Shadowlands Easiest Melee DPS Tier List

[@Kwyn76]

Important for people to realize going in that this video is about arena and not PVE

[@Supatease]

Why need a list for pve? Everything is ez in pve. :p

[@Kwyn76]

@@Supatease lol, not gonna disagree. Many of your videos are a combinations of opinions and suggestions based on all aspects of the game. This one is more in line with your “PVP” style of videos. Most of the discussion is setups and team play. Perfect for what it is but for someone wandering in looking for “Me Mongo M+” it’s not that :)

[@cstrou4244]

@@Supatease o so hurtfull , u seem so nice but u just ripped my hearth out. Some people actualy like PVE (hate PVP) and do it high end raiding min maxing there chars for it. Can u please take PVE into consideration when making video's

[@ziggs123]

@@cstrou4244 have good gear, dodge fire, do damage. Here you have it bro

[@doesntmatter397]

@@cstrou4244 why would you be hurt by him saying it’s easy? That doesn’t say anything about the person for enjoying PvE. Raid mechanics can be difficult but that’s not necessarily class based as much as it is role based. PvE is extremely easy because there is only ONE best way to DPS for each spec and everything is scripted so you rarely have to adapt. PvP by the sole factor that there is a human on the other side makes it difficult because you have to adapt to multiple scenarios that are less predictable.

[@dyeustitan]

"Fury is the easiest specialization in the game to play" *Asmongold would like to know your location*

[@RamenDaisuki88]

Like any1 cares about that meth head.

[@macp988]

well he sucks and gets carried in every aspect of the game? so who cares

[@conorf8091]

@@macp988 he’s an actor. He’s not THAT bad really

[@ez6791]

Lmao actually explains a lot

[@n0b1rium23]

@@macp988 He used to be really good, but now he washed up. I remember in legion he had top99% parsing on all the bosses and the famous rank1 parse on mythic augur. In pvp he was always decent enough (2k). It's just he's reacting to some bullshit instead of playing the game.

[@Kronosbattlemaps]

Generally, any class where you need to kite to survive is going to be D tier in skill as your survival is based on skill not pressing a button to reduce damage or have a passive DR.

[@siiiiuuuu2912]

Pls make another one for ranged dps

[@Kmaitland89]

I second and third this.

[@Ridingthewaves305]

Just play BM hunter for ranged dps

[@Lolyssian]

Oh I bet he's already making it

[@carlinolson5026]

Destruction - frost - BM

[@Khalirei]

I definitely felt this going from fury to subtlety rogue and feral druid, I was completely overwhelmed with feral druid. I'm not even sure if I want to continue with it at all, might just make it a resto druid. I like my rogue also, but I feel worthless in a straight fight when I don't get an opener.

[@beniborukhov9436]

Doesn't fury have the same utility abilities as arms? The damage dealing part is a lot simpler but I'd think that if the utility was the reason arms got bumped down, fury would be below S tier.

[@TheShilence]

Actually I reactivated my account to play for shadowlands and somehow I feel like the game got way harder to play compared to other expansions. I played now assasination rogue for like 2 weeks and I still feel overwhelmed by keep slice and dice, rupture, garrote running and looking for ambush proccs or fan of knifes stacks. Compared to good old ICC when i only had to keep an eye on rupture and my slice and dice got refreshed by envenom and only every 2 mins i had to vanish and garrot the boss. And comparing to how the number of mechanics for each boss increases and how "hard" the specs are to play, I feel like I can only do like 60-70% of what my character is capable just because its so much I have to keep an eye on. Dont looks like this gets better with additional abilities coming into shadowlands. I remember the times when Blizzard reduced the number of spells for each class because they got to complicated to play and I would like to see this happen again to make it more "fun to play" and not making me sweat at home trying to maximize my dps while playing the bossmechanics correctly.

[@omologo95]

Heads up, this is for PvP specifically. If you struggle with maintaining Rupture/SnD in PvE, try to make a list of buttons to press. A simple example for Sub Rogue... Shadow Blades, Symbols of Death, Shadowstrike, Shadow Dance, Slice and Dice, Shadowstrike, Shadowstrike, Rupture, Shadowstrike, Shadow Dance, Shadowstrike, Eviscerated etcetcetc. Basically make a manuscript that you follow. Eventually you won't really even need to look at the time remaining on your buff/debuff. Muscle memory OPOP

[@GonzytheMage]

I think it is important to note the performance and gameplay challenges (or lack thereof) when making lists like this. Most people are probably trying to ride the line between good performance and ease of use then as you mentioned some people like to go for that more difficult class for the long term mastery of gameplay.

[@Kwyn76]

You didn’t feel he did that? It seemed to address that and answer those questions for me

[@bearinabag2448]

I think he tried to avoid “how easy will it be to push raiding on this” cu that’s just a normal tier list.

[@GonzytheMage]

@@Kwyn76 oh his video was super good and as always got a thumbs up from me. I was mainly saying it's totally fine to talk about the specs output as much as how easy it was to play, I always like to hear both opinions from people.

[@Flarkness]

awesome video supa! I'm assuming you will, but you should do one for ranged classes too!!

[@danmarshall4812]

Even though it gets a lot of hate I really wish Havoc had a bit more depth to it's strongest build. Make momentum great again?

[@dalore02]

Great analysis, as usual. Keep it up, you help all of us and we thank you for that.

[@Drakshl]

I don't know about PvP specifically but if it's anything like PvE as a Ret paladin there is a notable difference between decent damage and people who actually play the class well. Because all of its builders have cooldowns and you don't want to clip any of them ther is actually alot of timing involved in doing optimal Ret damage and if you just Facebook the keyboard your doing mediocre damage compared to what you could be. Idk if this changes the ranking but is worth bearing in mind

[@ridesevenc5253]

The only thing you got wrong was the Unholy Death Night. You forgot the pet kick management and necrotic strike isn't something a new player is going to know how to use right away, because it doesn't even exist in pve so they won't have any idea on how to utilize it without more practice.

[@flyingmatteo89]

I'm surprised that ret pally isn't an A or even higher. You literally have 4 skills to press in no particular order, basically whatever comes off CD, and 2 ways to spend holy power offensively either single target or multi target. Yes you do have a very high amount of defensive and utility CD but those are not part of the core rotation.

[@dorout1]

It's a disgrace what blizzard did to the Warrior and DK classes. Arms is still okay, but man... bring back stances. It made both classes so much more enjoyable and exciting.

[@BasedChadman]

Made me really sad presences weren't reintroduced for dks. I'm just glad I can still talent defensive stance on my warrior at least.

[@Flowerz__]

This videos entire purpose is to make claak feel good about himself

[@nickm8389]

Solid list. I think I would have put UH DK in C, but it was clearly a close debate between B and C for you.

[@grandenius1337]

Indeed, positioning your pet for focus pet kicks etc is something you dont learn in a day i would say. Which definitely differs Unholy from ex. assa or ret :)

[@stanm3052]

He definitely should have put it in the C tier. As someone who plays a lot of melee dps (only one I don't play is survival hunter), I would say Unholy is considerably more complex than Ret paladin, and slightly below Outlaw rogue in terms of complexity. His first instinct was correct. I probably would have put Windwalker monk into C tier as well, but admittedly I don't play that spec as often as other melee ones, so perhaps my mastery / understanding of it is lacking, and I'm just missing somethings I don't even know I'm missing, thus judging the spec unfairly. Those things aside, I do agree with the tier list.

[@bi0lizard1]

I mained DK in BFA. (Not Maining it in SL) I think Unholy belongs in the C tier. It’s mechanics and rotation are clunky, and unintuitive.

[@stanm3052]

@@bi0lizard1 Agreed. I played a lot of unholy in BFA (was one of my fav specs, will probably continue it through SL as well though) and yea it's not just something you pick up and play like some other specs.

[@ottodora9515]

Appreciate your vids man, keep it up. After 10+ years on private servers now Im finally picking up a feral on retail.

[@leoncloud6683]

I played both feral driud and windwalker, i agree that they have high skill cap esp feral which makes it fun to play for most ppl!

[@bb90flow]

Supatease which melee dps would you recommend to main for shadowlands, rogue or death Knight?

[@dapeng1919]

Great video! Great content, it helps me choose specs to play, just started a assassin rogue.

[@Rich-in6ds]

A very useful video. I wanted to play sub as an alt but I've realized the skill FLOOR is too high to have much fun on it as an alt I play casually/occasionally. I might look at something like unholy instead which strikes a good balance between interesting and not too taxing to learn. Main disadvantage of UH being it's pretty weak in BGs.

[@zerashy]

So, I appreciate this metric, but I look at "difficult to pilot" as a comparative question. I find it hard to believe that in that sense you could have the highest number of classes be in the hardest tier. Any thoughts on this or am I just an idiot? :P

[@Crowback354]

genuinely dont see how WW is high skill cap. It has extremely easy to setup burst windows, very easy utility, infinite mobility, strong defensives, high consistent damage and insane burst. At best WW is in the A tier for easy.

[@ondamixtape]

what is the best class with the best easy/strong ratio ?

[@BasedChadman]

Fury Warrior

[@ondamixtape]

@@BasedChadman fury is weak in arena

[@K33SKAAS]

Demon hunter i guess. They can do high dmg and are well among the easiest classes.

[@saigudbai]

Hmm... This must explain why I like Fury warrior so much. Face roll=win. Actually, I think they are fun in random BG chaos when you are playing solo.

[@hunterwhite786]

Good video as usual supa. One thing I disagree with, is Unholys placement. I’ve only been 2k on unholy but all I’ve ever seen unholy DK do, on my main, from 1600-2600 is just W key someone spam every offensive CD, and basically just press AMS as an auto response to first poly on their healer, and AMZ just as an auto response for a magic CD from enemy. I think it’s pretty A tier. But that’s just my experience from it

[@LazyPanda10]

I regret using my boost on Druid. Said I was gonna finally pick up feral but......

[@Jonasz314]

This kind of explain why we don't see too many Jungle teams in Arena. They're super fun to watch though :)

[@jungle_hardware]

I think warr is way simpler compared to ret and unh. All your cds and peels are global. Managing a pet that is your main dmg source and peeling your team with everything ret has is so complex.

[@timrubenacker1408]

Hey man I really liked this tier list( I'm trying to get my son into playing he's only 8 and your list lines up well with what he has tried and is doing well with.) Do you have any plans of doing one for ranged dps?

[@tayloroids]

tim rubenacker your son might enjoy beast mastery hunter 😊

[@timrubenacker1408]

@@tayloroids thanks we will try it. Right now he's rocking demon hunter

[@solaris736]

I do actually disagree with Fury, especially with the baseline changes, playing to a high level takes a lot more work. For cc, keep in mind, one is talented, but if running in pvp, you'd need it anyways, but Stormbolt I believe its called, is a ranged stun, that would put them equal to dh cc counts, so a baseline interrupt, aoe fear, and a ranged stun, also though they have an aoe slow, as well as st slow, if pvp talented then disarm as well, but not best in 100% of situations, reguardless though, with the baseline changes in terms of talents, using the "new" abilities to their fullest potential takes a hell of a lot more time to get well. In general, you need to do your dmg in enraged windows, as well as with recklessness when able, that and making sure not to over cap ur rage are extremely important for any legitimate output, those are basic mechanics for fury of course, but using the full kit along with performing well are definately not the easiest. In terms of the "new" abilities baselined, shattering throw is obvious, but with a 5m (I believe) cooldown, you've got to be careful when using it, 0 rage, no cds, and trying to zone out and focus down a target solo, then used? that wouldn't be a great time, but I suppose it all depends on the target. With ignore pain and intervene, knowing when u can reliably and I guess I should say, freely use ignore pain in the correct situations as well is something that heavily relies on if nothing else, basic class knowledge, and for intervene, its not as hard, but knowing the situations to properly use it on your partner, especially when it's a healer, or someone stunlocked, is not always the easiest, since it could chunk you if not prepared I suppose it's all subjective, and I like vids like this where u get to hear information, and opinions of that information like difficulty levels and such, makes things more interesting, good vid mate

[@bi0lizard1]

Your videos are simply THE very best out there atm! I can’t stress enough how helpful they are to me! You are without a doubt my personal favorite WoW KZbinr !!!

[@michaelkennielsen1422]

Could you please elaborate on this being made for pvp in the title. Its fine to make pvp videoes but when you make very niche content like this its nice to at least tell people that.

[@roflret]

The video was about low skill floor; next video you can do S= high skill ceiling!

[@JS-skankhunt42]

Good list. Would just have put arms Warrior A or B, PAL A and unholy C.

[@SatansRoyalBoner]

Maybe it’s me, but I always found Unholy much harder than an arms warrior purely because of the pet, sure in SL warrior is a bit harder but I’d agree UH should be C

[@l_Nightbot_l]

@@SatansRoyalBoner Agree. Arms is not that hard imo. I've gotten glad on both in the past. Pet managment can be tricky but doing it right saves games.

[@gala5000]

ret is actually c tier its probably one of the harder melee behind sub/feral

[@l_Nightbot_l]

@@gala5000 Managing ret support correctly can change games around. I agree ret can be tricky. You need more buttons for your support spells now. And knowing when, how and who to burst/support require skill and game awareness

[@l_Nightbot_l]

Unholy could be D tbh. Pet is amazing if you truly know what you are doing. WW is not even close.

[@Ridingthewaves305]

I met a really geared ww monk while leveling, his friends was power leveling him thru dungeons but he had literally NO clue how to play the spec.He did less dps than the tank and the disc priest. He only used Fists of fury twice and only because i was screaming at him to do so. So yeah WW monk is definitely not new player friendly at all

[@yusifagayev6337]

Nice list, but I would put feral on E, and swap frost and fury.

[@MakeItSoundGood]

Bruh sub rogues definitely require, as you say, some finesse, currently lvling up an alt and looking at the kit you could say they can do a bunch of different stuff.

[@EngineerSTG]

As someone who plays both I would defiantly swap Fury and Havoc

[@Kwyn76]

Even if they have no clue about setups lol

[@Ohmagawdjr]

Why defiantly though?

[@Kwyn76]

@@Ohmagawdjr fight the power that opposes a fury/havoc swap

[@keenzbeanz6706]

Exactly.

[@AkkarinRothen]

Cool... now my keyboard broke...🤕

[@balsrsagging781]

Great video brother keep up the good work.

[@wyattgubersky9683]

I agree with all of them except survival, for me its just clicking 123 and I suceed

[@goodreason3123]

Kinda agree with everything except windwalker

[@ziggs123]

WW definitely one of the hardest classes to play. Very squishy, no big immunity like rogue, need very good game awareness to kite/setup

[@keenzbeanz6706]

Havok is the easiest. Literally 3 buttons.

[@dylanchavez7498]

If you only use 3 buttons as a dh you’re a doorknob

[@keenzbeanz6706]

@@dylanchavez7498 Ok, sorry, 4 buttons.

[@keenzbeanz6706]

@@dylanchavez7498 But play what you have fun playing. Fuck everyone else.

[@DerBierSchmeisser]

21:05 when asperger comes up

[@AnthemTD]

would love to see this for BGs

[@vincenzomusella5363]

nice, waiting for the ranged one

[@casinoz8013]

I don't think the UHDK gets you very far without some pet management. Pet move > kick for example. Death strike nerf means you will need to pool runic power, lichborne and death coil yourself -- what noob is gonna do that? If you're new, you're likely to not even re-summon your pet if it dies. Abomination placement is a slight layer of skill in itself. Face rolling definitely wont get you very far. UHDK is a snap pick C tier and arguably D tier. (Btw i play a restosham so i dont have a UHDK bias. ive dabbled with UHDK and know what it requires to be successful with it)

[@Idkmanlemmeedit]

RIP to my feral class once again

[@Brumfield85]

Please add time stamps.

[@vincentpare7393]

Really good video! Thx :)

[@drioood]

this is kinda wierd. hearing others say retri has the most tight and difficult rotation in shadowlands to keep up and yet your view of it is smashing head into keyboard

[@NothingCoherent]

You place arms as more difficult because of spell reflect / intervene, then don't even mention that fury has those too. I agree fury's rotation is one of the easiest, but there's no way it's easier to play than a demon hunter

[@keenzbeanz6706]

It's not.

[@K33SKAAS]

I play both for fun in bgs sometimes and fury is way easier because selfheal is much bigger as of now.

[@l_Nightbot_l]

To make it even more easy go Horde.

[@zacharysmith7514]

Is this only speaking about pvp?

[@Behemoth92]

A video about DH, nice haha

[@vincenzomusella5363]

yea the only easy one, amirite?

[@Pataflafla13]

Love your videos bro

[@darthroes]

Havoc dh should be S-tier

[@keenzbeanz6706]

Yep.

[@driiifter]

Frost: low cap, high ceiling. Unholy: high cap, low ceiling.

[@Ohmagawdjr]

I'm sorry, but how is fury any different than arms? I'm a warrior main and both specs play the same way. When I switch between them I see no difference whatsoever. The abilities are mostly the same, and the ones that aren't follow the same concept anyways. The only difference is fury self heals, while arms reduces healing on your target. The gameplay itself is identical. Frost is the easiest spec to play in the game, followed by fury, arms, and havoc.

[@ronin7590]

I am glad the specs I main are warrior, uhdk, ww and sub rogue

[@vincenzomusella5363]

some easier specs are fun too

[@omologo95]

@@vincenzomusella5363 Yeah, specs don't need to be hard to be fun.

[@tomass3012]

idk why cuz i ususally dont care about facecams but yours feels too small great video though

[@BonoFreshMusic]

Hmmm strange...there are classes with less buttons like DH, DK, etc.

[@jakobkutela1615]

is this pvp or pve?

[@MrValetol]

Pvc

[@vincenzomusella5363]

all his videos are about pvp unless he says he's considering more than that

[@EngineerSTG]

Most classes are not easy to play is what I got out of this and honestly, I agree.

[@Kwyn76]

Not in PVP anyway :)

[@Bahumet22]

Now do easy tanks and easy heals

[@Cogbyrn]

Couldn't help but laugh at the analysis of Arms and its new utility, then Fury gets handwaved away like you won't press those buttons because zug. But is zug the optimal utilization of the spec, or do you still need to use all of your tools? Really a throwaway analysis. I usually enjoy these vids more, but that was disappointing.

[@jurgensauce1994]

I think the joke is fury optimization is easy, and everyone knows it, including you

[@Sandz_]

How could you be so personally hurt by his analysis? Lol.

[@Cogbyrn]

If you think laughing in mild disappointment is a sign of personal emotional hurt, you have some emotional learning to do. Not that I expect the internet to understand feelings, just a weird comment to make, my man. Otherwise, even Havoc DH saw its day in court. Talk about how Reck isn't the go window CD that Avatar+CS is, and that Arms has far more complex utility PvP talents than Fury, which leaves Fury simplistic even with its wide toolkit. Anything other than "lol meme spec, go zug, ez". I just like real analysis over memes, and the rest of the vid was great. As a learning video to compare specs, it did a horrible job in just that one regard. Felt out of place is all.

[@AdrianPothead]

There we go, salty fury player.

[@filipfenix]

Ret is S+ , it is known. And monk is deeply in to A

[@ChefDevno]

No it isn’t haha... as someone who plays arms and ret they honesty seem equally as difficult. Both should Be A or B.

[@Banditou]

Outlaw is harder than subtlety imo

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

We all know that begineer and casual are gonna choose to play RMP

[@nickalden3193]

Can u play Fury ? Just to see LOL Spoiler --> He's gonna be last DPS because u obviusly dont know the class

[@2pacMemories]

Press whirlwind every 2 attacks and 123 123 123. As an ex warrior main, the new fury is garbage braindead healbot spec.

[@nickalden3193]

@@2pacMemories Lmfa link u're log just to see

[@omologo95]

@@nickalden3193 I'm not sure if you realize it or not, but... This list is specifically for PvP. Logs doesn't matter one bit in PvP.

[@zergin247]

You need to stop saying words with P in them, or turn your base down. Lol

[@cstrou4244]

I love ur clips but Fury in S and Arms in C? And DH harder then fury? .....Come on

[@johnalvar1162]

Yeah i know dh is the most mongolic spec of all

[@peiyo]

Survival D!? Looool

[@Brau1589]

LOL Windwalker D tier, yeah right.... must be hard mastering the skill of running away.

[@dzinx0rrr]

perhaps that is why ww monk is D tier for it may be hard for some people to comprehend his offensive capabilities ;)

[@vincenzomusella5363]

yes, if you can kite as a melee, that's one more think to know when to do and how to do. that's an argument he used for dk as well. also, that's not all there is to judge, the sheer rotation of monk is one of the least "cookie cutter", cd management, setup.. so yeah

[@Kwyn76]

Heh. It would appear that it is “D” for you if that’s your perception of what makes a good WW

[@ziggs123]

Kite/heal/burst setup/awareness. As WW in high rating, you need everything

[@omologo95]

Yeah, it actually is hard to mastering the skill of running away at appropriate times. If you find that surprising, then I don't know what to say.

[@hankmartin9455]

Love the content man, but I disagree with ranking based on difficulty. When you love a class it becomes the easiest to play, straight up. I took to sub rogue like a fish to water but I cannot for the life of me play a fdk or dh correctly.

[@michaelzajac2967]

Arma the same skill row as ench hahahahahahahhaahhah dude xd delete wow

[@ClarixTV]

Ayo first

[@vincenzomusella5363]

third i guess

[@johnalvar1162]

Unholy beign easier than Arms warrior??? Arms warrior is faceroll spec unless you 1v1 pvp wich is really Hard with an arms warrior but for pve is so easy A tier for me i have mained arms warrior for a while, you make good videos man but arms beign harder than unholy i just can't take that.

[@treevsgtar]

Unholy is pretty easy too tho to be fair

[@ziggs123]

Noone is even talking about pve