Shi Association: Limbus Company's Most Forgotten Faction! [Limbus Company]

[@Welvader]

Hope you all enjoy the video :). Also, do keep in mind i try to be half joking/half serious with all my videos, but I'd genuinely recommend running the "Welvader's schizophrenic Shi team" in mirror dungeon (name still pending). Like, its genuinely fun! (by the way, something I forgot to mention in the video, I'd recommend running Middle Meursault as support to counteract the sanity loss for the Shi identities, since he gives 10 sanity to faction spesific identities and thus ignores Sinclair) Also yes, Lifetime stew Sinclair is still getting his own video, I just wanted to do this before 4/4 but it seems Shi is already dead as we're getting butler Faust and Linton Greg on 4/4... It is so over, but maybe this video will trigger the PM youtuber curse or something

[@lvadimass]

pretty sure you mixed fiery downs upgrade with wounded clerids, it doesn't give burn count just increases potency per hit by 4 and doubles potency at 20 by x2.5

[@caellanmurphy4751]

but i used ardor blossom star and ISH did stagger herself did they change it?

[@Welvader]

@@lvadimass Just checked it and you're right! I swear it gave count, but oh well atleast Liu Hong is more useful for keeping up count now

[@Welvader]

@@caellanmurphy4751 I elaborated in the video how you want to use corroded ardor blossom at the end of fights to not waste turns staggered during an active fight

[@caellanmurphy4751]

@@Welvader ahhhh tbh i dont get why ardor blossom corrosion staggers though but something like rip space and ddedr doesnt

[@xennomorph]

they really doing great at their job, being sneaky enough as an assassin that everyone forgot their just around.

[@Not_Rui_]

My favourite Shi Heathcliff moment is when he was at like 6 hp, said "Nah I'd fucking die" and used his S3 and straight up just imploded into a bloody pile of meat. So peak.

[@Welvader]

That why I had it as the intro joke lol, i love how Shi Heathcliff is the only id in the game that can outright do that lol

[@C19H38]

​@@Welvaderfr lol he could literally be 1 hit away from wining the fight but then his S3 kicks in and just "Nah,I'd fucking die"

[@АртёмУсенко-и4ю]

Well, it is a time-honored Shi tradition, stemming back from the Ruina days. 😜

[@Ariamaki]

@@Welvader He leaves this fight on his own terms, nobody else's!

[@B.a.z.z796]

​@@Welvader what abt Wyoshu? She loses hp on her S3 but Ive never gotten her to low hp for it to reach 0. Can she die like that?

[@Some_viewer]

Don't come crawling back when Shi ryoshu gets announced on the 4th of April. 4th day, 4th sinner, 4th month, 4th Shi Identity. With all of my cope it WILL happen. Although Gregory hath taken our perfect shi day from us, we must remember. There's always 3 4s in a month, and there's a four in every day guaranteed because of the month of April. we must keep coping.

[@lycfer7996]

If RedDragonEnigma cope A.B.A to existense you also can so NEVER GIVE UP

[@coffeegaming9863]

4 4th stuff

[@VoiceOfDistortion]

4th match flame e.g.o

[@thomaspau211]

2024

[@KDude107]

Shi Ryoshu will be a 00, if they continue the trend they set with zwei Faust, liu Hong and seven Heath

[@konato88]

Welvader is this an attempt to make use of esgoo curse? I'm all here for it!

[@Welvader]

God I wish, but we already know 4/4 Shi banner isn't gonna happen so not even the combined strenght of my Shi video and ESGOO's shi video from like months ago isn't strong enough

[@STARMAX34]

​@@WelvaderI still have faith that it somehow happens

[@GrimmUwU]

Even though I'm doubtful still, a shi resonance team is actually something really creative, quite shocking idea to make them work best, good job lol

[@Welvader]

its a big part of the reason why i had to make the script so much longer for this video lol, like it became double the lenght

[@rainerstratosphere]

The ID actually became universal team for most of the team specific EGO gift is actually really funny like how the hell that this actually would work and making sense lmao

[@rainerstratosphere]

after actually trying it (even without corroded AEDD and Ardor Blossom Star) it's actually really fuggin good like holy shite i didn't expect that it would actually turn into a decent burn/bleed/sinking/poise team at the same time like what

[@Crouzeriano]

they'll come back on Ryoshu's canto, save this comment

[@gravyos1]

I like this ESGOO-esque video that is quite informational and entertaining, looking forward to more

[@Welvader]

Thank you! Consider spreading this video around so more people use Shi and this funky little team I came up with for them :)

[@cl0k3]

I like how they made the whole gimmick of yujin being overworked into something thats a norm in the whole asc. Very fitting of the Japanese asc.

[@mimikyu5848]

Apparently the entirety of southern branch is corrupted and this is pre-ruina shi assoc so Thelma is still in charge

[@shikikankillzone4239]

​​@@mimikyu5848 Thelma is dead and tge game technically takes place after lor, tho

[@shikikankillzone4239]

Might be one of those mirror world thingies

[@mimikyu5848]

@@shikikankillzone4239 it's a mirror dimension, it doesn't have to be current time

[@Lawslayah]

They basically turned shi into hajime no ippo boxers instead of actual assassins, pretty interesting.

[@AmbushGuy]

itd be really cool if they made a Shi ID who acted as a “support” in the same wya BL meursault does, like by decreasing the stagger thresholds of shi allies

[@ruu4972]

Id rather have increase stagger, if they stagger early they can go wild the rest of the fight

[@BillyBob-xx5jr]

Really good video! I never realized just how many EGO gifts benefit from specific sin types. I will say, while the team seems interesting, Shi's always annoyed me in MD. The fact that you have to avoid any kind of healing EGO gift and healing at shops/rest stops lest they go above the HP threshold means you have a very thin safety net if you get unlucky clashes or are forced to take elite nodes. Not to mention the inherent risk of needing to be at low HP at all times, especially with Heathcliff continually draining his HP with his s3. I'll look into trying it out because it seems fun, but Shi also has some unique anti-synergies with MD that suck.

[@Welvader]

Yeah the continous drain of Heathcliff's hp is a small issue, thats a big reason of why i included fluid sac as a option

[@killerklov4214]

what if the real shi association was the friends we met along the way

[@Loufmier]

the shi association worked in ruina for 2 reasons: 1) stagger not being tied to hp, as you mentioned. 2) they had a lot more max hp than normal pages but started with part of hp missing. Yujin page starter with only 25%(or was it 50? she definitely started with most hp missing), removing all of the low hp setup. i think what could fit well for limbus is a single stagger bar at like 40-20% but with hp lower than squishiest of ids we have. that way they could go below 50% without wasting a turn on stagger, but also being in compromised position where taking damage would certainly mean shi

[@YanYanicantbelievethistakenffs]

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[@Ultra_DuDu]

Shi Ish was meta is RR1. I guess we'll have to wait t'ill we get the ID of the dude that make them work to death with a passive that makes them start at 50%HP

[@Laimary_]

That was really a lot..love see that ya trying some new content. Thanks for the video!

[@Welvader]

No problem, I hope you keep enjoying my videos! :)

[@FriendOfHatkid]

I think that, to be fair, just switch off Hong Lu for, like, any poise id and get yourself a poise fusion. They get a lot of value from it. Also, healing ego gifts are detrimental to them. I like them. And I believe we will get some new Shi ids this season. At long last.

[@TheLastCurryRice]

I felt like with this and the previous videos, there was something really interesting to consider for team building but they were framed under this weird assumption that the best IDs to use for the strategy. A video covering haste rewards and enablers for the previous one, then dropping in G Outis as a solid candidate would have been cool, this video could have covered how so many IDs have the Wrath, Lust, Envy combination and contemplated teams that use that well. (Who needs Shi Ryoshu when we have Chef Ryoshu the honorary Shi member) Hell even taking a simple concept like "Bodysack + Rapid Suppression is the best thing to do in the game, how do we min max that" and made a video around R Heath and a team that supplies Wrath (for his passive) and Lust/Envy for Bodysack I feel could have been another way to showcase the EGO fueling and resonance EGO gift portion of this video (which I think was a very cool way to look at teams) with more relevance to more team comps. It's kind of weird, I think you cover some really interesting parts of the game and I kind of wish you didn't get too deep into the humor/clickbaity side that much so the discussion can be about the interesting parts instead of haha memes. That's just my take on it. The game is simple at the surface but has a lot of weird nuance that content makers never cover so seeing even splashes of that stuff get's me typing. Hopeing to see more videos~

[@ganescus]

These edited videos have been really great so far, looking forward to more!

[@Welvader]

I'm glad you like them! :)

[@Duarte_GB]

6:35 it should also be mentioned that the keypages in LoR had higher Max HP for their level but started with less HP (the purple pages start with less 25% and the golden page with less than 75% meaning it can hit the health thresholds from the start as long as you don't heal up).

[@shienhosa6982]

Funny thing is when I’m doing my liu ish solo mirror dungeon hard, Ardor will stagger you before the clash if you go below the stagger bar

[@aDeadMansParty]

So after alot of thought I consider shi don quixote and ishmael a decent early game investment for new players. Especially if you come in later and later while needing useful EGO’s. Definitely not shi heathcliff though since LCB Heathcliff absolutely SLAPS. Great video keep up the voiced content!

[@Welvader]

That is a good point yeah, and thank you for the compliment :) I hope you keep enjoying my voiced videos!

[@Robocrab-td8dr]

Shi in library of ruina got to be way more effective since they had a whole special passive that let them start at low hp, removing the long startup they need in Limbus company

[@phoenixofzeal663]

I think Hong Lu could be replaced on the team, with another poise ID. it may not work for resonance, however, that allows the shi to actually use poise, ans gain the poise fusion gift (which makes heathcliffs s3 even better.)

[@mohamadshafiqmohamadhanifa7853]

0:02 :”i aint even wanna live no mo”

[@RoninAngel2005]

There should be a community note or a post-it because of the EGO gift "Resolution" since that ego gift ((which you get at the start)) erases the issue about lowering the HP threshold at the start.

[@miseryguy3526]

It'd be nice if they added a 000 shi id that had the ability to prevent stagger somehow so their gimmick could be viable.

[@jellifygirl]

This isn't off the table, I think it's the most likely way they'll do it even. What with Boy's Love Meursault and all.

[@halften5818]

I think making them apply aggro to teammates and doing effects on unopposed would be better ngl

[@miseryguy3526]

@@halften5818 Maybe, Maybe. That'd be good for don since she relies on RNG for enemies to target her. But we still have the issue of them getting staggered and probably dying. Like even just having a passive that makes the stagger threshold lower would be good.

[@thecamelchannel1467]

@@jellifygirl It's the same situation as Blade Lineage too; since we only have 3 Shi IDs, we have a lot of free space for new Shi support IDs, just like how BL Don, Faust and Meur *all* have the ability to improve the performance of BL allies and were able to all come out at once

[@Cat-qo3cn]

Fumo is about to enact the ESGOO curse

[@yonatanalyagon5065]

Electric screaming

[@TheUglyDuckling997]

I think there's gonna be a event for shi associations offering lots of ids like blade lineage event

[@deathshop2172]

a good idea I saw for Shi identities is that they get more damage if they're attacking unopposed, but can't clash very well. it'd be an interesting nuker niche.

[@wateriswet2775]

Yees! More love for the Shi Identities! God they suck but I got a soft spot for these suckers. Even got them all on uptie 4 cause why tf not? Never thought I'm gonna use em again but just like G Outis, thank you for introducing a fun way to use them for!

[@huysudah6567]

YUJIN RYOSHU. TRUST IN IT. TRUST IN IT.

[@AnArbiter]

3:26 I am sorry Welvader, the sephirot did not learn basic math. Or at least i didn't.

[@SleeplessBrazilLimbo]

tbh shi don at 49% is insane because you get a id that has a evade and a 30 rolling skill, also now has electric scream, which when corroded makes her lose health, but whatever, now there's the resolution ego gift

[@overtrolbmaerty9164]

shi ishmael actually carried me through the RR1. I really thought she was broken at a time

[@riverajustinmarks.]

The Shi association better appear during Ryoshu's Canto, I want that Yujin Id to be real.

[@JamJestKesh]

yuujin's birthday is in june, and we should be getting some 6,5 events around that time, so we *might* get some story event about what has she been up to. Shi association was nearly annihilated in events of LoR, with their S1 being killed off by Blue Reverb, so there would be a lot of restructuring and recruiting to rebuild it. One problem is, of course, we would want that Yuujin ID, but, being a grade 1 fixer, and i think potential color?, even Tenma being grade 3 iirc, while most of our fixer IDs are grade 5 at highest (Olga in Ruina), but it doesn't have to be her section 1, even like section 3 (Oufie Heathcliff is s3) , and there is no reason to continue the low hp mechanics (which is why i think we didn't get any yet, they would want to give them something new, and introduce it with a story event, that explains that). Of course, this is all speculation and copium on my part.

[@timfoggy]

Delayed by a day, and Don still doesn't have an evade...

[@d8RAV0b]

Theorycrafting brainrot consumes the guy once again. Most resonance based ego-gifts do not apply sufficient count if applying it at all, meaning that if one were to trigger them every round (won't happen in this team) they won't do much. At best A.resonance can provide 2 clash power (won't happen in this team), which does not make up for the subpar rolls (

[@nathanblackburn1193]

It's surprising we haven't gotten more Shi IDs given that the Shi themselves (technically) appear in Canto 4, I hope we do get some more Shi IDs in the future

[@skiletters4846]

i love the Shi(t) association , i love getting god i love getting and i love

[@mulberrytea549]

season 6 bp correction- donqui has electric screaming now, which spends her HP when she's at less than 20 charge count! it needs pride though, so you'd be relying on getting coffee and cranes or grand welcome

[@mysterionmystery151]

This is great! Now make a video explaining why N-corp is a badly designed team whose only good members are N-corp Heathcliff and The One Who grips Faust and why everyone else is bad or even terrible for the team and why we need N-corp Outis, Ishmael and Gregor!

[@DragonInstallEnjoyer]

Just beaten canto VI with basically identicall team- just swapped hong lu for cinq outis for extra utility, having ton of fun with them while waiting for boundary of memes to arrive, gonna try my first mirror dungeon run with them now

[@Angelo-ki7wr]

We wait for a BL Meursault like Shi ID that makes all other Shi IDs already start off at below 50% hp , Overwork them harder

[@ylissotato]

Thelma Mirror ID confirmed!?!?!?!

[@chikifco]

I think a way to make shi id's is to give them only 1 stager threshold nearly the max hp, but removing the possibility to give them stagger+ by erasing all other stagger bars, then they can make moves that require part of their hp, and make a support between them that cures characters below 25% hp

[@LoneWandererInbound]

Despite they all 00 IDs, they're absurdly strong for the fact they hurt themselves to hit twice as hard

[@clementverkimpe940]

I feel some kind of ESGOO curse comming... at least I hope for it because some section 3 shi would be incredible. (but personnally I thing we're not gonna see them back before canto 7 or 8 )

[@rikkin9138]

Cant wait to try this team with the new Ego gifts from MD4

[@camillecolburn9492]

Shout out to Resolution my beloved starting ego gift

[@yonatanalyagon5065]

the point about don not having an ego that lovers health is now outdated thanks to electric screaming

[@Clubette]

i had Shi Ishmael (and she was the only Ishmael ID i had by the time canto 5 came out) and i absolutely abused her in the story mode fights. The plot immortality is so good

[@twistedblob4401]

we getting down the grave with shi association with this !!!🗣↘↘

[@nojjon7956]

Welvader be like: Well, Shi association is secretly overpowered. To fully use their potential just use a fucking Liu Hong Lu and Soup Sinqlair!

[@Welvader]

The fun in the video is trying to get these silly identities to function, and hey if we need Liu Hong Lu for that imma use Liu Hong Lu lol (also soupclair was mentioned as a joke, this team can't even fuel it lmao)

[@nojjon7956]

@@Welvader you sir, is an official enemy of a Soup Gang from now. There are plenty of us (two people, actually) and we take no hostages

[@SirHusklessThe4th]

patiently waiting for the "why lobcorp remnant faust is good" video (i use her on a daily basis)

[@SirHusklessThe4th]

@@ThuanNguyen-lx4xr yes, but with all the new ids i feel like shes kind of being slept on? theres only a few videos out there where she appears and is for the support passive, or just in very concrete team builds (like the one welv made). i just genuinely think she deserves some spotlight

[@tapseymoth803]

So one thingy I thought of while watching the video. I know the strategy was a bit jokey but wouldn’t the strategy intentionally lowering your health work by forcibly corroding yourself at the end of the fight. One other thingy is that Im pretty sure that the My Form Empties Ego for Heathcliff was actually designed for Shi Heathcliff as a way of helping you deal with being staggered while also increasing your max HP giving you a larger margin to be at a higher power. The other way to drain your hp without staggering that I can think of is through debuffs like bleed that will go through the threshold. Not ideal for heathcliff staggering himself but for Shishmael it does seem a viably safe way to build it up in a mirror dungeon

[@estkhalkha6620]

the way he says "Actually🤓"

[@Welvader]

Aksually I don't sound like that at all 🤓

[@shookshark9870]

ah yes shi association, my another fun running team ( that absolution shi ego is wack with them i just need to don shi to get 100% damage reduction )

[@killaquen]

they could make where all shi have special stagger where they can still act but still take the 2x damage (and this can be easily done with Combat Start: on passives)

[@grim7784]

It hurts me alot that shi got forgotten cuz they were one of my favorite in library of ruina.

[@AzureBlazes]

I'm guessing Yuri's always gonna play as the devil's advocate in these kinds of videos

[@Welvader]

highly likely, i love using that cutscene art lol

[@MrJpc1234]

My guess is the Shi are going to play a big part later and there will be a full revamp and 000 release

[@kalel1405]

instructions unclear, took me 5 turns to suscribe due to running a random team with only 1 guy with wrath (philipclair)

[@KDude107]

I think they’ll probably be treated in the same way the BL was. We might get an event with two 000s and a 00 that fix the association’s gimmick and form a complete team.

[@farot4594]

To be fair if you want to make the Shi identities gimmick being that they are low Hp, just give them a skill that Reduce their HP by a LOT when over 50% HP and make it regen Hp when under 50% HP, ADD a Shi director that cancels the first stagger of SHi identities next turn and you're gucci

[@Ramsey276one]

10:42 SW E.G.O. looks like has the Umbra Circle of Bayonetta... XD

[@Man_Person_Best_Hero]

To be honest, the faction of assassins that are borderline suicidal in gameplay with those

[@Ranto294]

This might add salt to the injury, but i actually use Shishmael in Bl (well, just 3 of them) team (yes, with Kimsault right next to her). Can't say she works great, but it's the same reason as to why i UT 4 her and N corp Rodya - because they look cool.

[@koueikamikaze]

99% of limbus company players forget about Shi Ryoshu before she gets released on 4th April 2025 as the 4th Shi Id and the 4th 0000 id.

[@d0rkl0rd92]

shi ryoshu will be real one day i want to believe

[@Black-Soul777]

LET HIM COOK!!!

[@gaan2618]

Inverse tremor perhaps?

[@Heathcliff_LCB]

As a guy who uses The Shi Association Trio on a daily basis,I'd say that they're good,but I don't use them because of how powerful yet terrible they are.

[@aimanF987]

shi resonate team,hmmm creative very creative

[@potatomine5253]

As someone who accidentally uptied Shi Heathcliff to uptie 4, yeah, he's crap. Shi Don can get some use because of haste, but the clashing is kinda terrible with S1, and decent at best with S2. her S3 is a great clasher if she's at high sanity (don't risk it when she's below 35-45 sp). Shi Ishmael, it's sort of useful, like Don, but with a huge caveat, basically if she survives through being staggered and lands below 50% hp, but not in the grave, then yeah, go f some shit up. Shi Ish (below 50% hp) > Shi Don > Shi Ish (above 50% hp).

[@plompedu]

Maybe they'll add a Shi Assoc. 000 that damages friendly units without triggering stagger or general stagger protection Trust

[@Lsir]

For people seeing this comment and video, dont punish your self by playing Shi.

[@SrJl-ri2jz]

If only they could make their effect activated at every certain threshold like every 25% or something instead, it could probably be of great help to these kind of ID (shi and Nsault)

[@justanotherviewer9643]

Still don’t understand why Heathcliff’s skill three is Flashing Strikes when it acts more like Desperate Struggle.

[@gnarsly]

shi on my association til i boundary of death

[@alostcosmonaut4064]

ESGOO is crying and pissing right now.

[@Drako4177]

Shi Heathcliff is such a fun unit with his S3 but it doesnt gain poise!!! HE HAS NO SYNERGY WITH FUSION POISE. I COULD BE ROLLING 32 ON HIS 2 WEIGTH SKILL

[@newaswego]

I'm still coping for Yujin Ryoshu...

[@SmileSault]

Basically all their abillity look to the same names,And yet is funny PM never add 000 To add Concept Of Death

[@aisir3725]

Welvader about to be struck by Esgoo cause april fools prank is pm 4.4 not adding sh ids on 4.4 (yes im coping hard)

[@stalechite4152]

They should add a shi id that gets stronger when they reach 5+

[@YCorpManager]

only remembered for ishdon ship, which is pretty good.

[@HallowDev]

Shi for Shit Association, because that's exactly what they're eating rn.

[@HallowDev]

You sound like a deeper voice of SUPAH bruh wtf!

[@rokiecookie3832]

Easy, make it so that if the use their defensive skills they ca't get staggered like BL meursault

[@fluffdafire157]

Im suprised the shi ID dont have skills that lower there health , aside from heathcliff of course, i always thought theyd make at least the skill 2 have an on use effect where they loose hp if above 50% health

[@huhimbored1611]

Walpurgis Shi Identity? Maybe?

[@ericquiabazza2608]

Question: Do we have any substitude for the not shi ID? As Nclair isnt something Everyone has, and liu hong lu seems kinda odd and drain way to Much gloom. In hindsight stew sinclair may ACTUALLY be good now. As it heals very little. Chef ryoshu may works but she may also heal too much? In hindsight she does bleed, which Base Ego don uses for heal. Something inportant to COUNTER stagger is BLEED, as geting bleed will NOT stagger the ID unless it get hit, so you can go UNDER the treshold, finish the fight and begin next fight below it. So it may work better for the NEXT dungeon. Especially if we get thise stupid 15 bleed butlers. And they Weak to slash. Finally, first aid kit and pain killer will be escencial for heathcliff, but can backfire. A good thing is that as we progress ID get more HP so heathcliff get stronger as he can spam more skill 3.

[@StazTheBeave]

Considering the fact that every other ID is a 00, having Nclair as the only 000 is fine

[@womangaming]

shi ryoshu soon dw

[@wefeu4360]

well done,now defend this team in story content :^)

[@Welvader]

I literally said it's dogshit in story content, no lol

[@Water_Connoisseur]

To get the shi to low health in md you can just bring them solo in the first few fights to get low and go from there instead of just spamming ego

[@fierygallades6122]

Yes, but the whole issue is that he wanted to get them low without spending too much time. If you go in solo, you lose a lot of turns by getting staggered and waiting to get more skill slots so you can actually kill the enemies at a reasonable rate. He opted to use AEDD and Ardor Blossom to avoid losing momentum, to lose HP while actually killing the enemies.

[@Water_Connoisseur]

@@fierygallades6122 i proposed it more as an alternative, it's technically slower since you aren't lowering hp in the background but it's also cheaper in terms of resources and you'll get to use them at 50% hp for longer because they'll be at 50% in the second fight

[@peteromg9292]

amazing video

[@sealoverlord5120]

hey mr Welvader, could you do me a favour and make an esgoosona for your video(also known as being a pngtuber but shhhh esgoo invented the concepts of audiovisual media/j)? Joking aside, i do think that some sort of pngsona for the voiced videos might be a worth idea, fumo Vtuber avatar when?

[@Welvader]

Either I'm gonna do a fumo or G Corp Outis as my persona lmao, I love how expressive she is

[@sealoverlord5120]

@@Welvader Gcorp fumo outis

[@noyanmp4360]

Shi needs some 000 that takes all shi ids to 50% hp and gives them 50% dmg reistinse (also where the fuck is boundary of death)

[@ramadanikurniawan8541]

oh no, i have Rusty Commemorative Coin and hit the subcribe 2 time

[@NTpolyR6943]

I think you forgot the only 000 they have, the shi association N corp branch director Meursalt.

[@Welvader]

Oh true! Man I should've also included Shi Section 2 Director Queequeg Heathcliff