Setting Yourself On Fire | United Airlines Flight 608

[@richdurbano]

Flying in the 1940's must have taken a world of courage.

[@badgerbait8351]

Especially if you were on the payroll of the 8th Army Air Corps!

[@JasonMcCord-qk3yb]

And a bit of insanity!

[@doriangray2020]

At least the passengers knew how to properly dress!!👗

[@peggyl2849]

@@doriangray2020 And the days of just a curtain between the cabin and cockpit.

[@DavidSmith-fs6pi]

A good reason back then to travel by train

[@helenphillips4204]

They so nearly made the landing strip...so near and yet so far. R.I.P xx

[@OffendingTheOffendable]

The grim reaper always wins

[@christosvoskresye]

Some of the roads they flew over looked worth a try.

[@PJHEATERMAN]

Im familiar with this accident. Been overhauling heaters for 36 years and on occasion i still do Dc-6 heaters for Alaska cargo operators. Consulted on the Ricky Nelson crash.

[@muffs55mercury61]

Everts Air Cargo, have seen their videos.

[@TracyDavis-l5g]

Oh wow, Ricky Nelson......boy, do I remember that crash, on December 31, 1985, New Year's Eve. I was devastated, when he perished, in that Plane crash, and he was only 45-years-old. Also, I was surprised, that the Pilots, [survived], but Ricky Nelson, his girlfriend, and the other passengers, did [not] survive. I, really, love Ricky Nelson's, songs......Travelin' Man, Mary Lou, Garden Party, etc. He was so Handsome, with beautiful, piercing [blue[ eyes. He left behind, [4] Beautiful children.🙏 RIP, to everyone who perished, in this aviation disaster, on Flight #608, a United Airlines, Douglas DC-6, on October 24, 1947.🙏

[@scottyjohnson3120]

So close. I was pulling for them to make it. How sad.

[@georgeconway4360]

The original DC6 was flown by two pilots and no flight engineer. Due to the accidents the flight engineer was required for flying passengers or cargo for hire. Under FAA rules FAR121 the F/E was required. Under FAR91 not for hire the F/E was not required. I flew for an operator on the DC8 but we also had the DC6. Most trips, auto parts, were live one way and empty ferry the other. The F/E was officially a. jump seater on the ferry legs and not counted against FAA flight time limits. In theory the F/E could fly 200 hours in 30 days rather than the 100 hour limit. Pilots and FEs were paid by USPS miles between cities. Pay was a small base pay plus 2.5 cents per mile for F/Os and 5 cents per mile for Captains. I don’t recall the FE pay but it may have been slightly above the F/O mile rate.

[@cremebrulee4759]

Interesting. Thanks.

[@airplanedata1076]

Sounds like Zantop out of Willow-Run ...

[@georgeconway4360]

@@airplanedata1076 It starts with the letter “R”.

[@andrewpetik2034]

Wow... like a lot of these ....it is amazing, in hindsight, how easily avoidable the accidents seem.

[@julosx]

Right after this accident happened, another DC-6 caughht fire for the same reason in flight, but this time all occupants of the aircraft were lucky because the DC-6 could land properly. But the lesson was learnt and all the DC-6s already in service and of course those being built were fitted with a much safer heating system.

[@jamesmelcher9355]

When I saw the indication of fire in the baggage compartment, I was expecting that this was going to be one of those cases where luggage or cargo was carrying unsafe materials that started a fire.

[@darksteering]

Mate, ive watched you ever since middle school. Now im in university. This is by far my favourite air disasters channel. Keep it up my man🙌🙌

[@RindaJane]

Thank you for the new upload 💕

[@Flying_Snakes]

Fought it for nearly 20mi. RIP

[@julosx]

Even an a piston engines airliner, 20 miles means a very short time to address such a problem.

[@Flying_Snakes]

​@@julosxEven at 240kts 20mi still takes 5 long minutes.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

"The advance in aviation safety is written in blood, paid for by prior generations to whom we owe a great debt"

[@ELCADAROSA]

Same in many industries, unfortunately.

[@caddycommercials8570]

Bacon bonce

[@skinnerhound2660]

My Grandfather started flying for United in 1928. He was killed upon take off in inclement weather in 1933. Ice on the wings Ford Tri Motor.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

@@skinnerhound2660 Wow what a story. Tiny layer of ice weighs far more than we think & can totally mess up the planes CG.

[@AnetaMihaylova-d6f]

​@psalm2forliberty577 and accidents still happen like what Boeing did with 737MAX disaster

[@MightyMezzo]

I find these videos about decades-old crashes quite fascinating. Have you done Northwest Orient flight 2501? It went down in Lake Michigan in 1950. Some of the dead are in a mass grave in St Joseph, MI where my mom lives.

[@jamesmelcher9355]

I’ve read about that one. It’s quite a story. As I understand it, there’s still uncertainty about why it crashed. And I like those older incident stories, too.

[@MightyMezzo]

@@jamesmelcher9355 The wreckage has never been found, just an oil slick and parts (both human and airplane). There’s an organization that goes out and searches every year.

[@jamesmelcher9355]

@@MightyMezzo Yes-I saw a video about some of those efforts-weren’t some funded by the author of Raise the Titanic?

[@MightyMezzo]

@@jamesmelcher9355 yes.

[@KongKingman]

I live the vintage flights!

[@StephenLuke]

RIP To the passengers and crew of United Air Lines Flight 608

[@22ergie]

So dang sad. I still pray for all involved in all of these tragic crashes, no matter how many years have passed.

[@jimjoe9945]

Do you pray for the dead?

[@22ergie]

@@jimjoe9945 Sure, and for the living, and for you as well jimjoe.

[@horseathalt7308]

@@jimjoe9945 Their loved ones, some of which could still be alive today.

[@muffs55mercury61]

The DC-6 first year of operation was in 1947 and there were two crashes but after that it would become a reliable plane and was in airline service into the mid 1960s (I flew on one in 1963) and flew on charter and freighter service for many more years. Everts in Alaska still has four still flying.

[@georgeconway4360]

@@muffs55mercury61 The DC6 had 26 major fatal accidents in the 1950s, and 23 in the 1960s.

[@billyponsonby]

The most heroic and heartbreaking story I’ve seen. The wiki page is worth a visit.

[@cameronlewis1218]

That plane was brand new!!

[@weofnjieofing]

So close to safety yet ultimately so far away

[@WendyKS93]

My heart just sank when I heard that crash because I was so in hopes that somehow they would manage to land the plane.

[@adammcdonald798]

And that was when Douglas moved the cabin air inlets to the very nose (DC 8)

[@horseathalt7308]

I still think in cases with serious fire aboard you need to get any plane down ASAP. Some will perish but some will probably survive in a ditched landing during this emergency. In this case the fire destroyed any hope of controlling the plane at all so you knew all would die.

[@tomperkins5657]

All the dues paid in blood through the 80's to truly have safe air travel.

[@6omega2]

Oh, that's a nice piece of design engineering. (Sarcasm).

[@georgeconway4360]

Not exactly! The investigation interviewed the copilot that had been flying this trip with the Captain. He had called in sick. Apparently the Captain had been moving fuel with the cross feed in a way it had not been designed. It would work but there were serious risks in the unapproved procedures. In this case fuel was pushed into the wrong place resulting in the fire. Use google, Aviation Safety Network, and read the actual report by the CAB that is available with a link on the ASN.

[@rogerhuber3133]

@@georgeconway4360 Besides the location for fresh air for the combustion heater the causing factor was transferring fuel into that tank only used shutoff by means of the pumps switches. There was no automatic volumetric shut off as more modern A/C have. It meant the crew had to observe the fuel quantity and manually shut off the transfer by operating the pumps. The pumps would keep pumping into the tank until there was no fuel to transfer.

[@dan797]

Rest in peace

[@chuckg2016]

Intake downstream from a exhaust? How freaking brilliant!!

[@frigginpos]

Can you show basic drawings that explain the parts and locations of these videos please?

[@ultranav0]

It's depressing to see how pilots can get killed despite doing nothing wrong. How, all the innocent people died despite having done nothing wrong. The crew did the best they could, but it simply wasn't meant to be.

[@Blast6926]

We all die someday anyway

[@patrickwatrin5093]

​@Blast6926

[@paulkolodner2445]

@@Blast6926 As Snoopy said, "One day, we will all die. But most days we don't."

[@horseathalt7308]

@@Blast6926 Sounds defeatist to me.

[@Blast6926]

@@horseathalt7308 realist*

[@markwhitney4580]

Alec, there are a lot of copycats, but I have enjoyed your videos more. Keep up the good work, you do great.

[@ILoveLucy21.]

The Flight Channel isn't a copycat..It's been around for awhile. I like it just as much as this one.

[@jamesbolling6681]

My late father flew B17s in WW2 and flew for Pan Am . He always said "jets are for kids..."

[@Flying_Snakes]

He's right.

[@julosx]

"Jets are for kids… Save a Connie".

[@rickwoods2352]

@@jamesbolling6681 OUR GREATEST GENERATION ! 🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇸 I had the opportunity to enjoy a 30 minute ride in a P-51 Mustang at Valle Airport Planes of Fame just south of Grand Canyon. I salute your father for his service. Godspeed Sir.

[@muffs55mercury61]

I never liked jets.

[@OffendingTheOffendable]

No one talks about the DC-6 much. DC-9 is the famous one

[@SpeedyHedgieAllstars]

Wow now that reminded me of Swissair flight 111 & South African Airways flight 295 of how the plane was caught on fire on board and crashed into the ocean sea killing everyone on board and now United Airlines Flight 608 did the same thing but it was smoking in the plane and crashed into the ground and no one survived the crash.

[@paulu7751]

1) learn what paragraphs are 2) learn what a sentence is

[@scottyjohnson3120]

There's nothing worse than fire aboard an airplane, very deadly. Not only Swiss Air 111 but there was that Saudi L-1011 that actually landed but then everyone on board died in the fire. Or the Air Canada DC-9 that had a fire and made an emergency landing in Cincinnati where about half the passengers perished in a flash fire on the ground. And then of course there was Valu Jet that crashed in the Everglades in Florida killing all on board after a fire. These are but a few of many examples..l

[@erichusmann5145]

@@scottyjohnson3120 UPS out in the Emirates area, too. It's my understanding that currently, the standing first item on the checklist for any sort of fire or smoke alert is "find the nearest airport you can land at and GO LAND THERE NOW!" Which, to their credit, it sounds like these pilots tried to do.

[@scottyjohnson3120]

@@erichusmann5145 Yeah, I remember that one too. Very sad. Definitely not the pilots fault.

[@sanniepstein4835]

@@erichusmann5145 I thought the DC-6 could land on dirt.

[@OffendingTheOffendable]

Setting yourself on fire is just Taco Tuesday

[@brittishshorthair6709]

What always amazes me …you should land as quick as possible ..even considder a gear up field landing…but keeping on flying to make it to an airport ..i don’t get it.. Remember the helderberg 747 incident from SAA

[@horseathalt7308]

I agree when fire is involved and it is serious, you need to get it on the ground ASAP. Some might perish but some will probably survive.

[@JasonMcCord-qk3yb]

I’m sure they tested for this eventuality when they designed the plane: They probably had it parked on the tarmac. “ Ok, Hollis! It’s overflowing now! Oh yeah! It’s just pouring straight down….! Nothing to worry about here!”😂 👍

[@MrWhipple42]

That's a really weird engine noise. Did the DC-6 really sound like that?

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@@MrWhipple42 it's 2002 audio

[@PTMoozr]

Was there any reason they didn’t just try to put it down in the desert or on a road?

[@Flying_Snakes]

Same thought, when on fire, gotta land immediately (road, field, parking lot). Forget the plane, it's totaled either way.

[@ScrewFlanders]

The deserts of southern Utah aren't anything like the Bonneville Salt Flat. There is no flat terrain anywhere near Bryce Canyon.

[@horseathalt7308]

I wondered this too. If the fire was serious enough the plane is going to have a serious end anyway. Seems to me depending on the seriousness of the fire, better to get the plane down ASAP in cases like this. At least some might survive it.

[@TheShowblox]

You should do the Carmel mid-air collision and KLM 633

[@walkerpantera]

20 miles is like 5 minutes in the air, right?

[@georgeburns7251]

Just shows you just because some one is an engineer, they can still be stupid. It continues today.

[@Cthight]

Oh no so close.

[@aldenconsolver3428]

ANYWHERE a plane (or for that matter a car) has fuel it must be tested and design for fail safe or no fail. Besides this it appears that it would have been possible to burn up that plane just for having spare fuel, that means that tank should have been removed if it could not be redesigned

[@MrCrystalcranium]

Was there a CVR on this plane? How did they know what was said on the flight deck? Were they open miked to ATC?

[@EuroScot2023]

This happened in the late 1940s. Way before CVRs were introduced.

[@TheShowblox]

Just wondering Allec, why haven’t you switched to a more modern flight sim with better graphics? Great video tho

[@julosx]

I can't imagine a simulator able to feature and dispaly anything wrong that can happen to an aircraft, in this case white and black smoke.

[@Nobilangelo]

Modified to fail.

[@JudyMotto]

❤

[@donchristie420]

Regulations,I don’t need no stinking regulations

[@lacyrider72]

How dare you not blame Boeing . Thanks for these videos.

[@pigeonaviation801]

boeing sarcasm lol

[@EuroScot2023]

Douglas > > > McDonnellDouglas > > > Boeing. Douglas built great planes. McDonnell built great planes. Boeing built great planes. They all USED to be run by engineers.

[@horseathalt7308]

@@EuroScot2023 DEI at the whim of the NW0andWEF

[@Randomly_Browsing]

Looks like the aspect ratio is broken

[@XxMrRoachxX]

Nah its perfect on my 21:9 widescreen OLED monitor!!!

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@@XxMrRoachxX huh,so it's must be on my side

[@pigeonaviation801]

i see you everywhere lil bro

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@@pigeonaviation801 so?

[@pops1507]

"Bryce"

[@jamesmelcher9355]

It was spelled right the 2d time it came up….

[@pops1507]

@@jamesmelcher9355 Yep

[@TheHaratashi]

Fyi it's Bryce not Byrce.

[@ILoveLucy21.]

That plane is barely moving in the sky. it sounds like it's just putting along.

[@baraxor]

Twenty miles in a piston whacker airliner is a loooooooong way.

[@jacquesuntel5401]

Hard to simulate smoke and fire I guess, but interesting all the same.

[@cindysavage265]

Perfect example of former military pilots and air personnel inappropriately applying war time thinking to civilian industry. Expedience was the consideration, not safety.

[@dx1450]

Well that was just a crappy design. Did any engineers ever think for a moment that it might not be a good idea to have a fuel tank vent located just ahead of an air intake?

[@Nivola1953]

Douglas post war history record. First this design flaw, DC6 fuel can vent into cabin heating, cause 1 (?) crash and 50 people dead! DC10 a design flow in the luggage compartment latch system, it can be forced to show locked when in fact is not, resulted in 2 accidents (AA 96, 0 fatalities and Turkish Airlines 981, 346 fatalities), Engine 2 on United 232 has a un contained fan rotor failure, that causes total loss of hydraulic fluid because the 3 redundant systems are designed to run together near the engine, 112 fatalities. Than Douglas is acquired by Boeing and there are speculations that Douglas company colture of profit above all, has permeated Boeing management, contributing to the current loss of confidence in Boeing aircraft and spacecraft safety, because of the 737Max saga, the door plug installed without securing bolts and the recent debacle of their space vehicles unable to return astronauts safely to Earth. To you the conclusions.

[@youtubeis...]

wheres the smoke editor

[@gusmc01]

"No tests were done prior to certifying the aircraft..." 🤦‍♂

[@keith3970]

Stay on the ground.

[@lohrtom]

Was the aircraft repaired and returned to service?

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@@lohrtom stop joking bot or I'll report your comment

[@lohrtom]

@@Randomly_Browsingreport it for what? Don’t be such a snowflake.

[@lohrtom]

@@Randomly_Browsingoh no….not the threat of reporting me! Shiver me timbers. How do I know that you aren’t a bot?

[@Randomly_Browsing]

@@lohrtom buddy my track is a lot

[@lohrtom]

@@Randomly_BrowsingI have no idea what that means. But I’m curious, what exactly are you going to report my comment for? You crack me up.

[@tim9s]

Get rid of the music, it is very annoying and unnecessary.

[@ELCADAROSA]

Then turn your volume down ... or off.

[@pigeonaviation801]

dude the music is whats perfect with you videos,hes done it ever since his first air disaster video,been hearing it since 2019,dont be a hater lil bro.

[@jamesmelcher9355]

@@pigeonaviation801I agree the music is very well done and sets the tone. It wouldn’t be nearly as good without it, in my opinion.

[@rickwoods2352]

Keep the music, Thanks A J for all that you do. Cheers!

[@EuroScot2023]

I'm deaf so no longer have the joy of hearing any music. However, I believe someone has come up with new technology that allows the volume to be adjusted to suit one's taste. Isn't all this new gadgetry wonderful? I wonder what they'll think of next?? Maybe an On/Off Switch as well?

[@slidefirst694]

1st

[@dragoner3211]

Nobody cares

[@Randomly_Browsing]

Don't care

[@RindaJane]

Awesome 🏆 🏆 🏆 ❤