She tried to defend I am not Starfire, it didn't go well...

[@Hellothere-ki3hn]

Also the only reason why Mandy changed was because she got what she wanted. THATS NOT A GOOD MORAL.

[@RoseyVamp]

Not to mention her mom had to almost die for her to wake tf up and realize how awful she was being towards everyone

[@ezkillguy8316]

Ez

[@nicolautorgal9298]

Imagine how good the story could have been. Mandy is the insufferable girl we all know. Then, she gains powers - the thing she hated others for. And THIS is where the story would truly begin, with her accepting herself as she works towards fixing her past mistakes and slowly getting closer to those around her. And her acceptance wouldn't come from her powers, but rather the character development she got after receiving them. It saddens me how easily this story could have worked. The base work is actually good, the concepts are there, but the execution is so superficial....

[@dizzyheads]

Ikr It just sounds petty

[@humanperson1835]

@@nicolautorgal9298 couldve even gone the deathnote path and made her evil. At the end when she realizes shes gone too far and sees what shes become, its already too late.

[@fardinkarimy3614]

i am not starfire starfire: *YOU ARE GODDAMN RIGHT*

[@happyhoovy7188]

Y E S

[@blaizegottman4139]

That was clever

[@aebious8886]

"you're not that guy pal, you're not that guy"

[@tannerthepanman9202]

@@aebious8886 trust me, you’re not that guy

[@hokachi6401]

@@aebious8886 trust me pal you’re not that guy

[@doro5026]

A better plot would be that Mandy is severely depressed so she couldn't unlock her emotion-based powers, it could be a journey to opening up to her mother about her problems after distancing herself from her or learning how to be truly happy, with herself and with life. Instead, we get this..

[@ScytheManiac]

If you wrote a fanfic with that premise i'd prob read it. but i would not read the dumpster fire

[@bananat0fu]

I would also probably read it

[@petalleaf2808]

I would honestly be interested in the comic if it was written this way. That sounds cool and interesting!

[@whats_tungsten9178]

that’s a good idea

[@jellyguts6797]

literally random people in a comment section can come up with a better story than the professionally published comic itself

[@miguelperez9906]

Don’t forget Mandy legitimately made fun of her mother’s accent in the book. Like her mom is nothing but sweet and supportive to her yet the Oh so relatable character is absolute shit.

[@aienma6660]

By accent, do you mean her slight over use of the word 'the' Havn't read it, but I do know that's a quick of Starfires That or the few clips of TTG I see has ruined what I recall of her, and that is a TTG quirk

[@whatsittoya7718]

I hope everyone who relates to Mandy are open about it so I know who exactly to avoid.

[@yinsloth5001]

No surprised at all was never going to read it. Just another reason to give up on DC at this point.

[@blidfed939]

You actually read it

[@Fedorah_Mccain]

Since when did Starfire have an accent?

[@MrVlad12340]

“And thats why you NEVER get wasted in the Iceberg Lounge!” - probably Starfire talking to Raven about her kid.

[@kg2131]

I heard after that night cobblepot turned his life around and gained a titanic boost in confidence.

[@MDG-mykys]

Who got wasted? Her kid or her as the reason she gave birth to her kid?

[@wheeeeeha]

The implication is that the Penguin raped and impregnated Starfire with his goblin offspring.

[@ezkillguy8316]

@@wheeeeeha ez

[@Gab_1123]

@@wheeeeeha wow thats dark...is that canon

[@87you87tube]

The fact that she never apologize to her mom Starfire and her crush Claire just proved how vile a person Mandy and the person inspired this character, aka the writer herself, really are.

[@marhawkman303]

yeah, Claire gets DOUBLE and triple shamed for being a kind and caring person.... and is forced to apologize for it? If the writer thinks this is reasonable she is utterly insane.

[@bobcat7949]

I know right! This comic was the worst!

[@greenpenguin0763]

I'm always right, even if im doing something bad I'll not apologize because it's your fault. Huge ego, no accountability, almost every Twitter user ever

[@orlandolee4438]

OH WE'VE GOT A MODEL WRITER OVER HERE!!!

[@TheTSense]

I would put Mandy and Homelander in the same category. The difference is that Mandy lives in a World that can stand up to her.

[@_Nykolaii_]

"If you turn comments off, what you have to say is irrelevent" -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@aryabratsahoo7474]

"I am Based." -Sun Tzu, The Art of Based

[@Nombrenooriginal]

@@aryabratsahoo7474 soldier was right that sun tzu is the best strategic man

[@yourmilkisontheway5214]

@@aryabratsahoo7474 "My quotes are everywhere" -Sun Tzu, Art of War

[@s.m.g.2391]

@@yourmilkisontheway5214 “I never said that!!!” -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@mr.velasco4919]

then he used his fight money to buy two animals on the earth!!

[@pinkneko13]

She didn't just self-insert into the story, that would be fine, she self inserted into the story to specifically crap on Starfire, a beloved character in the DC community.

[@petscopkid]

Honestly I think self-inserts can actually be pretty good, but a lot we see are cringey stuff like Dumpsterfire. -Actually, “I am not starfire” is probably worse

[@abdurrehmannasir5963]

@@petscopkid True self-inserts can be an easy way to create a realistic character provided the author acknowledges and addresses both the flaws and the strengths of the character.

[@billy-the-butcher]

@@abdurrehmannasir5963 worst problem with self inserts is that the entire universe of the story starts revolving around them, and no matter how spoilt and rude and stupid they act, every other character loves and forgives them all the time (definition of Mary Sue) It takes a person with huge self awareness to create a realistic self insert whose presence isn't ridiculous

[@belindaschaefer6870]

why does she hate starfire lmao

[@reikun86]

@@belindaschaefer6870 Let’s see...tall, beautiful, sexy, warm-hearted, joyful... Either she hates all these qualities, or she got rejected by someone who had any of these qualities (including the red hair)

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

Starfire: Dealt with a homicidal sister who murdered their parents and tried to enslave her (and was enslaved in many continuities) Mandy: Dealt with having a loving and supportive mother who's just trying to help her. Not even in an insensitive way. Starfire trying to help her pick out colleges IS something a lot of parents do. I know a guy who does nothing but self-inserts. Bad ones at that. He'll make some "super original character" for a fandom, someone (me before I just muted him) will point out that character already exists in said fandom (One example was him making basically a Kurogiri from MHA who's a CP9 character from One Piece. Several people pointed out that's just Blueno), and he'll ignore that while trying to insist how original his self-insert is

[@donutbevil9669]

He wasn't trolling?

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

@@donutbevil9669 Nope. It's all he does. Nothing but OP SI/OCs. All the damn time. And in that particular instance, he did his best to show why his OC was different than Blueno. He failed, but he gave it the good old college try.

[@donutbevil9669]

@@MurasakiTsukimaru Even I'm not that creatively bankrupt.

[@永井健一郎-v8j]

Also, that even in something like the more recent comics or the Cartoon Network animated series. Starfire is *incredibly* caring and defensive of pretty much everyone (especially her friends) and wants to believe there's good in everyone. She even refuses to give up on her sister being a good person deep down (she's not).

[@MurasakiTsukimaru]

@@永井健一郎-v8j Speaking of, I got a chuckle out of people insisting "I Am Not Starfire isn't for adults! It's for the teenagers who grew up with the Teen Titans cartoon!" You know, the one that's 18 years old, making the "teenagers" who grew up with it adults in their mid 20s at least

[@caponebd7941]

I just wanna give credit to One for actually getting a lot better as an artist. He really has gotten a lot better compared to the start of the webcomic.

[@magicmauro8803]

Just saw the most recent chapter of the webcomic and you are right

[@bethanybrookes8479]

Didnt he say that it started out as a way to practice his art anyway?

[@proxybum8895]

Who is One and what's his webcomic?

[@kingofthenorth2297]

@@proxybum8895 one punch man and mob psycho they are talking about one punch man. The webcomic not the manga obviously. Edit: he is the creator of one punch man and mob psycho.

[@soulsemblance3163]

@@proxybum8895 he is the author if one punch man. He has a webcomic version of it and the manga is just an adaptation of that

[@justaserbiandoomer497]

Mandy: *shows every trait of a bad and unlikeable character* People: *hate her for obvious reasons* Mandy: "I'm gay" People: *are called homophobic* Why is today's world like this

[@niya4981]

I’ve actually seen more people be accused of not liking emo people more than the homophobic comments, it’s still weird either way. The story was shitty💀

[@kiamichelleee.]

@@niya4981 Same here. Like, I don't hate emo’s at all it's just her whole demeanor is disgusting needs to be put in her place. And I'm glad people are calling her toxic b.s out.

[@niya4981]

@@kiamichelleee. so true, of course people don’t act rationally in certain situations but her entire character and the story in general is just a shitty person with a shitty attitude towards everyone because they have something she doesn’t but once she gets that something she’s done being mean. She doesn’t have to apologize or anything she just gets what she wants and suddenly she’s not being toxic anymore

[@Jonathan-A.C.]

People are stupid and try to excuse actual criticism in lieu of strawmanning traits and lying about people’s actual words

[@kittyyoutuber9]

ikr, like dude! What if a gay person kills my family, what on earth am I supposed to do? My god! some LGBT people are forgetting the goal of the community and that is to be treated like normal people not think you're above all.... Bruh

[@disturbedoldmaster9020]

Dam gotta love how people hide behind LGBTQ as a argument like you can't still hate they're personalities

[@depressoreo]

Seriously though, nowadays people are either faking or using their LGBTQ card to make themselves look like the victim in the argument - I've argued with a bunch of them and let me tell you they're so fucking annoying to deal with, won't even give up after they've been called out.

[@marhawkman303]

@@depressoreo yeah I've seen several youtubers call themselves "canonically bisexual".... just to pander to LGBT people. In the context of what they did streaming? there's no reason to even bring it up.

[@LowSelf-EsteemLord]

Fr tho like I'm gay (hate I have to say that😒) and you CANT just use that as a shield. That is disgusting

[@johndunn1625]

"I'm mad because I don't have powers yet" So what, Dick Grayson is dead in this timeline? No way in hell I'd be mad I don't have powers if my dad was Batman's coworker and former apprentice

[@juma8126]

He probably wishes he was given how "beautifully" his face (and butt) have been drawn in this comic.

[@rachelciel3330]

I saw from another channel that sacrifice herself to read this trash-- the dad is never revealed who. Even the trash didn't even know who her father was.

[@Kctcreeper]

@@rachelciel3330 I saw something similar. There’s a panel with nightwing in it too

[@marhawkman303]

@@rachelciel3330 I think the author was so much of a dimwit she couldn't figure out what to write in for Mandy's father. Mandy is made to intentionally look different from her mother, MUCH shorter, with paler skin, and a stocky figure. But... unless Human and Tamaranean DNA interact weirdly(which we have no reason to think they do, since it's come up before and NOT been a problem), Mandy's father.... looks an awful lot like Oswald Cobblepott. Which... is probably part of the issue. the writer couldn't come up with a decent explanation for WHY Mandy looks unlike a Tamaranean. So the father is left out of the story... and conspicuously so since the writer is stuck in a corner and doesn't know how to write out of it.

[@kannan07]

Her grandpa,his girlfriend his cousin Her dad,his ex,3 uncles NON OF EM HAVE ANY POWERS And yet,they are some of the greatest heroes

[@whizz_0711]

I am not starfire in a nutshell: 1. Kid doesn’t have something and is being a spoiled brat about it 2. Kid hates her mom cause she has powers and kid doesn’t 3. Kid hates anyone who likes her mom 4. Kid ends up getting the powers through the power of friendship/family 5. Kid stops having temper tantrum because kid got what she wanted

[@ashertlloyd8234]

Nice pfp

[@ceooforcasupremacy8012]

@@ashertlloyd8234 do you like mine?

[@Space_Cowboy.22.]

@@ceooforcasupremacy8012 bro thats Gumball. Gumball isnt even an anime. But then again, i dont really know the context so im probably being dumb

[@loquepiensode495]

Welp, Basically bshitt

[@Trixiestar0]

@@Space_Cowboy.22. that looks like it's from hazbin hotel

[@toxicacid6980]

I love how Starfire is friends with a goth witch named Raven but she's not cool about her daughter being a goth That's like one of the dumbest problems of this comic

[@leenaleewitch3731]

Especially when Starfire loves everything from Earth. She is a ball of sunshine, the kind of character you want to be friend with but somehow, she can't accept her daughter being a goth????

[@karen8624]

@@leenaleewitch3731 Eh? Starfire was loving and supportive of Mandy and never in the comic did she criticize her choice of style. Rather, Mandy was the one shaming *her* over her style.

[@snowdrop7867]

Mansy should be Raven's Problem Child XD /jk

[@nkbujvytcygvujno6006]

Yeah, I think it was supposed to be _implied_ Starfire was shaming Mandy for being goth, but she literally never actually does this in the whole book. Mandy just acts like she is.

[@kasia7204]

Yeah no Starfire was so supportive of her daughter throughout

[@galaxyjessie]

the thing is starfire has one of the most accepting personalities and most likely a great mother lol

[@stickthelanding4785]

Yeah she is pretty much one of the most kindest characters in DC

[@Fanimati0n]

Shes like, the single sweetest, most wholesome superhero ever

[@logicallgaming]

this is true. I mean she would be a great mom. she has a real hard time finding reasons to hate someone. If she was a lantern easily would be Compassion (Indigo Tribe). But I will say I haven't read much of the comics but just watched Teen Titans. The one we all know and accept

[@Fanimati0n]

@@logicallgaming hell, there's a little mini-arc in the Teen Titans comic that was adapted in the cartoon where a raging racist to Tamaraneans came by Titan Tower & she was still lovely & kind to him by every known metric, despite how awful he treated her

[@billy-the-butcher]

To be fair, it isn't unusual in reality that kind mothers get spoilt ungrateful kids who hate them for no apparent reason

[@robertadamsx2]

Characters can still be horrible people that are still likable. Scott Pilgrim for example. The guy cheated on someone still in high school, and is kinda a leach. Yet he has a sort of charm to him and can be hilarious. Most importantly, he actually improves. Maybe not completely, but a hell of a lot more than dumpsterfire.

[@Fanimati0n]

What makes Scott work as a character is the fact that he does have some amount of shame in his actions (like dating Knives & Ramona concurrently) & suffers consequences for them. There were a ton of people who (justifiably) just patently dislike Scott. Things he does bite him in the ass, but most importantly, he comes to be fully self aware that he's a leach & a scumbag & works to actively improve himself to be someone Ramona can be proud of

[@robertadamsx2]

@@Fanimati0n Exactly. And it's great.

[@Fanimati0n]

@@robertadamsx2 right! Scott Pilgrimm is a jerkass protagonist done right, because despite all his negative qualities, he still has people that can see that he's a good person that's a bit broken & still has good qualities (funny, good company, friendly, a real people person). They don't take it upon themselves to say "I can fix him" but they don't abandon him (Kim being the biggest example I can think of) & they support him when he does something positive & scold him when he does something bad. One of the most crucial pieces to having a jerkass protagonist is how they react to the world around them & how the world around them reacts to them. & in IANS, the way she reacts to the world & its reaction to her is unbelievably awful. She's a cynical talking head for the author to espouse her beliefs, & the world let's her get away with it, & it makes her someone you CAN NOT root for as a result.

[@savannahs.5874]

Funny you mention Scott pilgrim, love the video game since I was a kid. Hated Scott pilgrim because he's just literally the worst but everyone else is awesome

[@robertadamsx2]

@@savannahs.5874 He's better in the comics, but still an ass.

[@bleh6604]

"Girls dont dig guys who are mean to their mom" -regular show

[@pr0gurt]

So if I'm really mean to my mom all the guys would go for me Neat

[@spanoguy2283]

You know who ELSE is mean to their mom? MY MOM!!!

[@tanghoannam7387]

​@@spanoguy2283you know who else replied a year late to this comment?

[@BelleDraws-i5d]

​@@tanghoannam7387 MY MOM!!!

[@Nikolai_The_Crazed]

This person _really_ tried to say this wasn’t a self insert? There is literally an image of the creator wearing the same lipstick shade, nose piercing, same body type and hair. I’m pretty sure even the character’s LGBT status was a self insert. And what’s worse is, instead of presenting her character flaws as something to work past, they just act like it’s normal and acceptable. Like nothing need to change. The only cases that works is with character like the punisher, where you’re not supposed to idolize them. Because even those characters have something to offset them. Some other characters verbally or physically confront them because of what they do, to prove the point that they are a monster. Their bullshit doesn’t just go unchallenged, as if it’s totally normal to behave in such a way. But that’s what “I’m Not Starfire” does. Her bad behaviors aren’t confronted, and her story ends not far from where it started. It is the worse kind of self insert. It is the “my character can do no wrong” self insert.

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

the most crazy thing is that when i saw a pic of the "author" and the character, the similiarties are uncanny! its creepy how much the character is an exact copy and 100% NOT starfires daughter by appearance! Self inserts can work but they require a certain mastery of the craft of writing, but even though i havent read the story (dc not going to get any money from me to read this) its probably worse than the story that coined the Mary Sue trope! and that one was painfully cringy!

[@wrequiem1727]

@@firebladeentertainment5739 "Self inserts can work" I find it hilarious that there's people saying it isn't a self insert... as if it can't be because that would be a bad thing. It's been said but everyone who said it is right. Self insert work isn't bad by default.

[@SanLeMans]

Punisher has a deeper lore and bigger problems, she's a teen go wasnt accapted and got fatshamed and was too lazy to go for a run or do anything to improve herself so she bloames it on others.

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

@@wrequiem1727 I mean, Luke Skywalker was by George Lucases own words a Self insert, based on himself! And everyone loves him! Because he was just BASED on Georges Lucas personality, a use of the "Write what you know" technique for writing which is recommended for most authors. But you modifiy the template for the story, lessen some parts, exaggerate others, remove some, add some, your personality is just a template for you to write so that its easier for you to write that characters. But dumpsterfire? Jeez, thats just BAD.

[@firebladeentertainment5739]

@@c0ke_lover Or that Urgh, i hate that possibility aswell, since forced representation feels dishonest.

[@alexrecrem9094]

People keep pointing out demon slayer as outselling comics, yet a bigger burn is that death note, a 15 year old manga, outsells the entire comic book industry by a large margin.

[@good8619]

Death Note was actually good tho. Demon Slayer is too ofc, but Id say most of the viewers are riding the hype train (Ep 19 pretty much carried the entire season). Same with AoT, good but over-rated, Eren took his shirt off and became an emo, now everyone is using Levi/Eren pfps.

[@alexrecrem9094]

@@good8619 that's my point. It's so good that simply releasing it draws so much revenue that it outsells the entire comic book industry. After, again, 15 YEARS. Meanwhile new releases of comics get used as toilet paper

[@AnnalinaSR21]

@@alexrecrem9094 As it should be

[@loren5432]

@@alexrecrem9094 Not even toilet paper because the shitty paper hurts your ass. Comics are only great if you want to start a forest fire for some reason. Seriously though, how blind do they have to be to not realize that comics is an industry that's dying, and the LGBTQ pandering isn't working at all?

[@good8619]

@@loren5432Imagine them making a new series where the MC is a commically straight, white super hero. Shit would sell just because it would make for a good meme.

[@zenith3827]

"I am not starfire... But thats okay, I'm me" That would've been a good ending line to the series if the character had actually had some character development over time.. I havent read it myself, I just know what i've read about it so far.

[@Sparkletta]

That’s actually really good.

[@MaliciousMollusc]

The most ironic thing about this dumb story is the MC hates her popular mom, but then has a crush on the popular girl next door. Projection much? Lmao 😂

[@JohnSmith-wx9wj]

That's a little Oedipus.

[@MaliciousMollusc]

@@JohnSmith-wx9wj Yes, but more insecure. She's not exactly attracted to her mom but what her mom is, which she isn't.

[@jinxact532]

@@MaliciousMollusc imma say it I'd rather read fkin new warrior than dumpster fire at least the look kind of cool

[@rjlundholm89]

The entire story is a cliche.

[@domtoretto5462]

She doesn't understand family like me

[@Asian_Boi_242]

The Long Awaited Spin Off in the JJBA Universe Hero Hei's Bizarre Reading

[@Quandale.dingle.here.]

Hhba

[@thebeardedaliengamer7103]

Sooooo... HeHe's Bizarre Reading

[@thebeardedaliengamer7103]

featuring Miracle Johnson

[@MasonGreenWeed]

Thus Read Hero Hei

[@ashurad_fox5991]

spoilers dude! but when the anime and netflix adaptation?

[@kurtm1943]

As an illustrator, i found the art pretty respectable. The story however is just sad. Some day maybe this uniquely American artform will remerge.

[@lukarikid9001]

Will have to give America a bit of time before it can find its style. It’s a little too quick to say anything yet

[@pinkCAKE]

I honestly feel bad for the artist. Last year I bought a tarot deck made by her because I thought her art was actually really pretty , and it IS, I just dont think it works well for a graphic novel and my guess is she was under some tight time restraints due to the nature of working on a graphic novel and that added to it becoming not her best work. She is actually a great artist, this just isn't her best work. She really doesn't deserve all this negative talk about her work just because it's connected to this shitty story.

[@kurtm1943]

@@pinkCAKE incredible color, composition and good layout. emotive. its good art. seen a lot worse.

[@ScytheManiac]

The art is fine , the writing is horrible

[@Mizzwolf-un1cn]

Who's the artist?

[@Ame865]

I have not read “I am DumpsterFire” but i haven’t even heard of a comic this hated ever. I haven’t heard of a single person that likes it

[@sleepyboi7476]

I mean, I heard a manga/comic (its a manga dont know what its called) that got cancelled literally on the first day.

[@afoxwithahat7846]

Everyone that read it looks just like the thumbnail

[@isaaccooper862]

Except the few shills that review bomb in a positive way even though the book hasn't even come out yet, or the media outlets that review good just for review copies, or the weirdoes on Twitter that think social media and cancellation is life

[@DreamChasersInc]

@@sleepyboi7476 that one was because it was a parody, and the things it parodied greatly upset the people connected to it, so they had it canned

[@sleepyboi7476]

@@DreamChasersInc damn, they didnt even give it a chance

[@artemprotectron]

Starfire Darkfire *Dumpsterfire* Like, how can people defend this obvious self-insert and people are celebrating weakness and hating your parents...

[@MajinMist603]

Lol

[@MrVlad12340]

Burning Cartire.

[@blaizegottman4139]

It's ridiculous

[@i.y.thehero1124]

"It's okay to be weak, but it's not okay to stay weak." -some quote I heard from Internet

[@kagakai7729]

There are plenty of compelling characters that have completely valid reasons to reject their parents. The problem here is that the main character has literally no genuine development whatsoever, and seems to hate her parent out of complete spite despite the kindness she is shown

[@willowingwhispers2612]

The sad thing is is that this would have been fine, if she had gone through some growth and development by the end. You know, realizing she's been a snotty brat, trying to make amends, coming to the conclusion that not having superpowers doesn't make you any less of a person, etc without getting what she wanted. But no, she gets powers and suddenly everything is magically fixed. No one like a protagonist who acts like a brat and never has to face consequences for the things they do or say that any normal person would call them out on. It's just poor writing.

[@classystegosuarus]

Yeah if she got like an ACTUAL character arc and experienced growth and we got to see an emotional journey of her and Starfire getting closer to understanding each other it would be a cool and interesting read. Sucks that we couldn't get that

[@Userdoesnotexit]

nah its trash from the first page and ugly.. why would this crap sell

[@themasterprocrastinator4933]

Yeah! I think I'd actually read it if it had character development.

[@marhawkman303]

@@classystegosuarus Yeah especially the locker room scene! Some people are like "oh no bullies!" But... those are the closest thing Mandy has to friends. These are the few people willing to talk to her at all. People make a big deal out of them mocking Mandy for stuff, but... in both cases it makes perfect sense. In the one case they're playing a team sport and Mandy just... refuses to play. She doesn't even pretend to try. So she gets griped at for it. I'd do it too. Sure it's not "about winning"... but at the same time.... Mandy was being a selfish brat and ruining the game for everyone. She deserved to be called out for it. And the other one... the girl is like "what is wrong with you?" and people latch on to the use of the world "alien"... but... in context, it's actually just her asking what Mandy's reasoning is, and not even saying being an alien is bad, just asking if that's WHY.

[@nah1291]

Bruh this book is at my library💀. I thought it looked interesting and wanted to read it, but now I’ll recommend them to remove it.

[@paulnash6944]

The problem with SJW comics is when people don’t like their characters, they automatically assume it’s because of their characters’ or their own race, gender, ethnicity, sexuality, or gender identity.

[@hhgff778]

That's basically Twitter arguments, "you don't agree with me? Then you are racist!!"

[@velocityx6920]

"i see this as an absolute lose"

[@kek-senpai243]

Yeah, they never stop to think that a badly written character is disliked for being badly written.

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

For them, what they _are_ is everything that represents them as a person. So if they're being massive assholes and people call them out, it's not because they're massive assholes. It's because bIgOtRy and mYsOgYnY!!

[@fnors2]

Unlikeable characters from sjw entertainment are almost always self-inserts. So obviously dislike the characters is a direct attack on the author. >

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

Doki Doki Literature Club is more real with its characters by giving them problems, too, and yet it does so in a way that's a million times as endearing. This is especially true in the Side Stories, frankly.

[@cheeriocake640]

Exactly They all have problems that actually happens to people everyday and has a entertaining story to it

[@Sparkletta]

Doki Doki is one of the only anime things I adore. And this is SO true.

[@pescuezoee]

@@Sparkletta anime

[@ggwpez6781]

I slowly opened the door

[@VGamingJunkieVT]

@@ggwpez6781 Just don't gently open the door.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

“...she hates superheroes because she isn’t one...”. This has probably been said already, but just imagine replacing “superheroes” with another group of people (such as people of a certain ethnicity, belief system, social status, occupation, etc.) to see how offensive and judgmental that mindset is. If someone online stated, “I hate pizza delivery people because I’m not one,” they would get called out and rightly so. A good story would have the protagonist realize it’s wrong to condemn others simply for being different, not try to justify it or go the “Well, it’s okay if I’m one!” route that this one did. “I hate pizza delivery people. Sure, I am one now, but that’s different because I’m better than the others!”

[@ScytheManiac]

Also, I might be mistaken but wasn't she supposed to be the daughter of nightwing too ? aka robin aka related to batman aka human without powers, just training ? such a spoiled brat

[@Arty_Smarty]

Cat Saito nahh you aren’t mistaken, but this is like a bad head canon their real kid is named mar’i and she has powers and she not spoiled brat her name is nightstar if I’m not mistaken there is no Mandy in ba sing se

[@alesin1992]

I hate black people because I'm not one. Easy as that.

[@gwenethp511]

I do want to add that she hates superheroes because her entire early childhood people used her to get close to her mom and the teen titans, and also since a child her birthdays were spent with starfire getting frustrated that she had no powers and not doing much else. Which would have been like,,, really interesting to explore. Especially how that led to her apathy and anger. It also would have been way more cool if at the end she didn't gain powers and just automatically become a titan, but starfire was defeated and she trained under nightwing just as a regular human to make sure she could protect her mom the next time someone threatened her now that she understands the biggest insecurity she faced.

[@karaoconnoraliasraidra]

@@gwenethp511 It sounds like the idea had potential, but then they botched the execution badly.

[@BQD_Central]

"We want more relatable, realistic stories". It's called slice-of-life mangas and they are pretty popular. Gotoubun just ended about 16 months ago and was the most popular romance/slice-of-life manga so far. Granted "classic" shonen is still bigger then Slice-of-life, but this doesn't take away from the fact. You can tell good "realistic, relateable stories" without your characters being just pieces of garbage.

[@314rft]

I mean, can't a few American sitcoms be considered slice of life to some degree? I know that's not comics, but some part of America culture does slice of life and can do it financially well.

[@sparking023]

Ain't nothing relatable in Gotoubun. Where are the redheaded quintuplets in my life, then???? XD

[@jackmayor3574]

Gotoubun was an enjoyable read, but c'mon man. It's not relatable to be a loner and yet get pretty quintuplets to fall for you for being nice to them. That doesn't happen in real life. Harem antics should never be associated with "realistic."

[@Geheimnis-c2e]

@@jackmayor3574 Yeah but everything else is relatable. Spending as little as possible without compromising your well-being, reviewing notes at the table because of an exam coming up, etc. Everyone has done this at this point.

[@joey_ramone_96]

@@Geheimnis-c2e I mean that's like saying my hero academia is realistic if you don't consider the whole superpower stuff, that would make a totally different manga in the first place, there are tons of slice of life stories that are pretty much just actual real life adapted into an anime or manga, with no cliche, no harem, no "lucky" moments, no nosebleeds or similar stuff, just 100% relatable stuff

[@knju1monsterhunt656]

It doesn't help that Starfire is essentially still Starfire in this. This just makes the behavior of the author's self-insert all the more glaring and unjustifiable.

[@CrashBandicootFan100]

ONEs artstyle is messy but is incredibly readable and the paneling is great. Rough but really works - and ofcourse all of his improvements over time.

[@loukitmyname]

Whatever limitations he has with his drawing skills, he more than compensates for with his exceptional story-telling and characters.

[@nubsYTC]

It works because he's passionate about it. Comics like "I Am Not Starfire" lack almost anything passionate.

[@CrashBandicootFan100]

@@nubsYTC a passionate lack of passion, it seems

[@jinxact532]

@@nubsYTC Marvel has messed up but not this badly all of there great stories don't get advertising instead we get garbage like this instead of great heroic tales of trials and tribulations we get kid hates mother for powers kid gets powers story end wanna do a coming of age story right look at any origin story from Marvel and dc they are great look no further than Miles Morales but instead of something amazing like that we gotta Deal with DC's bs and be stuck with this comics like this

[@mqfii8992]

Fun fact: ONE actually knows how to draw quite well, the only reasons his webcomic artstyle Is so dorky Is because: A) He didn't have much time to draw when he was a regular salaryman. B) Even after that, he doesn't have much patience to draw for long periods of time.

[@enderwalkgang]

B is relatable

[@actuallyharuto2382]

And now he is actually getting better in art style

[@seantaggart7382]

I know Im bad at art Its just that i am easily stressed and i dont see the world like shapes (aka not Creative thinking/left brain thinking)

[@prisuners6275]

@@cyh..7 he's talking about the mangaka who wrote One Punch Man, in case you're confused.

[@ayame8095]

As much as I love One Punch man and Mob Psycho “quite well” is a bit of an overstatement. He can draw better than he does in the webcomic and has improved a bit but in the end he’s a super good writer and a super ehhh artist

[@drekbleh7081]

You know on paper this isn't a bad concept-"child of a superhero struggles with their own identity" is actually a interesting foundation for a comic. It just needs to be done by people who actually like comicbooks

[@hollowgab6531]

Invencible is like that i havent see it but maybe is good I like the memes lmao

[@blaizegottman4139]

Yep

[@casusbelli9225]

Or that are actually functioning likeable adults.

[@TheDragonfriday]

Ever heard of invincible? I usually never care for super hero genres but this one I like it for being beyond then typical super hero shows

[@LR-jb6zn]

so many manga, comic, drama adopting that plot. boruto, gundam age, ultraman taiga, etc.

[@fireemblemistrash75]

That defender basically admitted to liking it because “it’s gay” even she/he/it/thing despises it. Jesus, what is with blind loyalty

[@universal9735]

She/he/they. Sorry, for being that person, but just wanted to correct you before the SJWs on this site coming running right after you.

[@crazycatzg3481]

Such biases.

[@lightborn9071]

Another befitting word is sexist. It's just sexism.

[@dejus_e]

@@lightborn9071Isn’t that have to do with gender or something?

[@professionalhimbo]

"In the defense of the indefensible" is never a solid defense. If you like something, enjoy it. To hell with what others think of what you enjoy- if it ain't hurting anyone, enjoy what you enjoy. I think "I am a Dumpsterfire" is a bad comic, for a lot of reasons. If ya dont? Good for you.

[@randomperson4198]

Hey. "I am dumpster fire" sounds like a comedy comic.ngl, I'd probably take a peak. Also i Don't really read books

[@Rekter]

@Some guy with an blursed pfp [Mayk Felix] I would pay for that parody to happen and I'm broke.

[@MajinMist603]

@Some guy with an blursed pfp [Mayk Felix] fr

[@dreliq981]

@@randomperson4198 now i wanna see a comic of a teen called dumpster fire being a super hero

[@ryszakowy]

sounds like a title of some great war story "In the defense of the indefensible" where outnumbered and outgunned squad holds the position that has a strategic value but by numbers it has no chances of standing an attack. shizz i just created a better story than dumpsterfire

[@MisInformationLord]

defending this is like trying to put out a fire with a flamethrower.

[@deontaeavila3356]

So to defend something that is awful you have to make everything else terrible to the point where it seems normal

[@RaveNitrite]

one of the many times fighting fire with fire does not work

[@yarigold]

@@deontaeavila3356 That's like 99% of all the manga, anime and novels xD, the only thing that varies is how hard the author is trying.

[@blaizegottman4139]

Or putting water on a grease fire

[@whatsittoya7718]

I think that putting out a fire with a flamethrower would still produce a better outcome than defending this mess.

[@godofmisfortune992]

As an aspiring writer, I love “I am not starfire” as a nuanced and brilliant take on how to not write a story. If you want to write a good book/ story, just look at this (then do the opposite)

[@randomguywholikesstuff6536]

She tried to block all incoming shots, but the comic ended up betraying her

[@huebcite5016]

Karma levels are rising

[@Gabriel-ir1zt]

Honestly anyone could write something better if they had some self awareness, To put my money where my mouth is here is my brief version -Starfire has 4 kids with Nightwing before he dies -The children only knew him as Richard bc superhero secret identity's and whatnot -Mandy actually has to put extra effort because she wasn't born with super powers -Her other siblings have super powers -Starfire is actually accommodating to this and still cares for her -Plot kicks in when her family gets taken by black fire -Mandy actually has to rescue Starfire + her siblings with the help of some other super powerless friends -Mandy does a whole training thing showing her actually have faults and have to overcome them. (I want western comics to actually emphasize character progression with them overcoming their faults, its such a simple thing done in every adventure/fantasy/action manga, especially with ShonenJump. Its actually relatable and a good life lesson for the reader, yknow since you aren't born a body builder or a good artist.)

[@Succubus_L0li]

Teen TitansGo still got better writting and lessons even compared to dumpsterfire.

[@firetop-cn8vb]

I was thinking the same thing have Nightstar be her older sister. This whole thing that she is constantly compared to her mother is dumb bit constantly being a young sibling being compared to their older siblings is something a lot of younger siblings have to deal with

[@randomperson8571]

Yeah this could have worked but for some reason we have to put identity first instead of character development these days -.-"

[@Palatinus-Z]

Starwing would be a hell of a concept.

[@匚尺丂乇-k3v]

That's actually a good story

[@lolnino8511]

Star fire would never have a child like that to begin with.

[@karinefonte516]

Curiously I'm reading a manhwa (Korean manga, this industry is getting stronger thanks to the buzz anime and manga have been generated in the last years) that is the Anti-Mandy character - possibly because the main character is a girl who dies from cancer and is given a second life as a "Mandy" but due to her previous struggle she learns how to value her little perks at all costs, turning a once obese, angry and mistreated girl into a hero by her own merits. Can't recommend enough "I Became the Ugly Lady" (it's shoujo style, please bear with me a little).

[@masterace9543]

Is this on Webtoon, cause you have piqued my interest

[@foofypyonpyon3660]

I know that oneee

[@aansherina4536]

Thanks for the recommendation!

[@PetitTasdeBoue]

Yeah no, I read it, first it's a reincarnation and she became thin in literally one page because magic, you need to tell me where you see "by her own merits" for this one... also idk why they make a weird light shadow on the noses, this style tick me off lol + She's a big Mary Sue For this kind of trope you better read the light novel / watch the animes "My Next Life as a Villainess" (+ season 2 is on-going right now)

[@idontknowmyname.9202]

ah manhwa....there are too much of isekai-type manhwa that I don't know if I can read it all before I die or not LOL but I will read this for sure thx for recommending 👍

[@godqueensadie]

I actually don't mind the art. I think it's kinda nice. That's it. That's all the positivity I got towards this comic

[@davetycho8330]

So literally the reason that person defending the Not Starfire comic is because it has LGBT and body positivity stuff in it, and not wether it is actually good.

[@ocurimi]

This is America

[@Insti253]

That reminds me of the time where people on twitter actually keep on sending me death threats for calling a gay person an asshole for being an assholic racist

[@good8619]

Yeah no wonder people would rather read manga. Btw if anyone is one of those "fighting manga" readers, Id recomend Kengan Ashura and Omega (the sequel). Its completely free on Mangafreak, weekly high quality chapters too.

[@Insti253]

@@good8619 I'd rather read a fukin futanari hentai doujin over and over again non stop than this abomination called 'I am Dumpsterfire'

[@nybxcrotona]

@@Insti253 Why repeat the same one? There's enough out there that are solid quality.

[@pigpenlordofdirt]

The best part about I Am Not Starfire is the main premise. A mother/daughter super team that doesn't see eye to eye because "you were young on a different planet" has the potential to crank out some amazingly memorable plot and character arcs.

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

Robin would be disappointed in Mandy (if she even is his child).

[@rockytom5889]

That goth ork thing is probably the Penguin's kid tbh. And what's with the snout ring? Afaik people only put those on farm animals...

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

@@rockytom5889 The Minotaur rocks a better nose ring than this whale.

[@ScytheManiac]

@@SweetOrangeGirl Now that's being unfair with her appearence. Just because mandy is an asshole who never develops a better self it doesn't mean her looks are at fault. There are fat people wearing those who are kind and nice people.

[@SweetOrangeGirl]

@@ScytheManiac I never said her looks were at fault. Even if she was skinny, I would still insult her because she’s a spoiled brat.

[@FightsRightsAlways]

The only daughter of starfire that I acknowledge is NIGHTSTAR. Idk who MAnDy is.

[@marhawkman303]

the name... KomMAND'r.... why?!?!?!?! It's like Starfire named her daughter after her sister BLACKFIRE!!! whwyw?!?!?!?!!?!

[@gamer-san8923]

@@marhawkman303 Nightstar is Starfire and Nightwing's daughter so there you have it.

[@marhawkman303]

@@gamer-san8923 yeah yeah, different timeline though.

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

It's pronounced "Ee-gree-jee-uss" Also ONE's work proves you don't need to be good at drawing to still make an interesting comic story.

[@kaisokusekkendou1498]

Haha, yeah.. I wasn't looking at the screen when he said "erogenous", and was like whaaaaaat?

[@epicKerBallze]

Holy shit, your right I looked at ONE's webcomics (the opm webcomic) and it doesn't look good, but good storyline I like their style

[@belindaschaefer6870]

i don't think anything really needs to have a clean, perfect artstyle in my opinion. as long as you can understand what you're looking at and it's visually interesting, then it's already great.

[@idontknowhowigothere5474]

I actually really love the art style from what I’ve seen. There are obviously flaws there is in all styles, but for the most part it looks pretty clean to me. And Starfires hair in it looks AMAZING

[@Zhortac]

I was wondering when someone would pull the "only hate X character because of LGBTQ/being fat" as a shield. She needs to learn, there are alot of characters that are well liked, that fall into those, but they're not raging unlikeable bitch machines. It's like being LGBTQ or fat isn't a character trait, in what makes a character good.

[@Double_brr]

OH, NO!

[@KneeseekerGuardsbane]

If we Comic fans had a problem with LGBT characters, Harley and Poison Ivy wouldn't be married right now. 😂

[@AnnalinaSR21]

@@KneeseekerGuardsbane🤮

[@AnnalinaSR21]

@@KneeseekerGuardsbane No wonder dc and marvel are losing to manga. trash.

[@orwellianwiress]

It's funny how they're trying to make a comic that does something "new" and "different" but all they're doing is making a comic around bad gothic stereotypes...

[@pinkneko13]

Please don't associate me or Raven or other goth girls with whatever the mc was supposed to be.

[@sirnunyabuiz6529]

Being goth is cringe anyway, we get it, you never got out of your dark phase that started at 12 year old, now try to start acting like a decent human being that just happends to like the color black.

[@pinkneko13]

@@sirnunyabuiz6529 says the person making the edgy comment. We get it, you wanna make a hot take for people to go like "woooo what a hot take!". Now start acting like a decent human being and don't associate an entire genre of music/clothing with some teenage a**hats.

[@sirnunyabuiz6529]

@@pinkneko13 Throwing back that analogy doesn't exactly work, but alright.

[@Snow-xd4rv]

@@sirnunyabuiz6529 Being Goth is a style/fashion? You know that right? It literally has nothing to do with being a edgy kid, people made it that way for some reason, but it’s not like that. Actually search up goth inspired outfits, and look at real goth, and stop being stupid and stereotyping

[@NaThingSerious]

The whole comic just screams out “forced”. I’m not against obese characters or lgbtq characters or emo characters or anything like that. But instead of incorporating it into the story line, or having her overcome her issues it’s just forced. I feel it is kinda society/cancel culture’s fault for making authors think that unless they include an lgbtq character they are homophobic, unless they include an obese character they are fat-phobic, etc. But it is also the author’s fault for including all these things but just unnecessary cramming them into one character and instead of having her work with the issues, overcoming them or learning how to live with them, it just has the character complaining about their first world problems like a self centred, entitled, brat.

[@jonathanwhite8492]

I personally just hate the suffix phobic, people arent afraid of these things they just dont like them. not flaming you but just wish there was an actual suffix or prefix for dislike and not hate or fear. Sadly that isnt a thing in Latin, English, or Greek.

[@NaThingSerious]

@@jonathanwhite8492 yeh, phobic used to just mean fear of, and would only be used if people had a legitimate fear of something, nowadays it’s just thrown in front of anything to say people are against it

[@themasterprocrastinator4933]

@@jonathanwhite8492 Now that I think of it, you're right. It would be nice to have an affix for this

[@palladiumpony9596]

@@jonathanwhite8492 Over time, phobia has developed a secondary meaning: a strong aversion towards a subject. It has a similar overall effect to fear, but without the panic and fight or flight stuff. Seems like a pretty natural evolution of the use of the suffix.

[@williamsmith4091]

jeez society fires up unless if you pull out a I love gay" and I love fat orientations.." crap. Its weird and stupid how people say Equality matters blah blah, stop over sexualizing thin characters and acknowledge fat orientations,,uhhh straight is dumb gay is cool" things like its so annoying cuz no one ever said they hated fat people or the fact no one likes being gay . Ig I can understand the author despite its story is so shitty cuz society is what made them make it like that. Society is fucked up real bad, everyone is neither sane or what. I get that people like to acknowledge the common traits we can all relate to but its so downgrading to think that this is what has to be done in order to be likeable like,,🤮🤮 bruhh😑 damn low

[@korvexus9922]

In a nutshell : I hate the world because it doesn't give me what I want.

[@hoyvin4099]

An entire generation: the sentence

[@aaronstrerk5521]

Authors often put themselves in their stories. It's a bad habit that even I'm guilty of. But my way of dealing with it is to make something of the self insert a side character. You know, turning him into a villain, ally, becoming a teacher or student, giving the MC a challenge to overcome. Stuff like that. The best writers use the MC to explore different characters and personalities. The worst kind, do what a lot of Comic Industries are doing these days. They do trashy stuff like IM NOT STARFIRE and watch the money burn.

[@MDG-mykys]

It's not bad if you know how to do it.

[@aaronstrerk5521]

@@MDG-mykys Exactly my point, way to abbreviate everything I wrote about in ten words.

[@drillsargenttay3960]

That’s right! 👏🏾

[@Danganraptor]

The author of Conan did that. The self-insert was basically an annoying guy that tried to be a warrior like Conan. The barbarian himself, predictably, didn't care until the character was killed. Basically, Conan believed that he deserved an honourable death because he tried to apply himself despite being weak.

[@Casual-Yohoho-Enjoyer]

If you know what you're doing and make this self insert into an actual character then there's nothing wrong with making them the MC. It just takes a bit of self awareness and skill to do so, which people making shit characters like dumpsterfire don't have. When making a self insert an important character you need to see your own strengths as well as flaws, which is something you can't do if you always blame everything on others, on 'society'

[@davkav2468]

I had an epiphany with a friend the other day , that we came to call the “Iceberg of Mandy’s awfulness.” It all stems from a few pages that show Mandy doesn’t know anything about her mom because she’s shocked when she learns her backstory, and it gets worse the more levels down it goes. Here it is: Level 1: Mandy doesn’t know anything about her mom Level 2: Mandy doesn’t know anything about any of her family on that side Level 3: Mandy doesn’t know anything about Tamaran Level 4: Mandy doesn’t know her mother was forced to flee Tamaran after Blackfire did her thing Level 5: *Mandy doesn’t know her mother was a slave, and heavily implied to be r*ped*

[@stickthelanding4785]

This is why we like manga more because they place the story above everything else first.

[@Azenatrail]

This isn’t always true but they do it more often then mainstream western comics these days.

[@justanotakulivinginasociet239]

Stuff like I'm not Starfire is the main reason why I watch Anime, Godzilla, Transformers,and some of that entertaining stuff.

[@theonewhoasked9046]

Same

[@justheretostay5057]

In my opinion when it comes to stuff in comics read out of universe stuff or limited series or just series that you kinda like and only follow them because comics are weird man.

[@justanotakulivinginasociet239]

I'm even changing my room into a anime and godzilla room with waifu's, and some Bandai godzilla figures. I even have a 3d mouse pad of Astolfo.

[@icycrusader1947]

@@justanotakulivinginasociet239 ...um Astolfo ain't a waifu...

[@justheretostay5057]

@@icycrusader1947 shhh let him have it

[@AManWhoDoesRandomThings]

Thing is I have seen BETTER self insert fanfics than “I am not Starfire”

[@breewashere]

But as I've said before tamaranians have 9 stomachs whether Starfire's daughter is half human she would still have at least 4 or 5 stomachs (probably I'm not a biologist nor educated on the fact) but seeing as how 1 stomach would be hard to handle a little over eating her stomachs would be able to dissolve all of the food she eats.

[@shannonhill5676]

Which is why it makes no sense to have Starfires child be overweight when their species anatomy literally prevents it.

[@breewashere]

@@shannonhill5676 it's hilarious tbh

[@brianstryker4536]

How....do you fit nine stomachs in.......that?!

[@PolarDoc22]

Mandy has 4 stomachs, but thats because she’s a cow

[@Maya_hee]

@@brianstryker4536 Alien

[@blindprophet182]

One is a good storyteller, has a good understanding of how to make even the most unlikable characters sympathetic and redeemable. He has literally reached the pinnacle of comics despite looking like he draws with a pen between his butt cheeks. His original amateur web comics looking like dog dookie ended up infinitely more popular and marketable than mainstream books made by "professional" writers and professional artists that lean on already sucessful franchises. The contrast of success by one compared with the failure of modern comic book industry despite the generations of material to adapt and build apon shows undeniably that something has gone terribly wrong in the mainstream comic industry.

[@KPX01]

always rooting for the cyclist, he is weak and he knows that but he will do the right thing and be an actual hero when the time comes.

[@gabbyn.3049]

@@KPX01 MUMEN RIDER IS THE BEST HERO.

[@shadowanderson2004]

She also shows Mandy making fun of her mom (starfire) for having broken English. Even though she’s manly shown as having bad grammar not broken English in other comics

[@ElanaVital83]

Real Story: Tamaki hates her immigrant mother for being successful, skinny, and spoiling her rotten

[@zuhairluqman8733]

Bruh, weight has nothing to do with liking a person. Duke from RE:Village is still liked by a lot of players. Maybe because Duke is a lovable person compared to...whatever the hell this is.

[@ms.chomper5024]

Exactly!!! Thank you. I love Duke because he is charming and seems like a good friend to Ethan.

[@nachosrule6985]

@@ms.chomper5024 *W h y d o n ' t y o u t a k e a c l o s e r l o o k ?*

[@ScytheManiac]

Caesar from Fate/Go is also charismatic as hell ( charisma is one of his skills too).to the point sometimes we, the players have to remind ourselves not to listen too much to him or we'll get fooled. and he is round. very round

[@mental_decay_]

Porculine Saint de Coquile is a pretty round chef known for eating the food before it gets to the customers, yet he's a kind and fun character. I love him to bits

[@Maymei99]

@@ScytheManiac Exactly, he's just so funny and charming you don't really think much about his weight and just about his shenanigans.

[@baneto27]

I can see several people praising a well-done family drama, with questionable parenting and teen kids trying t find their place in the World. Who would knew the Todorokis from My Hero Academia would be so relevant?

[@RoseyVamp]

Yeah but at least there’s some real stakes to their issues. Mandy’s problems with her mom are completely self-created

[@inky5574]

And it's one of the most gripping stories of MHA.

[@MagmaPaint]

@@RoseyVamp Hell, the entire Rivera family lineage from the 2007 Nickelodeon cartoon El Tigre does this better than I Am Not Starfire. Even though the hero/villain alignment alters every generation there's never any point where they're disrespectful to the family member opposite to them. Mandy is just thoroughly disrespectful to and nasty to Starfire for no good reason.

[@abarette_]

@@MagmaPaint wow the reference from the hells lol But honestly yes, it's just the difference between somethin well-thought and something done with no effort.

[@good8619]

Idk with the Todorokis its just a classic case of "deadass abusive dad", sending his wife (that he pretty much bought, like a 6yr old me bought YuGiOh packs from a Toys R Us) to a mental hospital. He wants to get better but yeah, damage done buddy.

[@samantharojas660]

One of my favorite self inserts is in the Tintin comics Hergé just puts himself in there as a regular person and not a character with his own story. He's just there it's a signature of his and shows that he's watching over the world he created from the background!

[@korvexus9922]

Everyone : The comic is poorly written and we don't like it. People defending the comic : *NO YOU ONLY HATE IT BECAUSE SHE'S PART OF LGBT AND IS OVERWEIGHT AND CHANGED HER HAIR COLOUR

[@atomf9143]

No, we hate it because she is a spoiled, annoying brat. DC has had a whole gamut of aliens and beings over its history, and looks aren't what change our opinions- mostly. Neither is being LGBT. However, we have a problem with characters that we are supposed to like having no likable qualities or changing for the better across a story. At the beginning, she is selfish, annoying, and spoiled. At the end, she is still that but with superpowers. And somehow, that trait being added changes everything?!

[@D--fy4wu]

@@atomf9143 so… it’s still poorly written

[@b.heaven9234]

​@@D--fy4wu It's really bad. Mandy (Not-Starfire's name) makes it a point to hate superheroes and even going to college. She was going on and on arguing about the point of college simply because "that's what everyone else does". She refuses to take SAT and even walked out of one. She DESPISES being told what to do. She even befriends another person who proclaimed themself (?) an anarchist and agrees with Mandy. There's also this blonde tanned girl she has a crush on, but then flipped on her for taking a selfie with the Teen Titans. The blonde girl didn't even know what made Mandy so angry. It's through the Anarchist friend that Blonde girl found out Mandy hates superheroes. When she got superpowers after the story's "climactic" incident, we time skipped 1 week later and she starts considering going to college because she gets to be tutored by Raven at the Teen Titans HQ while she does superhero stuff. Apparently, her hatred for college isn't a well-thought out belief ingrained in her, she was just "figuring things out" and she was being told what to do by her mother but it's all okay now that she's a superhero herself. *TLDR moral of the story*: Throw a tantrum until you get superpowers. Only then you start becoming friendly and reasonable. Disclaimer: I didn't read it myself. I watched another KZbinr who did (Dannphan) and she showed it page by page as she gives her own thoughts.

[@theAudaciousAudacity]

Also, maybe if the Author didnt use Starfire(A beloved and popular dc superhero that already has a canon daughter that the fans have been begging to see more) as the bad,neglecful, and pushy mom for her self insert then maybe the comic wont be looked so down upon.

[@b.heaven9234]

@@theAudaciousAudacity By then the comic would just be ignored. Probably the only reason this has gained any hint of public notice is its attachment to DC characters. Otherwise, this would just be one of the many unknown YA novels out there.

[@defenestrationstation5771]

the whole story feels like self-insert wish fulfillment where the message is "if people just gave me power and what I want, everyone would be happy."

[@SaucyAlfredo]

i don't wanna watch/read something about normal people or "quirky" people. i wanna see cool people and things that i don't know about or can relate to at all

[@sukoichitokido7562]

Hey wanna follow me? I am making a Manga but I only have 6 pages yet

[@RZ-yk2se]

That wasnt shade at ONE he really did admit he cant draw and just made that webcomic of one punch man for fun. Lucky for him it blew up and got a manga adaptation

[@schwellenangst1605]

ONE can draw nicely in a couple of panels, man's lazy and that's ok for me lol

[@dr.1nk324]

The fact that Starfire has a daughter in the comics (Mary Grayson) who doesn’t get a lot of attention, could’ve gotten this graphic novel to be about her instead of this self-insert. On the other hand though I’m happy she didn’t get this kind of treatment

[@bakazura2442]

The most awesome self insert I've read in any manga is Gintama's author - He is not a hero in the series, heck he is neither a main/side character! He is just seen in 4-5 episodes as a Gorilla who can draw manga!

[@sophitia_agna]

Well, for the "realistic" part... I never met someone kind, supportive, empathic and joyful like Starfire, ok BUT I never met someone mean, selfish, toxic and depressing like Not Starfire neither ^^

[@ScytheManiac]

Lucky you. Must have not payed too much attention to your surroundings, there are a lot of people like that. But you're not missing anything, just keep the nice people close to you.

[@ripesoda7003]

Usually I use glass boxes as an insult but that's a glass box your going to want to stay in, because there's a LOT of those people. Your lucky in many of ways to not have noticed or straight up encountered those kinds, humanity holds very evil people.

[@marhawkman303]

@@ripesoda7003 oh I think his point is that she's WORSE than most real people.

[@ElanaVital83]

Ugh. I came from a family of both extremes. Kinda wish they had some middle ground

[@ashershalqoir976]

“I am not starfire” and you never will be. Thank trigon for that

[@isaaccooper862]

I will say it again, there is a proper way to do self inserts. Remember the dorky cat in Uzaki? Self insert of writer. The dog in Undertale? Self insert of Toby Fox. There's nothing inherently wrong with doing something like a self insert, but don't think thay entitles you to people's respect or liking to that entertainment, especially if you make said character as unlikable and trifling as Mandy.

[@boatman783]

the cat in uzaki was a self insert? didnt it just scream a lot?

[@uknownauchara774]

@@boatman783 often what I see for self inserts is the author will take an aspect of them selves, and will usually exaggerate it to high hell, usually in a comedic way.

[@boatman783]

@@uknownauchara774 ahhh, makes sense

[@RyutheWeredragon]

I love that Toby named his self insert "Annoying Dog" :P

[@themagicalllama8514]

The weird nose demon from Owl House is a self insert and that character is mainly comic relief.

[@syahareensharani6869]

Them: If you hate "I am not Starfire" don't buy them you **** phobic Some guy: .... Japan: Hey man we got a fresh new Redo Healer manga just released today Some guy: Can I have more of these please I'll pay everything for good quality entertainment Japan: *yawn* You guys make it look easy I'm actually getting worse Them: REEEEEEEEE

[@blaizegottman4139]

That's funny

[@drakofox1362]

...that's bad if Redo of Healer is better then this shit

[@icycrusader1947]

@@drakofox1362 I personally like the manga. I crack a smile now and then when I read it.

[@drakofox1362]

@@icycrusader1947 I do to and did you know that there's a spin-off manga of redo of healer....yes that's a thing

[@BQD_Central]

@@drakofox1362 What? Why? Redo of Healer is a pretty good revenge-rampage story. Why did everyone flip out over this? Did no one watch Sam Ramis early movies?

[@YeetProductions]

The first thing I thought after seeing this was “we have starfire, we have blackfire, and now we have dumpster fire”.

[@raphaeldionbriones8548]

Yes, "bitching and demanding the people who love you just so you can get what you want" is a good moral lesson for readers.

[@BearPawSwipe]

I do find it kind of sad that this is what kids get as their possible first introduction to these characters. I think Starfire is one of the best DC "aliens" who goes through a ton of awful things but at the end of it she is still positive & forward thinking. It is so easy to be negative.

[@atomf9143]

She gets it rough, but still comes out smiling. Then DC just HAD to go and saddle her with Mandy, one of the most dislikable characters they have ever written, not just due to her motivations, but her character traits and the fact that she is a self-insert, pandering protagonist.

[@itsthegr8matt]

,,I fail to see how an author having physical similarities to the character makes it a self insert..." I am absolutely floored! Self insert means that you're trying to put yourself in the story. This can be achieved in a few ways: 1. Character looks like the author From hair, clothes, weight, accessories and many more. If any of these match the author, then it's a self insert. However it can bear a heavy resemblance (Author and character look like twins) or a Light resemblance (Character shares only one or two features with the author) 2. Character acts like the Author wants to act This means that while the character doesn't look exactly like the author, character acts with no fear or hesitation and is able to solve any problem with relative ease. (Mary Sue) Author here has severe issues with his self worth or self esteem and he feels the need to create a character that is in every way beter than the author himself. Author then looks up to this character in hopes one day his life will be just like the Character's...which is a lie and he should've written something more down to earth. Now you know what self insert is. My job here is done. Thanks for reading!

[@Bazinguh]

I like how DC and Marvel are desperately trying to beat anime and manga with terrible fanfiction (I wont consider them comics) while star wars collabs with anime artists to make star wars visions

[@justheretostay5057]

The saddest thing is the good stuff marvel and dc makes gets drowned out by the shit they do nowadays

[@good8619]

@@justheretostay5057 Oh yeah, Marvel just straight up pissed on Stan Lee's grave. And DC, pretty much commited self-die.

[@justheretostay5057]

@@good8619 dc was doing good when rebirth came along a lot of the shit they messed up they were correcting life was good until event books showed up and made everything complicated again but yeah rebirth was pretty good can’t lie about that.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

Hell yea, Star Wars Visions look dopely amazing, and for the least they make it clear they're spin-offs instead of sequel fanfics.

[@josueveguilla9069]

Imagine Blackfire and Starfire having "fun" on The Hub.

[@JouganNeon]

No. NO. NO. AND NO

[@josueveguilla9069]

@@JouganNeon Why not? Is that so wrong?🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@Lt.Longshot]

Oh god, don’t give them any ideas…

[@josueveguilla9069]

@@Lt.Longshot Too late.

[@thatwaffleguy4958]

@@Lt.Longshot Oh, it already exists.

[@saffyesperas2278]

Self inserts are good if they are their own story.

[@casualalleyperson]

Dunno man, I enjoyed the Mantis destroying the soldiers.

[@torva360]

What came is that? UEBS?

[@murasakiten]

Same

[@Bruh-ku4hx]

XD same it was kinda entertaining

[@gabbyn.3049]

Look at it go holy shit

[@leavemealone802]

The concept of the comic is really interesting, it could even explore a dark side of Starfire, showing she is a good hero and friend, but had alot of problem with being a mom. Maybe she becomes a perfectionist, and that causes harm to her daughter. This could have work! There were alot of possibilities... *sigh*

[@dakotacollis5123]

As someone aspiring to be a screenwriter in the future, I see nothing wrong with self inserts. I find no matter what you do or how hard you try to change it, every character will have a little bit of you in it. But seeing how many people hate the personality of this character, I think it's pretty safe to say that not even the writer themselves is likable if this is their self insert.

[@saturnas]

Yeah, self inserts are usually better versions of the writers/yourself... Even when you think about a bad, or cringy self insert, you usually get a character who's way too bland and passive (for the public to identify with) or way too perfect, the classic mary sue good at everything and loved by everyone. I have never seen a self insert main character who's downright mean like Mandy.

[@TDIdialgagirl]

I've read both 'My Immortal' and 'Sonichu' and they're both better reads than i am not starfire. At least 'My Immortal' had a sort-of plot

[@conormcguire4306]

Are you serious? That’s how bad it is.

[@TDIdialgagirl]

@@conormcguire4306 At least My Immortal didn't bore me to death

[@drillsargenttay3960]

At least My Immortal was funny 💀

[@chadgethin-procter569]

Funny to mention Sonichu after these past few days' outrage to the creator.

[@rainy4902]

I hate that all it takes to make a “marketable story” is to pander to Twitter, like they don’t even need to make a well thought out plot line, all they need to do is make a straight character gay and call it “character development” It’s a disgrace to the hard work and talent put in to making genuinely good stories

[@toganium4175]

I hope Starfire's daughter isn't a self insert because that means that the author might be like/act like her in real life.

[@BanishedSilentShadow3318]

Well in another video in the comments someone (even i) jokingly said maybe the author is just self projecting and she actually hates her mom.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

It absolutely is a self-insert, just look at pictures of the author. I'm sure she has the same personality as Dumpstarfire too.

[@GlassesnMouthplates]

The scarier part is, the comic ends with Mandy turning into a "better" character without the story acknowledging that she was being super mean to Starfire and Claire let alone shows her apologizing, which in a sense, seems like the writer still tries to point out that both the mother and the crush were the ones who wronged Mandy. If anything, this shows that Mariko Tamaki is the type of person in real life who won't admit to her mistakes or maybe even prone to manipulate other people to make them feel they're the ones who are guilty.

[@onepunch2310]

It’s really weird how a tall goddess like star fire could make a daughter so genetically unfortunate.

[@whitefri2z]

I like "I am not Starfire" because it actually helps me write my own SI. I know exactly what not to do. Well, that's what I would say if I didn't read any SI fanfics, because those are the common flaws an author writes for his OCSI because he wants it to be "relatable". The only thing that this comic lacks is the "abused/orphan MC" approach.

[@ryankelley5160]

"You can't see that they are just using you?" * Entire month of June sweats profusely

[@RatteDrago]

The story had potential to be decent. Maybe she learned that she is her own person and that she doesn't have to follow the path her mother took. All we got was that she is a spoiled brat who complains and throw tantrums with little to no consequences.

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Japan and other countries hate I Am Not Starfire. Being rude is never relatable.

[@icycrusader1947]

@Ricardo Marín I can confirm.

[@scorpion-qk7rr]

@Ricardo Marín tf does that mean? No one likes rude people no matter what their race, religions, gender is..

[@Style_224]

Bro it funny that she try to defend this is hilarious

[@scottr2314]

It looks like Mariko Tamaki, the author of I am not Starfire, inserted herself as Mandy Korland'r into the comics to vent about something from her real life. Another SJW with an pc attitude. When are these comic book companies going to learn that this type of thing is costing them a lot of money and that's not going to stop. Comics and related media is not the place for there SJW agendas.Wasn't Raven considered Goth or at least Goth like, why do they need another goth girl?No wonder why DC turned off the comments right off the bat.

[@ScytheManiac]

Funny part is political correctness is all about how you can't hurt others or have to respect everyone every single second of your time... but apparently being jealous of something you don't have, hating on people who don't think like you, surrounding yourself with people who hate what you hate, and being a nice guy/girl when someone is not into you is totally fine. always the "you have to protect my safe space but I can shit on yours "

[@fireemblemaddict128]

The one thing I disagree about the artstyle. The artstyle is fine, I would even go as far as to say it's pretty good. People don't know what they're talking about and just want to stack a bunch of bad things onto its review. It makes taking criticism harder when it's clear people aren't being impartial and wildly attacking all its traits.

[@Isokatmydydecsf]

Actually yeah I liked it too. I like how they draw Starfire and the rest of characters

[@MissCaraMint]

I really didn’t, but I’m willing to admitt that it’s probably doing the style it was supposed to do well. I guess I just don’t like the art style in the first place. In fact I would bet it’s pretty polarising.

[@PolarDoc22]

Garbage art style, stop being a hipster. That shit is something you’d see in a shitty Barbie commercial. Pure dreck. NO one needs to TRY to dislike shit like this, don’t kid yourself. This is “middle bias”. The need to “balance” the things you say based purely on how many things you’ve said before. It’s a trait of people who are scared of being jusged for being honest.

[@kaptenlemper]

The artstyle is so Tumblr it hurts.

[@ElanaVital83]

You say people don't know what they're talking about...but they're sharing an opinion which is just as allowed to exist as yours.

[@VinoIxRxMxA-cq2iy]

0:28 taneshima

[@samobispo1527]

Pre-spider bite Peter Parker was an down trodden ‘Everyman’ any comic book reader could relate to. But in the first issue, he went from picked-on nerd, to arrogant bully, to responsible hero. Today’s SJW authors don’t give us characters who have a developmental arc. Their characters are stuck in Peter Parker as arrogant show biz jerk phase and Uncle Ben never dies.

[@eoingaskin]

I like mandy from "I am not starfire." Because she's so easily unlikeable.

[@ryszakowy]

"i'm not here to destroy their take, she has right to her opinion" - well internet said otherwise. this whole defending dumpsterfire thing went like "imma destroy my whole career" so there's nothing else to be destroyed. as i like to say you can have your wrong opinion just don't hurt yourself with it

[@SparkTFS]

The person defending Dumpster fire: "It hurt itself in its confusion!"