, and the Tico's as anti-aircraft warfare ships. On the Soviet side, the Slavas were meant to be anti-surcace combatants, while ships like the Udaloys were anti-submarine, and the Krestas were (i think) anti-air. So putting one type against a different makes things not fully fair. Don't really know how that could be realistically accounted for in a bracket style competition like this, but it is definitely something to consider.

[@qfinck]

The point system makes it so the ships with the big anti-surface loadout cost the most.

[@StephenCole1916]

Would be neat to have a fleet on fleet action with the best of the best from both sides.

[@Jack_Over9000]

idk if this final round proved much other than a cruiser will generally beat a destroyer and a frigate. But I would have enjoyed a final galleon battle here!

[@wulfwalker2514]

If you choose an American carrier, should you not automatically get the use of an E-2? They are a part of the air wing, and the air wing is the offensive of a carrier.

[@grimreapers]

That's a good point, I'll speak the boys.

[@wulfwalker2514]

Sorry. That should have been offensive arm of a carrier.

[@namsangi1231]

Doesnt the nimitz carrier start with 3 e2s on board that the player can launch

[@strambino1]

I hope you have a fight between a US carrier strike group and Soviet Kiev Carrier strike group. If they start off at 500nm range it will be a very interesting fight because if the Soviets close the distance they have the advantage. It’s like Tyson VS Lennox Lewis.

[@jugganaut33]

The reason slava sank is because she’d never seen a days maintenance since 1990. 32 years by the time of her sinking. She was due for scrapping the same year. Nothing on the ship worked. Even to hit Bayraktar drones she was having to fire 3 X S300 missiles. Because they haven’t been maintained either and the radar was corroded. At the time she put to sea with freshly oiled, greased and sealed equipment she would have been lethal.

[@yoannbougon5471]

Just for my culture, why is the slava's S-300 not firing at the same rate as a VLS tico?

[@grimreapers]

No idea, I don't have control of it.

[@rebelliousfew]

Very good question. They have a fairly rapid sustained rate of fire.

[@yournamehere9928]

It doesn't have as many missile tracking channels as a Tico. A fast RoF doesn't do you much good if you can't guide your missiles in.

[@Maltechr]

Heres a lil idea for another "mini sea battle" .. Subs vs anti sub ships!

[@grimreapers]

Working on it. Difficult to make the sub battles "fair", if that makes sense?

[@Maltechr]

@@grimreapers Oh it does, maybe it'll be more of a "Which (if any) anti sub ships actually works"-competition

[@Maltechr]

@@grimreapers Maybe it should just be more of a series of experiments rather than a competition.. After all, the very aim of warfare is to give get an advantage.. F22 vs soviet jets is a great example.. Is it fair? No, but its warfare..

[@jmtpolitico80]

Just figured I would mention that. They certainly have offensive Capabilities, but literally no Air-Defense from their Navy as if they never seen a missile/Drone coming...

[@Blueorange22]

hang on, why th egentlemens agreement to let the slower missile fire first? speed of the missile is part of a ships capabilities

[@grimreapers]

It's to help me film both sets of launches. It's only a few seconds it will make almost no difference.

[@Blueorange22]

@@grimreapers Ah, makes sense. thanks

[@eaches]

LOL. My poor OHP's. A true David vs. Goliath scenario. IRL, we'd have gotten the hell out of there and back to the battle group we were intended to operate with.

[@Doc_Roe]

The poor OHP's with the one arm bandits never stood a chance lmao

[@madmadmal]

Yeah, this if fun, doesn’t matter the realism. This is a test of firepower. Tactics are another thing which another scenario.

[@bradyboy7092]

You can get so many ships with VLS you should try them out

[@grimreapers]

Same problem I found, makes game too easy for US fleet.

[@bradyboy7092]

@ they have a mod to balance the Soviet fleet out as well, making it on par with the modern American fleet

[@firstname8637]

@@bradyboy7092 Whats it called? Might want to install it myself.

[@bradyboy7092]

@@firstname8637 give me a bit. I’ll find it for you.

[@guntotingleftist8004]

If the slava was modeled properly, all the weapons would fail to work, and the ship would blow up for no reason.

[@YT-mn4eq]

Sea Power doesn't simulate smoking accidents

[@grimreapers]

lol yes probably.

[@rebelliousfew]

Incorrect. The Slava that was sunk simply was operating EMCON, so that would suggest the systems worked as they should.. but if they’re deactivated, then they’re obviously useless. It wasn’t the fault of the systems itself.

[@demanischaffer]

​@@rebelliousfew even in total EMCON, the CIWS failed to intercept two subsonic missiles?

[@rebelliousfew]

@@demanischaffer I’ve spoken with two sailors previously who were onboard the Slava, and they had no warnings of the Neptunes, nor did the CIWS engage anything, which they absolutely would have for subsonic missiles, indicating everything was shut off. The AK-630’s rely on their own systems being active to engage targets, and if those were shut off.. well, you know the rest.

[@davemorris9368]

I'd love a losers bracket and then match the winner of that(Kirov) can take on the winner of the winners bracket.

[@grimreapers]

Roger, just recorded a Kirov battle.

[@b.elzebub9252]

That was fun! But now we kinda need to know how many core-game Slava's it would take to defeat a single VLS Ticonderoga, don't we? And can a single VLS Tico take on an entire Soviet carrier group? And vice versa of course, since that is essentially what the Slava's were designed to do. Take out US carrier groups.

[@ForceCSW]

Udaloys are a bargain for air defense. I'd run at least 3-4 in any formation. They're also great as missile sponges oriented towards the threat axis.

[@billwhoever2830]

1) the Kirov is stronger than the Slava, you just didn't put them against each other, the iowa beating Kirov and not Slava is just a random mess 2) the modded ships are probably over modeled, it is not just the VLS change, the soviet ships have VLS too, it is the radars and missiles 3) the range was too short for the missiles of the Slava, the missiles flying high on the early part of their journey is to conserve fuel, they would obviously launch them low for such a short range engagement 4) the Sovremenny would probably be a better option than the Kirov/Slava when fighting the modded Tico at such a short range because of 3)

[@rebelliousfew]

Yep, those were my initial thoughts. I knew the Slavas would lose simply because the P-500’s fly high initially. Had they sea-skimmed, the Slavas would’ve had a much more fair and equal chance.

[@AppalachianMountainMan1]

I miss hearing "I'm gonna pop!!!" what happened to him?

[@Wolfe351]

on the VLS Tico the 8 rgm84s are still fired from the 8 cannisters on the stern EDIT I think the early Tico is a bit nerfed IMO

[@timbaskett6299]

I'd be curious to see the original core game Russian SSKs (Submarine diesel) and SSNs (Submarine nuclear) versus the updated US forces CBG.

[@IvGorin]

Pretty sure that the NTU VLS is overmodeled like hell. There's no way it's able to launch sm-2s that quickly

[@gebus5633]

*sad vatnik noises*

[@DirtyHairy1]

are the carriers planes solely representaed in the class column? and the BBs guns?

[@jyralnadreth4442]

Is there somewhere we can download the list Cap? :) This could be great for players to play their own battles with friends using your system :)

[@Wolfe351]

is the 1960s Oklahoma City CLG on the list?? Can it use the anti radar version of Talos? If it can I would like to see it vs a Slava.....

[@ColdWarriorGamer]

One thing i dont like is the fact is that there were not a huge amount of TASMS made IRL. A tico would not be carrying 20 of them and as soon as the cold war ended they were retired

[@viaticchart3139]

I like the idea for creating fleets, hopefully the GR team will bring some fleets of their own along with some trash talk.

[@gebus5633]

Fantasy football, or whatever, with ships.

[@grimreapers]

Roger, I'll make a fleet and enter it.

[@ivorharden]

Ive read alot of comments about the different naval doctrines during th cold war. Maybe you should do a US carrier fleet vs a Soviet missile fleet?

[@fancyxpants]

Does it matter that the Sovremenny were set to EMCON in the first battle?

[@johnjeremiahpuno2359]

Cap, try the MRU mod. It mods the Soviet’s Kirov, Slava, Soverenmy, Orel and Udaloy. And put it against the NTU.

[@pelmen1294]

The slava that was sunk was probably because of crew quality.

[@squeegle1]

If sending money by super thanks . How much of it do you get ?

[@grimreapers]

Honestly I have no idea and no obvious way of finding out, sorry.

[@squeegle1]

If that's the case and it's OK with you will send on PayPal . That way i know you are getting it and not just a % of it the rest swallowed without trace by some middle man money broker . Think i still have your PayPal add .

[@JRMshadow260a]

I understand that you like to do fair fights.. But you ask any military member if they want a fair fight or not.. Most will say If you are in a fair fight you lost..

[@robandcheryls]

How about an USN Sub Group, take on a carrier battle fleet of USSR/Russia

[@robandcheryls]

Great game, Hat do I need for a CPU?

[@SuperShermanTanker]

Ryzen 5 2600x or i5 8600k according to the steam page for the game, should run on any recent CPU Ryzen 3 and Intel i3 and above from the past 2-3 years and any Ryzen 5 and Intel i5 and above from the past 5-6 years

[@jamespaladino2784]

No broadside battle? 😢😢😢😢

[@squeegle1]

I was just wondering as when i went to buy a super thanks this comes up . Price £83.33 VAT £16.67 Total today £100.00 So i was wondering just how much you get in the end ?

[@thecanadiannematoad4140]

Ive has 1 tico run 4 slavas out of missiles before getting boaten by guns

[@argokarrus2731]

Slava vs OHP is literally a hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[@beamsy9740]

Should be a tonnes vs tonnes with the Slava vs US Oliver Hazard Perry Frigate it should be 4 vs 16 (In reality it would be 4 vs 71 as that is all of the classes made) doing 1 to 1 is not very much of a compaction

[@alexandermarkov860]

Someone needs to mod in modern Neptunes 😊

[@Erik_123]

Cap, can you say outloud that I will never win the lottery?

[@grimreapers]

erm, I believe there is almost no chance you will be a winner.

[@jetfighter200]

so "in game" Slava vs "mod" Tico ...it was clear the Tico won...

[@JamesDelosInc]

SPOILERS !!!!!😢

[@grimreapers]

Yup, extremely easy win for NTU Tico.

[@FrozenviperUK1]

Comment for the gods

[@Ezvil504]

Based on the scale I’d say the balance is off all of the best shits are Soviets I feel like the next series will be soviets ships vs Soviet ships 🤷🏿‍♂️🤷🏿‍♂️

[@warbuzzard7167]

Remember: the attack on Moskva was heralded by dozens of drones greatly distracting her largely under functioning radar and defensive systems. Add in other systems for which there were decades of neglect in repair and modernization, crews who were grossly inexperienced, a ship design that was never optimized for fighting fires (mostly because they were considered “disposable” once they’d delivered their massive missile payload and sunk the capitalists’ overpriced and overstaffed carriers), and generalized Soviet disregard for the fates of crews, you have the perfect storm of failure for the Slavs-class in 2023’s Ukraine War.

[@johnbamba3052]

It's human error why the Slava in 2022 was easily sunk by two slow moving missiles. Their radars aren't turned on that time. While they know they are in range or maybe thought they are not. Anyway bottom line is they got careless, because they underestimated Ukrainians capability of launching missiles towards their ships. It's human error I think, especially on it's commander's part.

[@McAllisterCo]

27:05 Both ships have a vls system and the Soviets have super sonic anti ship missiles so tell me how it’s not fair? And in my opinion what you do is script the battles to be “fair”, we want an accurate representation of what you’d find in real life.

[@forMacguyver]

Completely agree with you. Cap is "bored" with reality so he stacks the deck and then says it's not scripted.

[@ToastyTunes9884]

Did you guys not see the final battle? As said by cap already US will win every time with this mod and I agree and it's boring. Please watch other NTU mod videos if you want "realism". No matter what the game claims to be, it's still a game, played for "fun"

[@Trades46]

AEGIS is OP.

[@MB-mr4ek]

I really don't get all the people asking for the NTU to be added, or even why it was added as a mod to start with. Why bother playing a game where you are going to always win? Great work setting up the next competition btw, a lot of work gone into that.

[@manjisaipoe517]

Cap, keep doing your channel your way. Fair is fine, realistic may be so boring its not worth the effort. Peace.

[@fictionalarachnid7197]

Sea Power simulates a fictional Redfor fighting a fictional Bluefor; any similarities to historical assets or events, past or present are unintentional and should not be read into for historical interpretation. The devs are trying to deliver a fun and exciting gameplay experience, rather than any statement relating to reality. No one gets very upset when the bad guys win a fictional space battle - this is much the same. From that perspective, thank you for demonstrating the in-game behavior of SP's more impressive units when pitted against each other.

[@lat78610]

There is a mistake in the title cap " i wanted us to win so i cheat"

[@grimreapers]

lol yes indeed.

[@arioch2112]

Only in a video game does ALL your equipment work. LOL

[@chefbink61]

I would imagine that the Slava class has seen some upgrades that may not me modeled in game. Do you know if the mod adds such upgrades to the Slava? Or is the mod just putting upgraded US assets in game only?

[@firstname8637]

It only upgrades Us vessels.

[@cristianlotti5328]

The most notable thing they should receive as a “1989” upgrade is the P-1000 missile. A slightly faster P-500 with the same avionics and thus “intelligence” of the P-700. Two of the four ships were equipped with it before the collapse of the Soviet Union. There isn’t any mod restoring it as far as I know.

[@christopherfox7650]

did the vls tyco just 1v4 the slarvas because i only saw one :O

[@grimreapers]

There was def 4.

[@christopherfox7650]

​@@grimreapers Ok yeah I was gonna say but I think a modern tyco with sm6 sm3 sm 2ER ESSM manko hypersonic and larasm could 4v1 a Slava

[@WyvernFalken]

Whenever America is winning, seems fair enough to me. 🤷