Shemp: The Living Dead Stooge (Fake Shemp)

[@SamsarasArt]

I can't imagine how horrible this had to feel for Moe and Larry.... Especially Moe. Poor guy lost both his brothers within a few years and having to pretend that Shemp was still alive during all this had to be soul crushing. No one should have to go through that.

[@Garrett316]

The stand in actor alone deserves respect just for stepping up to the task. Big shoes to fill.

[@scooterose100]

For sure! I’d a great job too!

[@MDCSWildcats86]

He got a credited role in a Joe Besser era 3S short called GUNS A POPPIN! (which was a partial remake of a Curly-era short called IDIOTS DELUXE). He played Mad Bill Hookup whom the Stooges capture, but then let get away.

[@garycasper2929]

The saddest part of this story is that Columbia wouldn’t release Moe out his contract. Those charlatans not only should of released him they should of paid him the remainder as a bonus for a lifetime of great artistry.

[@slappy8941]

It's "should have", not "should of". I'd like to meet the dumbass that started that stupid shit.

[@garycasper2929]

@@slappy8941 how about you go face mask ur finger tips & then go fuk urself... This is the utube comment board not a term paper.. Jackrabbit..! Lol

[@Mrd9960]

@@garycasper2929 Lol i know huh? Looks like someone wants attention😂

[@beavisjones1831]

Gary Casper i have to commit your response to memory as i get a lot of flak about grammar too also

[@donaldteuber8588]

@@slappy8941 Ignorance can be cured... stupid is forever. I wonder where the people who were offended by your comment fit in. Hey... we all make mistakes in grammar... don't have a conniption fit if some points out an error.

[@AnthonyWLeone]

Watching this now as an adult, it is painfully obvious it wasn't our beloved Shemp. But my heart breaks for his brother Moe and his friend Larry. It couldn't have been easy for them at all.

[@jeffreygabel4415]

Cannot replace Shemp, I think they did a good job. I know Moe was sad losing Curly & Shemp

[@razorshark9320]

Both Curly and Shem were related to Moe and Larry. I know what is to lose a close family member.

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Shemp and Curly are irreplaceable.

[@edwynnkelley136]

@@razorshark9320 Shemp Howard and Curly Howard were Moe Howard's brothers whereas Larry Fine was only a friend.

[@michaeldavis2021]

I'm sure it was hard for Larry too.

[@hamhockbeans]

@@michaeldavis2021 Larry was like apart of the family. To Moe,Curly and Shemp Larry was the other brother.

[@stevehoffman9735]

Moe must have been pretty sad doing this. :^(

[@porflepopnecker4376]

Yeah, I can't watch these without thinking of that.

[@AceripXF]

ya really

[@kevinmiller1985]

@@porflepopnecker4376 From what I've read Palma himself said he didn't want to do it, but as Moe once said, 'The Show Must Go On!' (In the wake of Curly's stroke while filming Half Wits Holiday). Moe was a real trouper, going on despite his brother having just been whisked away in an ambulance to be taken to the hospital. Curly was even more of a trouper, forcing himself to go in front of the cameras as sick as he was. You could tell Moe was having a difficult time keeping it in while filming.

[@AlfredHawthornBennyHill]

@@kevinmiller1985 Moe wanted Curly to rest and Curly didn't have a choice but to work. Harry Cohn forced Curly to continue to work despite being so ill after his first series of small strokes starting in the spring of 1945. Moe said he could make shorts with just Larry but Cohn told him he was paying for three stooges, not two and to do it with Curly or else. Harry Cohn was a monster.

[@kevinmiller1985]

@@AlfredHawthornBennyHill He certainly was. On one of his visits to The Mike Douglas Show, Moe himself admitted that Cohn was a tyrant. I'm sure nobody missed him when he died.

[@bannisher]

How ghoulish to pretend your dead brother is still alive to fulfill a contract. The stooges always got the short end of the stick.

[@l.salisbury1253]

This had to have been difficult for Moe. Remember he & Shemp started performing together when they were kids!

[@dreamquesttv]

Not only that, they had the same parents too!

[@monochromeyoshi]

@@dreamquesttvThat’s a convoluted way to say that they were brothers…

[@finckel2682]

Clues that "Shemp" wasn't Shemp: 1. He was always on his back or side to the cameras or covering his face like on 1:58 and 2:29. He was visibly taller than the actual Shemp (Shemp was 5'5'' and Joe was 5'8''), so Palma was forced to hunch his back when standing. 3. For the scenes 1:01, 1:28, 1:31 and 1:44, it's clear it's not Shemp's voice, but Palma's voice.

[@AceripXF]

i felt so bad for Moe 😭 bc his brother died n was forced to call joe palma shemp

[@gpowellish1]

Moe lost both of his Brothers Shemp and Curly.

[@brainguy3263]

Curly Joe basically ruined the 3 stooges. Never watched them after Joe was in them.

[@iVenge]

These guys were show people. The show had to go on. Moe understood that better than most, and people back then in general were made of tougher stuff.

[@mondocjenson-dy8zd]

@@brainguy3263 was not my cup of tea...

[@brainguy3263]

@@mondocjenson-dy8zd What wasn't your cup of tea?

[@artofmore7197]

Anyone noticed that the replacements after Shemp are all named Joe? Joe Palma Joe Besser Joe DeRita

[@TheBruster]

Yeah, i knew it

[@jameslebeau7078]

Joe Mama

[@ryderbrown8086]

Ha, got em

[@Nikolaos0603]

Yeah. What’s with the Stooges in guys named Joe?

[@tomharcar8064]

Besser wasn’t even Moes first choice as a replacement. In fact, interestingly, one of the names Moe put out for was an African-American actor named Moreland (who played a scared silly character and would been perfect for a stooge). If not for prejudice and misconceptions, there might’ve been a black stooge

[@mikeysuzefour]

Give it up to Palma for the 'show must go on' way of the Stooges.

[@fingerjack]

How hard it must of been for Moe to be acting talking to a real stooge when it wasn’t either of his brothers.

[@slappy8941]

It's "must have", dumbass, not "must of". Where do you Idiots learn English?

[@Mrd9960]

@@slappy8941 Dude chill, it was a simple mistake, no need for insults! Peace👍

[@RadicalCaveman]

Larry wasn't his brother.

[@fingerjack]

@@RadicalCaveman Shemp and Curly (and Moe) were all brothers. Larry wasn’t a brother. Not sure who said he was. My point being when Shemp died they were still contracted to complete the shorts, so “fake Shemp” took over, leaving Moe the only remaining Horowitz brother. So after decades of working with his brothers, he was the only one left. We were talking about the Horowitz brothers. Not Larry.

[@michaelfitzgerald3467]

Great work putting this together. You can see Parna was way too tall for Shemp and so stooped every scene to be as short as the others.

[@tmfd9476]

Wow! Even death can’t get you out of a contract in Hollywood

[@NathanRW]

I love how obvious it is in the first clip. He makes sure to never even turn his head so you can see his profile haha

[@ultramariox74]

On the end of scheming schemers Moe and Larry ask where's Shemp and they looked up. In a way it was like a tribute to him when he past on.

[@justinturley7071]

Scheming Schemers was the best post-Shemp death filmed episode. Stock Footage mixed up with the New Footage real well. And I also liked the way Jules mixed it up in that episode. By using the scenes where Moe and Shemp plug the water pipes first and then using Shemp going up to where the bathroom and bathtub is, switching from that to Moe and Larry and Shemp gets the last shot before the closing credits. And also, Scheming Schemers is my favorite plumbing short. And it's funny how 3 different Directors Directed each plumbing short, A Plumbing We Will Go (1940) Hugh McCollum, and Del Lord Producer, and Del Lord Director. Vagabond Loafers (1949) Produced by Hugh McCollum and Directed by Edward Bernds. Scheming Schemers (1956) Produced and Directed by Jules White.

[@jacksagrafsky4936]

The show must go on. Sad for Moe and Larry losing two brothers and two best friends. When Joe Besser joined the three he was not whole heartily in with the face slapping and other physical humor. I believe he insisted that he would never be hit by contract. With the addition of Joe DeRita the three would return to the fin we all love.

[@peterderiemer3854]

Larry wasn't a Horrowitz .. he was Fine!😜

[@rwboa22]

@@peterderiemer3854, actually a Feinberg, who along with "Curly Joe" DeRita (born Joseph Wardell), were both from Philadelphia.

[@jasonlou2013S]

Joe Besser hate to be hit by fists or pies and he was force of the pressure from the company and joined the stooges. He is tragical. If The company agrees that two stooges as Moe and Larry, that even better.

[@marilyntape508]

I loved Shemp so much 😊💜🇦🇺

[@lloydkline6946]

Love shemp boxing dance

[@dickrush6463]

My all-time favorite.

[@dsim6703]

Every time Moe said Shemps name, it was like he was using finger quotes: "Hey "Shemp"

[@travelinben1966]

Shemp was awesome,and a really tough act to follow, as were all the stooges.R.I.P. boys, you were the greatest.👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@scooterose100]

They sure where!

[@JR-gc8el]

They made it so obvious that it wasn't him, having his back to the camera and hunched down and not having much to say. I really liked shemp too after curly was my favorite!

[@jamesstone5340]

I truly love the Stooges, obviously Moe was a consummate professional, but this could not have been easy for him. They will live on forever!!!

[@StephenLuke]

RIP Shemp Howard (1895-1955) and Joe Palma (1905-1994)

[@grapper6676]

Shemp was very underrated

[@robertpolityka8464]

The show must go on... Moe and Larry did pretty good for those 4 episodes.

[@ucproductions5810]

1:12 The only time you see Palma's face

[@tonymazzella4812]

I know I'm in the minority but Shemp was my favorite Stooge.

[@MrMarksdaddy]

tony mazzella Shemp was my favorite stooge as well. Although many are fans of Curly, Shemp was funny in his own right. He is very underrated because of the popularity of his younger brother.

[@karlhess7064]

My favorite, also. And Don P. , also (lives in New Jersey)

[@wdd3141]

I didn't care for Shemp, yet he was supposed to have been fun to work with. I also didn't realize that originally there were two stooges working with Ted Healy: Shemp and Moe.

[@scottherring8987]

Curley was very good. I liked his comedy. But the last 10 or so years i like shimp. He did some funny stuff. I watch the stooges and puts me in a better mood. R i p. Moe. Curley larry and shimp. Im 60 and started watching these funny guys when i was in diapers. There will never be anyone like the stooges. There in. Heaven. Again they were the best. !!!!!!!!

[@davidcouch6514]

Mine too although as a child I liked Curly.

[@chuckcookus]

Fake Shemp was still better than Joe DeRita

[@AceripXF]

i dissagree

[@ericstoverink6579]

To be fair Joe Derita and Joe Besser were both a huge disadvantage when they joined the stooges. They didn't have the time in that Curly and Shemp both had. By the time Besser had joined the Columbia shorts department had already been gutted of most of their best writers and directors. Even the last year of Shemp shorts were of low quality. When DeRita came in Moe and Larry were pushing 70 years old. Regardless of who the 3rd stooges was, they would never be on the top of their game again. Given more time to develop as stooges, I believe that Besser and DeRita, both could have hit their stride and developed into classic stooges. The circumstances were never right, though.

[@ralphyetmore]

Didn't DeRita move up north to a ranch in Alaska? I think they called him "Cool Ranch DeRita".

[@Bigbadwhitecracker]

Besser and De Rita were great in their own series of shorts. Besser was also very good in The Joey Bishop Show and of course, Abbott and Costello.

[@jamesroman9081]

Or Joe Besser for that matter. If you weren't a Howard or a Fine you were no stooge. Stand in's not withstanding. Why you 👊✌🖐😅

[@cnosprandt5155]

Does anyone else think it's heartless of the studio to hold Moe and Larry to the contract after Shemp died? Moe lost both brothers in a short span.

[@melissacooper4282]

I believe so. Harry Cohn was a tight fisted bastard who only cared about making money. The Stooges were cash cows to him. If he had compassion he would've let Moe and Larry take grievance time after Curly and Shemp's deaths.

[@mrmentality8456]

I think heartless is too kind. The studio were a solid bunch of cunts.

[@jasonnstegall]

Well, there were many words and phrases to describe Columbia Pictures president Harry Cohn...most of them unrepeatable in the pre-George Carlin "SDWYCSOT" era..."full of empathy or even sympathy" was NOT one of them. Even back then in show biz, it was "make money for me or you're fired"!

[@whatevernice3452]

I think so. 😔

[@slappy8941]

I remember that as a kid I noticed that there was something wrong with Rumpus in the Harem one, especially that Shemp was dubbed in.

[@notme191]

Rest in peace to all of the three stooges. We will never forget you.

[@matthewronsson]

Joe was a head taller than Shemp with a proportionality wider build.

[@MrPowerlyte]

I've seen these episodes a couple of times and never noticed the switch. Good Job.

[@anthonyn4603]

I must say, the guy playing fake shemp really did make a good repmacement for a while.

[@walterschivo9123]

It looked like at the time, MOe and Larry had to do extra work since that wasn't Shemp out there.

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

I swear, everyday I’m hearing about another awful thing that the stooges had to go through

[@anniatole]

Holy crap that was awful..felt wrong just watching it Edit: plus Moe always called him Broccoli Head or Meathead.. Never "hey, Shemp"

[@_sintrell]

I wonder how the viewers back in the day felt about this

[@Nikolaos0603]

It must’ve been really hard for Moe to be calling his brother’s name knowing full well he’s not there anymore 😢

[@pressureworks]

2:09 The real Schemp. Scene inserted from an earlier short. Different hat on Larry. Moes jacket unzipped.

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

He always had his back to the camera and was mostly making that noise

[@michaelmakes1225]

He was also taller than Shemp,so he is always hunched down

[@stevegallo8483]

Had to be hard for Moe to make those "Shemp" shorts so soon after Shemp died with Joe Palma standing in for his brother.

[@stevenpagnani7005]

I saw every episode. I don't remember watching these. Still funny to think day

[@christianhardtofind6349]

They didn't even bother to dub in the real Shemp screaming at 1:01. And then at 1:12, Palma shows his face.

[@redbeard36]

I always wondered why those were shot like that...I was a strange kid

[@RadicalCaveman]

No... they were strange films.

[@joeancona2784]

I also noticed that other stooges used fakes.one example that comes to mind is in HOI POLI when they all dance around with the dance instructor, you can see at least 2 fake stooges when they all jump out the window into a fountain. Another one comes to mind I noticed in GRIPS GRUNTS AND GROANS, in the scene when they are all running around the corner you can clearly see a fake Larry, but ,regardless that's what makes the stooges so GREAT!!!

[@rydstallion75]

The Stooges shouldn't have owed Columbia squat. It was their show, and to heck with a contract. If someone dies, the contract is null and void. You'd think a company would have been sympathetic to that cause.

[@bobbylee2853]

They needed the money.

[@manueldope2292]

Shemp was always my favorite.

[@ranchan215]

Oh wow I didn't know and now seeing it again wow I can't wait to show pop thankyou

[@brianzelch4734]

I remember watching all of these shorts a lot in the 80s and I did notice something didn't seem right but back then there was no internet to find out.

[@GameTime-yj6qv]

Same here

[@butthissureisfun5619]

Not relevant to the video, but Larry running headfirst into the wall at 1:05 had me in tears 😂

[@squirrelorama]

Larry is my favorite stooge. They're all fantastic; Larry was the master at comic timing. He always cracks me up when he decides to try and be second-in-command under Moe and gets lambasted.

[@themysteriouscatperson9483]

@@squirrelorama Larry is very underrated and subtle

[@MrMisterChiliPepper88]

Sad thing is that curly and shemp died just 3 years apart in the 1950s

[@tedgonzalez985]

What the hell, man? That's such a cruel contract. Having to owe films even after the death of one of the stars, much worse it being the brother and close friend of the other other two stars. Having Moe pretend that Shemp was still alive in those scenes. I don't think I could ever watch those films now. Just too painful to do it.

[@q.h.s5051]

Shemp was my favorite Stooge, now I see what wasn't obvious to me as a kid

[@stuarthecht8196]

Thank you for creating this compilation, and for sharing the info. I had no idea that Shemp passed away during their contract, and that the boys used a double for him. I can see why the camera mostly shows Joe Palma from the back- there is a considerable weight difference between him and Shemp. Despite the gags, I can sense the sadness in Moe. I love the Three Stooges, can't get enough!

[@mistervacation23]

Falscher Frühling, auch falscher Frühling genannt, bezieht sich auf eine Wetterperiode im späten Winter oder frühen Frühling, in der die Temperaturen deutlich über dem Normalwert liegen und sich über einen bestimmten Zeitraum erstrecken.

[@kopawhite1399]

Oh I feel for Moe losing two of brothers or any love-one is heartbreaking and have to replace them with a substitute or a fake😢

[@39Hundred]

The studio was cold hearted.

[@melissacooper4282]

The studio cared more about making money than their actors well being. And by the way it's loved one.

[@Eddie_Schantz]

There are several good you-tube videos of Moe on the Mike Douglas Show in the early 70's. Worth the look.

[@thema1998]

I don't know how Moe and Larry were able to get through these. Larry lost his friend of over three decades and Moe lost his brother three years after losing another brother (Curly). Also, it was *painfully* obvious that Shemp wasn't there! Fake Shemp had his face hidden in nearly every scene he was in.

[@maxxard7992]

Rest in Peace to Samuel Horwitz, Jerome Horwitz, Moses Horwitz, Louis Fienberg, Joe Palma, Joe Besser, Joe DeRita, Dudley Dickerson, and Emil Sitka. The 9 stooges. Edit: I know that Dudley wasn't actually a stooge and neither was Emil. But they both almost DID become the 3rd stooge at one point.

[@roddmatsui3554]

Beautiful film illustrating these shorts’ production.

[@ClassicBob100]

when Commotion on the Ocean came out, wouldn't people have recognized the reused footage from Dunked In the Deep and wonder what was going on? I did back in the 1960s it was a little too obvious same characters and clothing same location same story I recognized it right away

[@camdencoblentz3245]

I imagine that they got away with it back in the day when the shorts were shown exclusively in theaters, especially with the long gaps between the originals and remakes, as well as the likelihood that they were audience members that hadn't seen the original versions. Of course, when the shorts would end up being shown on television and later on vhs and dvd, it's much easier now to notice the rehashing.

[@AceripXF]

i hate they used a fake shemp i felt sorry for moe it had to have been akward

[@abnjmk]

I agree, how do you perform with some one taking the place of you brother :-( From what I read about Harry Cohen head of Columbia he was a mean S.O.B. and I'm sure would not release the boys from making the last 4 shorts out of respect to Shemp and Moe.

[@kevinmiller1985]

@@abnjmk Makes you wonder who was meaner-Cohn or Ted Healy?

[@AceripXF]

@@kevinmiller1985 Cohn for sure!

[@MC-vo7vt]

I think Moe had a very strong work ethic. Being a shrewd businessman, he may have been able to negotiate a way out of contractual obligations. It may be that Moe understood show business and thought that “The show must go on”. It’s also possible that he thought that’s what his older brother, Shemp, would have wanted. Regardless, as sad as Moe must have been, he, above all, was a very dedicated professional. That’s why we still love these guys after all these year. Acts like this are timeless, and needed during challenging times.

[@ClassicBob100]

Up in Daisy's Penthouse is that Palma filing in for Shemp early in the short when the stooges break though the window and Shemp is playing his father and then when Shemp plays his father and the double is viewable from his back

[@ydasda4210]

Shemp was my favorite.

[@randyacuna3248]

Just wondering if the stooges would have worked with shemp from the beginning without curly ever getting involved. I say yes because shemp had comedy training and timing.

[@spicy321]

Shemp and Moe were the original Stooges. Larry joined them soon after. Shemp left in the early 30s because he didn't get along with Ted Healy and had a very successful solo career in comedies. Curly came in to replace Shemp. Shemp's return in the late 40s was only supposed to be temporary until Curly recovered from his stroke.

[@markrush5013]

shemp was an original

[@martyc2637]

Shemp died at 60. So these guys were doing some very physical comedy when they were not spring chickens.

[@2godless]

They did a terrible job but it’s hilarious. It shows a real show-must-go-on attitude.

[@SegaDream131]

The show should NEVER go on.....

[@mickeymojito]

Damn. Hollywood is heartless.

[@thetruthhurts6652]

Who knew. Three Stooges… One of my all time favourites

[@bubcentral23]

Sam Raimi if he uses stand ins credits them as Shemp in the movies credit roll.

[@beavisjones1831]

Wow that is out there thanks for the knowledge of this

[@Rockhound6165]

There are more examples. There's one short they remade with Joe Besser when Joe was dressed as Santa was being chased and hid up a fireplace. A guy shoots up the flue and the scream you hear is decidedly Shemp's.

[@jack2breeze]

Because of this the term "Fake Shemp" is used whenever a stand in is needed to fill in for an absent actor.

[@joshk4187]

I learned something new. I never knew that some these last Shemp shows were played by a fake one . I knew that Curly had a stroke and that what ended his career.

[@t.b.g.504]

Much like John Taylor standing in for Peter Sellers in the new linking footage for 'Trail of the Pink Panther.'

[@juanrangel7007]

This is terrible. Imagine their emotions during this. 😭

[@vassa1972]

Cool stuff loved these guys

[@goodun2974]

My favorite episode involving Curly was the one with the oyster stew ("are these oysters fresh?"). I liked Shemp too but off the top of my head I can't pick out one favorite episode in particular that starred Shemp.

[@jamessilver6429]

they're in haunted castle, shemps standing next to a knights armor tthing and lights a cigg arette, the knights armor thing says "can i have a puff ,i haven't had a smoke in a 1000 yrs " ,shemp says "are you sure you're old enough to smoke"? moe punches him in the stomach! theres zillions of em

[@WinkDaMan07]

Personally, I think “Baby Sitters Jitters” is the funniest Shemp short

[@goodun2974]

@@WinkDaMan07 , funny that your reply comes today, because just yesterday I showed the Oyster Stew episode to somewhat-younger family members who had never seen it, and they laughed uproariously!

[@jason66801]

never even noticed how they never showed his face

[@kimcarothers2203]

I have but you havent

[@kevinmiller1985]

@@kimcarothers2203 Because if Palma's face had been shown, it would clearly reveal the deception.

[@pizzaplanettruck9761]

They did technically show it in Hot Stuff but he had the beard on. On the Rumpus in the Harem poster where they're sitting on the floor looking at the Harem girls half of his face is seen, but he's farthest from the camera.

[@JasonSum1979]

i’ve been watching the 3 Stooges for 36yrs of my life (I never caught this) Interesting but, also very sad Poor Larry & Moe really had the deck stacked against them countless times!

[@marcdewey1242]

Shemp was actually a stooge before Curly but quit to pursue other things then returned after Curly suffered a stroke.

[@TheAnubis57]

So "Plan 9 from outer space" wasn't the only to do this.

[@neurospizz75]

He was fantastic

[@Lexman509]

I learned about this because of the Evil Dead movies. They are listed in the credits as 'Fake Shemps'.

[@tenfourproductionsllc]

Shemp was great as a stooge, he didn't try to be the next Curly but his own unqiue character and it worked well.

[@Ubritoons96]

Oh man, whether it be the Three Stooges or the OG Power Rangers, I’m generally don’t like when studios have to resort to “faking” characters to keep them around for live action projects. I guess it’s probably for contract reasons so they can keep a production quota, but this whole practice just feels scummy to me. Why would studios lie to their audience if an actor isn’t available? Very sad.

[@SS-wh4fs]

Greatest comedian of all the Stooges.

[@NicholasChorba]

It wasn't until watching this that I realized how important their facial expressions were

[@wb9506]

I remember notice this years ago I thought it was my imagination

[@TheAKgunner]

I always wondered why he looked different in different shorts.

[@OptimusPrime298]

It must have been pretty sad and awful that moe had to call Joe Palma Shemp in those four shorts

[@wesflarger]

Did they think no one would notice?

[@justinturley7071]

Not really. Edward Bernds (a writer and director of the Stooges Shorts from 1945-1951) said, that audiences could not tell old from new. They just thought they were watching a brand new short by them.

[@Rickshaw881]

Shemp was the greatest.

[@beatleman69]

Sad Moe lost two brothers within a few years of one another.

[@jasonlou2013S]

Yea, that's so sad for him

[@redcan5254]

01:42 Not quite right ... not quite right ... in fact ... really really ...

[@DicasdoCortez]

Great movies

[@btn011486]

That I kill you line was from malice in the palace

[@rirchardrubio5621]

I liked both Curly and Shemp. They both Cracked me up. The others that came after them were not that good.

[@BrianHenson95]

I think it sucks that they redid some shorts with shemp. It must have been weird to replace your brother in the same scene he played as well as it didn't give shemp his proper place. Like he was solidified as a replacement even tho he was his own stooge

[@brattenhugo5643]

Joe DeRita was good as well, Joe Besser however? Now that’s a different story