SFV Season 2 Cammy White Meaty Setups

[@champion5545]

While I do enjoy and appreciate the production value and the time put into this, I have to say that a majority of these meaty set-ups are just not practical and somewhat irrelevant. To hit hooligan in match is very situational IMO, as well as sweep. Most Cammy players I know and watch as well almost never bother with her sweep, it's widely considered to be pretty bad. And yet you dedicated up to the 4 minute mark almost solely sweep setups... The remainder of the video at least covers more common scenarios like after BNB enders (namely drill ender) but the setups are just not practical when compared to better possible options. Meaty setups should not involve any moves that are negative on block because sure if they get hit it works, but if it doesn't then your turn effectively ends. You used a lot of st. MK, cr. HP and f. HK in your setups which are all -2 on block and don't make sense to use when normals like st. MP exist (which is +3 on block now in S2). Cammy's gameplan is to get in and stay in, so I think using normals that are advantageous on block are very important for her to pressure on wakeup and to keep pressuring whether the opponent decided to press a button or just block. There were some useful setups though that I didn't know about and seem practical (uses either cr. LP or cr. MP or st. MP as the button being used to hit meaty) so I'm not trying to completely shut down your video. Edit: I just remembered but if the setups hit true meaty then it is possible that st. MK, cr. HP and f. HK end up being neutral or plus on block, but there's no info shown on that so I can't really say anything. I do wonder though.. Edit 2: Did the math for the setups that involve the normals mentioned and all of them leave you at +0 or -1 at best assuming they are all being hit as meaty as possible. It's still better in most scenarios to go for st. LK (+1 OB without meaty), st. MP (+3 OB without meaty) and cr. LP (+2 OB without meaty).

[@NurseLee]

No problem man and i appreciate your comment and thoughts. But, instead of just telling everyone my thoughts and etc. I'd rather just show it.And my goal are just simply to show that it's easier for her to score meaty setup for a simple knock down from all her attacks. Take care and Happy new years man!

[@NurseLee]

Although she did lose the ability to wake up with meter-less Cannon Spike, Her rush down game just got hella better.

[@momentie4438]

NurseLee I been waiting on you to drop this I appreciate this!!!!

[@NurseLee]

No problem and take care man!

[@DWN-024ShadowMan]

I'm trying to use some of this set ups with V-T2

[@konelee]

amazing friend...thanks!

[@iAmEchoFPS]

Amazing video , thank you

[@itsthatYEStoogoodguy]

This is crazy man! thx I'm true Cammy player!

[@NurseLee]

Yeah she's definitely going to be top tier and her pressure game just went to good from Godlike pressure. And the fact that all she needs is just one knockdown. Take care and happy new years!.

[@HitmanAvery]

Godly

[@snap_drama346]

now do you know get these to even combo when I see no counter for example the one @0:57

[@NurseLee]

The trick behind for these combos to work is understanding Frame data. There's a lot of depth so before I get into details, there's a great pro player with a KZbin channel Brian_F. I'll put a link:► kzbin.info/www/bejne/d5W4XquKr7R4j9k and this will give you visual cues on how these work, and why it's important. Cammy Details: Now the reason why these works is because of the "active-frames" of the attack. The more active-frames you have, the better the frame advantage on hit you can make, and make it safer on block. So for Cammy example @ 0:57, Her Crouching jab is +4 on block, yet it has 3 active-frames. so another way of looking at it is, " Standing Jab is +4 on block on the 1st active frame." if you land it on the 2nd active frame it will be +5 and so on... Furthermore, in the example, This particular setup will perfectly set her up to meaty her crouching Jab to be +6 on hit on the very last active frame. However, that's if the opponent decides to quick-rise after her sweep hit confirm. moreover, if Cammy lands a counter hit(Counter Hits gives +2 frame advantage on hit), The frame advantage will stack; thus, making it +8 on hit instead, and leading her to perform bigger combos if possible. This also applies to Crush-Counter mechanic as well. Hopefully this will give you ideas to explore with your characters and i hope this explains how it works. Thanks or watching and take care!

[@Poizesto]

Sick video!

[@NurseLee]

Thanks and Happy New years to you man!

[@Poizesto]

You to. Have a good one!

[@DWN-024ShadowMan]

Is it V-trigger 2 really that bad? I know this is an old video, and I'm wondering what do you think Nurse lee..

[@NurseLee]

To make a long story short, Cammy's V-trigger 2 is pretty much a lame version or if not, it's identical to Nash's V-trigger 2 Stealth Dash. And furthermore, the overall utility of Cammy's V-trigger 2 is terrible.

[@DWN-024ShadowMan]

NurseLee Gotcha, I'll keep using V-trigger one😂. I'm sure her V-T2 could have been way better.

[@Cajunspirit]

You the man!!! Thank you!!!

[@NurseLee]

No problem! And start abusing her normals because she's sooo good in season 2. Take care man and happy new years to you!

[@sageg5036]

Very helpful

[@millefune]

Why use c.LP instead of s.MP after H-Arrow > Dash? Is s.MP no longer meaty on Quick-Rise?

[@NurseLee]

You can still use s.Mp to meaty. However, i don't remember if the timing to meaty s.Mp is perfect. But, The H-Arrow> Dash > c.Lp on Quick-Rise will always hit meaty, and it will always give +6 on hit. It's just another tool for Cammy to pressure and etc.

[@dominicmoreno2187]

I can't seem to get counter hit c.hp to combo with c.mp

[@NurseLee]

dominic moreno it's all about timing and it's one of her most difficult meaty links. you must hit the cr.hp at the very last frame. on the last frame it will be +3 on hit.

[@xxiSIKNESS714]

NurseLee how did you get +3 if you don't mind explaining further I really want to know more on how frames work

[@NurseLee]

Okay so here's a Link for all characters Frame data, HOWEVER! it's not fully updated for season 2, I think most of the information is still from Season 1. So make sure to double check on the official patch notes in season 2. toolassisted.github.io/OKI/#CMY/91/37/32/1,9,3,20,crouch+HP/1,0,0,0,/1,0,0,0,/1,0,0,0,/1,0,0,0,/1,0,0,0,/1,0,0,0,/ And let's look specifically at Crouching Heavy Punch and according to the frame data: Startup is 9 frames, it has 3 Active-Frames, In season 2 SFV, It is now +1 on Hit. And -2 on block. Now It is only +1 on hit and -2 on block on the first "Active-Frame". so, on the 2nd "active-frame" it will be +2 on hit and -1 And finally on the last 'Active-Frame", it is +3 on hit and 0 on block. Overall, if you can land the attack on the last active frame, you can score stronger results for more combos with or without the counter-hit property. And technically, create even more devastating frame Traps. Furthermore, if you score a Counter-Hit on the meaty attack, it will stack on top of the attack; thus, allowing more combo opportunities. So if Cammy Lands a meaty crouching heavy punch, +3, and if it lands a counter-Hit, it will now be +5. In other words. The Maximum Value of Cammy's Crouching Heavy Punch is +5 on a meaty counter hit. And At last, I've created setups and scenarios where you can apply these meatys with Cammy and other characters in SFV. It should work perfectly or at least experiment them in the training room where you can perfect the timing. I hope this answers your question xxiSIKNESS714. Thanks for watching and take care!

[@xxiSIKNESS714]

NurseLee thank you so much your the best :)

[@MetalMaster101]

I feel like the meaty works in training. But in rank matches, I always seem to whiff and get hit by a wake up shoryuken. Then on my wake up, I get smacked with a HK meaty. So basically I get hit with a meaty as punishment for trying to land a meaty myself...wtf. >_>

[@juang8360]

Duuudeee...thank you! !!!

[@NurseLee]

lol No problem man. Take care and Happy New Years!

[@howeirdgaming4386]

Is all of this still applicable to season 2.5?

[@NurseLee]

Howeird Gaming yes. But because season 3 is on the way, these might become obselete.

[@howeirdgaming4386]

Well I just want to get the idea of meatys downpact overall. this potential that i have not seen one pro cammy player use not once.

[@NurseLee]

to make a short story simple, If the attack has many "active-frames," the results can be very significant. Thanks for watching and take care!

[@Demondzeta]

hey pal are these still good to use?

[@NurseLee]

yep they are still good. One of the reasons why i don't create videos for her is because all of these still apply. Take care!

[@McGeekSpeedrun]

" delay "are not a setup , ty

[@Demondzeta]

what is a white meaty?

[@NurseLee]

William Ocoró her full name is Cammy White. just some trivia.

[@Demondzeta]

NurseLee lol

[@vicenterodriguez2195]

como se saca el hud?

[@NurseLee]

Tun los propósitos de él para edición de vídeo.

[@편집자-d4s]

Literally one-knock-girl...

[@편집자-d4s]

Especially h-arrow meaty...

[@NurseLee]

yeah thanks to her buffs, i'm sure were going to see a lot of Cammy players in Season 2. And I don't blame them because she's really simple to play.