Both of these Marths play better than Leo's Marth IMO. Leo has better fundies but he does not have the technicality of these Marths. That's why I don't understand why people say him dropping Marth means Marth is bad. He didn't even push the character well. He was playing Lucina but with tipper instead of Marth, really. Then he tried using Lucina and lost to players ranked way lower than him so why do people still call him the best Marcina? Hopefully Astna and Riseazu will bring Marth to the US and take names. They will both cream most of the US players and put their egos in check lol