BROADWAY LIMITED 1936 Film

[@BR-jc9xk]

This movie was made in 1940-41, not 1936. Also, the 3 bridges that are shown starting at 8:48 are over Sherman's Creek just south of Duncannon, PA, (though it appears the train is heading north away from Harrisburg), the Rockville Bridge heading east over the Susquehanna towards Harrisburg, and finally the train is shown stopping under the State Street Bridge in Harrisburg. The railroad bridges are still in use today, owned and used by Norfolk Southern and shared with Amtrak. Though the State Street bridge is at least a quarter mile north of the of the Harrisburg train station, it's possible that filming was moved a short distance so as not interfere with passenger service at the Harrisburg station, which surely would have been extremely busy during December 1940 and January 1941 when this movie was filmed. The GG-1 shown pulling out of Harrisburg and passing the nearby steel mills in Steelton, PA, was no. 4904. It was brand new, being built in 1940. Eventual disposition: scrapped.

[@sgtshultz13]

The big GG1 takes over in Harrisburg where the line is electrified.

[@vongruenheit687]

Around the three minute point the fireman is pulling a bell cord even though the bell is obviously automatic

[@ACLTony]

It's not Amtrak, it's whomever the host railroad company is. The huge spiderweb railroad track and route network that we had in the 1940s is less than 1/2 that size, with a good portion of most mainlines single tracked. A shame that President Eisehnower didn't realize he was helping to destroy the rail network when he signed the highway bill.

[@mikeggg5671]

He was an idiot. He killed rail transportation, and ushered in the era of American selfishness.

[@almeggs3247]

Beautiful. What a heritage to be proud of

[@Engineer5344]

i love this movie, thanks for posting. i even have those red star gloves that mike monahan is wearing.

[@jimstevens1726]

I was lucky enough to fire and run steam. Age caught up to me and I had to stop. The most exciting days of my life were sitting in that engineers seat and running. It was a tourist railroad.

[@kingofthepod5169]

I noticed an error. The bell sound on the engine is a crossing bell, not a locomotive bell. Automatic locomotive ringers didn't ring this fast.

[@viktordubowskii695]

Love the commercial, that starts before the movie clip .

[@manga12]

ah love the deco body on the first one. a k4 maybe, I am not big on k4s really, I like the other later ones, s1, t1, q2, and so on sure had some really famed power from the crestline to fort wayne division on the race track from van wert to fort wayne, I am from the area around fort wayne but not much left of the old prr, but it is well documented where stuff was and how big the yard was at pique the altoon a of the prr west heh.

[@jorgel.fernandeziii8278]

Shame on y’all ! Just when it starts getting good, it ends ! And what a way to pull at a true railroaders heart ! Making that K-4 start off without a problem and then having a little “Atlantic 4-4-2” finish the job ! And at 70 miles an hour, mind you ! 🌊🐺

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

That was no 4-4-2 E class at 70. That was the D16sb 4-4-0 locomotive 1223, masquerading as the 1600. She survives today at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg.

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

I recently found out that the real 1600 was indeed a 4-4-2 G5s locomotive! The one shown here is a 4-4-0.

[@jorgel.fernandeziii8278]

I had to watch the movie again only to realize that it was a (“4-4-0”), that was pulling that long passenger train with heavy weight cars ! And just like the original General “4-4-0” this little Locomotive did its job ! Therefore I take back my original comment of it being an 4-4-2 ! Apparently Joshua “Lionel” Cowen, figure it out that using a four wheel base for a basic locomotive he was able to reach out to the very poor as well ! I still believe to this day that Mr. Cowen would want every child in the world to have a Lionel Train ! As well as an investment in Lionel Trains’s is an investment in happiness !!! ♦️🌊🐺♦️

[@mikeggg5671]

I saw that - I thouyght he was trying to use the whistle! haha.

[@blairterry9435]

Cool to see the PRR Torpedo in action.

[@geoffreybradford]

I knew I wouldn't have to wait long to hear one of the characters go "saaaaayy!" . Very happy! My work here, is done.

[@TheClaudHamilton]

Blimey, that streamlined K4 Pacific sure is handsome. I sure hope the 4-4-0 wasn't too taxed with such a heavy trainload though.

[@IronhorseSara]

Shes a tough engine for sure shame only one survived and not both but glad 1223 is around to this day she more than earned her place for sure

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

@@IronhorseSara - The 1223 was the locomotive in this movie, masquerading as the 1600.

[@IronhorseSara]

@@OldsVistaCruiser actually you're right but 1600s were what they called her engine class the PRR D16 4-4-0 class

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

@@IronhorseSara - The real 1600 was a G5s 4-4-2 locomotive.

[@leslie0965]

this is pure heaven I want to work for the prr all steam in the afterlife forever

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

You just described hell. (The infernal heat inside a steam cab) ;-)

[@Moltar_Railfan]

Holy crap they actually got 1223 in this!

[@mikeggg5671]

9:04 GG1!!

[@TheClaudHamilton]

I've noticed something about that old 4-4-0, actually; it's a D16, same class as some of my favourite engines, the Great Eastern Railway's Claud Hamilton 4-4-0s, were classified under the LNER.

[@IronhorseSara]

And she's still around to this day

[@elcastorgrande]

I got to live the dream in 1976 on the Murtalbahn in Steiermark, Austria, driving an 0440 1913 Krauss Maffei through a snowstorm into Mariapfarr. Volldampf forever!

[@osdotf]

@howardkevinm I agree it sucks Amtrak can't handle the schedules steam ran 70 years ago, but the PRR didn't operate 100+mph locomotives for hours, either. In 1954, the dieselized Broadway ran the 907 miles between Chicago and NYC in 15 1/2 hrs (about 58.5 mph). BTW, Ft Wayne, where Victor McLaglen takes the 4-4-0 throttle, was located in the middle of Pennsy's blistering fast flat stretch between Englewood, IL and Crestline, OH known as "The Ft Wayne Race Track."

[@captainmorgan757]

Thank you, for the information!

[@dknowles60]

never made 15 1/2 hour , it was 16 hours for 56 mpg

[@almeggs3247]

i loved the commercial i would have loved to have that model train with missle attachments

[@WhiteCamry]

"Green on top" @ 4:25. That sounds like a NYC signal call. Why would - or how could - a PRR engineer call it?

[@b3j8]

Just "Green", or "Restricting", etc.

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

Clear. The PRR used amber position lights, 3 in a row. | = clear / = approach ‐-- = stop

[@c.c.hiliner1065]

Great Torpedo footage!

[@09JDCTrainMan]

Quite the 4-4-0

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

She exists today, under roof, in the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg.

[@paratroop24]

Didn't Hal Roach make the Our Gang Comedies and The Little Rascals?

[@captainmorgan757]

Yes. Along with Laurel and Hardy.

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 That's good to know. Still, it just goes to show that some of the old timers aren't as worn out as they look.

[@TheClaudHamilton]

You know, the Broadway Limited express seems a bit lucky in comparison with British streamliners in my opinion, in that it plays a major role in a film. None of ours ever did - not the Coronation Scot (LMS), not the West Riding Limited, not the Coronation (LNER), not even the Silver Jubilee. The only reference to those trains seems to be the A4 Pacific "Silver Link" in "Oh, Mr Porter!"

[@lesterhall6028]

Great movie, but it was too short!

[@evanf1293]

I wasn't expecting to find out this film was like 10 minutes long

[@ErichRaeder]

Is the PRR K4 faster than the DRG Class 01/03,S3/6 and Wurttemberg C?

[@JoshiProductions03]

I think the DRG 05 001 is faster when the going to their limits. But when the engines are on their cruise speed they have the same speed

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 Good point. I mean, I know that's fictitious, but at least it's got a well known class of British locomotive at its head. The only thing wrong with the Hogwarts Express, I thought, was that the engine, Hogwarts Castle, was a Hall Class mixed traffic rather than a Castle Class express engine. Even the number 5972 wasn't really in keeping with the Castle Class.

[@southernpennsyrailfan8579]

The PRR T1 Was the best of them all. Change my mind

[@The20thCenturyLimited]

Gotta love them k-4's

[@MMitchellMarmel]

Edited down to just the good bits! :D

[@RailsofMichigan]

I have one question thats bothering me. Is that 4-4-0 the 1223 that is on display at the railroad museum of pennsylvania that use to operate on the Strasburg Railroad. Cause to me it looks like.

[@mr99gto]

It is the Strasburg's 1223.

[@kevinhoward9593]

What station is the train at at 5:22?? Why did they have to change engines?

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

That was at a siding between Altoona, PA and Harrisburg, PA.

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 Something else I want to ask, actually; being a British railfan, I'm a bit curious as to why the crew were communicating to each other "Green on top" and "Yard limit".

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

Especially when the PRR did not use colo(u)r signals! They used position light signals. Vertical meant clear, diagonal meant approach and horizontal meant stop.

[@csxns]

Eisehnower knew what he was going to do,he hated railroads.

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

Ironically he bought a Lionel General and lionel brought it to him in the white house.

[@adamtain7627]

Cool! Even the PRR Torpedo is a movie star, 😔😞😭😒 it’s such a shame it and it’s sister locomotives are dead instead of museums

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

The 1361 (unshrouded) is being cosmetically restored! The 3750 sits in Strasburg, PA at the state railroad museum, although outdoors.

[@TheClaudHamilton]

You know, the thing I don't understand about the Lionel Trains ad at the beginning is that they're calling all that info "top secret" and yet they're giving it away as if they want a security leak - but then I don't fully understand advertising.

[@luislaplume8261]

The streamlined locomotive you see is a rebuilt older locomotive to look modern. Diesels using steam boiler and less water made few stops and was easier to repair and cheaper.By 1960 the big Railroads retire their steam locos.

[@leslie0965]

no way did a d16 pull all those cars

[@sprky44]

didn't the broadway limited go all the way to New York City from chicago and the trailblazer went from New York City to Chicago?

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

The Broadway Limited went both ways as Trains 28 (eastbound) and 29 (westbound).

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 It sure does. Thanks for the info!

[@andrewscolari5724]

The national speed limit for all passenger trains in the U.S is 79mph. It's been that way since 1946 after a disastrous rear end collision of two Burlington Route passenger trains in Berwin, IL. The train that rear ended the stopped train was doing 85-86 mph.

[@btomimatsucunard]

Doesn't it more depend on the track condition? I know that outside of the NEC that there are stretches along both the Southwest Chief and Lakeshore Limited routes where the trains go well above 79 mph

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

Track speed here in Levittown, Pennsylvania is 100 for SEPTA, 105 for most Amtrak trains, and 120 for Acela Express. They are working on raising track speed to 160 mph.

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

Not to mention Keystone Service between Philadelphia and Harrisburg. Track speed is 110 mph.

[@b3j8]

It was UNLESS the locomotive was equipped w/one of several versions of Automatic Train Stop. On the New York Central speed limits were 80-85. Other railroads like the Milwaukee Road routinely ran over 100.

[@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory]

This law is so dumb.

[@o484]

Yes, it is.

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 Well, I wouldn't be surprised if the old 4-4-0 managed to lift the train out of the yard without all that Hollywood stuff. There have been instances of small engines being much more powerful than they appear, like the London Brighton and South Cost A1X "Terrier" tank engines for example. They were so small that the uninitiated would barely expect them to hurt a fly - but they could still handle 100-ton trains on a regular basis.

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

A train like the Broadway was in the neighborhood of 1,000 tons.

[@kadenrobinson7067]

Did we all came here for PRR 1223

[@ErichRaeder]

How did a 4-4-0 manage to haul the Broadway?

[@astromotive6047]

Grit, Spit, and a whole lot of Sand.

[@48alfaone]

"Remember Boy", haha!

[@johnwilton1807]

Included in Prime Video

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 Okay, thanks for the info.

[@FreedomLovingLoyalist]

does any one still have the toy

[@TheClaudHamilton]

Hey, question; who exactly is/was Garbo?

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

Greta Garbo. Famous actress of the period.

[@ralphrobinson1603]

theres something called a sand box

[@TheClaudHamilton]

@sfo1164 Anytime.

[@leslie0965]

only in a moive

[@Engineer5344]

@sfo1164 yea im not trying to be rude about it. no hard feelings?

[@pahogger]

A GG-1 to the rescue!

[@OldsVistaCruiser]

Normal engine change in Harrisburg, the start of electrified territory. The GG1 took the train the rest of the way into Pennsylvania Station in NYC.

[@Poliss95]

Are those Chinese balloons they're shooting down? 😂😂

[@Engineer5344]

@sfo1164 actually it's i said my girl and she's from hollywood. it ain't garbo is it, no it ain't garbo. i don't go for bluff

[@tobygoodguy4032]

I really dig Cold War toys. Made Boomers like me so screwed up. Russia, Russia, RUSSIA. (And China too!) 🤠

[@scottbrown7415]

It's just incredible that people spent money to write produce a movie that's as stupid and wooden as this.

[@whispofwords2590]

Im sure you could do better..most people find the style of these older movies charming. Just how things were done at the time, and it beats the mello dramatic stuff we see these days.

[@Engineer5344]

@sfo1164 actually it's i said my girl and she's from hollywood. it ain't garbo is it, no it ain't garbo. i don't go for bluff