When and How All Your Favorite Unique Total War Three Kingdoms Generals Died in History

[@SeriousTrivia]

If you don't see a character here, it means their death date was either not recorded (Da Qiao / Xiao Qiao) or that they were a fictional character (Diao Chan / Zheng Jiang). Eight Princes characters are also not included since their timeline quite isolated compared to those who died during the Three Kingdoms conflict. If you are interested in Eight Princes history, please check out the Let's Talk Lore series covering the Eight Princes Conflict here: kzbin.info/aero/PLV2U5Ov1FXfB8Lrulcu34v8WIPZh04OtU

[@kyokyodisaster4842]

God, why does this make me cry...some of these people are objectively bad people, yet the ways they died are sometimes horrific or just outright sad.

[@Ghost12314]

@@kyokyodisaster4842 they live by the sword , they will die by the sword .

[@Ghost12314]

@@kyokyodisaster4842 and its better than being fade away from the history books.

[@Inerrant1]

@@kyokyodisaster4842 Nobody hates more bitterly than family, I guess...

[@adamenander9840]

@@kyokyodisaster4842 I can relate.

[@SuperCosmicSpaceMagnet]

Dang, whoever Sickness is he killed a LOT of high profile characters. What a beast.

[@TIMIDGEE]

Secret DLC character anyone?

[@railx2005]

Nah Natural Causes killed more, definitely want my hand on this legendary general

[@_IRAKIH]

We guess there was a plague across China across 220 and 221 as many died during those years

[@jamiekevingallagher365]

The only madlad who can top him for total kill count is Cao Cao.

[@signoguns8501]

Pre modern medicine, you were lucky to make it past childbirth. In fact, even the mother was lucky to survive childbirth. Childbirth was one of the biggest killers right up until the 20th century. Even something as small as an infected nail could mean death. But people had much stronger immune systems back then, as they were constantly exposed to lots of different germs and parasites and viruses. But still, death was common for all ages. Thank god for antibacterial soap and penicillin.

[@vastovwjj4833]

RIP to all the general, at least they made it into the history books.

[@yqisq6966]

And a video game ;)

[@bosbanon3452]

@@yqisq6966 somw

[@levelupcastgaming]

Sun Quan: Now, Zhang Liao is dying. We finally will capture Hefei. Zhang Liao: NOPE

[@minuteman3317]

*Zhang Liao in his death bed* "gg ezy"

[@JoeNguyen9x]

Lu Meng - Died of me continuosly sending him into duel just to get Lu Bu out in the battlfield as replacement for absolutely 0 gold.

[@LeHunter70]

Wait really, 😂😂, where is this source of this

[@Tzilandi]

Cao Cao: "But I am going to die." Xiahou Dun: "I know that well enough, Mengde. Of course you are. And I'm coming with you.”

[@kyokyodisaster4842]

BEST BRO'S EVER... Xiahou Dun and Cao Cao survived so much together.

[@SuperBubbleduck]

@@kyokyodisaster4842 and xiahou yuan!

[@gamechanger8908]

He was one heck of a cousin.

[@herbertvonbismarck8303]

For anyone wondering why Zhang yan's death isn't recorded the last record of him currently alive is after dealing with the yuan family, Cao cao gave him the title of marquis and let him retire, his bandit army was integrated into Cao cao's army

[@SiodogRehane]

Nice

[@iboutris]

finally my boy has a good ending😭

[@rizalalbar]

Thanks for the the explanation dude.

[@JasperLane]

He quite while he was ahead, and had a head.

[@christiandauz3742]

Unfortunately his two sons got dragged into Wei's brutal war with Wu and Shu

[@navox933]

THe last comment reminds me of the scene in 3 Kingdoms where Sun Quan cries, lamenting he will never stand up to Liu Bei and Cao Cao, but his tutor reminds him that he is much younger and will probably outlive them. And then they get shitfaced and Sun Quan is fine, i found that hilarious.

[@kyokyodisaster4842]

Sun Quan may not have been as heroic as his brother, may not have been as smart as Cao Cao, or as overall goodheaded as Liu Bei. But he proves again and again that he is a trooper, and survived all the horror of the era, outliving them all.

[@SuperBubbleduck]

@@kyokyodisaster4842 With him leading Wu on the offense they were a rat, but with him leading wu on the defense they were a dragon!

[@mrpeanut6267]

10:06 The virgin Sun Quan vs The Chad Zhang Liao

[@Cassandra_Solidor]

Just when I thought Zhang Liao couldn't be any more of a complete and total badass. He's leads a victorious army from his deathbed.

[@giornogiovanna2162]

Zhuge Liang scare the shit out of Sima Yi in the afterlife.

[@dalehiles6641]

Feel he kinda is under appreciated in total war 3k , but still , was awesome

[@KimKool100]

Liu Bei: Blinded by hatred when his brothers were not around him anymore, died full of grief and depression Cao Cao: the scene of his death in the movie (2010) was amazing, he regretted nothing, all but just another petal perished in the chilling wind. Sun Quan: The last survivor, shame that his descendants did nothing good for the empire I would love to see all three of them drinking wine under the peach tree talking about how the conflict keep on raging in the afterlife

[@sweepingtime]

Usually when I think about the Three Kingdoms I always lament about how Liu Bei seemed to have suffered the most and gained the least. But Wei was overthrown by the Sima clan and Wu kept being mediocre until its demise. The truer tragedy is how these few decades of strife resulted in nothing lasting, except for the heroism of the warlords and soldiers.

[@j0hncarp]

Kong Rong with the biggest cajones in the 3 kingdoms. Spittin mad disrespect to your manager

[@zhang_han]

descendents of confucious be like that.

[@theleninator5739]

certified gigachad

[@kapanee]

Great video, very humbling that the vast majority of famous generals of the time died not by the sword or old age, but by sickness. It really goes to show how different the world was almost 2000 years ago. I am blessed and thankful to be living in an age where living to 70+ years of age is the norm.

[@Narfwak]

Also worth noting quite a few of them dying of sickness are in the southern climate where, presumably, malaria would have been an endemic danger. It's estimated that malaria has killed -at least half- maybe 5-6% of all of the ~109 billion humans who have ever lived in the history of our species. Pretty sobering thought. Edit: probably should have double checked my sources. still, that's a lotta dead people

[@milesdavis607]

@@Narfwak 5/6% is still no joke at all, damn

[@simhksim]

10:08 Sun Quan can't even beat a dying man in his bed.

[@Mattulaak]

To be fair this is Zhang Liao the game wasn't messing around when it gave him a badass title.

[@fredericosantos1596]

@@Mattulaak to be honest for all he did in real life i believe his character is srly underpower

[@Mattulaak]

@@fredericosantos1596 Absolutely

[@blahtoblahtoto6441]

and look at his smile xD

[@jurtra9090]

Arthur Morgan: finally a worthy opponent

[@Inerrant1]

Gongsun Zan with the ultimate "YOU DIDN'T WIN!" play.

[@rustydust8648]

gongsun zan(leader)+lubu(heir)+xu chu(prime minister) makes mad man cav it desimates everything gongsun zan 200 instict (1 man army,he has roar of beast, he just makes a whole army flee mostly without a fight) (he is close to lubu, but his armor reduces some of this expertise, ) lubu reaches 200 instinct (1 man army) and xu chu just kills generals like troops (i think he can reach 200 resolve, i won before he could reach 200 resolve)

[@mangyminotaur30]

It’s pretty staggering how many people died of the onset of depression or grief, or even stress like Sima Yue. I hope none of us get know what that’s like

[@dinerenblancc]

That's a popular Chinese cliche that's given as a reason of death to highlight their devotion to a specific cause or person, or that their failure has shamed them to death. The reality is often less dramatic. They most likely fell ill and died.

[@nekomancer8049]

​@@dinerenblancc To be fair, if you were to led thousands of soldiers to their death and had to watch everything up close, you would probably fell so depressed that dying of guilt and grief wouldn't be so strange.

[@Krafanio]

@@dinerenblancc Although I agree with the idea, is also not rare that someone that is depressed or under severe stress develops a strong illness since the body is not really fighting to stop the illness, I´m not a medic, but if you look for it, you will find what I´m saying in more professional terms.

[@lupohutchington269]

PTSD or shellshock. Depression and imbalance brain chemistry

[@lupohutchington269]

​​@@KrafanioBasically the mind decides the war or external danger is more important than a small virus. So the immune system stops getting the signal to keep producing antibodies. As to use the resources to stop a sword to face right now than a virus in two days. This makes the virus, bacteria,etc. more effective and the body has an imbalance creating tumors,cancer,tics ,spams,personality changes

[@neroatlas9121]

Zhang yan isnt here cause he just, walked away and lived a peaceful life and died of age, which wasnt recorded, what a man, he just got out of the game before it got to him

[@animewarrior3]

Ambition is the root of suffering, but also the root of fame. Be it renown or infamy.

[@jooasalmi730]

Man I didn't realise that cao cao had such an impressive kill count

[@lhy8373]

@@ylyl1735 sun quan and liu bei may not be a great leader like cao cao. But they had some of the most competent generals in their faction. Like Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang

[@christiandauz3742]

The Hypothetical Scenario for Wei in DW8 shows that winning Red Cliffs assures Wei's reunification of China

[@JC-uz3ey]

@@lhy8373 Just goes to show that the leader plays a huge part. Even skilled generals under bad leaders couldn't do much. Cao Cao once lamented that Guan Yu had everything - courage, skill, respect, honour and fame, but lacked a leader who could really make him excel.

[@abad-enoughdude._.3919]

Cao Cao had the best chance of ending the turmoil that was ravaging China and causing massive death tolls and widespread suffering. Then you had Liu Bei using his claim to emperorship as an excuse to war when the Han clearly failed the people. Other leaders were trying to seize their chances and fight for power as well. Horrible time and place to be alive.

[@christiandauz3742]

@@abad-enoughdude._.3919 Had Liu Bei and Ma Chao stayed loyal to Wei things would have been different The Battle of Red Cliffs would have happen earlier and be a very decisive Wei victory

[@Thomazbr]

O so vast, O so mighty, The Great River rolls to sea, Flowers do waves thrash, Heroes do sands smash, When all the dreams drain, Same are loss and gain. Green mountains remain, Under pink sunsets, Hoary fishers and woodcutters, Along the banks, find calm water, In autumn moon or in spring wind, By the wine jars, fill porcelain. Discuss talk and tale, Only laugh and gale...

[@JC-Kiro]

Fun fact: Liu Xie and Zhuge Liang have same birthday and died in same day

[@KiwiImpactSaint]

Zhuge Liang is slightly older than Liu Xie, born near the end of 180AD according to some source, while the Emperor was born in 181AD. Though the conspiracy theory is out there, say Zhuge Liang might be the Emperor. And the one left in the palace is a replacement puppet by Cao Cao.

[@SeriousTrivia]

Fun and fictional lol

[@salahad-dinyusufibnayyub7754]

Damn, Shi Xie lived up to 90, just like how long he always reigned in my campaign

[@juanignaciodecarlofadu6304]

Huangfu Song > Kills two generals > Lives to keep on fighting > Refuses to ellaborate > Dies of Sickness Legend

[@Muramasa1794]

Wei Yan really got done dirty. I really don’t think he wanted to rebel. He just wanted to continue in the campaign after Zhuge’s death and he was more than capable to do it.

[@anthonyung8151]

totally agree with you Wei Yan probably could of done it

[@SuperBubbleduck]

You honor your dead prime minister's wishes before you put yourself first. As wang ping said, "His Excellency had just died and his body had yet to turn cold, and now you dare to do something like this!"

[@MisterKisk]

He literally set the plank roads on fire to prevent the rest of the army returning home while trying to be the first one to send a messenger to the court to claim his loyalty and denounce Yang Yi and the rest of the entire army as rebels. He definitely wanted to rebel, and he put the entirety of the army at risk from being trapped between the Wei forces and no where else to march to in order to try and force their hand. It was a good thing Ma Dai killed him and prevented this from happening.

[@BenRover2961]

@@MisterKisk he knew the moment the news zhuge liang's death arrives at chengdu, all officials will force ah dou to retreat the army and to never again resume the expedition even though zhuge liang's will was to continue the duty after him. He would probably divert and build a staging base in the west of mount qi as he offered a plan to ZL before to reroute there. Basically, it's also ZL's own fault for under-using wei yan as he always held him back in the final days. Under-appreciated and always gaslighted by ZL, wei yan really got done dirty. considering the eunuchs opportunity during ZL death. Imagine him and jiang wei cooperate together, Deng ai and guo huai would never even set to invade shu without sima yi always near them.

[@MisterKisk]

@@BenRover2961 Zhuge Liang was the one who ordered the army was to retreat once he died and stated that Wei Yan was to be left behind if he refused. Wei Yan was rebelling with the actions he took in order to prevent the army from doing so. It was not Yang Yi or any of the other officials who endangered the entire state by cutting off the army's retreat to Hanzhong (thus putting them at risk of utter destruction if Wei were to actually attack), and they were not the ones to lead men against any other officer of the state. Wei Yan was the one who did that. Nobody sided with Wei Yan in his memorials and even his own retinue did not side with him, and Wei Yan was said to have been quite generous and treated them well. He was a rebel. He was not intending to overthrow Liu Shan or side with Wei or anything like that, but his actions were one of treason. He put the army in danger of destruction. If even his own retinue deserts him because of that, how can anyone say he did not act in rebellion?

[@ZeroNineNine099]

Today I learned why Zhang Liao is considered elite

[@chrisd2536]

I feel really sad for Lady Zhen. Just because love wasn't there anymore she had to die so Cao Pi could put someone else at her place.

[@herbangm.naibaho5405]

Thats Cao fams for you. They known with their harems.

[@MeloniMacWOKE-RIGHT]

Their is legend that Cao Pi tried to have suicide order recesinded but the letter came to late

[@tilting_cat3344]

Don't forget the cao family and tgeir oenchant for other man wife lol

[@b0mshakalaka875]

The two things you needed to fear in that time : Sickness and Cao Cao.

[@milesdavis607]

It's crazy that reports from both sides agree that Guan Yu practically pointed Yan Liang out from a group of soldiers and said "Head gimme" and then fucking did it.

[@SuperBubbleduck]

One of the many reasons he is deified now.

[@XuerLi]

Guan Yu was like Dian Wei and Gan Ning, originated from a bandit/ criminal background

[@SuperBubbleduck]

@@XuerLi and why does that matter to this conversation?

[@milesdavis607]

Nuance is important as well. He killed a local bully that wouldn't stop, well, being a bully. And it was an accident. Considering how little it was used against him later in life it's clear it was nothing more than that.

[@DANINJAPIGEON]

For anyone who is interested, the bgm is called 卧龙吟 or zhuge Liang's theme

[@J1N6666]

Crouching Dragon Theme

[@arbiter7x]

F in the chat for all my friends playing on Timeless mode

[@mrpeanut6267]

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[@ouziqi198]

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[@thatoneawkwardfriend919]

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[@youhengchen9675]

Kinda don’t want all my 3 major generals that I have been grooming since the beginning of the game to die randomly

[@BagelBBagel]

I really wish there was some sort of trait inheritance system or something. As it is right now, generics inheriting only makes the game significantly less interesting, so I keep timeless on.

[@carlvonclausewitz3107]

Girls: I can’t believe he didn’t cry during the Titanic! Do men even have feelings? Me:

[@btothetuck]

Wild how they lived and fought nearly two millenia ago and they're being remembered this way. I really appreciate this timeline!

[@SuperBubbleduck]

Just goes to show sometimes it doesn't matter if your the winner or the loser, history will remember you.

[@amandag.6186]

@@SuperBubbleduck one way or another

[@railx2005]

@@SuperBubbleduck unless you are something romans came across lol

[@Emilechen]

since China has a tradition of detailed writing system,

[@bosbanon3452]

@@Emilechen mycountry doesn't have that , instead of well documentwd history we have semi-folkloric tales

[@ericbrock5405]

It's so strange that I feel such a connection with all these people that died thousands of years ago all because of The Romance of The Three Kingdoms, Guan Yu deserved better

[@ironictw2st504]

I completely forgot that Pang Tong was even in the game, that’s what I get for not playing Liu Bei. Edit: Xu Shu is in the game too? I should really do a Liu Bei campaign.

[@bw1678]

I've seen Xu Shu maybe twice while not playing as Liu Bei, they still spawn.

[@DirkLasermaster]

@@bw1678 The other day I saw Xu Shu leading the Looters faction haha

[@bw1678]

@@DirkLasermaster That... I didn't know was possible. Though looters do have Han generals so I guess why not haha.

[@tenriayukawa5478]

Looters have "zombie" generals too with generals who shouldve died before 200 leading them.

[@swatdan]

Xu Shu appears in my Liu Bei campaign after an event to serve me for a year later, to leave me and go to Cao Cao for blackmail. In his description tells he was a great swordsman in his youngness

[@TTD-sf2ge]

Zhang Jue started the YTR by curing people through his Taoist magic. Died by a disease...quite poetic, showing that he no longer hold any power and/or his power has stop seeing him as worthy (in Taoism, if you commit acts of atrocities or acts against the heaven, your power will leave you, either stripped off by Tian rens or the power just leave you...Zhang Jue called himself the General of the Sky). The Yellow Sky was a lost cause and it's all because of Zhang Yue's greed

[@Felixrobinson]

12:04 I like to believe Wanglang died from being dissed too hard by zhugeliang

[@obitoxshinobi8978]

😂

[@alewalei_219]

If Yuan Shu had water, he would've ruled CHINA!

[@ecth97]

All these people talking about Cao Cao like he’s the villain Romance casts him as, and not the hero that he truly was. For shame

[@ringuyenthi-z7x]

Are the so-called "all these people" in the room with us right now? 🧐

[@arcomegis9999]

Some people rumored Guan Yu to be a man of Heavens since 3 years into his death, many famous characters also died accordingly. It is believed he "took: them with him.

[@ShaunTripp]

There’s a story I think maybe from the Romance itself where the ghost of Guan Yu possesses and kills Lu Meng then haunts Cao Cao. He’s called out on it by some spirit I think and then makes peace with having died. Kinda shit for Lu Meng though, guy was just serving his lord and avenging his friend.

[@SuperBubbleduck]

​@@ShaunTripp He gets a lot of hate because he went through with the vile actions of wu but when capturing jing he showed mercy to many soldiers working for guan yu/not harming their families/not raping them or plundering the cities and killed some of his men who not unlike guan yu took away supplies from locals by force.

[@JC-uz3ey]

@@SuperBubbleduck In their old age, you can see the generals of shu losing their virtue and succumb to arrogance and pride.

[@jurtra9090]

4:51 (Guan Yu cuts down Yan Liang) Yan Liang: "R-ridiculuous, to be killed by someone like you" Guan Yu: "You seem to have gotten caught up in your own abilites" "I, Guan Yu, have defeated the enemy officer, Yan Liang!" 5:01 Wen Chou: "feel the pain of Yan Liang. PREPARE YOURSELF" (Guan Yu cuts down Wen Chou) Guan Yu: " Personal spite only leads to violence. I cannot allow my honor to be tainted so" (Wen Chou falls from his horse)

[@AlecFortescue]

Depression takes even toughened warriors.

[@xiaoqilin5565]

Shi Xie was 90 years old that was to his time almost a miracle. A pity that so little was made of his character and location in the game...

[@khiemtran5178]

Here in Vietnam, Shi Xie is considered one of the few recorded Chinese governor who was well respected by local Vietnamese, it was also in his time that the first vietnameses were accepted to work as government officials. In fact, and there are still temples venerating him today and some later historians even coined him as "King Shi".

[@Muramasa1794]

5:56 Cao Cao commented if Guo Jia was alive the loss at Chi Bi would have never happened.

[@testdasi]

There was also an element of "I wasn't at fault, I just wasn't advised correctly" in what Cao Cao said. Like in one of the TV series, Xun Yu commented that Cao Cao "knows the mistake, fixes the mistake, but never admits making the mistake". Guo Jia was brilliant before his death but there was no guarantee that Cao Cao would have listened to him had he been alive.

[@jurtra9090]

Xu Shu, i believe, has one of the most tragic story. You can only wonder what if he decided to not visit his mother at Xuchang and stay as Liu Bei's strategist. You cannot use hindsight since any filial son would have any reason to visit their parents (he can be a frontline strategist while Zhuge Liang focuses on internal affairs as a statesman)

[@Torag55]

If I recall correctly, that's just the Romance version. The real history has him just leaving Liu Bei out of dissatisfaction and disillusionment from his cause and he serves Cao Cao instead.

[@kuronoch.1441]

​@@Torag55No, the Romance story about Xu Shu was supported by the two main historical books about the era: San Guo Zhi and Zhi Zhi Tong Jian. Only the mother suicide part was not true.

[@jurtra9090]

7:14 Pang Tong: "Sorry, folks. You have to go on without me" (Pang Tong's unit has been eliminated)

[@SiegahertzCarmin]

Yan Liang... When your death is more impressive in reality than in fiction.

[@gamechanger8908]

8:47 one heck of a cousin that Xiahou Dun.

[@sassafras955]

Hey Trivia, discovered your channel a few weeks ago. As a history grad myself, really awesome to see someone take a deeper look into the game. Love the content, keep it up!

[@ouitai4011]

As far as i know, Ma Dai fled away to Armenia after the fall of Shu Han and created a tribe there.

[@arandomguy141]

What a coincidence, I was listening to Zi De Guqin Studio depiction of Zhuge Liang soundtrack these past few days. Didn't expect to hear it on this channel (maybe I should have considering the content on this channel). I personally find the music to be very fitting. Not that I'm an expert in music, but I could always feel the unfulfilled promises and ambitions of Zhuge Liang behind the strings. Which is very fitting for a video describing the deaths of numerous figures who couldn't see their dreams to the end or even witness the conclusion of an era they have contributed with blood. Except Sima Yi, probably celebrating his victory over the three kingdoms, for only 2 generations.

[@Nambark]

10:00 Zhang Liao you god, you were the greatest and my most favourite. Has of course the most epic quote.

[@jimchin4900]

This is the content I never realized I needed, keep up the legendary work Serious!

[@Perinvisus]

Well, this tells me one thing. They really needed better health care back then.

[@talalmohammad9894]

Ma Teng's one is actually serious trivia taking a shot at Ma Chao morals Ha.

[@Atom523]

Eh, many people give Ma Chao crap for fighting Cao Cao, however honestly does anyone think that Cao Cao was being honest when he told them that he was just going to march his massive army through their lands to take Han Zhong? If Ma Chao did nothing he would have been easily beaten my Cao Cao, at least by attacking first he stood a chance. As history showed us his chance was not much :-p

[@cmchuck4463]

Or rather Ma Chao’s lack of morals.

[@totalwar1793]

Wdym Wang Lang died of natural causes?! He died due to the first recorded Epic Rap Battle :P :P :P

[@tomflanders1]

Eyes like raisins pushed in dough

[@Bertshishi99]

Although the epic rap battle is indeed perfect, he sadly died before the rap battle happened historically.

[@dwaindwyer6272]

I never realized how popular those pointed toed boots were amongst the roster of the characters.

[@ryanchiang5370]

I assume they are designed to help sit steady on horseback.

[@Al_L.]

Dang Cao Cao has had to buy some whetstones after so much head chopping

[@minuteman3317]

Sickness should be the next feature of this game, but optional. As everyone would not be happy when they finally get Lu Bu after he's killed 2000 of their troops but he dies from a cough.

[@ryannguyen7466]

10:00 Sun Quan: Ok bois. Zhang Liao is sick, this time we will get Hefei for sure. Zhang Liao: and I take that personally.

[@briandaniels6318]

My favorite characters would have to be xiahou dun and xu chu A man loyal after death (lol) And a bodyguard so good his sons get land after he dies

[@rizalalbar]

Sadly, Zhong Hui had the audacity to execute his son. Zhong Hui were lucky Xu Chu and Cao Cao had passed many years ago.

[@hoverboard20]

The music is solemn yet clear. I like the choice. I felt sad and happy at the same time.

[@nikoszaxarias5200]

Thanks you SO MUCH, my friend, for this. One of the most romanticised periods of the history of your country, which you bring to us every day through your 3K campaigns and your Let's Talk Lore series. A great attribute from you. Have a nice time, mate, stay safe and may one day I should be honoured to see you here in Greece, to stay for a while and exchange experiences and historical facts from all the periods of the history of our two countries.

[@TheStormfury]

All the deaths to depression makes me want to point out. Mental health is serious, as somebody who's suffered with related issues for over a decades, I got to say this. Never be afraid to ask for help and support. You do matter.

[@jackhoffman2572]

Poor Sun Quan, probably my favorite of the three kingdoms, must suck seeing all your friends and comrades go before you do. Doesn't help that the later part of his reign he makes some ill advised choices. My favorite nonetheless.

[@jackhoffman2572]

I just find his life interesting as he inherited wu relatively young, with the help of able generals and ministers he built a empire, even if he himself was not the greatest general or the smartest official, he seemed to understand that talent was important and seemed to almost find the right person for the job, he listened to his advisors for the most part and managed to build up the southern lands. Despite his disastrous defeats when he himself was out on the field, and the fact that he was kinda a crazed bumbling alcoholic near the end of his reign, he still remains my favorite Three kingdoms character.

[@ShaunTripp]

Sun Quan feels the most ‘real’ out of the leaders of the time. He also imo had a huge amount of PTSD and honestly possibly dementia with how he acted towards the end.

[@rizalalbar]

Not only friend and Comrades. But his siblings as well. If my memories were right he is the 2nd child from all Sun Jian's children. But here the sad part, He's the only one who died because of natural cause or sickness. The other is either die young, die on battle, killed because some conspiracy etc. None of his legitimate siblings live as long as him. He's the only one who survived and passed on the age 70. Imagine, as the 2nd child and all of your younger siblings didn't even alive on your deathbed. Some said he start to become a little bit mad, that is why the later part of his reign he makes some ill advised choices.

[@Thomazbr]

@@rizalalbar well Sun Ren at least seem to have lived a long life. Last we heard of her is the Liu Shan kidnapping event and she was alive back then

[@shihuasun1973]

@@rizalalbar His two younger brothers died around 20 (a fun fact that he actually outlived the lives of the sum of his big brother and two younger brothers

[@Kay2kGer]

fa zheng died before the wu shu campaign, a right i remember again. thats when kong ming commented: if fazheng would still be alive, liu bei would not have gone for wu. (it was fa zheng who conviced liu to take the lands of shu, something kongming was not able to do) thats why fa zheng is said to me liu´s most trusted advisor

[@SuperBubbleduck]

Fun fact: Fa Zheng was liu bei's favorite and took advantage of this with bringing down the hammer on his rivals(he was very, very vindictive).

[@gizmoruler]

Man I love knowing random historical anecdotes.

[@jurtra9090]

How about some appreciation for Serious Trivia who spend his time to give heart to every comment

[@nigeltan676]

Taishi Ci: "Why are we here just to suffer?" *dies*

[@shinsenshogun900]

Immortal Zhang Yan, he is one with the Yellow Turbans and deep in the Black Mountain For real though, he's quite a sneak in barely getting past Lu Bu's killstreak during his service with Yuan Shao

[@aaronbonita2042]

Do you have a list of characters that joined certain factions? There's a ton of generals to hire and its hard to tell who really was with who. Besides the obvious ones, the minor characters are hard to tell. I hope the sequel has a lot more events like the Zhao Yun or Zhuge Liang events where you get characters based on a specific timeframe or event. That might be a great lore series, go through the factions and talk about the notable characters and what they're known for, maybe in either a timeline order or hierarchy of rank or importance.

[@commanderjet]

You are one and few of these ppl who make this game a life and telling us everything on it 💯👍

[@bydand_76]

Thanks dude, enjoyed this. I have played a lot of dynasty warriors, so knew how some died, but it is always interesting to see the difference between the historical record and romance record, which you highlighted and made clear. I have wandered if a studio like HBO, would do a show on the 3K period, similar to GOT....... content for days!!!!

[@genericname786]

I read about Yan Yu's fate a little more, oh my god Sun Ce was very ruthless.

[@frogyert6633]

Guo Jia is my favourite strategist in this game and it is really unfortunate that he died so young

[@sk8paradoxity]

same with Fa Zheng, if he had stayed alive Shu might've actually been successful long term.

[@sedghammer]

Makes me think that sickness/plague should be a mechanic in the campaigns. Would affect provinces more the more populated they are, generals, etc. would at least appreciate something like this for Records. Alas, if only records was more fleshed out.

[@Torag55]

It's there, but it doesn't really do much. Just reduces a besieged city's food supply by event. Then it's just gone once the city is captured or the siege broken. Shame. I like your idea. It reminds me of the sanitation mechanic in Attila, as the squalor from buildings and city can eventually give way to diseases that affect both the city and the armies in vicinity.

[@_greenrunner_]

Zhang Liao defeating an army while fucking dying does not surprise me whatsoever

[@SuperBubbleduck]

I mean, he did kick the ass of 100000 wu soldiers with only...800!!

[@NTLuck]

Loved this video. Didn't really expect it but that's the icing imo

[@andreasmuller5185]

Now a video where you talk about every legendary character and what he did in real life would be nice, but that would be probably too long.

[@SeriousTrivia]

That’s what let’s talk lore series is about. Check out the playlist

[@3ndtkve449]

Cao Cao and his army seem to be the main cause of death in China at this time😂

[@mightberuku9185]

If there’s two things I’ve learnt from all of this, one, sickness was a monster to these men, and secondly, don’t piss off cao cao.... if he says work for him, just work for him xD

[@opium2647]

Lady zen : hah, take that karma you simp emperor

[@jagvillani338]

Three kings no more-Chenliu, Guiming, Anle. The fiefs and posts must now be filled anew. The world's affairs rush on, an endless stream; A sky-told fate, infinite in reach, dooms all. The kingdoms three are now the stuff of dream, For men to ponder, past all praise or blame.

[@yqisq6966]

Damn life expectancy was so low...

[@marundiir4241]

Never knew I needed this.

[@GavinShoe]

I thought Liu Bei died from depression not from natural causes considering how his two brothers haddied and his campaign against Wu failing spectacularly.

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean it contributed but he didn’t die right away after the defeat and had a year or so before dying. He even signed a peace deal with Sun Quan during that time so I don’t think depression is the best term

[@athras8822]

@@SeriousTrivia I thought one of the main reason he got depressed and died was because he caused his own expedition army to be 全军覆没. Since he set up his camp surrounded by a forest, and the enemy literally set the forest and the entire camp on fire.

[@germantru3f4n]

Omg the Music from the old Three Kingdoms series ...the Zhuge Liang memoirs scene 😢

[@rod.lunx0]

I loved this videos so much, the song, the info on these characters and the poetics on Xiahou Dun, whom I really like btw. Edit: Really hope to see more like these in the future and thanks for such a beautiful video.

[@yopuka10000]

Each day i learn something new about this period that i love, awesome content and youtuber thanks a lot !

[@michaelangelokapirig6151]

Huangfu Song is severly underrated. Owned the 3 Zhang brothers all the time.

[@Doragonkuraudo]

Lu Zhi would have defeated/killed Zhang Jue had it not been for the corrupt eunuchs

[@SuperBubbleduck]

@@Doragonkuraudo Very happy Yuan Shao put an end to those eunuchs', shame it took the death of he jin to do it.

[@thvl2018]

2:03 Romance Book: got slapped by Cao Hong In-game: look at that evasion

[@pandadyranda1288]

Ma Chao historically a savage and cunning general. Using rebellion as an excuse to rule Liang for himself

[@cmchuck4463]

And getting the vast majority of his clan executed in the process.

[@ragnarokkr977]

Lol majority of them died either of sickness or by cao cao hands, he certainly knew how to keep himself busy

[@htutpyaesone5481]

poor zhang jiao the healer himself died of sickness :"(

[@rizalalbar]

Just like a medic in games. They can revive the other, but not themselves

[@johanandersson1188]

@@rizalalbar Ironic

[@christiandauz3742]

Being besieged and losing the war you started does affect your health

[@TobyTheTank]

dang Taishi Ci went out so poetically

[@athras8822]

There were rumors one of Taiwan's recent presidents was actually a descendant of Ma Chao.

[@SeriousTrivia]

So Ma Yingjiu’s family claims to be related to Ma Yuan who was a famous Han general. And Ma Chao’s branch also claims to be related to Ma Yuan. But Ma Chao’s branch were from Liang Province and Ma Yingjiu’s ancestors were a branch from the Hunan (think Changsha area) so they might be related or trace to a common ancestor say 2000 years ago but they were not descendants of each other

[@joe718gt4]

Considering his history that wouldn't something to be proud of

[@XuerLi]

Impossible to trace, Ma is a very common surname throughout China with dozens of origins, and most Chinese clan books are unreliable and have done some fabrications during Ming and Qing dynasties to glorify their ancestral roots

[@TheBlaiit]

Hah, only 4 minutes into the video and I already see a pattern around the phrase: "Executed by Cao Cao"

[@vinhquanghoang8301]

Called He Man - Not a noteworthy character. Seems to me he should be called He Noman

[@SeriousTrivia]

I think CA saw a character named He Man and wanted to make a meme character lol

[@moskosama6393]

not surprising that some general died from suicide and depresssion with all the stress they should have

[@GreenC]

As a fanatic for Three Kingdom area, I always found interesting as Liu Xie was the last Emperor that had a decent/normal ending as the emperor of previous dynasty after being overthrown, back then people still hold a burden/imgane to keep to treat the previous Emperor decent. After that, Sima Clam started the execution of previous emperor during Jin Dynasty and ever since that the tradition lasted all the way until modern era

[@SeriousTrivia]

The last emperor of Wei did pretty well for himself too

[@GreenC]

@@SeriousTrivia well Cao Huan is literally apoointed and a pawn of Sima Zhao at the time, the on before him, Cao Mao, got murdered was more legit last Wei Emperor

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean Liu Xie is pretty much the same with Dong Zhuo picking him and poisoning his brother Liu Bian

[@GreenC]

@@SeriousTrivia I mean you are not wrong, although Dong Zhuo wasn't as powerful and dominate as Wei/Sima Clan at the time, and Cao Huan the last emperor of Wei, being a pawn or not, also receive decent ending and the whole execute previous emperor thing really starts off from Jin during 八王之乱(Eight King Rebellion)

[@SeriousTrivia]

Oh the execution thing started long before that when Chu ended Qin

[@Al3xtheMeh]

I refuse these deaths and substitute my own! Half of these people were executed for daring to cross Lu Bu and the others faded into the void because I never saw them on the campaign map or recruitment pool after I destroyed their faction.

[@bigejstg]

Your content for 3k is superb, keep it up!