SF Princeton Reverb - Part 4

[@thesmith1526]

That thing was pushing some serious 70’s rock tones. Almost classic Ted Mulray.

[@pabcrane]

'Blimey, that sounds fab. So much better than the poor old Jimmy

[@williambock1821]

Sounds great! WGS have very reasonable prices as well. Hard to go wrong with them,really. We live in a golden age of guitar speaker availability 😊

[@K707OR30]

This sounds awesome Brad! Glad all the hard work paid off. I really dig this speaker. I have a WGS Reaper in a 1x12, pretty cool metal speaker but not my favorite. Really digging Eminence lately, I’ve had a Wizard before and a Governor and both have been fantastic.

[@stephenatgraceland]

Wow, nice sound! I am going to have to seriously consider a WGS 10C. (A 12C sounds very nice in a Deluxe Reverb, btw.) Great repair, great content, Sir.

[@erik2446]

Sounds great. The Fat Jimmys are good speakers and have a great reputation. They are manufactured by Warehouse for Fat Jimmy. I like the C1025 I put in my '68 Custom Vibro Champ.

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

Yes, the Fat Jimmys are fantastic speakers, but it appears this one has been driven very hard and now has some loose windings on the coil, probably from overheating.

[@Mark70609]

@@BradsGuitarGarage did you try contacting WGS, they are pretty good at responding.

[@bruinsgoon]

I put a G10C in my 65 RI and pulled the Jensen … better highs, better lows… lost the harsh brittleness on the top end as well as filled out the bottom… all in all, a much smoother, clearer, more articulate speaker, couldn’t be happier.

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

They are such great speakers. Them and the WGS ET10 are my favourite 10" speakers for many amps and musical styles.

[@beatbaker7420]

you pulled out jensen c10r right? have you tried jensen c10q or P10r?

[@bruinsgoon]

@ yes, it came stock with a C10r, I didn’t mind it but I always thought it was kind of harsh and brittle… especially the top end. The warehouse speaker really rounds that off well, and does lower frequencies much better. Never tried the others you referred to.

[@beatbaker7420]

@@BradsGuitarGarage doesn't it have too much low end? why would it be 75 watts? for a 10 inch? :O

[@Bluesky5553]

That speaker sounds great. Thinking about putting one in my Crate Vintage Club 20.

[@matthewf1979]

RARRGGGHH yelling into the void!! Man, the G10C and G12C are killer speakers for Fender amps. I prefer the paper former offerings from Jupiter, but I’d be happy with a stock WGS. That’s what got me interested the Jupiters in the first place.

[@goodun2974]

Yelling into the Void accomplishes nothing; the Void can't learn anything because it has nothing between its ears! 😉

[@ColeWheeler4Lyfe]

@@goodun2974🤯 mind blown

[@goodun2974]

@@ColeWheeler4Lyfe , blowning minds is a specialty of mine; It comes easily to me because mine is already there!😁

[@badmongleo]

The warehouse sound good really good. I would also recommend the Eminence Legend 1028K. It’s supposedly the same cone as the original CTS alnico speakers used in black and silver panel super reverbs the only difference being a higher power rating. I put one in my 66 SRV when one of the original cts speakers got damaged. CTS speakers became eminence so it’s the same company. They used to be dirt cheep but the prices have gone up. Really recommend them it’s a different sound than the vintage Jensen sound but a really good sound.

[@billwittman0504]

Brilliant, sounds glorious!!

[@aussiecue]

Interesting, I just dropped a Jensen C12k 100w in my old fender m80 grey carpet red dial combo. Sounds better than it's last speaker that was a black widow but I'm still not sure I've put the right match together. Had to change out the reverb tank as well so that might be what is throwing me.

[@Pstaines439]

Great video mate. I hated any Jensen in my Champ 5F1 clone, so have ended up with a V30 which sounds great to me.

[@jjrotogeek]

Sounds sooooo much better

[@jrumiano]

Brad - Sounds good, but I still detect an underlying buzz. This amp might be a case of needing a grid blocking resistor on the PI. Cheers.

[@goodun2974]

Yeah, still doesn't sound right to me either.

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

Direct on-axis mic effect. Still trying to find a go-to mic position that sounds like it does in the room for clean as well as dirty samples, but it kinda doesn't exist. Producers move the mic for different parts for this reason.

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

Direct on-axis mic effect. Still trying to find a go-to mic position that sounds like it does in the room for clean as well as dirty samples, but it kinda doesn't exist. Producers move the mic for different parts for this reason.

[@ColeWheeler4Lyfe]

@@BradsGuitarGarage one of those zoom handy recorders with an Omni mic placed where it sounds good to your ears in the room could work. Sometimes an Omni on the floor can give a good room sound! Just my $0.02! Hope it helps.

[@rebelcat420]

Sounds like typical cathodyne phase inverter breakup to me. It’s what makes the Deluxe often more preferred for drive tones over the Princeton. Not a knock on the Princeton as they do amazing clean and edge tones, but when you are pushing to the point of phase inverter breakup, the long tail pair is often preferred over cathodyne as it sounds “right” based on what we’ve heard for decades. Of course all ears are different and there are tweaks to tighten up/smooth out the cathodyne, but with anything it’s a compromise

[@willrobertsmith]

Definitely sounds better 👍

[@andrewwilliams5042]

Nice work, it really boogies

[@K707OR30]

Man let’s hope not, he put way too much work into this amp to have it come back in because of boogie problems

[@andrewwilliams5042]

IMO this dude does top notch work so I doubt it will return anytime soon. I just meant it sounded good b/c I like M/Bs despite their shortcomings.@@K707OR30

[@tomoshea5683]

REALLY nice!!

[@ianmac93]

I have bought an old 2 x 12 kustom 72 coupe amp hearing a snaring noise coming from it. One of my pals told me could be the speakers any ideas what to check on a speaker for issues.

[@BenState]

Nice work as usual man!

[@robertbarnes9745]

Great work as always Brad. I would prefer the et10, but that's just me.

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

You and me both!

[@YeatzeeGuitar]

Sounding ace!

[@Satchmoeddie]

That really sounds quite nice indeed, VERY NICE. Hard to believe that someone had WGS special design that other speaker for them. I somehow suspect that maybe WGS accidentally designed a bad speaker and then dumped it for dirt cheap onto some unsuspecting shop as a special build, rather than take a huge loss on the whole lot. They (and others) will do that from time to time. Oops, that cone combined with that coil and that motor actually sucks. I have done that one myself, a few too many times, reconing speakers. You can mix and match some (quite a few) parts. Sometimes its magic and other times it's tragic. You are rolling the dice when you try mixing stuff around like that. It's just money, time, glue, paper, copper wire, Kapton, Nomex or more paper and some more glue.

[@lordgraga]

Had a good chuckle at that thumbnail ☠️🐠

[@TRtribal]

Do you think there's merit to replacing the 10" with a 12"? I know it will definitely sound different and that it's a pretty common "mod". The ones I've seen people have replaced the baffle so as to not ruin the value of a classic amp.

[@briggsmech7038]

Thats a lot of hard work sounding awesome right there. Good job. Im going to order one of these for my sf princeton. What speaker would you recommend for a sf vibrochamp? Its hard to find good 4ohm speakers anymore.

[@jaronensley]

I thought the old speaker sounded great, just not in that Fender probably.

[@victorbeebe8372]

Aloha Brad nice amp!

[@mnemonik61]

Oh, that's immediately a HUGE improvement! I hope the FJ had an issue because the low mids honestly sounded like complete arse. Edit: omg, even the reverb sounds a million times better through the WGS 👍

[@RobbieF]

Hello Brad. I must have missed this ... was there a problem with the speaker or was it simply a bad match for the amp?

[@matthewf1979]

There was something wrong with the Fat Jimmy. It should sound fairly similar to the G10C, just with a little less bass and a smother top end. They can sound a little "boxy" in a 1x10" but not terrible. I think the frame was damaged and the voice coil got misaligned. It's easy enough to do by over tightening the mounting hardware or a rough drop in transit.

[@RobbieF]

@@matthewf1979 Thank you for the clarification.

[@TheMorganOrgan]

Like Luca Brasi

[@goodun2974]

"Runaway", used as the theme song for "Crime Story". And now I'll be hearing a Farfisa organ in my head all day long!

[@Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan]

🤗✝️

[@pietervanballaer]

I tried both the G10C and G12C in my Princeton Reverb. Conclusion: I need a G11C. 🤔

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

Try pulling the first stage bypass caps back to somewhere between 2.2-4.7uf and see how you like that.

[@pietervanballaer]

​@@BradsGuitarGarage Thanks Brad, I will give that a try! For now, I've reduced the coupling cap right before the PI to .001, same value as in a Deluxe. Seems to help a bit as wel.

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

The other thing to look into if you want tighter more controlled overdrive is to install a grid stopper on the phase inverter input. There's more detailed info available online.

[@pietervanballaer]

@@BradsGuitarGarageYesssss, already did that! Trying to reach perfection haha. Cheers!

[@BradsGuitarGarage]

Well with those changes, you should be getting pretty close! I move the PI plate supply to the unused HT node, too. Give that a try. Handing out gold nuggets here!

[@Satchmoeddie]

That felt cap is now referred to as a "harmonica" cone, because it does not kick out as much high frequency sound. Fat Jimmy speaker are made by WGS for some shifty tech/boutique builder in California. It's one of those guys who sells mod kits to idiots. Four 20 cent resistors for $12 so your Princeton Reverb can have screen droppers and grid stoppers. No names. His reasons for some of the mods are a little questionable.

[@Satchmoeddie]

And no optional grid stopper for the PI and no flyback diodes reverse biased to ground but it protects the power tubes?. How about protecting those transformer(s)?

[@DeanAlexanderCoulter]

Leave the speaker, take the cannoli.

[@baabaabaa-El]

Nice driver the WGS...gd upper mids, nice highs w/o the icepick & breaks up nicely... better than the Eminence lve got in an EL84 handwired thingo.. was l hearing a bit of Beasts of Bourbon in there!?! Don't wanna be abusive & get shadow banned Brad...but.. this channels a bastard with zero consideration for my wallet!! Luv ya work mate.

[@scottcrist0070]

Morbidly Obese Jimmy