[Shadowverse] DUELS DUELS DUELS - Rotation Reanimate Shadowcraft Deck Gameplay

[@DaLittleBull]

I was wondering why I wasn't enjoying the meta as much and Igni's "rant" helped me realize. It's true, most of the time it feels like either everything went wrong on my end or everything went wrong on my opponent's end and whether I win or lose barely depends on what I do. Lindworm for Dragon, Shrine for Haven, Reanimate for Shadow, Puppets for Portal... All of those just want to get their wincon ASAP and hope you can't do anything about it. There seems to be no safe way of playing defensive and it results on the big difference on going 1st vs going 2nd.

[@caramida9]

Yay... I've been trying out a mordecai reanimate deck... good to see a more refined list.

[@TheSalmonPink]

I added 2 Proto Bahamut into my reanimate shadow deck since sometimes Mordecai likes to hide in the bottom 20 of the deck, I find it makes the deck a lot more consistent.

[@BehindTheCard]

Just Tenko Shrine

[@deowolf7765]

Behind The Card hey I just noticed your name. Wanted to say hey and I love your content.

[@Bycofd]

F*cking card :(

[@whately3178]

Tenko go online too fast

[@ixilefjr.7110]

even mordecai cannot fight againts tenko

[@ranjeetmandaar869]

Feeling blessed by finding this video.

[@chrismiller2313]

I've been using Puppets since yesterday, incredibly fun and gets me a decent chunk of wins. I absolutely hate facing Haven with any deck since it's just not fun. I don't know where the meta is heading towards but I hope stuff gets figured out soon. Edit: I also feel like some classes were definitely more favoured in this expansion which gives major RoB-ToTG-WD vibes...

[@trueblueclue]

You're not the only one. I've been seeing this coming since the end of CG and since cards like DLF got revealed.

[@kamalanair427]

Amazing editing bro.

[@scrainscarlet4605]

yeah its true that all the deck now feels kinda draw dependent. even midrange sword need to draw on curve. but the cards from expansion are pretty good though ,i think what we need now is some deck to shut down heaven and sword which are the two biggest menace on ladder now. as for lindworm, that one is just spray and pray hope they dont lindworm u on turn 6 or something, cant do much there.

[@w4t894thwl3r]

So, uh, we'd need something to stop lindworm as well.

[@mr.gardevoir3204]

Play haven or portalcraft then if u hate Lindworm. It just that simple.

[@Ajfaruzzi]

Nothing like a little Tenko shrine god draw to really get the salt flowing, I think it’s the speed the current meta plays at makes the draw rng so painful. If you’re not setup by turn 5-6 you’re dead

[@longtrinh3410]

I guess Cygames has forgotten that Forestcraft is a thing.

[@deowolf7765]

Unlimited is hell right now so be careful

[@deowolf7765]

Also I as agree on it being early but I also feel like this set was bad... sword got the best in my opinion

[@deowolf7765]

One last thing that was lingering in the back of my catacombs of a mind is Spartacus. The only deck in unlimited that has one punish, o wait..it doesn't. Seriously it rules unlimited in my eyes and the only thing that can come close to scaring it is aggro if it can get a good start. It has no con only pros and it beats out the draw issue. I'm a haven main second dragon but if I can't deal about 12 plus damage by turn 6 or 7 to put on pressure the deck wins. I hate sword for that reason. People complain about my wife's shrine but we all have answers to it. Spartacus there is no answer. The deck runs everything to stop you and again unless you're a perfect aggro its game. I agree rng draw is a thing that sucks I have that convo every day with 2 others but when that is all your deck is to win... I come from mtg hearthstone and other games were no card to draw was death, this kicks it hard in the nuts and laughs. After 5 games 4 of them being sparta sword and not able to keep pressure I dropped unlimited and came back to rotation. I'll deal with shrines lions and w/e else for now. Forgive the rant just wanted to get it off me. I know it's hard to keep balance in ccg or tcg but there comes a time were those who make there crap should test there crap as well as see how and what it does everywhere.

[@TheDragon105]

yeah the tenko shrine in unlimited is even worse and frustrating lmao

[@deowolf7765]

Leaf Unity it is 100% agreeable. I love my wife but God is it rough in the mirror

[@ich3730]

but mtg has its own card to break the "no card in deck equals death" rule, its called laboratory maniac and is played in multiple formats :3

[@aleksanderbergerseter6545]

what cards should i try to start with?

[@joegriesbach2880]

I doubt Cygames will nerf anything for another two month becuz in their eyes the meta is "balanced"

[@Rin-ix9dl]

everything in this new expansion is not balance anyway, why would they

[@joegriesbach2880]

VenuS SparK well portalcraft and runecraft and shadow are balanced. This meta right now is more of a combo meta. Last expansion was a midrange meta. Only deck didn't really change that much was swordcraft.

[@Llucius1]

I am glad to have seen this video , I am currently new to the game , but I do think there are things that can be modified from this deck list. I would definitely add in more different cards to the list (If I got them), like Gremory and staircase to paradise (maybe 1-2). I currently only have just enough cards to build this deck for a bit =P (But the combo sure is fun)...But I do made some changes and just different card to get me the drawing game... dark alice + mail of obliteration + hinterland goul...after you got the modercai in the grave , you can just run through the normal combo , but this additional combo might take more turns , but I don't really think we have much turn in the current state of the game.

[@Llucius1]

For reference , I use the Gigas x2 (combo with Poisoned Apple of Rebirth x1) as kind of a substitute to the modercai (but I find that there will be a problem if the Death Dragon Caller is in the grave), I also use Hresvelgr x2 and Hell's Unleasher x2 , then I changed the 2 cost gold card with Bone Bug (hopefully with get more health also the Lady Grey and Everdark Strix have the healing effect as well). I also added a Gloaming Tombs x1 and Golden Casket x1 and Skeleton Orge x1. I don't really believe in the number of 3, I think there are cards will just enhance the deck if they appears , if they don't appears then that's also alright. Finally , I added a Eggsplosion x1(would change to Mist of Extinction when I get my hands on it), I find this card very useful in the Late games , just to clear out the field. I think adding a Proto Bahamut is also a good idea, that will work for the reanimate combo, also to clear board.

[@Llucius1]

I got a Twilight Queen today , and I found that it works on Modercai Last word effect as well, and yeah, destroying 1 gives you 2 in return =D

[@Crossel187]

I definitely agree that the draw rng is the main culprit of the lack of motivation and fun with the game, currently. It definitely feels like the decks are mostly figured out, so it just comes down to who can get their system online first. Because of this, Shrine Haven ends up becoming the epitome of the power of draw rng, due to its powerful curve play from turn 3 all the way up to 6. Unless you're specifically countering this sort of thing, that's pretty much nail-in-coffin, just for getting queued against them. And even then, you still need to draw it, much like they do, and we're right back to square one. I think the main issue is that most of the current decks are basically lite combo decks, where you pretty much NEED one or two cards to win the game. Everything else in the deck just builds toward that, not really able to win on their own... And I can't believe I'm defending this, but at least the old Midrange Shadow didn't NEED Eachtar to win. It was a powerful card, to be sure, but not necessarily the absolutely-must-draw-to-win card that seems to plague many of the current decks.

[@Aureliaven]

Proto Bahamut is a great card for Reanimate, sometimes I prefer to Burial Rite it over Mordecai against decks like Forest and Sword for that continuous board clear. Also the Accelerate really helps because Shadow lacks board clear. Reanimate really needs that consistency or else it's just a highroll deck that relies on drawing Mordecai in the top 15 cards. That "draw win condition or lose" problem you mentioned can be alleviated if you don't build your decks around 1 key card.

[@sarthakdhyani2389]

5:40 I think he said "it turned out alright" or something but at first I heard "futanari" P.S. English is Not my first language.

[@masajus1]

I love Tenko deck as player of Dragon and Forest, its so easy to deal with:)

[@fhadi1309]

Other Reani Player => Just Like Your 1st & 2nd Clip Me => Just Like Your Last Clip :')

[@SuitCoatGuy]

De la Fille? What's that? I renamed that card a long time ago to De La Bullshit. Also, good luck with unlimited if you go there.

[@Starxsword]

For this deck, you might want to add 2 Proto Bahamuts to increase consistency. Either re-animate targets would be fine.

[@Pivotcong2000]

Looks like I’m gonna hide in Arena for the moment after seeing the meta like this

[@ghsdftfm]

lol if you want a meme deck maybe you could try hinterland ghoul + ptp + gloaming tombs its pretty fun when you have five cards in play, and each of them deal 6 damage to every enemy

[@justacomment2740]

I’ve been thinking the exact same thing about the meta. I think most people have.

[@Ken-bt4rn]

Can Aggro bats even win? I kinda like the deck, but get wrecked nearly every single game.

[@chrisstans9606]

Sasuke I've never won a game with them either.

[@gabrielzanini5383]

I'm having pretty good results with it on AA0 rank. It can suck if you draw badly, but I'm on a 5 match winstreak with the list I created, so I'd say yes.

[@Ostinato-Obbligato]

You NEED the right curve out and for your opponent to draw bad. Blood dailies are hell.

[@Rin-ix9dl]

u lose vs control deck, but you have to get perfect curve, T5 T6 old blood king and bloodkin+talon+gift

[@scones9294]

Hey igni, in your opinion what metas in Shadowverse were some of the best in terms of that whole "draw rng" thing?

[@chrismiller2313]

SFL was probably the most fun I've ever had with the game, amplified in months 2-3 of the expansion.

[@mckimsinfire]

I started at SFL month 2 and it was a wonderful experience. The deck cost was way lower so I had 3 different top tier decks F2P on my second month of playing.

[@sachariel6951]

What's really interesting about your rant is that actually, some group of people are happy that BotS is a more balanced ToTG, mainly when it comes to the evolve abilities. I actually agree with them that the set is pretty "not broken", although there is a significant abuse with Tenko Shrine, which I hope will get more counters with the mini-expansion. I am personally just happy that Puppet Portal became more rounded.

[@ichigo82999]

Couldn´t agree more with you. It feels like people are expecting to go ham on their matches with unfair new combos everytime a new expansion is out, but now that it is not broken it does not feel "interesting" to them any more. While it sure is not fun to play against tenko if they draw it turn 4 you can´t argue that their deck isn´t shit when they don´t have it or it is in the last 20 cards.

[@vision4860]

I honestly don't think all the salt over Shrine is warranted. Yeah it's really good but people overreact way too much, it's not OP (definitely no pre-nerf Eachtar or Golden Lion).

[@sidi6020]

Sacha Riel i totaly agree with you and i am Also really happy that puppet portal is geting New cards to support it, plus i think puppet portal is the most intresting archtype of the whole game ( i even got more than 14 wins in a row with it )

[@Rin-ix9dl]

Temple is slowly taking over Shrine since shrine depends on the amulet to do stuff, without that u basically lose, while temple doesnt need the amulet, all you need is use crystal and get more crystal from peaceweaver/prism swing

[@ildesu789]

Your deck lacks proto Bahamut my man, you can't just rely on mord. Also if you want to shit all over tenko just run midsword with charlotta.

[@tomasthepolishtrain5562]

Shoud have named it its time to D-D-D-D-DUEL , but nice video and list igni also chimera when

[@alexlee1951]

Plz can anyone help me I want to make another deck ( I am using sword now ) should I make Lindworm ,lion or tenko ?

[@masajus1]

make something new and suprising

[@TheChocoXCheese]

The difference between this meta and ToTG seems to be that the old expansion had singular cards that were ridiculously overpowered, while this expansion has card interactions that are ridiculously overpowered. Tenko Shrine + Whitefang Temple/Fille is busted, but each card is manageable on its own. Ferry + Mordecai is busted, but each card is manageable on its own. Zooey + Lindworm is busted, but... well both of them are kind of unfair, but it's basically just runecraft's no interaction playstyle invading dragoncraft. But my point is that the overpowered finishers in each meta deck are combos, instead of one card that you slap down to win. So, if you just don't draw your combo, and the opponent does, you're fucked.

[@bireland2012]

I don't mind this expansion too much, not my absolute favourite expansion but still better than some of them. The thing I don't like about this expansion is how you feel forced to run amulet destruction in every single deck, that's probably not going to change though unless Tenko or it's activators are changed in some way though.

[@AbyssArray]

Meta is more or less Control or Combo right now, I've been having pretty good success with Sword and Puppet Portal because I'm just trying to overpower them before they can setup. Even been doing some Hippogryph/PDK style dragon isn't all that bad.

[@Rin-ix9dl]

Sword counter tenko and jor, dragon knights is very strong T8

[@niw9180]

"Duels have no end"

[@Mace8761]

I like and hate the meta at same time: Good thing is almost every class have a place in meta game - Tenko heaven, reanimate shadow, midrange sword, puppet portal, lindworm dragon, spell boost rune, bat blood, only poor forest didn’t seem to have a strong deck But Haven still have their BS conditional 7pp 77storm, Tenko shrine is a hassle to deal with, heaven is able to banish many powerful last words cost efficiently while having count down amulets that have no answer to deal with As a Shadow main, spamming Mordecai early is fun but also felt disgusting, feels like bully other class EXCEPT heaven because they are the only class can consistently banish my cards Puppet/Bat/Lindworm/Lion/Spell boost: let me set up a good turn while chipping your health away, then POOF you are gone Rune, can we have a little more interaction other than watching you spell boosting your hand? Sword is tempo driven, nothing to saying, personally don’t hate this kind of thing Give some love to forest (or maybe not, who knows), and give back Arisa’ original English voice plz (although very likely never going happen, man I miss that energetic voice, almost forgot how she sound)

[@sejama6625]

*sigh* i still remember the old days where running 1 to 2 or even no legendaries still makes a meta-viable deck...oh those were the days... i mean there is aggro sword but let's just skip that one...

[@ildesu789]

SeJaMa lion haven

[@damarhaps8852]

I play aggro sword with the banner amulet and it's great

[@bmarti7998]

the days when you can climb the ladder with a deck that costs less than 10k vials. when we complained about dragon smacking people with their wallet. nowadays the average deck costs ~60k vials in rotation which is why I like that lion haven is a tier 1 deck while being much cheaper than every other deck out there.

[@Rin-ix9dl]

same goes to aggro blood, no legendary needed

[@masajus1]

Aggro Forest also dont need legends to win, in my deck i use one legend i got from pack

[@guilhermegigeck5946]

You know what is better than rotation or unlimited? Private matches with friends where only junk decks is allowed. Too bad core cards of my Frostfire Dragon deck rotated out.

[@joegriesbach2880]

I just love who this meta is if you don't draw this specific card you just lose. Either you draw the combo cards or ur opponent does and that is just stupid.

[@atonomusxul9897]

Hopefully the new expansion turns out better. BTW you should play Hitherland ghoul shadow for the memes in unlimited.

[@Rin-ix9dl]

you gonna get rekt before u get 30 shadows

[@atonomusxul9897]

VenuS SparK Running Altered fate and all of Shadows card draw does alot of work. Also, Deathly Tyrant, Atomy, and Aisha helps you get the pressure, pure damage, and shadows you need. TBH, I have probably won more games with tyrant than Hitherland, as he tends to get destroyed immediately.

[@nohzro]

I think Tenko should do 1 damage instead of 2. That seems like a decent nerf to me.

[@AkaTrios]

I also like the idea of upping the cost so it doesn't come out so early. Reducing the damage to 1 is the most popular thought though. Personally, as a Tenko player, that would even be fine as you still have big booties to bring on the table for the missing damage.

[@Davus77]

Or maybe make tenko shrine work like cannon, where it deals damage based on the heal? It makes some cards like Curate and Healing Prayer a bit stronger, but it will tone down De la Fille and Whitefang Temple and such

[@mr.gardevoir3204]

Naa rising it cost to 5 while keeping it 2 ping damage are more balance than reducing it damage to 1. What make tenko unbalance is her cost. Imagine if support cannon were cost 4. I bet it will become meta instead of memes.

[@nohzro]

Mr. Gardevoir Thats sounds reasonable too. If they go that route, I hope it doesn't become clunky to play in a deck because of the cost though.

[@blackzecker9186]

make forrest deck please....

[@masajus1]

yes i agree

[@KATAKURIENJOYER]

Waiting for the Tenko nerf so i can go back into the game.

[@leoaltivez7161]

Dude that deck needs more draw engine

[@vision4860]

Hold up... We just gonna gloss over the fact that the Shrine player used *Temple* at 20:55? The heck is *that* about?

[@ckueckman]

Sai Prime it's an alternate wincon with the heavenly Knight for reach, specially now that people tech amulet removal for Tenko.

[@joegriesbach2880]

Sai Prime some players play temple so they can have holy knight and run it in for 7 damage, becuz tenko shrine really doesnt have a win condition other than pinging their opponent to death.

[@georgesorin650]

Shadowverse is a GOOD game

[@georgesorin650]

its not

[@jriflen8230]

First, damn its 12 AM and i still haven't finished my work. welp, lets do this right Edit: damn was I late?

[@DJjuwonXLR8]

The problem with this meta kind of going along with your rant is Havencraft has gotten too much support. Super boring gameplay where healing every single turn with basically no down sides. Even last expansion before we had Tenko Haven, Summit Temple Heavenly Knight Haven decks we're just as boring and draw dependent on them having Summit Temple or not. That's the way i see it anyways.

[@serialies]

I tend to find corpselord useless, underworld ruler seems to serve better, with the rush and potential finisher

[@tristbutyikes340]

@ Cygames bring back disco dragon

[@FadingFire]

and lets not forget about classes like blood tht have no wincon and are just pure garbage now

[@Rin-ix9dl]

I got to AA rank recently so I dont really care about meta, right now I just play T2, lots of fun compare to rotation/unlimited

[@KaTdRaGoNn]

PREPARE YOURSELF

[@jakrispysunshine5844]

When Igni gets salty, I get worried as a somewhat new player.

[@dunkyyyyy]

New expansions are supposed to give the game a breath of fresh air, a new sense of gameplay of new decks and interactive meta. The problem with Brigade is that either the legendaries are too memeish or too broken. Dragon and Haven are now a despicable sight to see in rotation, Shadow, Sword and Portal are at least interesting enough to warrant the game is still 'fun', and Forest and Blood are sighted rarely, unless you're of the old aggro playstyle. I just feel like the meta, even though its still very early and it's in experimentation stages, has already a very bad start. Even though I found some joy in the revival of Holy Lion And Legendary Fighter decks, as well as Arcus with Plagued City, those fun decks are being ruined by Lindworm and Tenko. I personally felt happy when I created a deck revolving around Zeta, Latham and Dei, without Arthur and Sky, it just felt good using a deck that had cards from the new expansion and finding success with it. Although not Grandmaster level deck, i find the deck quite enjoyable to play, simply because of the new cards that are fun and interactive. Here's to a better meta, and a future that hopefully won't end in like 15 nerfs in cards. Cough cough*

[@adlindorsal9877]

I find it funny everyone does well with Tenko Haven but when I play it, I actually suck lol. I get better games with Blood, Shadow and Forest.

[@thexviith6780]

Just pick up aggro and SMOrc NOBODY is teaching for early game agression. Tenko might be a problem but from my experience all of them are brain-dead and won't defend themselves over playing cannon on curve

[@masajus1]

True

[@lynkios]

I blame everything in Haven tbh

[@Justanidea5976]

The problem I have is that the GranBlue heroes cost vials and those vials cost money. I'm f2p and it would be nice if there were some earned Granblue leaders. Like the emblems, they should also be leaders. At least 1 or 2 f2p expansion leaders should be in the achievements or earned, but that's just me. I dunno maybe I'm complaining.

[@chemicalcube2479]

Well...hope nerfs or the mini expansion will change the meta

[@ichigo82999]

Btw i do think the mordecai + ferry combo is pretty broken so i expect nerves in our future. Cant agree with ignis statement though since shadowverse was always kinda luck-based no matter what deck you played. Sometimes you can´t do anything and lose but that is part of nearly every game in existence so you need to move on instead of complaining.

[@SuperSupper2]

Shadowcraft is finally fun and balanced again! Unfortunately, Haven and Dragon are unbalanced with little to no counterplay. The only counterplay to Dragon is to kill them before they draw Zooey or Lindworm and the only counterplay to Haven is to spend your turn 6 removing a 4-pp amulet and pray they don't have more and forget to crash the Holywing Dragon into your face. Being able to survive at all in this meta requires amulet removal which slows down your own tempo when those two OU suspect classes have insane late games with impervious leader effects. Hell, even lion is meta now and the only counter to that is Seraph Blade. Immediately. If you don't kill that amulet immediately, then you better hope you can aggro them down faster. Good luck in this meta! Meanwhile, I've been playing with a couple plague city decks to hopefully counter things... Lyria is really good with that bane amulet...

[@masajus1]

I tried to use Zooey in my deck, and it was very "useful", drop it out of my deck as fast as possible

[@happyyface66]

Dude, u lack draw power. Mord deck works most of the time coz of draws

[@MrAulzzz]

Too ez

[@EclipseZer0]

The meta sucks tho, Mid Sword is at 58% winrate atm with all that stupid board protections, and Haven has literally 3 (super cancer) meta decks while Shadow and Blood are literally dying.

[@KrustyPatty]

*cries in f2p*

[@somethinggamar9119]

Lol this seems like poopy 5rash

[@Star_Bright1]

Man, everyone seems to love complaining about the game and I’m having a pretty dang good time with it lately

[@chuchu2359]

Unlimited is hell to much tenko cannon shrine it’s such a steamroll bullshit deck

[@saddhanaartadaniswara8778]

I think it's time to go to unli LOL... Oh never mind every one just play tenko at unli..

[@Rin-ix9dl]

unlimited is mordecai and atomy hell

[@muhammadasyrafiamirhassan7309]

4th

[@RedTheEpicness]

Yet cygames nerfed reanimate. It was the only unique thing left in shadow and its almost gone now

[@Sleeeepyyyyyyyyy]

First lol

[@erenarstiria786]

No igni you DON'T WANT to get into unlimited. Trust me the meta there is way worse than in the rotation.

[@pardonerfennel8884]

You think unlimited is better? Really mate? Did you just remove d-shift, roach and aegis from your mind? Unlimited is a hell i would not wish upon anyone.