Shattered Old Chair Repair using 3 Glues - Furniture Restoration by Fixing Furniture

[@banditman142536]

Man you are really good. I am impressed. One of if not the best technical repairs I have ever watched. I watch hundreds of these types of repairs. Keep up the good work. Thank you for the video.

[@FixingFurniture]

Wow, thanks! I appreciate your encouraging feedback! Scott

[@kidkurt1]

I really like your videos. I am in the process of fixing a series of “train wreck “ chairs and your process is really helping me out.

[@noahreese2455]

I think you need to be on TV. You remind me of Bob Ross, but a wood worker. God bless you man, you do good work.

[@FixingFurniture]

Lol, that would be cool! My favourite TV stars are Norm Abram and Dean Johnson - learned a lot from both of them. Scott

[@timdoyon1964]

Dude! I’m a woodworker/creator that’s looking to get better at antique restoration, so I happened along your videos. Not only have you taught me how to do repairs, but you’ve also made me reconsider how I design and build furniture to be stronger and last longer. I really do enjoy your videos, and am very thankful for your teachings. Thank you!

[@davidwilhite8093]

The sound test is very valuable. I have never seen that before. Thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you liked it. Thanks. Scott

[@jacqueshummelgaardolesen]

I like the way, that you used sound to determen if the wood was strong or not, that is a thing that i will use in the future, thank you

[@jeffreynerdin3522]

I agree. Thus his new to me and I’ll be using it on a piece I’m repairing right now.

[@jonathanc.molina5344]

This man is an inspiration of mine

[@FixingFurniture]

I'm glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for that. Scott

[@ujang_ifcsuparman5566]

Love from Indonesia.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for sharing where you're from! Scott

[@Nanna-hpi]

I love how you respect the original piece of furniture.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks Sylvie! Scott

[@nikitaelizarov7444]

I've just found your channel. You do awesome work. So many "restoration" channels on YT do nothing related to the real restoration -- they just remake things (especially outrageous when those things are antiques) to the state they have never been in. Mymechanics comes to mind. With all his skills, he has no respect for the history, the materials and techniques used by original craftsmen who made an object. On the contrary, every time I watch one of your videos, I find myself nodding in approval. I, myself, restore furniture as a hobby, so I know a little about it. And every time I learn something from you. Thank you for sharing the secrets of your craftsmanship.

[@laurencelance586]

NICE WORK!

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@tombarlow6176]

Excellent restoration very nice 🙂🙂🙂

[@robertsalazar5061]

Scott, I learn something new when I watch your videos! Thanks for sharing.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad to hear it! Thanks for being a subscriber Robert!

[@garthok6224]

I found your channel and it is a hidden gem. Thanks for everything

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you enjoy it! Please share it with others. Thanks. Scott

[@jamestaulbee4791]

Thanks for the explanation of the different glue types. Really appreciate your videos. Very helpful tips on vector clamping and making cauls.

[@FixingFurniture]

I'm glad you found this helpful. I hope you become a subscriber James. Thanks. Scott

[@jackiefarnell2536]

Greetings from North Yorkshire, England! Just repairing an auction find - this is invaluable. Thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad to find this helpful. Thanks for sharing that Jackie. I hope you become a subscriber to our channel. Cheers. Scott 🇨🇦

[@jetownsend1]

You make some of the most useful, well put together woodworking videos on KZbin.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you. I appreciate your high complement! I hope you become a subscriber. Scott

[@jaxkereopa107]

Very interesting video thank you. From New Zealand

[@mirozen_]

I've a suggestion that I hope you might find useful as a quick/easy alternative to cutting a chunk of wood to a form that will support a clamping surface for gluing as you did in this video. You might try using some low temperature thermoplastic rather than measuring and cutting a wood piece. The low temp thermoplastic need only be heated to 60 degrees Celsius then shaped on the spot to exactly what you need. After a few minutes of cooling it would be ready to clamp, and it can be reheated and reused again and again. I've used it many times to provide quick support for gluing projects and at times it has been a lifesaver! Excellent video. Thanks!

[@Aaakeith]

I may be misunderstanding, but wouldn’t you want the melt temp of the thermoplastic to be higher than 60 due to the ambient temp of the room likely being 65°+ for the glue to be able to set?

[@mirozen_]

@@Aaakeith You just missed the "Celsius". 60 degrees Celsius is around 140 degrees Fahrenheit - way above room temp for anyone whose not in a sauna! 😊

[@jdrew500]

I've been repairing chairs in my house for 3 decades (poorly I might add). I have learned so much from this one video. Thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad it was helpful! Thank you for sharing your encouraging feedback. Scott

[@wkjeom]

Not surprised a musician fixes beautiful old furniture. Both require artistic ability.

[@FixingFurniture]

Well thank you! Scott

[@felixmotanu1220]

u'r one of my best youtube restoration teachers

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks Felix. I appreciate that. I'm glad you're finding our videos helpful. Scott

[@erinjames4024]

Taping for sound differences makes so much sense

[@davideliasok]

Very educational, thanks a lot!

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad it was helpful! Scott 🇨🇦

[@shopwornbear1171]

New subscriber here; I'm glad there's a Canuck presence doing such high quality work on KZbin. Learned a lot watching this video. Thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks and welcome! Scott 🇨🇦

[@caretinhaulrei]

Asmr with aprendizage. Excelent !!!

[@Peter-td3yk]

My go to videos for proper knowledge..no yelling ,stupidity, games just a calm explanation of how to do it right.. priceless..

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for your feedback Peter. It's nice to hear you appreciate the straight goods versus entertainment videos. I appreciate that. Scott

[@Cradley684]

Great job, Stay Safe !!!.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks, you too!

[@danaowen9014]

Nice repare.Very nice chair

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you very much! Scott

[@fiscalfp6803]

You are an artist, Sir!!!

[@FixingFurniture]

Well thank you. I appreciate that. Scott

[@davecurda2350]

Great repair

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you Dave. I appreciate that! Scott

[@jonathansgarden9128]

This is incredible. Absolutely incredible. You made me realize it's possible to do with practice and lots of patience

[@grahamrankin4725]

Happy to see my favorite clamps can become spreaders

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you learned something new from the video... I love feedback like that. Thanks Graham. Scott

[@MrBgwolf]

I liked the way you did that dowel in the broke tenon. I have had that problem before on a set of chairs I repaired for a customer and instead of using a dowel I cut in to the wood and made a tenon that went in both pieces of wood. That idea would have saved me some time. Thanks for sharing.

[@FixingFurniture]

I'm glad you found that helpful. Thanks for sharing that. Scott

[@tedlym.3390]

I enjoyed watching this video. It was entertaining and educational. Thank you,

[@gingerdunn6590]

I have learned a lot from this video!!!! Thank You from Oklahoma

[@FixingFurniture]

You’re welcome! Scott

[@billdodson207]

first class information and excellent video - thank you

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the encouraging feedback Bill. If you're interested, we also publish a monthly newsletter you can sign up for on the homepage of our website woodenitbenice.ca

[@athmostafa2462]

O , my good the screw driver trick for checking tenen is awesome 😊 brilliant 👌

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you found that helpful. I wasn't sure how people would react to it. Cheers. Scott

[@johnhicks692]

I have watched your repair videos in the past and enjoyed them. Now I am going to get a chance to put some of this knowledge to work. My Mother last night asked if I could tighten up the joints in all of her kitchen chairs and this video was just the instruction to do that.

[@FixingFurniture]

Cool! Thanks for sharing that John. I love to hear that our videos are helping people tackle projects. Good luck and have fun with it! Scott

[@jacobkramer8866]

jacob kramer For clamping parts with many curves and different thicknesses, I often use strips of bicycle inner tires as glue clamps. For instance, I received six broken parts of a meter high African (Makonda) statue made of ebony wood. There was no way of making jigs to create parallel surfaces to mount clamps. With every winding added one increases the pressure of the "clamp" Works great.

[@kll815]

What a great idea! Tfs!

[@FixingFurniture]

I agree with Kristie, that is a good idea. I have latex bands in the shop but I rarely use them. Thanks for sharing that tip Jacob. Scott

[@robertlivingstone5759]

Great video

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks!

[@caroltanzi29]

Great job. The chair looked so good. Enjoyed the video.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Scott

[@paulthompson2035]

I've never seen so much work on a single chair, is it really worth all the work

[@FixingFurniture]

Hi Paul. I've learned over the years not to question someone's interest in investing in their furniture. For some people it's sentimental value. For others it's the love for the design or the fact that they have a matching suite of furniture.

[@kll815]

Yes, it is absolutely worth it! Although the chair was broken, it is still from high quality materials and it is in a class of its own. My Granddad refinished furniture before I was born, and much of the beautiful oak pieces others threw away as useless are still found in my family’s homes. The modern furniture needs to be repaced every 10-20 years, but his furniture is still in beautiful condition.🙂

[@andrewtoth7674]

I found it odd how you made such a point about the sound of the original tenon, the poor connection of the initial fix, but then didn't go back to show how adding the 1/4" dowel fixed it and showed how the sound changed. I do really enjoy your videos; keep up the good work!

[@FixingFurniture]

Good point! I didn't think to do that. I guess I know the strength of a dowel so it never occurred to me. I'll see if I can find another opportunity to try that in the future. Thanks Andrew. Scott

[@jerryhilditch5991]

Liked the diagnosis and repair of the tenon. Smart.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you Jerry. Scott

[@LeutTwostars]

This is ART no doubt.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for your kind words. Scott

[@OGs_Playground]

Man what a great source on how to do it right. Well done! Subbed!

[@mikeh2599]

I try not to fix much furniture, but I do try to restore old radios and I just got a lot of very useful tips. I also look at the approach of your problem solving for ideas.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for sharing that Mike. I'm glad some of the tips are helpful for your restoration work. Scott

[@Alex_science]

Scott, you are an artist. The quality of your job is amazing.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you Alex. I appreciate that. Scott

[@eamonanthony6767]

Nice piece of work, i bet your'e good at jigsaw puzzles.

[@FixingFurniture]

Lol, thank you for the chuckle! Scott

[@roberthellebush8775]

As always, Scott...GREAT lesson!! Thanks!!

[@FixingFurniture]

My pleasure! I'm glad you're enjoying our videos and I hope you be come a subscriber. Scott

[@barbaraanderson58]

Loved the lesson in using sound to check for structural integrity!

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad it was helpful! I was worried it might not be relatable for some people. Scott

[@annroberts3635]

Thanks for sharing this video. Great job and love the tips. Ann from Va.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you liked it Ann. Thanks for sharing that! Scott

[@neilchristiansen1123]

Another great video with many techniques you have shown before being applied. There were a few new things to me. The tapping for tone on the repaired tenon and the fill stick that melted into the void were new to me. I would love to see more on both of these.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for the feedback Neil. If you haven't seen it yet, here's a video about wood filler that includes the use of burn-in sticks kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmqudGZsrr-XkNU This is another video that has burn-in sticks as part of the repair kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZK7pIiQmtZgqqs

[@pteddie6965]

Beautiful repair, my friend. Thanks for leading us through the entire process. I enjoy the full length videos.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the feedback. Scott

[@ellisc.foleyjr9778]

Lots of excellent tips in this one Scott!. great use of all three glues and epoxy's. and I liked the dowel support tip. also. and the sound analysis. I have also used the same type of clamps/spreaders for years and agree in how effective they are. Thanks again for another great tutorial and for sharing.

[@FixingFurniture]

You're welcome Ellis. I had a hard time editing this one down to a reasonable time but I'm glad you appreciate the variety of tips. Thanks for subscribing! Scott

[@bmedicky]

The tap test and listening to the different tones produced is a pure gold tip!

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you like it! Thanks for sharing that. Scott

[@ErikArneson]

Amazing. Thank you for the fantastic tips.

[@FixingFurniture]

You are so welcome! Thanks for sharing that. Scott

[@nasimnb4275]

you are good, that sound matching technic blew my mind.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you liked it!

[@MaximilianBocek]

Clear as a bell, all of it. Thank you. I"m subscribed. NIcely done as a video, skillful work and excellent result. I work on guitars, and it was very reinforcing (no pun) and fascinating to see you make the same sorts of glue choices on a chair as one would on a guitar, and interesting to note the differences. We use aliphatic resin (wood glue) mainly, and protein-based glues (hide and fish glue) mostly on vintage instruments, cyanoacrylate glue (super glue) on fine cracks, and very rarely epoxy. When there is missing wood, luthiers tend to replace it to fill the gaps. On an antique guitar, you might use modern glues for joining things that were never meant to be apart, and hide glue for the things that were.

[@FixingFurniture]

Wow, that's interesting to see the parallels. Thanks for sharing that Mark! Scott 🇨🇦

[@MaximilianBocek]

@@FixingFurniture all that and your caul for clamping the curved back to the seat and legs also reminded me of what I do. I have a box full of cauls for clamping difficult parts of a guitar. I'll be tracking your work to see if I can pick up any tips!

[@rosemaryoconnor630]

Thank you for clearing up some questions I had about glues, especially hide glue.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad it was helpful! Thank you for sharing that... I find it encouraging. Scott

[@milushmaduro5399]

Weer een prachtige werk, heb van geleerd. Bedankt voor het delen👍🏻another beautiful work, I learned from it. Thanks for sharing

[@McRaeJim]

That was not a chair that was fire wood Wow great job. Enjoyable to watch and inspiring.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you James. I'm glad you enjoyed it! Scott

[@jeanine6492]

Some great tips presented (as usual) in an easy to understand manner. Can’t wait for the next video

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for sharing that Jeanie. New video out today! Cheers. Scott

[@ToolMetrix]

Incredible craftsmanship! Great video; thanks for sharing.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you very much! Scott

[@krenwregget7667]

great video, great results.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@fujiclimb2010]

Great vid. Thanks for sharing your expertise.

[@FixingFurniture]

You're welcome. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Scott

[@chris-terrell-liveactive]

packed with really useful information, thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you liked it. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the video! Scott

[@ondinadixon1875]

WOW! WOW! Just BRILLIANT 👏❤️

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you. I appreciate that! Scott

[@kristytitanyan5534]

Thank you!

[@FixingFurniture]

You're welcome! Cheers. Scott

[@rkvt]

Helpful for me this time as I have tenons that are broken. I can't reinforce the tenon w a dowel as you did. I think I am going to fill the mortise w bondon/epoxy and then drill for a dowel. It's on an H stretcher and the mortise has been stuffed w glue by a prior repair so I have some clean out to do. Thanks for the videos -- very helpful.

[@kll815]

I played baritone saxophone in concert and jazz band! I greatly enjoy your videos, and watching you, Odd Tinkering, and Dashner Design and Restoration all get me itching to get back into my frozen garage! In a few weeks, your butt heat glue trick will work. I am going to giggle every time I get my wood glue out now! Thank you for your excellent and common-sense videos. 🎷🛠

[@FixingFurniture]

Baritone sax! I played one in a band just because Mustang Sally was in our set list... I loved paying it. Such a rich sound! You must have enjoyed it playing in several bands. Thanks for your encouraging comments and a giggle. Cheers. Scott

[@erinjames4024]

What a nice workshop

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you! Scott

[@pablolynch1152]

Thank you. Great example for the people that think that annoying music is important to good messages.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks Pablo! Scott

[@jimbraun3955]

I enjoy watching your videos! I've followed Thomas Johnson for a few years and I was not surprised to hear you say recently that you either studied under him or use his methods. It's good to see work done well. Thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for sharing that Jim. I'm glad you're enjoying our videos. I haven't studied under Tom, but that would be fun! Cheers. Scott

[@jcrefasi1]

@@FixingFurniture I follow Tom Johnson and found your channel through a collab you did with him. Now I enjoy watching both of you. I always learn from every video. You both have a great teaching style and love of antiques. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and talent. Jo

[@bendirval3612]

I love these silicone cups. Thank you for making me aware of them! All this time I've been using random disposable cups and other makeshift devices when I use epoxy.

[@jamesschenken1636]

The break at13:24 looks a lot like the original glue line for the panel used to fabricate the piece. That would account for the stain inside the joint that failed.

[@Brad26843]

wish i could give 2 thumbs up for this video

[@FixingFurniture]

Lol - thanks Brad! Scott

[@Amen.22]

I used burn in sticks that were hard. It took lots of practice to be able to do a burn in on a high gloss tabletop, without damaging the finish. I've used auto body filler where part of a intricate carved piece was missing. It's easy to carve to the same shape, then I would color in the background color with powdered stains mixed with clear lacquer. Then draw in any other colors and the grain lines.

[@FixingFurniture]

That's interesting. I haven't tried powdered stains yet. Is the lacquer you use called brushing lacquer? Thanks. Scott

[@creightonwest6632]

I have run into the same problem with liquid hide glue in my cold shop. I never thought of putting it in my pocket to keep it warm. As always, thanks again.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad the idea helps. If I'm planning ahead, I'll leave it in the house before I use it. If I'm tight on time, I'll let it sit in warm water for a few minutes.

[@jerryevans6646]

Wish you would do a tour of your shop, and tools.

[@cocomuncha7667]

Sir, you just found a new friend today. Kiora from New Zealand 🇳🇿♥️

[@FixingFurniture]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@singhA1968]

excellent

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@Goalsplus]

Impossible! Well done.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you! Scott

[@ape337YT]

You are MASTER

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you very much Angel. Scott

[@ape337YT]

@@FixingFurniture how much epoxy costs (i need it for my projekts) sry for my bad english

[@PrincernPrince]

Brilliant!

[@clayswenson2068]

Lot of detailed work for very good repair. How do you determine charge?

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks Clay. Pricing is a challenging topic as there are a lot of variables including where you live. It's also somewhat of a trade secret. I offer 1-on-1 advice sessions if you'd like some personalized advice and the inside scoop. Here's a link to purchase a session woodenitbenice.ca/collections/woodworking-advice-sessions

[@RJ-nh9hw]

Now that I am used to your manner of presentation, I want to thank you for the fine education you provide. I intend to steal every trick you present or at least try to keep it in my aged memory! If all that fails, I will just return to your videos and drink more coffee as I enjoy them. Go outside and shovel some snow for fun!

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks for the encouraging feedback R J. I appreciate that. Scott

[@markharrisllb]

This is the first video I’ve seen of yours, it came up in my recommendations and I'm really pleased it did. What a pleasure you are to watch and listen to, definitely a couple of tips around epoxy that were new to me. Unfortunately I can only like the video once because I’d like it more if I could. It’s great to see a skilled but humble craftsman. I've not been able to get into my small hobbyist workshop since Sept 2019, but looking forward to getting back in there this spring. I can only manage small hobbyist projects, but I like to use hide glue. When I do I buy the pearls and warm them up in a body wax heater. I have it on at about 70° to prepare it ad then turn it down to about 60°, it works out incredibly cheap for the glue and those waxing pots are a tenth of the price of a proper glue crock. I like the reversibility of it as I do tend to make mistakes partly through poor mobility and partly through plain and simple lack of skill. A very easy decision to subscribe and looking forward to getting into your back catalogue of videos. If what I've seen thus far is anything to go by Im in for some real treats.

[@FixingFurniture]

I'm glad you enjoyed this video. Thank you for subscribing. If you're interested, we also publish a monthly newsletter you can sign up for on the homepage of our website woodenitbenice.ca

[@seanbrotherton542]

That chair started out looking like it was used in an old western saloon bar fight scene. It left with a new lease on life. I appreciate the demonstrations of the various glue types. Should hide glue be used to connect dowel joints and surfaces? I use Titebond original but have often wondered how I would ever get the joint apart if I ever needed to. Any advice you could give to increase my knowledge?

[@kll815]

In general, I have observed that he uses the hide glue on the vintage/antique pieces where it may need to come apart again in the future. If it doesn’t need to come apart (like the split pieces in the chair back) or it’s a modern piece, he would use the titebond.

[@FixingFurniture]

Yep, you got it Kristie! Scott

[@FixingFurniture]

Hi Sean. Hide glue is a reversible glue so you can disassemble the joint in the future. There are different reasons for using different glues. Here's a video dedicated to that topic so you can learn when to use what type of glue - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3yTeoVujLmSoKc

[@mariushegli]

I have nothing to say really, but I appreciate your content, and wish to help with the yt-algorithms.

[@FixingFurniture]

Thanks Marius

[@jcrefasi1]

What a beauty! I am so happy that she is back to her former glory! Wonder if it was thrown or dropped to have that much damage or just normal wear and use?

[@robertblitch4702]

Just wow

[@FixingFurniture]

Well thank you! Scott

[@briangoldberg4439]

I think you did a great job. Not really my style of furniture there, but it's interesting to watch the repair nonetheless.

[@Jessiebes]

That was very interesting. I learned a lot. Thank you.

[@FixingFurniture]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the feedback. Scott

[@airford13]

stumbled across your channel by accident, but i love it! like to do this stuff myself. keep up the good work sir, looking forward to seeing many more of your videos. liked and subscribed!!

[@FixingFurniture]

Thank you for your feedback. Happy to hear you're enjoying our videos. If you're interested, we also publish a monthly newsletter you can sign up for on the homepage of our website woodenitbenice.ca

[@frankcrawford416]

If for some reason you had to sand a repair if the pieces did not fit exactly together. How would you go about staining the repaired area without stripping the whole leg. Thank you.

[@tejolisboa]

I wonder if someone has tried to destroy the chair, or is it the wood that is bad... Great job!

[@LuminousWatcher]

How do you get the glue squeeze out from the inside of a dowel joint, like the one you opened with a long dowel?

[@FixingFurniture]

Good question. After the squeeze out dries, run a drill bit in the hole backwards to clear it out. By running it backwards, you reduce the risk of changing the profile of the mortice. I hope that helps. Scott

[@cobberpete1]

Great job. Love the knocking trick to test integrity. I must get some silicon cups... I go through 'Dozens' of throw away egg cups from the dollar shop. I weigh my epoxy. If I used the pumps, I would waste too much

[@FixingFurniture]

That sounds interesting. I find I'm wasting epoxy. How did you figure out with appropriate weights to use?

[@cobberpete1]

@@FixingFurniture I have a decent set of digital kitchen scales. Using West Systems. 5:1 5 grams Epoxy, 1 gram hardener.

[@fatersaadatniaki]

Scott! I almost was loosing it when you drilled through that dowel! Still wonder how you didn’t end up shattering that already broken dowel into pieces while drilling through! I just didn’t dare to do that! Specially since the original dowel looked like having flat oval cross section rather than circular!

[@FixingFurniture]

I sped up the video so I didn't bore viewers but I took my time and stayed perfectly still while I drilled this. I've done this a few times before so I had some experience to rely on. I have to admit I was nervous as I slowly made my way though the tenon. Cheers. Scott

[@fatersaadatniaki]

@@FixingFurniture for an inexperienced me I would have resorted to make a collar or a dowel drill jig to just hold that end grain together! Glad that it worked just fine! Boy oh boy that was one hell of a restoration job and looked old enough to call it an antique !