Shane Bieber Returns to Cleveland Guardians: What is the Best Outcome for Both Parties in This Deal?

[@davidvankirk7721]

This year was going to be a very important year for Shane to secure his brand for his family’s fanatical future. Makes sense that he picks a supporting staff that best fits his chances to return to his best level. Taking less proves that. I had a strong feeling that this was a possibility. The good thing is that he is going to be all in to succeed in 2025 and that could be good for the Guards.

[@LockedonGuardians]

Agreed his chance at a huge pay day or just a meh one hinge on showing he is close to who he was in 22 and not the last two years

[@davidvankirk7721]

I’m good with spending/gambling money on a highly motivated talent surrounded by a highly supportive and familiar staff.

[@empirejackson5434]

I hope you meant "financial future".

[@GuardianofClevelandHeights]

Thanks as always guys! Good news on Shane.

[@LockedonGuardians]

thanks for watching and commenting

[@jffagan]

Great show gentlemen. Bieber signing is the best bargin this off season. I was with Justin on the isle of Brennan, but that ship and Freeman's ship have sailed. I can't wait for draft lottery. Loved your coverage!

[@LockedonGuardians]

Thank you hope you enjoy the lotto coverage and Freeman is just not going to work

[@DavidLane-so1fk]

Thanks gents, really interesting and enjoyable show, great work 👍

[@LockedonGuardians]

thank you for watching and commenting

[@dbcollings5739]

LOL TOO FUNNY! Is the Cleveland outfield outlook the Christmas Season cartoon with "The Isle of Misfit Toys"?

[@LockedonGuardians]

good call

[@dennisquigney3809]

The 2024 Guardians got 50 starts combined from 2 guys that had "invites to camp", Ben Lively and Carlos Carrasco. Won't be shocked to see them bring in 3 or 4 guys to camp in similar situations this year and one or 2 of them give us enough to hold over until Bieber is ready.

[@GuardianofClevelandHeights]

makes sense.

[@LockedonGuardians]

I think they will as well it only makes sense

[@jakeaubrey1773]

Mets way overpaid for Soto in my opinion. He’s an amazing hitter but a below average fielder and not a great base runner. He will be a DH in 5 years. Overpaid not overrated

[@Nick-jd5ge]

I wonder if cleveland fans knew the front office was close to acquiring Soto at 2019 trade deadline. Nationals got off to bad start and their front office thought there out of race. Nationals wanted bieber indians said no. Indians really wanted Soto and offered sticks instead. Offer was agreed on but rizzo gm backed out st last minute. Nationals got hot in second half and went to world series and won in 2019. If people don't believe me ask terry pluto about this story.

[@LockedonGuardians]

cant overpay if you getting the best young hitter in the game its a lot but they were willing to spend and the penalties are so small for them

[@chasestalterfootballhighli5282]

Justin you predicting the Guardians would sign a SP was a good call. Jeff is still the man though

[@LockedonGuardians]

thank you for the kind words

[@Cheeksmalone74]

It got cut off before the go go guardians go. So merry winter meetings and go go guardians go. Pedro Avila for Innings eating 4th starter '25. "DELICIOUS INNINGS!!!"

[@TheKLeifheit13]

All in for Avila to get a shot at starting, same with Gaddis. Dude was good outta the pen but he didn't give me the confidence that Smith, Herrin, or Clase did. Might play best as a starter

[@LockedonGuardians]

that transition from pen to starter is so hard I think people take it for granted

[@scotthauser5341]

I am surprised that Bieber is returning. We definitely need more pitching.

[@LockedonGuardians]

They need more

[@altonholseyjr1050]

I think Bieber is betting on himself. He could have gotten more than Boyd this year but if he has a great half season he could be looking at 4 year, $120 million next year.

[@LockedonGuardians]

he is 100% betting on himself, he has lost himself so much with health if he bounces back he will make a ton

[@TimothyDunn-dp4cc]

Nice

[@LockedonGuardians]

Glad you liked it!

[@RobertSmith-ib2qv]

Good deal for both sides

[@LockedonGuardians]

agreed

[@zivohel]

I really hope Shane’s signing doesn’t take them out of the starting pitching market. It would be a huge mistake for a variety of reasons. He isn’t back until mid season, coming off a major surgery, and still is a big hole to compete into the playoffs

[@LockedonGuardians]

They need more this is a good start but its just a start

[@zivohel]

Agree and hope it truly is a start. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[@johnlowther9799]

Regarding the Brennan comment/question; If the season started today and 8 of the 9 spots in the lineup were taken by Kwan, Ramirez, Thomas, J. Naylor, B. Naylor, Rocchio, Gimenez & Manzardo leaving one spot left (most likely in CF or RF). Who would you like to see get the most AB's in that open lineup spot in CF/RF? And who do you think the Guardians would give the most AB's too? (Probably a Brennan platoon with Noel/Rodriguez) Rodriguez, Martinez, DeLauter, Freeman, Schneeman, Arias, Brito, Bennan or Noel

[@LockedonGuardians]

platoon feels likely not Deluater though in at least not early

[@Zinter1984]

For a team that has to be careful where they spend and on what, spending even $10M on a SP who may not even be useful until 2026 seems like an odd choice to me. It's a complete leap of faith to think he's back mid-season and is effective. I don't really buy he was being offered more $ by other teams with his status up in the air. Strikes me as a team with a limited budget hoping to get a little lucky.

[@LockedonGuardians]

multiple people reported more money, and 10 mil is nothing a 5th starter often nets close to 20 mil 10 is a gamble cost which is fine

[@justintaylor6604]

Love your show, guys. We don’t always agree, but I need baseball talk like I need air. I was listening to Foul Territory podcast and they were saying that if the guards would just get them T payroll up to around $150-175 million they’d be just as dangerous as any of the other big bopper teams in the league (paraphrasing, obviously). I know it won’t happen, but I’m really not buying the whole TV deal issue or the attendance isn’t enough. I feel like the AL is wide open and the Guardians have a chance to really shake the league up by going after someone the caliber of Max Fried or another pitcher like him and an Anthony Santander or Teoscar Hernandez. I know, I’m dreaming, but come on Guardians, give me something to be enthusiastically optimistic about this upcoming season! Thoughts?

[@Nick-jd5ge]

David Blitzer said a year ago that 120 million payroll is doable for the cleveland market. All mlb teams tv deals are expected to lose money even diamond. Some expect to lose 20 million on TV deals.

[@Nick-jd5ge]

Bobby d said a long time ago that a 100 million payroll needs 2 million in attendance just to break even. In order to make money in the playoffs you need a deep run like this year. 15.5 million

[@Nick-jd5ge]

For the team 15.5 profit.. 182 663.00 per player full shares for guardians team and players .

[@LockedonGuardians]

They will never spend that much by most metrics they are middle of the pack in terms of money in and money spent, its one of the smallest markets in the game it is always going to be bottom 5

[@aronfry9148]

I say sign canning and max Kepler and some non roster invites and call it an offseason

[@LockedonGuardians]

Kepler I think is in decline

[@user-hv7-cm5cb9z]

If they trade Naylor to the Red, Managers request no head butts.

[@LockedonGuardians]

they might just might request that

[@EvanSolomonBerger]

With Soto going to the Mets, I think our path to the World Series is easier with the Yankees losing out on Soto.

[@LockedonGuardians]

I agree

[@patbittinger9315]

I just saw they're being traded to Baltimore. These articles are so full of crap. Shane is betting on having a great year and then he may walk.

[@LockedonGuardians]

there is so many bad articles about trades that makes no sense