She didn't think Wanda meant any harm

[@RHTQ1]

I would argue that she's a bit like a veteran with ptsd, just a crazy powerful magic super veteran.

[@Blisscent]

Very much agree. She’s protecting herself because she can’t deal with the pain.

[@jm7781]

​@@BlisscentEven so, she is victimizing people, it may not be on purpose, but it is still harming them.

[@alexdolye9717]

​@@jm7781we all agree on that but I believe the discussion is more about how the initial anomoly was unintentional and there were moments were she tried to reverse her actions but that then started to dematerialize her kids and anyone would choose their kids over others ya know?

[@adaj472]

Valid

[@kingtutancamon3775]

“He didn’t want to be anyone’s weapon” says the man who works with the guys dissecting him to make a weapon.

[@jumbojaba1235]

A lot of ppl like to blame wanda and stand up for what Hayward but in reality I think that… Wanda was the villain here, and so was Hayward. Wanda didn’t resurrect vision and everything she did was against her will, but as the show went on she became blatantly Aware of what was happening and aloud it to continue. But Hayward was being very hypocritical here saying Wanda needed to be eliminated for resurrecting vision against his will when that’s exactly what he was tryna do, both r baddies. I think Monica was a bit stupid a lot of the time with her reasoning but her method of trying to make the scarlet witch understand what she was doing was a lot more effective than Hayward tryna destroy her

[@tuananhdang7385]

Because Monica is literally right? Wanda didnt enslave the town on purpose and didnt know the people there shared her pain. And as Monica said Wanda chose to protect Monica when throwing her across town. Obviously Wanda had no ill intentions, just grief

[@DonoZeek]

But in every other context which a lot, she is the villain.

[@dasherplayz4471]

THANK YOU At least someone on the internet can think. Like, its not that hard to grasp that more than 1 person can be the villain/in the wrong

[@takutolovex]

Hay wanted to use Vision as a weapon. Wanda has PTSD and is if anything just insanely self-centered, but not 'bad'

[@rehanshaikh1316]

Ur point is right but wanda wasn't the villain agahta was.

[@jonesman7124]

The audacety of this man saying she disregarded visions wishes because he didnt want to be anyones weapon. While she plays house with vision and the general literaly uses vision as a weapon.

[@onetallpheeesh]

Wanda was failed from the start. They always treated her like a Liability. She never recovered from her childhood trauma because she never stopped experiencing trauma. She is a Villain but a sympathetic one. She was made to be one when she was experimented on. She tried to be Good but the Avengers only ever recognized her for her potential for damage and harm. She created her perfect world out of trauma. She is the most complex character in the entirety of the MCU. I refuse to accept that she is dead.

[@cm_0011]

He’s such a liar - she didn’t steal Vision’s body, he just wanted to make her an enemy, figure out how she brought some form of Vision back, and destroy him

[@lionrampant31]

My inner Trekkie is kicking in here. "How many people does it take before it becomes wrong, Admiral?"

[@NeyamRye]

Frrr

[@drainvigor]

And in Wanda's defense she didnt understand she was using chaos magic that was causing people to suffer and die As soon as she realized she was hurting people she brought down the hex pre darkhold... And she genuinely thought everyone was safe and at peace

[@lilith4413]

Hayward was doing his job but he was doing it horribly. If he showed Wanda kindness there would have been way less horror

[@rosiejavier5078]

If they would’ve shown her a little bit of empathy when vision died, this would’ve never happened.

[@Zosia-jl4qu]

Calling her a terrorist is strictly incorrect, she's not using terror to achieve political goals. She has no political goals in this and she's not using terror. Not really. Her actions are unacceptable and horrific. But a label of terrorist is a very specific one.

[@joshuagiehll3737]

She literally enslaved an entire town, and then threatened anyone that tried to stop it. Then after the repeated warnings of how bad the Darkhold is continued to use it to gain access to "children" she herself never had. Threatening to murder and steal the powers of another child. She may have helped save the universe, that does not give you the freedom to ignore the damage you are doing to everyone around you just to get what you want.

[@anthonyhubbard8]

Wanda was wrecked by grief and pain, she wasn’t a terrorist intentionally causing pain and fear to spread. Maybe by MoM she was, but Rambeau wasn’t wrong in accurately assessing the situation

[@DreamerDaLeader]

@@anthonyhubbard8the darkhold also corrupts the user, which is why Agatha says she has no idea what she has just done when she loses the book,(theory starts) because even though Agatha is evil the darkhold made her worse, and her eyes “opened” when she lost the book. (Theory ends) which is also why Wanda destroys the darkhold in everything universe.

[@joshuagiehll3737]

@anthonyhubbard8 again, grief and pain does not make what she is doiing ok. "Intentional" or not the reality of the situation is what matters, not her feelings. She was a sentient nuke currently going off and killing an entire town. As sleazy as the government guy is (don't remember his name), he isn't wrong. It's all the worse when it is revealed that the townsfolk are conscious under the spell, completely are the entire time of what's going on. Doctor Doom doing this exact same stuff in the comics to his own country is called a tyrannical dictator.

[@anthonyhubbard8]

@ it’s about intent, Dr. Doom wants power and control while Wanda is just wracked with grief and created a happy sitcom fantasy where people don’t get hurt. I’m not saying what she did was good, but in assessing the situation the general was wrong. Knowing the intention of what you are trying to stop is key and the reason we have intelligence teams

[@mattzarza5170]

​@@anthonyhubbard8we also know what HE did with Vision so yeah fxxk that guy

[@ReyanshandAmogh]

I like how this show is based on a sitcom and 2 of the actors are from other shows like Max from 2 broke girls and Louis from fresh off the boat

[@drainvigor]

This is the scarlet witch origin story and like mutants who have trouble controling their powers, so does wanda who didnt even know she was a witch

[@skadi7654]

Scarlet witch isn't a mutant.

[@TaurielTheElf]

I don't get Monica's point here. What kind of argument is "She could've hurt more people if she didn't stop herself"? Whether she's hurting 10 people or 1000 people, she's still hurting innocent people. How does quantity change the situation? Serial killers are still serial killer whether they kill 5 people or 50 people.

[@Ultra_JTB]

The point is that Wanda wasn’t actually being malicious. The hex was made by accident after she had an emotional breakdown and only continued because she was in denial about the reality of it. She clearly had no intention of harm since when she ejected Monica, she actively shielded her from the damage said ejection would have caused. In the final few episodes where she properly realizes what she’s putting the people through, she opens the hex back up and lets them go. The entire thing was just a result of grief making someone lose control of powers they didn’t even know they had until that very moment.

[@TaurielTheElf]

​@@Ultra_JTB Yeah, I've seen the show, I know what happens. That's not what I was criticising. I said that Monica's argument was stupid from an in-universe perspective. She's saying that as if it's a good thing Wanda isn't hurting *more* people than she could. I'm not saying the guy is right, but in this situation, he had a point with "she's hurting innocent people, we need to stop her" and Monica replying to that specific statement with "well at least she isn't hurting more innocent people" is a stupid thing to say when you're supposed to be a smart character. If Wanda had an entire country under her control, would that be enough people for Monica? If instead of blatantly defending Wanda she would've said something along the lines of "we should know how and why she does it before acting", that would've made more sense and would be in accordance with Monica's beliefs that Wanda is still a good person without making herself look stupid.

[@adrianmcbride1666]

​@@TaurielTheElfrt of the point may have also been that antagonizing Wanda could have very serious consequences.

[@KakuroKing3407]

I understand having complex empathy for villains but this comment section seems like it would cheer on the Joker bc he’s “not all there”. PTSD is not an excuse, as horrible as it is. It is concerning when Wanda is considered justified. Every clip (and in the movies) she’s correct, but her actions are way out of line. They are her powers, it’s her responsibility to understand them.

[@TaurielTheElf]

@@adrianmcbride1666 That's for a later episode, buddy. And that's very clearly not what Monica is saying in this scene. She sympathises with Wanda because she lost her mother, but that's not a reason to be on her side when she does fucked up shit. Nothing, and I mean nothing, justifies hurting innocent people. When you do wrong things for the right reason, you're still doing wrong things. The fact that Monica refuses to think about that makes her look incredibly stupid. That alongside her line in the finale "They'll never know what you sacrificed for them"

[@Apollo-apollo-g5x]

Wanda isn’t evil she just had really really immense ptsd and those who say she’s evil cause she didn’t end the hex immediately at least she ended it there are many people who wouldn’t of

[@sinkler245]

Parker!!!! From drop dead diva!!!

[@Creativduck]

Bruh I just realized that the actress that played max from 2 broke girls is here

[@eeriemothking1794]

ARE YOU GETTING 2 BROKE GIRLS REELS TOO 😂

[@Creativduck]

@@eeriemothking1794 YEAH DUDE EVERY TIME🤣

[@GhazalaLuqman]

And Louis from Fresh of the boat

[@greynotgray6808]

She's in every Thor movie 😅

[@Dopebunnie]

@@eeriemothking1794she’s not just the acretess who is in 2 broke girls she’s a very successful actress who has been in many movies and shows from the 2000s and even before 2 broke girls. Your only saying that because you’ve only seen her from the shorts 😑

[@Vegito_is_strapped]

Holy shit huang is that you?

[@MisterRorschach90]

It’s so funny how fast people forget you saved the universe. Not just the country, planet, solar system, or galaxy. But she literally participated in and dealt the majority of the damage in the battle that decided the fate of the UNIVERSE. But she gets wrecked with grief and does something weird they can’t explain and suddenly she’s a terrorist. I actually agree with her for becoming a villain after this now.

[@Gummyz25]

I mean I do understand Wanda helped save the world but we see through Mrs hart in AAA that they are still severely impacted mentally by her and she has ruined some peoples lives. She shouldn’t be suffering at the hands of S.W.O.R.D. but they couldn’t exactly sit back and do nothing

[@blackrecruitFlt]

This has the be the dumbest thing I have ever heard

[@kosopaty]

You're thinking in black and white. Wanda saved universe = Wanda is obviously good, how can they not trust her. There are two problems with that thinking: 1. Plenty of bad/problematic people would fight to save the universe. Murderess, child abuses, corrupted politicians and yes, some of terrorists too. They're living in that universe! Their plans and dreams are in that universe! Most "bad people" don't actually want to destroy the world or whatever, they just have their own goals and don't care for currently established laws/moral codes. 2. When you're one in charge of security you don't care if someone is "good" or care for their motives. Whats important for you is if someones is a danger, a risk. It doesn't matter if Wanda is acting upon grief or if shes evil and wants to rule the world. What matters is that shes a walking nuke may or may not detonate.

[@casterminion69]

She did so only to get revenge. She didn’t care about saving the universe. The only heroic thing she did was in Ultron, which was just cleaning up her own mess. She’s my favorite character but marvel did not write her as a hero

[@sonwuzi2845]

Look bro Wanda’s not gonna let you hit she’s the villain here

[@muster9464]

Wanda is not Terrorist. That is u .

[@otterlord_1187]

She used her domain expansion

[@phgraviyt3650]

Max ❤

[@mskerczak]

“West view” “Wanda vision”

[@Limonade808]

max just being not funny without coraline

[@roxywyndham]

Umm it’s like say she couldn’t killed 100 more but they gave themselves a limit so tf 😂😂

[@alphi.2053]

Max black?

[@xLoVeKiLlS2829x]

Wanda did the same thing that Hayward (the twat waffle older guy saying she's the bad guy) was doing. But technically speaking, Hayward was using him to become a weapon. Wanda just wanted to bury him and severe ptsd hit and triggered her and she didn't realize or know what she was doing. I still think there's more to the show and what happened/what was the cause

[@FURRYHATER1214]

What's max black doing here

[@ETPlayground]

No, she knew and the audience decided to ignore the Black woman during Black history month.

[@Rndmnpc004]

Wanda is a villain periodt. Hayward’s still an a-hole though.

[@ellevillamor4454]

Truer words have never been spoken

[@anis.adriana]

Wrong! she's an anti-hero, she always starting with bad thing, but at the end sacrifice what she has, her parents, her brother, her family, even herself, to fix everything

[@uveshpanja6293]

Every Marvel character is anti-hero in Comics most times ​@@anis.adriana

[@sebastion1457]

She gets taken crontrol of by wanda and instantly starts gaslighting her squad, she's compromised

[@mattzarza5170]

She still did nothing wrong 😭

[@Prinzessin_Der_Veruteilung]

She enslaved a whole town and when aware of it, didn't stop anyways and also don't forget MoM

[@mattzarza5170]

@Prinzessin_Der_Veruteilung that were the writers controlling her t.t she is innocent your honor !!

[@Ultra_JTB]

⁠​⁠@@Prinzessin_Der_Veruteilung in the case of MoM, the darkhold had corrupted her. As for her not letting the people go immediately, yeah that’s a fair point but it could be rationalized by her just not really understanding the pain she was causing them until they were finally able to vocalize it in the finale

[@DonoZeek]

Why is she defending Wanda? She really was the villain.

[@sroymoeun]

She was being wrongfully blamed that she stole the vision body. She did not. In fact, the guy is the one that turned vision into a weapon and that is not lawful.

[@kattiecantsleep123]

Wanda was def in the wrong. This chick got that Stockholm Syndrome shit bad.

[@heathconely3573]

So Wanda is a bad guy big surprise

[@eddiemarohl5789]

Just because it could be worse doesn't take away from her holding thousands hostage what kind of defense is that?