General Electric M5 Early 1960s Black And White Portable Television Startup Analysis

old nasty dirty tv with sexy legs

[@NickNorton]

Don't ever change shango066. Your subtle humour is worth the subscription alone.

[@rwdplz1]

**shango slowly and sensually stroked the mystery set's legs, as his viewers backed slowly away from their computers**

[@Barbarra63297]

I guess some people that come here haven't caught on to what you do lol. Good reply though! Love your vids.

[@vicmabus1532]

Some people could start their own utube channel and gut consoles to install modern Chinese components. Lotta folks would watch that...

[@chrisbosley7095]

Silky smooth cigarette voice... come to where the flavor is! Good video as always!

[@teacfan1080]

Remember, he did spend quite a bit of time on that "smoker's choice" transistor radio!

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

Flavor country-- COUGH-COUGH

[@pyeltd.5457]

love how you reused that video of the music to grow plants with and the doves from 2011/12

[@fredflintstone8048]

True restoration should strive for removing as little dirt, grime, tobacco tar as possible. I have to agree with you. If a person doesn't understand why you make these videos and why many of us enjoy them, they're on the wrong channel. No one will ever be able to explain it to them.

[@38911bytefree]

This video was brought to you in part by CESSNA.

[@MsCori76]

" Nasty dirty tv with sexy legs " LMFAO

[@vanharmon4423]

It is also missing the airplane damper tubeulature thingy

[@danmackintosh6325]

Don't blame you for removing those sort of comments, it's kinda strange that they'd take the time to watch the crust and glaze get heated up and revive-ified and then ask something like that... It's almost as if there's a lot of idiots out there, very strange.

[@davidbrawn2828]

My grandfather has one identical to this he got at a estate sale. He only replaced the big tube the 5u4 and I think he replaced a few caps. Someone replaced the CRT no doubt the deceased owner. It stands out playing because it gets a bright picture having such a strong CRT.

[@errorsofmodernism9715]

How did he replace the CRT if he was deceased?

[@johnnytacokleinschmidt515]

​@errorsofmodernism9715 😂 before they passed I would suspect...

[@JohnnyUmphress]

I hear you. For those comments I would say, why then do we even have museums? I restore this old stuff because, first of all, because I love it. And, second, when these are all gone to the landfill, there're gone.

[@johnnytacokleinschmidt515]

"They're not making any more of these..."

[@frankpitochelli6786]

You should basically tell people to go to heaven, this is about appreciating vintage consumer electronics from an era that was fantastic, I remember fondly working on many of the TVs that you show here.... In fact, I can still remember the smell of those old tube sets. I miss those days terribly.!!

[@johnnytacokleinschmidt515]

I was 16 working at a TV shop. Set was brought in for dim picture. My boss smiled and asked what I thought. But I already know it was covered in cigarette residue. I was still surprised how bright the picture was under the grime. This was part of the experience for us who lived through that time.

[@frankpitochelli6786]

@johnnytacokleinschmidt515 that was absolutely the truth, how many tvs I would clean the screens and the pictures were 50% brighter, the customer would think you were a genius.

[@nickwilde2569]

I would actually be interested to see you put a crt in a flat-screen case just to anger the people who want you to put flat-screen in a crt

[@DankNoodles420]

That would uhh, be quite interesting to say the least.

[@bro.weaver1282]

and do a EOL !!!

[@robertgaines-tulsa]

Sounds weird. It would have a huge ass sticking out of that thing. It would look funny, though.

[@martinda7446]

This was perfect. Shango is getting good.

[@davidlocke9949]

Don't forget that the B+ for the pix IF chain and tuner sometimes comes off the cathode of the sound output tube. The tube doubles as a sort of series-pass voltage regulator. If that tube is weak you may still get some audio, but the B+ getting to the RF/IF stages will be way too low to get things going.

[@Inflec]

Known as "stacked B+."

[@ceilingfanmusic6597]

I love these vids. Ive lurned quiet abit about tube tvs an solid state radios threw here. Also love the crust. Keep up the good work with that silky smooth cigarette voice

[@tarstarkusz]

IMO though, the pots should be cleaned along with the sockets.

[@DankNoodles420]

now if only that spelling problem was learned and fixed. lol

[@ceilingfanmusic6597]

@danknoodles420 my spelling is like those tvs. Functional not perfect.

[@sureshkumarc.k6534]

@@ceilingfanmusic6597 yeah we z that

[@luthmhor]

Man you were on fire in this video, bringing the banter demanded by the masses.

[@salmanalbakri2348]

I learned many thing's from your video's. thank you very much bro.. greetings from Iraq..

[@shango066]

Lots of viewers and interest in vintage electronics in Iraq. Very cool

[@audiodiwhy2195]

Shango you have the huge responsibility now- you must never ever change. Your attitude about repair is an inspiration to every geek worth their salt and your subtle humor combined with a love for old tube crap helps me for one get through this terrible COVID thing. If you ever start using fancy lighting, use background music to drown out the cessnas and or invoke all the rest of the KZbin content creator schmaltz I think I’d start to cry.

[@radiotvphononut]

I need to feature some black beauties, as well.....since it's black history month.

[@markrhine5809]

Dear Shango006, I enjoy all od these videos, and I learn a great deal from watching them, thank you for the hard work you do to get these pieces of history living again... have a good day...

[@_Ramen-Vac_]

My old man was a 30-yr. or so GE engineer, so all thru the 70's, 80's, 90's the family "enjoyed" GE appliances and the odd radio here and there, the switches and controls of which all had that 1/2-a$sed feel and function to 'em.

[@Oldgamingfart]

The 1/2-a$sed feel goes in before the name goes on!

[@_Ramen-Vac_]

@@Oldgamingfart . . "General Election" ha ha! :^\

[@_Ramen-Vac_]

GE's got their hand in so many pies (heavy equipment DC motors, turbo fans, scientific R&D shite for space exploration, power plant dynamos... defense toys, etc...) that TV's radios, appliances -they botched on componentry. They must have spent that extra money on Q-C'ing parts as they installed them ~just to make sure the things would work for at most/least a couple of years. Savvy Foxy WE BRING GOOD THINGS TO LIFE, FaRcE. Even the lightbulbs were downbuilt.

[@CloudTheTank]

You do awesome videos with added humor to make more entertaining. Love watching them well learning. "Smokers choice".

[@mentaldemise]

I really appreciate the fact that you guess on the cap and admit you're likely wrong and then show us the real value. Being "wrong" wasn't a bad thing in the immediate. Also, I have no intent really of ever trying to fix one of these, but the insight into how they worked gives me an appreciation for what we have today.

[@jdmccorful]

The blue gloved ("can't touch this") strikes with that Kool West Coast Jazz. Great video.

[@TheFanOrTheMask]

all about the retro tech and hi from sunny england - keeo doing what you are doing, its really good and appreciated. top man

[@JacGoudsmit]

Shango066: "Look at the paper capacitors; just the cheapest stuff they could..." Pigeon: "Woo-hoo!"

[@parzivalthewanderer9687]

Its a shame I am not near, I would love to visit you someday. Been a fan for years and you have taught and inspired me a lot about radio and television repair. In Kentucky its damn near impossible to find the sets you do.

[@F40PH-2CAT]

This unit is the ultimate achievement in television evolution. It will replace man, so man may achieve. This unit must survive

[@cheath8705]

You are correct on about use of solid state diodes in place of 5u4 tube. Worse is vintage 5y3 tube tends to have around 60 volt drop!! Inserting solid state diode will bring B+ in some amp from 315 all the way up to about 380volts!!

[@craigstaggs8597]

This is totally excellent , Dan is getting good with the comedy and superb as ever with the diagnostics ! ..... Made my day that did !!!

[@reacey]

I laughed while drinking a cup of tea when you said "listen to that silky smooth operation" in the cigarette voice at about 1 minute in, Got tea all over lmao

[@gavincurtis]

Everybody go over to EEVBLOG and get Shango one of Dave’s super fancy meters.

[@vancouverman4313]

I hope it's better than Dick Smith's ESR meter.

[@1914grant]

Love the shape of your light bulbs We don`t have bulbs like this here in the UK

[@animeloveer97]

LMAO i live in the us as well and i havent even seen those before! i wonder what kind of b ulb it is

[@5roundsrapid263]

@@animeloveer97 The flat topped one? Thats an odd design. Most American bulbs don’t look like that. I remember seeing them back in the ‘80s.

[@JoJoGunn1956]

@@animeloveer97 To my eyes it looks like one of the original G.E. halogen bulbs from the late '80's. bulbs.2yr.net/90w-halogen-bulb.php

[@5roundsrapid263]

@@JoJoGunn1956 So that’s why they had a different shape. It was thicker and stronger to protect the user when the halogen capsule broke.

[@JoJoGunn1956]

@@5roundsrapid263 I'm not 100% sure that's a halogen bulb, because he picked it up at approx 10:18 and by all rights the glove and part of his fingers should have stuck to it. Being part of a circuit maybe it was at lower voltage, however.

[@dr.zarkhov9753]

The production value is out of this world! Love it man. Talking about the art break.

[@brently1973]

I love these videos i grew up with these TVs and have always liked CRTs and am fascinated how they are repaird. I still use a Electrahome C24-301 from the 70s that my mom bought when i was 5 and still works ok today. Mind you I do love my Sony XBR55X850D but i doubt it will last that long. Definitely interested in learning more about electronics.

[@paulseymour]

13:03 Brilliant interlude shango066. Absolutely love your work!

[@jamesstout3430]

LOVE your reply to the people that want new crap put in an old set. THANK YOU!

[@breakcoregirlxd]

it's gone now I wish I could see what was said

[@cee710]

Hey Shango thanks to you i have repaired my GE 1953 20C107 tv THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[@pafoofnic]

Another gerreat video, patiently waiting for part two. Worked on this kind of stuff when I was a kid. Doing a service call riding down the street on my Schwinn Typhoon with my tube caddy.

[@jeff32276]

Love your vids! I’m glued to my phone/monitor when I watch.

[@harbselectronicslab3551]

If you don't get the thrill of getting something going that has long past its usefulness. you are not really into electronics............Old TV's are just awesome.

[@Andrewausfa]

I had a Dove exactly the same as that in my garden in England. Amazingly it was singing the exact same song!.

[@Marcel1968-Marcels-TV-museum]

Very nice videos that you make with old TVs. I also collect old TVs and what else has to do with them. Also TVs from the States in collection. Many greetings from the Netherlands.

[@markmarkofkane8167]

Ever come across a Philco Ford "Caravan" tv? We had one that was used. All tubes portable. B&W. Another interesting video!! You are correct. We love your videos. The negative Nickys can go somewhere else.

[@1L6E6VHF]

Having the "Philco-Ford" name indicates that it was made during Philco's death throes.

[@markmarkofkane8167]

@@1L6E6VHF We also had a Philco Ford Color TV roundie and a Philco Ford window Air Conditioner!

[@markmarkofkane8167]

The tv I mentioned was a 19 inch? Screen. The channel and volume knobs were above the screen. (Volume control between the VHF and UHF tuners) I messed it up years ago. I took a tube out that was in a shield. Tore up the socket trying to put it back in. I was just curious what type of tube it was.

[@41johndeere]

one never realized what cigarettes did I did not until I walked into my dads house after he passed I about threw up

[@markmarkofkane8167]

It turns everything yellow and sticky.

[@5roundsrapid263]

My parents didn’t smoke, but most of my aunts and uncles did. I noticed the tar on everything from a young age. It was one thing that kept me from ever starting.

[@rancherfarmerguy]

To each his own. If one wants to die in terrible pain, emaciated, jaundiced and in hospice care then that is your right.

[@MsCori76]

I remember once having to do a bond clean for a lady that just moved out of her apartment of 25 years! She was a smoker who did heavily smoke inside the apartment & I actually threw up while washing the walls because of the horrible thick nicotine. The lady's daughter showed up to see how we were going & she nearly fell backward with the after results, She thought the walls were that actual colour but they were originally off white colour, not yellow/brown!

[@5roundsrapid263]

@@MsCori76 I’ve done home renovation work. One house, I had to mop the walls down with bleach solution! Same situation; they were several shades lighter after the tar was removed.

[@Megabyte4747]

Anyone can buy a new TV from Walmart made in China, BUT not everyone can make an old TV work again. What some do not understand is it is for the challenge of making old technology work again. People like myself grew up watching cartoons on an old black & white tv back in the 70s. I can't stand to watch the mess on tv now days, but I love seeing the old TVs working again, it brings back good memories.

[@DrewskisBrews]

And as far as I know, Shango is the only one who has ever (genuinely) resurrected a left-for-dead, desert-baked, element-beaten, 60 year old television just to see if it could be done. That was epic!

[@tomwold8269]

When I was a kid we had a 12 or 13 inch black and white Curtis Mathews tv from 1964 to 1981.

[@Masterkill45588]

Whats with Curtis Mathis and glen waters and birds

[@beamer.electronics]

I took it as an intermission - like the cinema. Time to point Percy-at-the-porcelain and have an ice cream from the lovely lady (Oops can't say that anymore), I mean the gender-fluid person that so happens to appear like a lady ;)

[@5roundsrapid263]

Odd fact: Curtis Mathes died in an airplane fire. It actually didn’t crash, though. Somehow, the pilots landed it. Unfortunately, the smoke had already killed him.

[@LakeNipissing]

14:17 . . . "WHOOO WHOOO WHO ?" , "WHOOO WHOOO WHO ?" , "WHOOO WHOOO WHO ?" Always asking you the same question, Shango.

[@Demon20child]

1:07 “Hey smooth skin! Got any chems to spare?”

[@allo4131]

Definitely Chernobyl squared on this puppy, so far most likely to be radio active. Love the content and diversity of prospects as well as the depth and breadth of test equipment cache. Your due for the Carnac Turban and some Ray-Bans.

[@MikinessAnalog]

"Anyway, if you're into crust ..." I just died LMAO

[@amrkoptan4041]

love you shangoooo!!! great video as always, keep them coming!!! I'd like to see you work on 70's European TVs like Nordmende or ITT, these had pretty great picture.

[@joeloreilly3399]

These videos and your repair hobby is definitely NOT a waste of time! I love it when these videos are listed. The people who say it is a waste of time have very boring lives 🤦‍♂️

[@crr8297]

I wonder if this might have been a hotel/motel set based on the fact that it has a timer, that was quite popular back in the day

[@nathanlewis5682]

Hospitals and elderly retirement homes?

[@Mr_Meowingtons]

i love that you waste your time working on these old TVs :D it was a happy surprise seeing the video drop today

[@foxyloon]

Are your videos being picked up by the KZbin algorithm? That's where I'd assume these "idiots" are coming from. I've been watching your videos for the vintage gear resurrections, personally.

[@breakcoregirlxd]

what comments are everyone talking about did I miss something

[@foxyloon]

@@breakcoregirlxd Apparently, there were a flood of comments along the lines of "why bother messing around with this old junk" and "why not put a modern flat panel in the case of the TV." They're completely ignorant to the point of this channel, thus "idiots" being a thing...

[@fryloc359]

The algorithm is what brought me here. But, unlike them, I like watching old stuff ressurrected.

[@dbridger620]

Great video as always. Looking forward to part 2. I can see that infrared heat camera being a good diagnostic tool to have in your collection of equipment. for your service bench.

[@ronaldspencer547]

I had a similar tv I bought used from a repair shop in the 70s and put in my room. That was the ultimate in luxury at the time!

[@blitzroehre1807]

Well, see the negative nickys as a compliment. It is their way of expressing envy over your ability to get this old equipment back to life, an ability they do not have because of their general ignorance, so bashing you is the only way they have to make themselves feel good again in their own empty drab, petty lives..... :-)

[@5roundsrapid263]

It’s sort of like what Churchill said: “You have enemies? Good. You’ve done something with your life.”

[@alanhirst7201]

Hey Shango greetings from the UK, another great vid, we also have loads of collared doves too, keep up the good work 👍👍👍

[@Oldgamingfart]

2:12 That's the Queen Bee right there. You've found the hive! 🐝

[@tedcowart3647]

Fantastic, educational and entertaining video. Loved the dove segment! I've got a GE P925A AM/SW still sealed it its original US Government packaging I'll send you if you want to sample some 1964 air. I bought three, opened two and they are dead but left one sealed up.

[@merlin07756]

The guy with the meters is Dave Jones from the EEVBlog. Come one Dave, if someone deserves a meter, it's Shango! Good video as always! :)

[@tstahlfsu]

The pigeon segment mid video cracked me the hell up hahahah. Great job as always, love the vids. Screw the jerks turning them into dog beds...

[@taylorrhea1]

Very enjoyable video's, love the humor

[@ssboot5663]

I LOVE the old stuff repair videos!

[@randyruth6928]

If you were rebuilding washing machines i would watch just for your comments, Love the channel man and dont listen to the debbie downers.

[@bob7872]

I like recordplayers and radios, but sometimes I watch the tv repair videos because you make it interesting (they tend to be longer.)

[@polypolya]

I find yours videos so relaxing

[@barryg41]

Thanks for referencing Retro Chad! 👍🙌

[@ollisTubes]

Early 1960's cigarette crust - thats a nice one, really low hour and very well preserved species television. I am looking forward to part two.

[@pilgrim....]

I loved watching that CRT warming up. Sad to see the ring neck coming back to find you've pulled his nest out though.

[@stevenphillip1159]

I love watching the old TV's repair videos

[@boardernut]

shango can you explain what cutoff means for the picture tube, I know emission, but you always mention that while testing them

[@kuebbisch]

Cutoff voltage is the G1 (control grid) bias voltage for the electron gun which creates a black picture. On top of this bias voltage the video signal is applied and if everything is working correctly you get a picture with correct saturation. If the cutoff voltage is out of range or not linear then you will get no picture or a picture with no or too much saturation/contrast. Hollow state audio people call that just the "bias" and write many and long posts on forums on where to set it to get the rights sound 😛 It is just establishing the operating point of any tube.

[@boardernut]

@@kuebbisch right, makes sense I'm guessing then picture tubes should have what we call sharp cut-off G1 as in a pentode for audio, I' m wondering if the grid can be somehow damaged after many years of use or something like that

[@kuebbisch]

@@boardernut Yes, even if a picture tube is more like a triode, due to the construction the electron gun acts like a sharp cut-off tube. The control grid is a ring in front of the cathode and so has a uniform spacing and thus hopefully a linear relationship between control grid voltage and beam current (aka. intensity or brightness on the screen). Measuring this voltage is the same as matching audio tubes for same cathode current when used in push-pull amplifiers (without independet bias control). It is impractical to directly measure beam current (cathode current) in picture tubes due to the high voltage needed to achive the 0.8 - 1 mA most picture tubes run. Even if you achive that current, then you burnt the phosphor in the middle of the screen because the tube tester has no deflection 😁 So measuring bias voltage at cutoff/black level it is...

[@mentaldemise]

OMG, @16:32 I lost it. "Say it again, let me get my twisted tea out." Well played sir.

[@shango066]

you win! first place! it only took 12 hours for someone to acknowledge that

[@davidryan6616]

Is that you in Marvel's Wandavision getting the old TV's working so they can see the old black and White TV show in the make believe town of Westview. 🙂☘️🇮🇪

[@drussell_]

Sleep timers are a common feature on TVs, even still today...

[@russellhltn1396]

I don't think it became common until on-screen display. I'm wondering if this was a hotel TV. The timer is to keep the occupant from leaving it on and burning it out.

[@dh-_1011]

The thickness of the crust on the back of the tube has been dug, my brotha!!!!

[@electrofan7180]

The video of pure enjoyment☻

[@bobs152]

You have a great sense of humor.

[@davidjames666]

I would love to see you get an old dirty junker working, then spray it down with a degreaser, spray it down with a garden hose, then let it dry out in the sun for a few days. then turn it on, and see how resilient it is. I figure if some of your sets survived sitting in desert rainstorms for years, it should survive a reckless cleaning

[@michaelrobertson575]

Well done so far! I look forward to the Receiver Section being brought back to life as well. It's a shame that there's nothing on the air for it to receive. I suppose in this brave new world where Picture Tubes and Synch Pulses and so on have been left behind there is no way to learn about Modern T.V. Sets. You would need the incentive of gainful employment in that area to make this happen so really our story ends along with the end of the All Electronic (Cathode Ray) Analogue Era.

[@boaz708]

In your own words "nasty dirty" says it all. OK, I can take looking at that only because you make the video interesting and a learning experience, so I watch. Thank you for your videos.

[@asbestomolesto]

Well, this is a piece of art

[@2packs4sure]

What's that piece of music starting at 13:10 in what I'm gonna call shango's strange interlude... lol .. What the hell WAS that ???

[@QuadMochaMatti]

Damn groovy, that's what it was. Makes me seriously want to do some crate digging now, but in the perpetual Age of Covid, it will likely have to be the virtual kind.

[@2packs4sure]

@@QuadMochaMatti Lol,, that's it ! That's the word !! It WAS groovy !

[@sparkstron73]

I don't know.

[@bugdrvr]

@@QuadMochaMatti I got to take a trip to a free(er) state recently and it was so nice to be able to go out and just do normal stuff. I even hit up two record stores and ended up bringing a bunch home. I had to work through the whole damn covid thing here in LA without a break and needed to get away before I went nuts.

[@LakeNipissing]

6:38 . . . Dead on with the comments, Shango. The reason we are here is to learn from you with this vintage equipment.

[@Steveuk405]

It does have a look of that Panasonic about it. Notice there is no snow on the screen and little sound. Go in at IF and see what happens after cleaning the valve sockets, Tuner valves OK and does the tuner get LT and HT ?

[@1marcelfilms]

Baked and smoked like a toddler in a smokers car LOLL

[@nathanlewis5682]

1marcelfilms Check out Bill's KZbin vids Curious Cars at Autohaus of Naples Florida. When Bill does a car review he looks at inside the trunk and makes a comment about infants in the trunk, if there's enough room in back seats for the Canadians to be happy, the storage compartments for various weapons or drugs. He even makes comments about the birds, goats, cats looking at him with hostile intent. The detailer doing a sh*t job cleaning the car being reviewed.

[@jamest409]

Love resurrection, I work on vintage Ham Radio amps and have learned alot here

[@MrHeem94]

OH no Mr Fixit I hope you don't have that there 'rona. I know the good people in your lovely state have done sooo much to protect truly outstanding citizens such as yourself. And I also know that they all take it very seriously and go to great lengths to not only protect you, but themselves as well! Please, take care of yourself! A lot of us here in the great free open mind world of KZbin land depend on you!

[@sparkstron73]

Enjoy seeing you get these old sets working and have little idea what any of it means, but the oddness keeps me coming back for more. Maybe i'll absorb some knowledge by osmosis.

[@JasonHalversonjaydog]

if it aint the airplanes it's the birds providing background noise LOL

[@FlatBroke612]

“Merry Christmas from channel 4”

[@suzakule]

putting a LCD TV in vintage equipment is blasphemy!

[@gravybones2002]

What do you say Dave Jones from the EEVBlog.....U wanna send him a multimeter to put through its paces and so he has something a bit more modern and up to date?

[@pglick123]

Those thin surgical gloves seem like a good way to keep your cooked flesh contained when you stick your hand into that warren of transistor bulbs to move them around. 😳

[@phononut]

Down here in the south, a cooing dove meant an impending death. Stay safe.