SHAMAN CHANGES! | Some Positives, Some....huuuuuh...

[@STARSHIPTROOP]

I'm going to need a masters degree in common core math to figure the new rotations

[@tonyb1436]

Another missed nerf for enhance is that you need to spend a point on spirit walker's grace to get ancestral guidance which is just a dead skill for enhance.

[@Kryptic712]

Isn’t there a speed increase ? And immune to silence? Enhance can still be silenced

[@emptyforrest]

@@Kryptic712 wich is extremely niche in PVE, and only somewhat useful in pvp. still a dead talent.

[@InkDevil999]

As an enhancement shaman main im happy with the Windfury Totem change to Skyfury. Its less maintenance and GCDs while fighting.

[@sochimon5944]

you're happy nobody will want an enhance now? you're not unique anymore

[@InkDevil999]

@@sochimon5944 so what? I do not know anyone who enjoyed putting down a Windfury Totem. As long as they fix other problems with the spec then I'm okay with it.

[@Tiemooo59]

@@InkDevil999 we still have terrible defensives, bad target cap and now dont bring any unique buff... gonna be a nightmare to find raids or m+ groups. we actually waited all the time in beta for changes and the only changes are all bad for us...

[@InkDevil999]

@@Tiemooo59 all but 3 changes are bad for us yeah. Kinda sucks but Skyfury, Feral Lunge baseline and Maelstrom Weapon baseline are good changes. The rest we will have to scream loudly enough for Blizz not to ignore.

[@KC-py5vq]

@@Tiemooo59 booohoooo, now all the specs get windfurry. The only way this affects you is if you raid race to world first or the highest keys which you prob dont. So stop bitching

[@Frankenllama]

I'm sorry, but I'm so happy feral lunge is now auto learned. Holy shit thank you.

[@faminex]

EB nerf, lack of 4set change, and calling enh “fine” is all I needed to see to know blizzard has no fucking clue what they’re doing with enh

[@Uncle-Ruckus.]

Saying enhance is fine shows how clueless they are.

[@wm1573]

Lots of people like it…so I don’t know

[@emptyforrest]

@@wm1573 and what do they mean with being fine? damage? sure. diverse? fuck no

[@wm1573]

@@emptyforrest what do you mean by diverse?

[@Naturalhigh8]

@@wm1573 the ability to have more than one or two viable playstyles at the same time. The game's almost 2 decades old with literally dozens of paid people designing the specs yet this is apparently still not feasible... it's a joke and watching this one video has solidified my thought of not returning to the game.

[@slicknick4140]

I'm glad they're getting rid of windfury. Playing with bad enhances who somehow forget to drop it drives me nuts 😂 (and it was just more button bloat that isn't even that good)

[@rhombodazzle9700]

Personally I guess as resto I liked the farseer tree they fixed my problem with it because undulation will trigger the spirits now....reactive warding especially with the extra earth shield charges you get from the tree seems like an ok spot heal and rewards you for letting them run out of charges instead of refreshing every pull.... There's more riptide synergy with key talents like primal tide core moved up and prim wave is a capstone I can take it or leave it idk I felt the changes were ok if you didn't rely on chain heal (I say that as im casting it less than 10 times a dungeon) like i dont rely on it

[@wvjeepguy8178]

Me: maybe I'll go back to enhancement this expansion Watches video: ah...nope...guess not

[@salihkizildag]

how does this affect the damage distribution of elemental shaman? I suppose Tauren isn't that good anymore?

[@jacobmobile]

Enhance has too many buttons trying to do the same thing. The spec has so much button bloat. I have mained shaman since BC and this is the worst I have seen the spec.

[@vantoxX45]

Enhancement currently already has too many buttons, now with the new pathings spirit walkers grace, stone bulwark, wind totem and crash lightning are added to the bloat just by speccing into either elementalist or storm build.

[@zynos3363]

cant they finally connect Ice Strike with Hailstorm/Fire Nova ?

[@lolzorzyfm]

On the first point, in the class tree you don't need any extra button compared to live as the earthgrab totem is earthbind totem's replacement which is baseline, so a 3/10 would be warranted as in not worse than before but not better

[@Fortheweak13]

Shaman does not need more defensives, all the other classes needs a defensive nerf ...

[@Dontaethefist]

if they're gonna keep adding content where shit one shots you if you dont have a defensive up for the 3rd time being targeted because of rng i'd like to have ATLEAST one more DR. You know, like every other meta spec that also does more damage than enhance and ele?

[@Fortheweak13]

@@Dontaethefist Stupid reasoning, you're not a child anymore

[@Maldoror_Ducasse]

Does anyone know why all rshamans are playing a Riptide build nowiin retail? I stopped playing for one week and when I came back everyone was playing that, and I have not found any blue post mentioning a change to make sense of it. 😅

[@victuss1413]

Replace lava burst with a lightning spell and we gucci

[@danh7397]

Agreed.. get rid of lava burst

[@markfrellips5633]

In iterative design, buffs are buffs. But so much of this changes rotational and priority alterations, no one knows until they try

[@stueyman2099]

Not sure how anyone can consider changing windfury totem to a raid wide buff and adding mastery to it a nerf...

[@beastlyshotzful]

Nerf to enhance comparatively to resto/ele. I.e. now enhance has to fight with the rest of the class specs for a raid spot.

[@hectorgarcia9783]

Its a nerf to Enhancement shamans, if you are flexible in wanting to play resto/ele than this is a buff. I think he explained it in the video.

[@rstocker19]

Arent feral spirits also elementals? Thus benefiting from primordial bond

[@sochimon5944]

if that's true then with the current tier set enhance will have perma 5% DR

[@rstocker19]

@sochimon5944 ya that is why I'm confused. Maybe I am wrong because everyone is still complaining about defensives when I thought the new talents looked to help alot

[@woldenwolk]

They are beasts unfortunately

[@billflynn9962]

i dont think skyfury is a totem.. it reads like a normal buff like stam/verse/int etc.. also don't forget the icefury redesign/buff makes icefury instant cast instead of having to spend time casting icefury.. more insta cast spells might make haste less important and movement fights easier to play

[@mladengochev6918]

They gonna make me quit the GAME ! FOR FUCK SAKE CAN U FUCKING MAKE THE STUPID ENCHANTMENT SHAMAN GOOD FOR 1 EXPANSION ATLEAST it has not been good since TBC

[@Levelity]

The Elemental blast nerf was the most braindead change. Because of a hero talent, they nerf the spell instead of the hero talent.

[@woldenwolk]

its not even the hero talent, its mainly the completely OP 4-piece which they still will nerf and also leave the EB nerf in place

[@Levelity]

@@woldenwolk The 4 piece isn’t op without the hero talent scaling though. It appears tier sets are just mandatory talents each season.

[@woldenwolk]

@@Levelity the tier set is very much the cause of the issues, the hero talent for the extra wolf would be fine without the set. Double the duration on wolves makes you have so many more up at any time and because their damage bones scales multiplicatively it is making EB damage go through the roof. The set bonus can easily be tuned down to like +50% duration or something and it would still be fine, but you can't really make the hero talent give half a wolf

[@Levelity]

@@woldenwolk That's my point. By lowering the hero talent scaling that boosts the damage based on wolves out, then your allowing the ramp time to have value and not gutting Ele blast for any other circumstance.

[@woldenwolk]

@@Levelity Whoops, I missed your reply. I still don't understand what you mean by "hero talent scaling that boosts the damage based on wolves out". Are you referring to a specific hero talent or to the hero talent tree as a whole? The damage bonus comes from the elemental spirit wolves themselves (from the spec tree talent "Elemental Spirits"), not from the hero talent tree. The hero talent "Rolling Thunder" just gives you an extra nature version of the "Elemental Spirits" wolves when you use Tempest. Perhaps you mean that the number of Tempests that you get should be reduced? Also, what do you mean when you say ramp time? Even without the extra wolf from Tempest, the 4-piece is too strong, if you use the Totemic tree it still gives too many wolves at the same time.

[@LadyElle808]

Very very glitchy atm. Kicked from the game changing talents, testing rotation, mounting. Will watch your videos and test a bit later.

[@endofexistence2149]

did they say the whole package wasn't pushed out yet? if that's the case why are people having a meltdown? This also won't be the only pass shamans will get so feedback is important but if people just whine at blizzard they will mostly ignore whats being said to them. They were pretty swift with most of the classes in the alpha and beta so I wouldn't start worrying just yet. If by the end of this month shamans still look bad then yea I can see the reason for complaints.

[@jonathanmatthews8862]

The full talents are now available on Beta and have been since the update last night. You can also read the talents and they were pretty much exactly what was expected. Tuning passes are different from class redesigns. Classes are redesigned very few times within testing cycle if at all. Since there are ever diminishing days in this testing cycle the window for feedback is quickly closing. If they don’t have enough time to turn around changes in this cycle Shamans will have to wait until 11.1. And that’s not to say Shaman will be weak; class design does not necessarily equate to balance. It’s just that parts of the spec may feel clunky or bad to play and that’s something that should always be called out.

[@sashan6683]

They said the datamine from Monday wasn't all of the changes. The current beta build now has all of those changes which is what is presented in this video.

[@endofexistence2149]

@@sashan6683 okay

[@TheDomlc]

You can use totemic projection your surging totem and a new rain is cast. That's on a 10 second cd. So cast surging, get the downpour, projection for a second downpour, 10 seconds later projection again for a new downpour and then after the initial 24 seconds passes u can hard cast surging totem again. It's Def not as good as every 5 seconds, but you can now aim 2-3 rains per 24 sec CD. Not terrible. Tho I haven't actually tested yet.

[@maelgauzere4853]

It decreases the negativeness of what Blizzard did to ST indeed. However, it will require another button to press so... not very good with the whole philosophy of having less buttons to press for resto shaman specifically...

[@Poisonieer]

"Hey dad look at my rough draft on my paper" "it's crap and you suck" This was a preliminary and danm Mr gm you tore them up.

[@jonathanmatthews8862]

To be fair this is the class redesign. They aren’t doing a lot more of these as the Beta doesn’t have much longer. Now is the time for hard criticism because if they miss this quickly closing window for more redesigns Shamans will have to wait until 11.1

[@xkarasu9705]

It's incredibly sad to see people who actually AGREE with Blizzard that Enh Shaman is in a good place. MAYBE in raid but in M+ it feels like absolute trash to play. The Fire or Lightning build divide and hard target caps will forever hold this spec back.

[@Tiemooo59]

and now getting into a raid will be much harder. so im looking forward to many hours of getting declined to finally get into a group that disbands after 1 wipe.

[@xkarasu9705]

@@Tiemooo59 Yea I have no idea why they gave WF to every Shaman spec especially since they themselves said they didn't want to push raid buffs to justify a classes spot on raid yet here we are.

[@slobodanvidekanic3633]

The thing is with Stone bulwark totem u should be able to refresh its duration with TR since its a 2 min CD if it ends up being good CD we would have 2x SBT and AS 1,5-2 min so we should have 3 DR CD and in case when u have huge dmg over time earth ele +BP combined AG could be useful. It would be nice if they reworked Spirit wolf talent since it trash to give u 20%DR for 2 sec when u enter wolf to have some minor thing when everything is on cd and not spend 4-5 sec watching from damn wolf so u can live

[@Thetecnician07]

Blizz have problems with elemental, enhancement, feral druid, survival hunter and aff warlock classes...

[@John-rz1wi]

What did they actually "rework"? I think the term has become so damn overused. My main item on the wishlist was for totem overhaul

[@deaczorz]

where the shit is my chain harvest?

[@joe39302]

Venthyr ability from SL? Thing of beauty.

[@Tiemooo59]

that was so fun in SL, wish they kept that instead of primodal wave

[@fishunit1088]

As an Enhancement main I am VERY happy with windfury changes: it frees up a point in the spec tree and removes pressing one of the worst GCD buffs to manage

[@ChaosKnighta]

but it doesnt free up a point in the spect tree because you have flurry in that place.

[@fishunit1088]

@@ChaosKnighta Yeah I just saw that, thanks for pointing it out

[@ant.johnstone]

Izen. The absorb shield around 15%HP and 10% every other tick (not stacking). On a 2min CD. This is bad

[@damari1980]

well I am playing enhancement in Beta and we are tottaly not target capped anymore when playing the physical build. Tempest hits all targets, is often up and hits like a truck (careful with your aggro on pull type of truck). Your physical wolves also hit all targets and are a very big part of your damage. I have also tried a similarphysical build, but with totemic hero talent tree. This is also uncapped, because of your wolves and the surging totem which hits all targets. With both build I was first in dps in almost all dungeons I run. Al in all Enhancement looks good, although it is early to tell for sure.

[@konter4323]

I loved that I can use Master of the Elements to buff my healing rain/Acid rain or my chain lightning or what ever I wanted, now its so boring holy fuck. I also liked that I can burst dps+heal with Stormbringer + Ancestral Guidance, thats also gone now... most of the time blizzard touches something I like, it somehow goes in a direction I can not appreciate :/ I fled from warrior to Rschaman because I could not stand the meaningles and boring design they chose for their warrior representative class (the worst/most boring class design out of all rpgs I know) they way I can spread flameshock now seems very fun.. maybe thats something you can use to funnel in to a high prio target...

[@2011manbeast]

anyone know when the servers come back up?

[@jonathanmatthews8862]

These aren’t really buffs. I don’t know why I keep hearing that. Shaman does about the same DPS as it did before these changes. You can’t spam Lava Burst anymore but rather than buff other things to be significantly better to press, they just realigned the damage so that it’s loaded in other abilities. Stormkeeper is still a bit of a joke of a Hero Spec for Elemental (it’s pretty good for Enhance) and Farseer is now even worse than it was since you can’t reduce the CD of Primordial (and it was pretty meh before) and they didn’t buff anything to compensate (it’s also still bugged and the last talent doesn’t work currently). The frustrating part is that this should have been week 1 of the Beta. The Hero Specs are still C tier in design (except for Totemic for Resto) and the Elemental tree feels really haphazard without a central theme unifying it all.

[@AD690smcr]

I know blizzard is removing range extension, but I would like just a few yards for enh. It feels like you have to be up the anus of a mob before your in range to hit it

[@AlwaysHungry.]

This class is a mess... buttons buttons buttons... oh wait, more buttons

[@STARSHIPTROOP]

but wait there's more ... buttons

[@commonsense82]

I remember one raid night a couple years ago, someone was complaining about too many buttons. I told them I had 32 active abilities on any given pull I have to use. Shut him up quick, lmao.

[@keldon1137]

​@@commonsense82Dont be dramatic. Ele has more button bloat than enh looking at logs. Looking at top ele log mythic fyrrak kill he used 24 class specific abilities, including bl once, earth elemental once, totemic projection once. And that also counts using gust and wolf. And singular healing surge. I can agree that some shammy specs have issue where their rotation dosent make sense (like enh not wanting casted ele abilities in rotation etc) but its not really different than other classes. Plenty of classes use 20+ abilities in combat.

[@richiepipes8960]

thats how i feel about UH DK its fucking insane

[@mladengochev6918]

Where ENCH shaman damage?

[@tynudy123]

Elemental shaman not yet implemented yet literally

[@tordb]

Never gameplay. Just making a video and reading from WOWHEAD.

[@Damingo54]

I just want wotlk meatball damage back

[@thewhiteniinja]

ele has been 100% meatball for 2 seasons thank god that's ending soon

[@TheItalianiancommenter]

I hope they remove the general class talent tree and just give us all the abilities by defult with the spell book by leveling hate having to change that part of the tree if I want maybe some more cc or mobility but that's not the best tree for dps or tank or heal in raids so I have to swap again and is also very annoying to put points in there beacuse you don't really need anything from there and it makes you waste time and there are a ot of other reasons to hate it

[@bilbobaggins7095]

Rare shit takes from Izen today

[@mladengochev6918]

DOES BLIZZARD EMPLOYS even play the shaman? does they even know how it works WTF i am mad AS FAK

[@STARSHIPTROOP]

No they don't. They use spreadsheets from the top 10 for balancing purposes.

[@Hallow5s]

pvp…

[@Naturalhigh8]

Is no one bringing up the fact that most of the hero nodes and give-or-take 8 elemental shaman nodes are simply +damage; including our mastery which is so G.D. bland?!?! They don't change or modify anything. There's no real identity and nothing about any of this is "hero" worthy. These nodes just kill other parts of the spec/abilities. They actively damage their own spec design by putting these things in. It's also the laziest possible way to fill any gap in any game that takes no time or effort. It's lazy, greed! It's garbage like D4s talent trees. Why does Earth Shock do 107% more damage than elemental blast?!?! A large portion of the elemental talent tree is literally locked out if you don't take elemental blast?!?! And resto shamans reworks sound really weak for the most part and still have a lot of emphasis on chain heal. Sigh. How are dozens of paid people so bad at making classes? It's honestly not hard to have an imagination. At least I know I'm not coming back to the game now. Thank you as always for good videos Izen. Shame on Blizzard as per usual.

[@elkitesaga999]

Just fire the whole shaman team and rebuild it.

[@wedmark]

TL;DR?

[@calistinsin]

Might wanna re think quite a few of these takes

[@A_B90_]

Enhancement shammy's losing their shit on the forums and its not even implemented yet 😅😅

[@Tiemooo59]

i wonder why, lost a specc unique raid buff, still same defensive problem, still same target cap problem and messed up talents even more so we even have to waste 1 more point. would be ok for me if the 2 other classes i consider playing as main wouldnt he moonkin which is complete trash and fire mage which got nerfed into the ground and is now the worst mage specc and one of the worst of all classes...

[@sashan6683]

It is implemented though. They said the datamine from Monday wasn't all of the changes, but the beta build that came out Tuesday would include them. This video is of the Tuesday beta build, it has all of the changes.

[@mladengochev6918]

I am so mad i cant even go to bed now damn CAN I REFUND THE WAR WITHIN PLS?

[@reivaxgamer245]

No love for enhancement, im so sad i was specting for a mayor o real rebamp or rework, but this Is an insult for us, whats wrong with Blizzard doying this kind of joks

[@Daynish]

Usually agree with this dude a lot but this take is real off point

[@sethhuntley8538]

Izen homie this video is an L, they said in the post that this isn’t even half the changes they’re making they just accidentally released these early. No point in dooming over what is clearly unfinished (yet still better than before).

[@beastlyshotzful]

What is shown in the post are all of the changes. What was initially implemented as hotfixes were accidental. Izen was reviewing both, meaning all of the changes at least at this point.

[@HowNowBrownCow69]

L W L L W rizz lock in skibidi

[@sashan6683]

No, they said the data mined stuff from Monday wasn't all that they were changing. The Tuesday beta build has all of the changes the plan to make before Season 1.

[@JamesRiick]

Blizzards should just remove the Shaman class until they actually want to fix it. I don’t play the class but the fact they’re always so unwanted is such a bummer. I wanted to play shaman in shadowlands but the other options were just too good. Shaman was a class along with Druid I enjoyed because the lore of a medicine man in tune with nature. I love that.

[@Vandiekins]

resto needs a rework. all they do is riptide and spam chain heal.

[@PrecookedEagle]

You're jumping the gun a bit, the changes aren't done yet

[@beastlyshotzful]

The ones posted are all of the changes thus far and the changes they were referring to in their post initially were talking about the ones they accidentally pushed. No planned changes for enhance, ele or resto past these changes other than what they would normally do after testing if some stuff doesn’t work out as they intended.

[@hectorgarcia9783]

I mean they have been neglecting shamans for quite a while now.

[@keldon1137]

@@beastlyshotzful "the class changes are starting to roll in on Wowhead now. Datamining today is not revealing more than a small fraction of the package of changes coming in the next Beta build. We’ll fully outline it for you here as soon as possible." Theres nothing saying theres no planned changes for enh. Post was made 22h ago. Second post only states they are doing smaller changes for enh but again, nothing that its 'done'.

[@beastlyshotzful]

@@keldon1137 read the last sentence of that post.

[@sashan6683]

@@keldon1137 the datamine from Monday did not include all. The current beta build that went up late Tuesday does include it all. This video is of the beta build and includes all of the changes.

[@bayazwow]

Blizzard: "We are adding this raid buff which puts all Shaman specs on the same playing field. Here are some changes to talents. There are more coming." Enhance 1 tricks: "It's all over spec is dead" Has to be the biggest overreaction I've ever seen by a spec community

[@faminex]

Yeah man surely has nothing at all to do with the promise of change into nothing given, nerf, worsening of talent pathing, loss of talents points in budget, overall jank interactions with hero talents, and the degeneracy that is storm build continuing to exist as-is. Yeah you nailed it, it’s just the (objectively good) change to give the entire class a raid buff that has people upset

[@sashan6683]

They said there was more than the datamine from Monday. All of that 'more' was included in the beta build from Tuesday. This video shows the Tuesday beta build, with all of their planned changes.

[@dylanfitzpatrick9423]

Another generic mastery. Really lame

[@lucid9949]

there, you got buffs to shamans. now please stop bullying mages in your videos, thank you. t. mage main

[@Tiemooo59]

i play enhancemen shaman and fire mage. the changes here to enhancement are ALL BAD. we dont have a unique raibuff anymore so people can just get ele or resto and dont need more classes with weak deffensives and fire mage got nerfed into the ground.fire mage looked so good and now its the worst of all specs -.- i really hope they either buff fire mage again or change enhancement.

[@Uncle-Ruckus.]

I mean mage is always broken so it deservesc the complains.

[@lucid9949]

@@Uncle-Ruckus. you know, instead of complaining about other classes, perhaps you should just ask blizzard to buff your own class mage doesnt ruin the m+ meta. theres been plenty of seasons where mage wasnt #1 the only class that ruins the meta completely is auggie. that class is justified to complain about, because it ruins the otherwise beautiful landscape of diverse classes we had in dfs1, and like the invasive cancerous species it is, it ruins everything

[@Uncle-Ruckus.]

@@lucid9949 Blizzard : Despite being the most tanky and always meta spec , we feel like mage is in a weak state so we are buffing them even more! mage does ruin the meta since they are always good, saying otherwise is just delusion.

[@lucid9949]

@@Uncle-Ruckus. wrong. just because they are always good doesnt entail they ruin he meta. thats called a non-sequitor for example, in dfs1, mage was good. but there was still a huge amount of other classes who got title. it was probably the most diverse pool of specs who got title, maybe ever. this was a good meta for everyone but the second auggie came out, it was just exodia cancer every season, even after 904556 nerfs