Defensive flying in World War 2 Air Combat Simulators

[@virtualinfinity6280]

Excellent video. One cannot overstate the importance of Stage 1&2. Some minor remarks, thou: 1. When on the offensive, never assume you are a suprise to the enemy. At least, unless you are close and coming from his low-6. People have chat, where they tell each other when they have 6. Even worse, many pilots don't fly alone and while you think you suprise an enemy with your attack, you are already being setup for his teammate and dead already. 2. Keep an eye on the clock. Rule of thumb: If your attack takes more than 15secs, you are at a disproportional high risk. 3, Before starting your attack, check around. Check twice. If cloud-level is between you and the enemy, reconsider. There might be others lurking in the clouds. 4. Stay away from furballs. And I mean *away*, not *above*. Furballs are fighter-magnets. Whenever there is a furball, world&dog tries to maneuver above it and snatch an easy kill by diving on an occupied opponent. So, when you maneuver above a furball, chances are high, you are not alone. 5. always know your heading. When you fly away from enemy territory, check your back. Likewise, when heading towards it, check upfront. Both not exclusively. Avoid circling above frontline areas, rather fly wide sweeps. Circling closely above some objective most likely just turns you into a fat pinata, yelling "come and get me". 6. If you loose enemy contact, run. Run immediately. Chances are, he maneuvered because a teammate told him, you're there. And you already lost control of the situation. Whenever I get shot down in Il-2, which happens uncomfortably often, I did not follow the advice given in this video and/or my remarks.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

sound advise here

[@virtualinfinity6280]

@@SheriffsSimShack Corrected spelling, ruined your pinning. Sorry for that.

[@virtualinfinity6280]

@h0ust0n Considering furballs fun is of course all up to personal taste. You just should not expect to come out victorious or unharmed/undamaged - or successful, in short. And being successful, ist what Sheriff's video is all about. And my remarks are meant to support that. Personally, I fancy aerobatics and occasionally just flying around, enjoying a nice map in good weather. But that also does not constitute a "successful fighter pilot" :)

[@334th_Hartmann]

I'm always amazed at how many people fail to check their 6 in the 10-20 seconds after getting a kill themselves

[@chulian1819]

and 99% don't check six if they have enemy in crosshairs

[@hunormagyar1843]

@@chulian1819 Yeah one really wants to get that kill lol

[@rachelle8534]

Yeah

[@mucholibra113]

Too busy watching their kill spiral down to the ground

[@cheekburek6672]

Really helpful video, was quite wondering about all of those shenanigans with defensive flying since normally I'm guaranteed dead if someone does get on my six... So now I found myself watching this video to somehow give a bit of a better fight to the enemy except just getting shot down immediately. Anyways I do think you're right, it all comes down to practice and experience. Thank you again!

[@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles]

Great video Sheriff. Thanks. I appreciated the logical steps involved.

[@ghoulunathics]

thank you for this upload! i love it the most when expert pilots return to the most basic fighting topics and give their thoughts on it. ps. i love how just watching IL-2 videos makes me suddenly very aware of all the stains on my screen xD pps. just a simple defensive action i want to throw in the soup: whenever you are turn fighting someone, especially if he's on your 6, try to add as much vertical movement on your maneuvers as possible, to transform your speed into potential energy instead of burning it. it can be used anywhere from gaining energy advantage on the enemy on your 6 to better placing your gunsight on your enemy.

[@yammoyammamoto8323]

I don't know how many times I've heard a wingman go.... -"CONTACT - 5-o-clock lo..... never mind... just some smudge on my screen." :D

[@EdadTace]

Stage 5: On fire, pilot dead, in the ground.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

indeed

[@thewrightstuff7971]

Or pilot not dead, bail, enjoy the view!

[@virtualinfinity6280]

@@thewrightstuff7971 Unless in TAW campaigns. There, you're just a target with a chute. You may not like that (at least I don't), but as the number of pilots on each map is limited for each side, "killing enemy pilots" is a valid objective. So on TAW, finish mission ASAP.

[@skybuprofen9834]

@@virtualinfinity6280 that's, umm...that's a war crime.

[@iflycentral]

I've run into the same issue when people ask me to do a defensive flying video. How to go about the topic. I think I will just referral people to this video when they ask me in the future. : )

[@k98_zock_tv47]

No no no :) It was about deflection shots hehe

[@iflycentral]

@@k98_zock_tv47 Not your request. That is very do-able. Other's have asked for defensive flying.

[@k98_zock_tv47]

@@iflycentral Allright ;) By the way, some of the swedish pilots and a squad mate with me, we are going on the swedish diskord to do something together tonight. Feel free to join again

[@iflycentral]

@@k98_zock_tv47 I would, but I am working, and my half sister is getting married also. I'll be lucky if I even get to be there. I am bound to get called out for something, but thanks for the invite. Maybe I will pop in and say hallo.

[@detal8643]

@I Fly Central Look at the chat :D

[@wessex8031]

This video is spot on, the two layers imo are the most important. You can literally avoid most of the fights with them. Keep it up💪

[@derekr6124]

Great video. Your overview covered a couple of novice pilot actions I had been getting away with and had turned into a bad habit. It was easy to see why when you explained it. Cheers!

[@yammoyammamoto8323]

Great video... Energy fighting really is a super complex topic on its own, but maybe the one topic that makes WWII The Epitome (imo) of dogfighting. As no WWII plane has an engine strong enough able to allow it to climb vertically. Generally, plane designers had to choose between stability, top-speed, power, roll-speed, turn-speed - without being the best in all categories. The greater your understanding of how different models stack up against each other, the better decisions you will make. Example Me, flying a P38, getting stalked by a FW190 while returning to base... (iirc, we were both RTB after very long sorties)... Knowing my P38 would not be able to outrun the FW, I know that at lower speeds, I might have a better chance, as the P38 is more stable. So - I started a series of maneuvers set to force the FW into bleeding more speed than needed. IIRC, there had been about 5-10 minutes worth of "posturing" and "positioning" leading up to the start of the clip, where the FW pilot decided to go all in... Try to spot the mistakes both of us make in the heat of things - as we trade the roles of being "hunter/prey", back-and-forth between us. :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmnIlaedosl9bK8 ~S~ BigSilverHotdog!

[@TheBrimigus]

That's real easy when you fly using Track Ir and can easily do the neckterist. VR flyers like my self can't just crank around 180 constantly. We have to use wingman, turns and climbs to verify our six.

[@thurbine2411]

Its even harder for hat stick users

[@aloysiusinc5875]

Great breakdown of defensive flying...thanks!

[@americanpatriot2422]

Outstanding video and presentation.

[@Atlascm]

Another great video Der Sherriff. I've still not had the opportunity to be able to even try and fly against/with you in IL-2 due to work. But here's a small contribution to keep you going man. Thanks again.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

oh this is fantastic yet again. I doesnt go unnoticed. Should you be on my discord shoot me a message so I can add you to the supporter!

[@antoinecharron6062]

Very good video! I love fact that you emphasize on SA because, as a noob (lol 😊) I get killed mostly because I am so focused on my target and don't check 6! Basically free buffet... On the other side, kills I get are often on enemies who just got out of a fight, or fixated on an allie. Practice makes perfect 👍

[@tomservo5347]

Only a few of us are born fighter pilots. It's a rare breed. Unfortunately most of us are average joes that require an immense amount of practice, fail, learn, apply lessons learned and keep building. (Except unlike real fighter pilots we get to rise from the smoking ruins like the phoenix....which would be my spirit animal concerning this game.)

[@slegawsky3292]

Go to 12:50 for the juice, very good advice.

[@TCrag]

Excelent video, thanks for creating this guide.

[@wallyknew]

Great instructional, best I've seen on this subject.

[@AlexanderBessalov]

combatbox server if I shoot down the enemy, the server does not write a message saying that such and such shot down such and such. Is this done in the server settings?

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Jup

[@AlexanderBessalov]

@@SheriffsSimShack ?

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Yes that is a server setting. Nothing you can do about.

[@AlexanderBessalov]

@@SheriffsSimShack Thank you. I often fly on a combatbox FW190 pilot AtamaN_UA

[@scopeseye]

12:03 to 12:05 the only advice you need.

[@ronaldwatson1951]

Good points , Practice is the key 🔑, good video

[@CMDRFandragon]

Lol one of the only times I played the old IL-2 1946 FB in multiplayer, I got into a like 5-6 minute long twirling battle with this 109. We were spinning and rolling and flipping around each other, neither could get any kind of good shot on the other. In the end, he broke off and I went back to base, where I think I got shot down by my own team......and then booted off the server for some reason......yeah, its a fun dogfight, but it was a weird ending.

[@jamesmaddison4546]

Anyone got tips on evading being shot down by a fighter who can turn and roll much faster than you can? I've been flying in the 109, it has straight line speed advantage but once someone is on my 6 and firing, getting out of there is pretty damn hard

[@DerKurfuerst]

Fly safe, fly smart, fly away - my motto :P

[@MauroPavanelli]

Great video! Could you tell me your convergence settings?

[@micsunday14]

Do you have a video on scissors flat and rolling. Brake turn etc. Obviously most people's watching your videos are still learning

[@stix_0910]

also the best defence is not flying solo(whenever possible). many pilots are on coms online and against that your odds are much poorer. situational awareness is def 1# king in this combat sim. almost all my deaths are loss of SA or that team mate i did not see. having a team mate (more is better) makes a huge difference in SA especially as they can watch your six during an attack, when u are most at risk.

[@jerryocrow1]

My neck (unlike yours) cannot rotate 190 degrees. So, what do I do? Thanks for the effort.

[@TCrag]

Twist round in your seat and rotate your back. Think reversing a truck for VR. If not on VR then you need to set up your TrackIR profile for this.

[@PlaneDrawings109]

Thanks! The video I needed

[@elishmuel1976]

6:56 I am that player lol! Hope watching your videos helps

[@Atlascm]

For those of you that keep watching his videos and haven't considered the time involved, Sheriff's paypal email is [e-mail]. Send him what you can, even if it's just a small amount. It's a world wide audience that can make a difference. If you're like me and don't have time to enjoy these hobbies, this is the next best thing. Thanks again Sheriff.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Thanks for the shoutout. But the email is wrong, Its [e-mail] which you have to put in on paypal. But many thanks for the shoutout

[@Atlascm]

Since youtube won't let me edit this for some reason.....I am sorry. Don't drink before posting youtube comments. Until it will let me edit this, once again. The wrong email address was commented on by me. Correct paypal email for Sheriff is, as he said, [e-mail]

[@jcjammer8972]

Bonjour. I’ve had a couple of months of practice since watching this helpful video initially and just went back to it today, because I find that I’m blacking out / tiring in the Spit IX when defending with flat or rolling scissors, even when just trying to out-turn a 109. Is the simple answer to be lighter on the stick? I also try to use flaps [Edit: My bad, I meant trim tabs 🥴] to achieve a tighter turn, but could that be part of the problem? Hope you get a spare minute or two in your busy day to reply. Salut!

[@SheriffsSimShack]

dont use the flaps in the spitfire for manevuering. They arent combat flaps. You need to lose speed! When trying to outturn a opponent lose some speed first to reduce the G load. But overall defending got even more difficult with the G Model.

[@jcjammer8972]

@@SheriffsSimShack . Oops! I meant to say trim tabs not flaps, I.e. trimming up to tighten the turn. Flaps would be a no-no especially on the Spit. Thanks for the reply Sheriff.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

In that case trim nose heavy so get a milder positive pitch response

[@jcjammer8972]

@@SheriffsSimShack . Ahhh, hadn’t thought of that. Seemed counterintuitive. I’ll give it a try. Thanks again! 🤛

[@Nsatiro]

great vid! the best!

[@richardwales9674]

Good video Sheriff. It would be interesting to do a bit of a series on other maneuvers in more depth maybe even using this as a reference point? But anyway it is good and it's got a like and I'll look at it again. :-)

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Certainly imaginable. Its on the list

[@richardwales9674]

@@SheriffsSimShack Nice. I'll look forward to them then. :-)

[@smukki6346]

Do you zoom using binds in il2 or track ir?

[@zel058]

Thank you very helpful☻

[@propagandaankyllastynyt882]

Looking at the video and see you watching your six almost all the time, but that's not that easy with VR... Don't really want to go back to IR tracking so I guess I need to figure out something else...

[@SheriffsSimShack]

There is a program called necksaver which allows to turn your head more. To compensate for the lower FoV in VR

[@propagandaankyllastynyt882]

@@SheriffsSimShack OMG YES! Thank you so much! 🙏

[@tarnlicht3657]

06:55 the confirm I got that im an unskilled player :( great video though!

[@NemesisVS]

how can you zoom in an out to the max so quickly?

[@SheriffsSimShack]

You have to setup this: drive.google.com/file/d/0B7NEbwyXgfdDdWVKek1LSzEzV00/view drive.google.com/file/d/0B7NEbwyXgfdDNUJGMUJva0dfbnc/view

[@dLimboStick]

Boelke's Dicta. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicta_Boelcke

[@k98_zock_tv47]

Good video, thank you

[@chae_shoko]

i understand very well aircraft combat flying since il2 original and only on il2 modern, i have no ability fight atall. No matter my defense manovers iam kill by 109 wich is laser accurate holding upon 6 and near perfection aim, and outspeed and out turn all planes no matter wich i choosing. I no longer understand anymore how it is possible enjoy series il2, there is no defense against 109 on il2 gb in my experiances :( i thinkn i just giveup nice video but it has not atall be able help me. i wishyou good flying sheriff from former il2 pilot 😟

[@ac9356]

What dose sortie mean

[@ashsalmi5806]

A C an engagement

[@iflycentral]

@@ashsalmi5806 not entirely accurate. A sortie is a combat flight. You can fly a sortie, and end up not engaging anything.

[@skidzholeshot1316]

or o photographic sortie with no guns

[@Atlascm]

A mission. Or one pre-determined flight.

[@fetilu0975]

It looks like a french word, like to go out with friends

[@DCRivs]

That was awesome! Thanks for the tips!

[@ميلورين]

رائع جدا وممتاز 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@ysko3908]

Great ! FInnaly !

[@biggieb8900]

1. Fly the airplane. 2. Reverse and kill.

[@iflycentral]

That's pro level stuff. We can't expect everyone to be able to handle that. :P

[@biggieb8900]

@@iflycentral I like the amount of times you were in the chat of this central...wtf stop talkin and FLY. I'll be on later btw.

[@iflycentral]

@@biggieb8900 Haha. Second invite I have gotten today. I am working unfortunately, and I am supposed to be at my half sister's wedding also. A big mess of a day today. :D

[@realsaffer]

@@iflycentral Is it possible to learn this power?

[@iflycentral]

@@realsaffer only if you break Euz first law. @BiggieB ; )

[@tahzib1451]

imagine having to do all this in a mobile game....

[@parisnormal1872]

I would like learn but, AI is so easy, just need to turn and ..that's it.

[@SheriffsSimShack]

Fly online:)

[@pacomacaw2456]

Graphics are great. Single player game play is rubbish. No multiplayer servers in Australia so don't waste your money.

[@lonngy8173]

Heaps of us aussies play online. They may not be aussie servers, but they sure as shit dont lag. Excellent game.

[@pacomacaw2456]

@@lonngy8173 Really...So tell me a server with people on it with a ping less than 250. Also every update screws up the controls. Not that single player is worth the trouble. Overpriced crap product.

[@lonngy8173]

Wings on liberty, need I say more. While the ping may be high; the game play isn't really affected at all. Each to their own I guess.

[@pacomacaw2456]

@@lonngy8173 Mate. I gave it a go and half the screen was blurred, so I guess it is not VR ready yet. Still unimpressed and feel ripped off.

[@bencristofani3116]

I'm an Aussie who plays wings of liberty and I must say it's quite frustrating having to hit two times the hits on enemy planes as somebody with normal ping. Gameplay isn't as bad as you might think at 340 ping, but the bullet kinetics is where it all falls apart.