The Path to Heir | The Founding of Jin Let's Talk Lore E02

[@shaggycan]

Hands that hang below the knees is a pretty random trait to praise in the nobility. Though mine do not, so perhaps I am just jealous.

[@popcornistorturedcorn]

Now that you mention it, Sima Zhao could've probably usurped on his own if he shifted the blame on Jia Chong. But then again, throwing a loyalist of your clan under the bus would likely inspire disloyality in Zhao's supporters. I never understood why Sima Yan was so adamant about placing his mentally challenged son on the throne instead of simply letting his brother inherit. He'd still be the founding emperor of Jin afterall. He should be clever enough to understand that his son's reign would destabilize his dynasty and cause it to crumble.

[@nobblkpraetorian5623]

If I do recall, he was manipulated by his wife and his daughter in law Jia Nanfeng to make Sima Zhong heir.

[@mkxd9951]

​​@@nobblkpraetorian5623From what I remember reading, Yang Yan held more weight than Jia Nanfeng because she had more than one voice in Sima Yan's ear. Yang Yan brought along a cousin of hers called Zhao Can, who became a concubine of Sima Yan. Through Zhao Can, Yang Yan would pretty much apply double the pressure on Sima Yan to conform to her wishes. Zhao Can would later join Jia Nanfeng's party and be executed by Sima Lun.

[@TheSeaAsian]

I think its more because Sima Yan was personally gambling that Sima Zhong would either voluntarily abdicate or drop dead soon after Yan's favorite grandson Sima Yu comes of age, or if Yan lived long enough, he'll just appoint Sima Yu as heir by adopting Yu as his own son (justification could involve that scandalous affair involving Yu's conception). But alas, none of that ended up happening but instead we got the Disorder of 8 Princes.

[@ossas590]

Sima shi Spirit: YOU PROMISED ME THAT "SIMA YOU" WOULD BE THE HEIR Sima zhao: i cant trust you brother, you kept one eye winking at me. Sima shi: THATS MY EYE TUMOUR YOU MONSTER.

[@eamonquinlan9398]

I have watched your videos since Total War: Three Kingdoms came out. I just wanted to thank you for all the work you put in to making videos and teaching history.

[@MasterObservato]

You know what would be interesting for Eight Princes? Factions for at least Cao Huan or his descendants, and maybe two more for the Liu and Sun clans, so that amidst the Eight Princes chaos, a player could resurrect one of the original Three Kingdoms from Jin. Big pipe dream, and I'd way prefer modders develop Jiang Wei's expeditions first, but just an idea

[@SeriousTrivia]

Cao Huan is a faction and there are mods that let you play as him

[@alantanmiaothong635]

Sima You became the Prince of Qi!

[@Killerbee4712]

Whenever a total war artwork shows up for a character during the video Im always taken aback, because we're so far removed from that time, Ive gotten so used to RoTK artwork lol

[@kuroshhesamshariati8273]

Only if Wei Emperors stopped dying at a young Age man. Geuss it was a Curse on the Caos

[@MCorpReview]

Sima yan is like Mr burns playing his hands 😂before saying excellent 😂

[@JohnSmith-us9fv]

Awesome video, enjoyed every minute of it! 😃

[@martinmarigomen2767]

Cao huan was actually a good deal

[@crazyhotchicken]

Are there any records on how civil life was like in this era and region? If so how can I find an English translation?

[@SeriousTrivia]

I mean if you are looking for scholarly articles, you should get yourself jstor access as there are plenty of thesis based on the Three Kingdom period. But even in those, we only can piece together daily life from fragments of evidence. Sometimes it could just be a few lines from poem or some records from bamboo scrolls recovered from a tomb that has been discovered or from some stone carvings depicting events from the period. Its hard to give a conclusive picture of what life was exactly like but we know things like most people farmed, and from tax records we can tell how much land on average people farmed in a year and what the exacted output would be etc. Also China is very big so what life is like in a more plains setting in the Ji Province would be very different compared to the more river based economies of the Jing Province or the frontier life in the Liang Province.

[@orirotem2298]

Cao huan: at the end iam not the one who got the ❌️🍀

[@orirotem2298]

Karma punished the sima the cao clan ruled for much longer survived longer 😎 and got restored by my run 😎😎

[@jayanthkn7056]

The thumbnail is beautiful. Where did you find this excellent work of art?

[@SeriousTrivia]

its from a Chinese mobile Three Kingdoms game called Infinite Border. I don't recommend the game but they do have a lot of great art (the Jiang Wei series cover art is also from them too)

[@orirotem2298]

In 182 date as cao cao i confederate cao song and saving him and lady ding from ❌️

[@Mysteryboy0007]

Is this the game that's trash compared to pharaoh dynasties and Shogun 2??

[@SeriousTrivia]

For me it is definitely better than both of those titles but this is not a gameplay video, it is a history video.

[@Mysteryboy0007]

@@SeriousTrivia why do u say it's better when it's so boring compared to plaything to the other 2

[@SeriousTrivia]

Its better for me, but that might not be the case for you. I have over 3000 hours on the game by now so I am fairly sure its not boring for me. To be fair it helps that I am Chinese and know a fair bit of the history on the period so I can relate more to the characters in the game and the historical backdrop of the period. If we are talking about gameplay, Shogun 2 is quite fun too and I have probably 800 hours on the game. But the game suffers a bit in terms of its over reliance on agents and the fact that ashigaru are imbalanced. Both the archer and yari variety are too strong for the cost. The old game design with 1 hp health counters is just not something I enjoy when compared to the newer total war titles, and I find the province building to be completely linear with no strategic choice. Diplomacy is also nonexistent and suffers from the lack of clarity before they implemented the visible diplomatic values. It is still fun to play once in a while but I definitely don't think it is a better game than Three Kingdoms. As for Pharaoh, the current issue I have with it is mainly around the bugs in the game after the implementation of Dynasties. It needs a bit more polish. It also suffers a bit of incohesive design due to the drastic shift they had to do to improve the sales. For example, it was suppose to be a game focused around infantry combat, but now with dynasties, you have plenty of new cavalry units in the game that really offset this previous balance. Lethality is another example of this. Pharaoh is one of the newer titles with a health bar system, so in order to magnify the powers of elite units, they typically drop the unit count but increase the health bar, so per model health is vastly higher on more elite units even if you end up with fewer models per unit. But now with lethality that gives instant kill chance (similar to the 1 hp system of Shogun 2) mixed in the game, these elite units suddenly becomes extremely vulnerable to being lethally hit. These types of balance issues are a direct result of their sudden shift in direction with the game after the initial poor sales. Other things like bad pathfinding and extremely exploitable trading systems that are in pretty much all Total War games get a bit more magnified in Pharaoh since chariots struggle really hard with pathing and trading becomes the solution to everything given that you suddenly have five resources to perform arbitrage. Like you can easily do a 100 wood for 500 stone trade with one faction that needs wood and then turn around do a 100 stone for 500 wood trade with another faction to suddenly create 400 stone and 400 wood out of thin air basically. While this might make the player feel smart, it is a big oversight by the developers as trade values are based entirely on current stockpile and not actual per turn values which end up making invader factions that horde massive amount of resources the perfect factions to create massively favorable and imbalanced trades. And it just makes the building system kind of pointless as you can easily accumulate hundreds of thousands of resources by turn 50 without doing any build as the per turn income generated in provinces pales to what you can earn from bartering. Now I am not saying Three Kingdoms is perfect as I have played enough of it to know its faults, but I still think with all things considered, it is the better game out of the three for me.

[@popcornistorturedcorn]

@@Mysteryboy0007 Hope CA Sofia is paying you well.

[@Mysteryboy0007]

@@popcornistorturedcorn Sophia didn't make Shogun 2 tho u clwn