my art school teacher used to say: without all those people using film, making it a profitable industry, there would be no film for us. so let's hope many many people keep that industry alive. long live the hype, long live film.
@JeffWalshPhotography4 жыл бұрын
"Nobody knows anything" the truest statement on KZbin.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Me especially.....
@dennismcruz4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I feel like Uncle Dano knows a few things.
@metocvideo4 жыл бұрын
Bravo! I spent my whole life working as a product photographer and pro photolab printer/processor. I am now 70, and listening to you made me smile. You hit the nail on the head with your discussion, so much ill informed opinions in photography today, so much nonsense. I now retired and have a nice big studio and darkroom, and my pleasure in life is teaching people to develop and print, from beginner to expert, and by expert I mean having the experience to understand how to get the most out of a negative. I have some younger clients who still have me do their portfolio prints, which is gratifying. Film is still relevant in modern photography, and many people shoot film and digitise for editing, which works well and gives a good result. We were shooting 10x8 ektachrome for high end automotive shoots way into the digital era because it made the cars look more desirable. I have subscribed, and look forward to viewing more of your work.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Wow, 8x10 auto. Legendary. I used to love to talk to the auto art directors who would go on location all over the world. Talking about sunrise in Morocco vs Spain, etc. Teaching is a gift. Glad to hear.
@caleidoo4 жыл бұрын
What a genius move of KZbin to drop me this video after I watched the trillionth video about a youtuber with a beard talking about his new "these ones are getting harder to find" rare medium format camera and showing one of the most mediocre images ever. I was thinking like "Am I the only asshole in the room to see that KZbin is full of this clones of hipsters sitting at their clean minimalistic 'Ow I better put that book in the background so they see" desk with the EXACT same lightning on their face and background, talking about cameras and not showing any above average images that would not even upstage your usual iPhone photo or even images at all?" Yes, I needed to get that of my chest. I can breath again. Thanks to you.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Well, they are catering to an audience and building following. That is what they know. The photography part takes too much time, typically, for anyone these days to really invest, especially those on YT. You simply can't produce good work a fast rate.
@caleidoo4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I totally get that. And I absorb the (limited) tech info I occasionally get out of them. But it makes me giggle inside. Followers praising their images through the roof. Or fellow vloggers dropping by for a quick "You scratched my back, now I'll scratch your back" disguised as a genuine comment. It's gets bloated, styled and pretend. Which made your video such a breath (or storm) of fresh air. Can't wait for episode 002. Don't hold back.
@gd39454 жыл бұрын
Wow! This is amazing information! Finally, a authentic, honest and transparent voice on Photography. A no B.S. guy. How refreshing. We've had our differences, but I have a tremendous amount of respect for Daniel.
@ericriley51264 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I needed to hear. I've been caught in this Film-KZbin-fueled rush to buy tons of different film cameras mostly motivated by mediocre photographers who happen to have high subscribers. But lately I've been sticking to one body and one lens it's allowed me to focus on what this is all supposed to be about, the images.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Once you start making solid imagery and then printing those images the YT conversation will fade. My guess anyway.
@GaetanCormier4 жыл бұрын
Hope to see lot's more of Thoughts on Film Photography, totally love this, you are a great speaker! Cheers!
@jharrelphoto6 күн бұрын
So much knowledge in one video. I learned a lot of valuable information from this one video. Thank you so much!
@photom34 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these. I can’t stick with most people on KZbin more than about 5 minutes. I’ll take the long form ramble any day
@ronwolfept4 жыл бұрын
amen
@ronessexphotography54304 ай бұрын
Holy cow. You've just convinced me to pull my film camera off the dusty shelf. I appreciate the film processing suggestions.
@bronzepodcast4 жыл бұрын
Just subscribed to your channel because of the blunt way you spoke about this. I am not a photographer, not even amateur level. I am just a family guy interested in learning about photography with no filters or ideology.
@philipu1502 жыл бұрын
8 minutes plus in -- I love it. I'll subscribe. Looking forward to following. Best wishes.
@DANIELMILNOR5052 жыл бұрын
Ha, thank you. Good old film.
@alanfricker4 жыл бұрын
Dainel. Loved your presentation. I can tell your heart is in it. The best 35 minutes I have spent on KZbin in a long time. Thank you.
@john_murch4 жыл бұрын
Hey Daniel, thanks for all of this, so much valuable information. I plan to watch this again many times!
@The_Mister4 жыл бұрын
I feel like I get so much more from Dan’s interviews and films than I do from other photography channels that are so hyper-focused on gear and gear reviews. Gear reviews have their place but you can only watch so many reviews of a $5,000 camera you don’t ever plan to buy. None of that stuff inspires action. They’re done by KZbin vloggers for other KZbin vloggers. It’s these videos that inspire me to get moving on my projects, take them seriously, and go shoot another roll.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Thanks B. I suck at gear reviews and my two fav cams are fifty years old. Not great for getting subscriptions I'm sure.
@mrca20042 жыл бұрын
Because Dan is a PHOTOGRAPHER, not a gear collector.
@johanmatto4 жыл бұрын
I was just yesterday explaining to an older photographer I've had the fortune to assist and learn from, that I, as a kid (well, I'm 30) coming up with digital in this age, had interesting opportunities while I also missed out on some important things. I learned taking photos firing 2000 rounds on AV, then sifting through the photos in Lightroom to see if any of them turned out, celebrating myself when I found a decent photo. While that's a great way to develop a distinguishing eye for what looks good and what doesn't, it's not really image-making. I've felt happy to rediscover photography through film and learn a bunch of stuff that I wasn't really learning with digital. It's like you say, the charm is in the limitation. Thanks for a really entertaining and informative video, looking forward to more.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I did the same with digital. When it arrived it came with overshooting at epic levels. Good photographers have tappered off to some degree but you still see people coming back with 10,000's of images and think "why?"
@TracyLeBlanc3 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad a stumbled on this video. I’m now a subscriber. Please keep making content about film and film photography because it’s finally nice to listen and learn from someone who has actual experience and knowledge from years in the industry. Thank you!
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
More on the way. Not sure when but it's coming.
@adamcook63966 ай бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Please sir, more film content... More info about box speed vs real speed would be great. I'm doing my own research though.
@Thomasbrownphoto4 жыл бұрын
I got alot out of this one Dan! Love the long rants.. packed with tips and truths! I've been shooting nothing but film for 2 yrs and sold my digital gear off. It was the best creative choice I have made for the work I like to make. I I especially found the 'box speed' info interesting. Look forward to the next one.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Hey Thomas, I would sell my digital but still using it all the time for work and mine is probably not worth much anymore...
@mucnguyen20454 жыл бұрын
Finally someone with real experience to learn from.
@user-oc6sj8yk4g6 ай бұрын
Saw this back in late 90’s while I was using 810 Polaroid and 120 b&w & positive stock. Have now moved to digital and like the poster mentioned use it as I have any camera - making sure it’s in the can .. with my past film photography it was not always 100% guaranteed to have the image but as long as the kit was in working order the photograph was there after processing. Now digital allows for checking if you’re unsure but I don’t feel comfortable with the idea of is it there is it not. Just a way of thinking over a very long time in a varied career and life. Digital or film or wet plates whichever you feel is suitable for your practice, art or hobby.
@DANIELMILNOR5056 ай бұрын
Yes, it's all good and worthy and valid and entertaining.
@BryanBirks4 жыл бұрын
Making me rethink my channel with that little talk. Haha refreshing take on the KZbin world. I’m guilty of it for sure and I’m fresh enough where I can fix my ways before I’m lost forever. Looking forward to the next one of these!
@JeffBaertsch4 жыл бұрын
Thanks! This was probably the most helpful film video I've encountered. I got into photography in high school and college, switched to film after dropping out of journalism school because I wasn't using my DSLR as much, and then picked the hobby back up 8 years later after losing bike racing as a hobby. It's been a weird world to get back into as film got back into style unbeknownst to me. There's definitely a lot of videos I've encountered on here that seem focused on chasing Instagram likes.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
IG and the rest of social are nothing but pure poison in my mind. Designed to addict, designed to exploit human vulnerability, designed to destroy free will, designed to manipulate and yet pretty much every single photographer I know makes excuse after excuse for why they continue to use the platforms. WE are the problem. Yet another reason why I have little interest in the photography world.
@fotochuck4 жыл бұрын
Film has a heel and a toe, what's not to like? I've shot a lot of P3200, and I'm glad they brought it back. I'd also like to see BW400CN revived. My time is to valuable to do scut work, paying lab costs and hiring a pro retoucher, makes economic sense. It's interesting to find out that film is still acceptable to agencys today-good to know info. It always amazes me that people don't do tests. They are easy to do, and don't cost much. After testing you know what YOUR personal ISO, customized to the way YOU work. Unfortunately most people want to be spoon fed.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Testing is SO critical whether it be film or making books. Nothing in the art world comes on the first pass, everything is via revision. 400CN! Wow. I'd forgotten about that.
@kieranpicken36964 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed hearing your perspective, thanks. It's really interesting to hear from someone with your experience in the industry, especially as someone who went through the huge changes of the last couple of decades. Fwiw I don't think there's anything to be ashamed in being an amateur. I don't think that's what you meant, I am just saying that a lot of us hobbyists know full well that is what we are and are fine with it. I would even go so far as to say that being a hobbyist doesn't mean you can't produce work that matters, it's just that our audience is going to be tiny! I also wouldn't be too down on KZbinrs who don't know all the details of film. If you grew up photographically in the age of digital and didn't have the funds to study photography at uni; or you're making KZbin videos about your hobby, there's no reason you would know everything. I grew up in the film era but didn't get serious about photography until a few years ago,so everything - film and digital - is a huge learning curve for me. But I also love my day job and have no desire to chuck it all in to work client briefs as a pro. Hipster is such a vague term that I don't know if the people I follow on KZbin are the same people you refer to, but one of the lovely things about photography is how accessible it is, and therefore the variety of people who can talk about it on KZbin. For example, box speed. I have heard old hands on Photrio and FADU say similar things to you about it, but also plenty of people who just use box speed. If you are buying a film that says ISO 400 on it, are you going to take a gamble that one of the dozens of disagreeing people on fora are right, or trust the company who engineered it? I suppose what I am getting at is that people have all sorts of rational reasons for different approaches. That got very rambly, thanks for reading all the way to the end!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I think being an amateur is the best way. I really do. Have felt this way for over a decade.
@StuartHerrington4 жыл бұрын
Great Video as always Dan. I bought my first film camera 8 years ago to go with some Canon FD lenses I was using on mirrorless at the time. Figured why not have the option as I have the lenses? Messed up my first roll as I had no real knowledge. Got a second roll successfully shot, but put film aside for a while. Then after learning more on digital, I went back to try film about 5 years ago as an experiment, had a bit of fun but only shot a couple of rolls here and there. When I realized how easy it was, now that I knew more about exposure and photography, I've been shooting film exclusively in my own time for the last 3 and a half years. I've now shot about 110 rolls of film in many formats with a handful of cameras. I've narrowed down my preferred films to Ilford Delta and Kodak Ultramax and I mostly shoot just one camera and one lens (Canon P Rangefinder and a 35mm lens) on a daily basis. And I've been developing black and white for 2 years now. I've learnt a hell of a lot from my mistakes, but I'm still learning and having fun. Hopefully will put together a blurb zine soon. Looking forward to your next video!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Way to go. I would use WAY more film if I was spending my time working on my own projects but have very little time for that these days. And logistics are challenging. Zine is a good move.
@JamesBowman34 жыл бұрын
I felt like I was back in 1991 listening to my photography mentor. This is a refreshing video to find in the KZbin photography ecosphere. Please keep making this kind of video!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
That was a good year....
@adamcook63966 ай бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 I was 14 that year...anyways, yes, more film content please!
@ccoppola824 жыл бұрын
So funny. I shot film in high school and my grandfather was a professional and also professional camera technician. He had a drawer full of lenses that always looked like little gems. I wasn’t allowed to touch them. Lol. I quit photography because I didn’t want to learn to process digital files. Got back into it, digital is fine...but when I had my son I decided to shoot a LOT of film. Someday I will give him an album of tangible, archival negatives of his entire life. Plus, after building a darkroom...there is nothing more magical than watching a silver gelatin print form out of nothing. I still have digital and use it, but I carry my M6 + 50 Cron pretty much every day.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Christopher, when my dad died we found a Russian made plastic camera in the console of his 4x4. Nobody knew he had it. God knows what we was doing with it. Film is a lot of fun and looks unlike anything else.
@ccoppola824 жыл бұрын
Daniel Milnor ive been watching some of your project videos and they have hit at the perfect time for me. I’ve been thinking about a general idea I wanted to do for a couple of years but needed to really solidify the concept. I think I’ve got that down now and will begin researching. Thanks so much for doing the videos. It’s a really nice guide. I’ll be watching and rewatching as I do this.
@theblackandwhitefilmproject2 жыл бұрын
I was talking to a landscape photographer selling his over saturated colour prints at a market. I told him I shot black and white film. He said ' so you use your phone??' Not phone -FILM!!! He had no idea what I was taking about....
@DANIELMILNOR5052 жыл бұрын
Ya, it takes all kinds to create this photo world of ours. If I had a dollar for every time another photographer or industry person tried to tell me what I had to shoot...with film, keep it up!
@stefanhansen58824 жыл бұрын
This is pure inspiration. Thanks! I am an old man (well, 45) getting into photography. Just bought myself a Fujifilm X-T4, not to have any gear excused. If my photos are poor, I cannot blame the gear, only myself. I will try to implement your ideas to digital, e.g. sticking to one film simulation at a specific ISO. I think that is bound to be a wise limitation. Keep rocking!
@alvareo924 жыл бұрын
It goes against what the photo forums and reviewers say, but you’ll get the best colours, tonality and noise if you use the lowest possible ISO and try to get the exposure right in camera (as much as the highlight latitude allows you to)
@H2A2I004 жыл бұрын
As a millennial who got roped into film with the hipster/nostalgic youtubers, this was a fascinating listen and I can't wait to hear more from a legitimate professional. I myself have really paired down my fascination on gear and am currently committed to exclusively shooting with the 40mm lens I have on my Leica M4-2. Improvement is coming slowly but I believe my ability to compose an image will better for it in the long run
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Little gear is a relief. Never have to think about it. Just shoot, edit, sequence and print.
@williamhickstein6853 жыл бұрын
I shot film until 2001. I shot for the press and the Illinois House of Representatives.Then, I put down my cameras, until 2009, when I bought a point n shoot digital. @016 bought my first DSLR, and now shooting a Nikon D610 Full frame.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
Takeaway, you are still making pictures.
@nolansnook12684 жыл бұрын
The pandemic has made me slow down and be present. Shooting film again does the same for me. I am starting to look deeply and see again. Your thoughts are appreciated. Stay safe.
@Guitar_Sounds4 жыл бұрын
Amazing thanks for sharing
@peter27124 жыл бұрын
Got into photography a few years ago, Bought a digital camera ,then the stumbling block, invest my time in learning photography or spend it learning another software package. Ended up with a Nikon F2 some chemistry and a scanner. Learned photography basics first. I take the photo, I process the photo and I view the photo if someone else happens to see it and like it all the better.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
That's a good move. A great way to learn.
@edovdj86874 жыл бұрын
Love it! What a crazy ride it's been for the Foto world. You need to make a whole clip on crazy stories alone! Entitled "It just doesn't matter"...
@batworker4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I think perhaps one of your best yet. 👍😺✅
@jerryrichards81723 жыл бұрын
Started shooting 35mm in junior high with a pentax k-1000 1977 in 90 my gear got stolen in florida. So i switched to a minolta x-700. Fast forward to 2021 i upgraded to my first auto focusing camera the minolta A-9 35mm. Im looking to try digital the sony A77 so my lens transfer over. But we will see.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
That's a good lineage.
@Maxfahrer4 жыл бұрын
When I was in school, we learned to develop and print film. That was in the 90s and early 2000s. Was a lot of fun.
@ChrisWhittenMusic2 жыл бұрын
Great video !!!
@TheWaterboarders3 жыл бұрын
Excellent rant. I'm not a photographer, but I repaired cameras for 25 years and met a lot of camera owners across the spectrum. The conclusion I came to was that amateur photographers cared mostly about the equipment, while the pro photographer cared mostly about the image. All that mattered was the image. And selling it, presumably.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
My experience too. Same for truck guys, fishing guys, etc. Gear heads vs people who catch fish.
@patappaul39104 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna push back a little on this. Not that I disagree with you, but some thoughts came to mind regarding cost. I grew up with film. Im 35, got my first camera (film) at 18, studied photography at college. Digital was a possibility in college, but my lecturers where all printmakers and so to get the most out of them I stuck to film and printing. I was one of a handful of my class who did so, most others went digital, or a hybrid. I love film. HOWEVER! I had to give it up. After college, I had to pay the real cost of film, and the real cost of dev materials, and the real cost of paper, no more student discount. Not to mention the club membership I had to pay to get into a dark room so that I could actually print. I could have shot film and sent it of to get digital scans, but I'm my mind, i might as well have simply shot digital then. Alternatively, I could have built my own darkroom, but again, this cost a lot of money, and a lot of time to set up. I had to pay for rent, this passion was no longer affordable, i would have loved to be able to have made a carrier as a photographer and justify those costs, but i wasn't that lucky, and most people aren't. So I bought a used Canon 50D, and slapped on some old Olympus OM glass, and torrented a cracked copy of Lightroom, and hey presto, I could afford to take pictures again. And it cost me $300, the only other costs I have is when a project is finished it goes to Blurb (Thanks Milnor!) Here's the thing... Do my digital files have the quality of film? Of Course not! But it's the content and story that count, right? Do I miss the simplicity of a film camera? Hell yes! But it's not too hard to limit your self and say "Today I'm ignoring my screen and I'm not touching the ISO dial". Discipline is important! Do I wish my camera would last as long as a Leica? YOU BET! But if you get over your own GAS settling for used equipment is incredibly cheap, you don't need the newest and latest gear, you dont even need the sharpest, fastest lenses. My Fuji xt1 is going strong, and when it dies, I may consider a Pro 2 used, but that will still be a few years away. I just bought my first Automatic 35mm fuji lens (used of course), cheaper than the 28mm Voigt i was using, just as sharp, just as fast, smaller, lighter and built like a tank. One thing i miss about Film...Digitally i can make my images look like any film i like. Unfortunately, I'm color blind, so i struggle over color tones and saturation for hours, i end up with a large amount of decision paralysis. I miss shooting black and white and not having to worry, it came out as it came out and you had to work with what you had, once a decision was made (mostly about type of film) it was done and I moved on. I guess i need to re-engage that discipline and simply make the choice to shoot b/w digitally and move on.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I was fortunate. Clients paid for film and processing, scanning, etc.at a nice markup. So it was financially doable to continue to shoot film. I don't think anyone makes digital files look like film, including me, but all of us try. They are just two different things, one not better than the other, just different. Me, I don't care what people use. Focusing on the how is for camera clubs, YT, and the like. Pros want to see those final prints, book, etc. Or they want to see those contact sheets. Magnum has a solid book about contacts. Very revealing.
@patappaul39104 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 yeah that Magnum books on my ever growing list. Yes we TRY to imitate film, but in the end, the medium doesnt matter. No one looks at a Van Gogh and debates the type of oil paint he uses. The contact sheets are revealing but I always wonder should we be pokinh out noses in to those. I always think of Vivian Myer, we have all these images, but she never intended for them to be seen, never edited then, never made those decisions, and now shes lauded (by hipster street photogs) to be a master. Even with the spray and pray crowd, you have edit down to a finale selection. Always appreciate your thoughts and incites.
@erinmontoya11284 жыл бұрын
Love hearing from photographers who know what they're talking about. Subscription earned 👌
@mynewcolour Жыл бұрын
Absolute gold.
@roxspeedg4 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly loved this! You broke down the film v. digital debate to the true facts, with a unique and informed perspective as a pro in the industry for years. As an amateur/enthusiast photographer, I have been shooting film 90% of the time for the past few years, because 1) I love the end result (mostly a bnw shooter), and 2) I thoroughly enjoy the process. I love using all manual film cameras that I've bought off eBay for less than $100 that are often smaller, lighter, and easier to use compared to their digital counterpart, not to mention extremely less expensive. Taking my time, manually adjusting the dials to get a "right," or wrong exposure is so much more rewarding then auto everything because I feel like I'm actually making something, even if it comes out like trash. I took the time to learn the craft, something I will keep learning my entire life. Likewise, self-developing my negatives truly makes me feel like I'm contributing to the whole process from start to finish. I'm not a pro, I don't have clients to serve so I have no concerns about "sharpness" or the perceived costs of film, it's purely for my own joy. As someone in their early 30s, while I grew up with film end product, I didn't appreciate film cameras in their day, other than polaroids, in a sense I'm "revisiting" film, and I love it.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
If you are happy and making pictures then that is what matters. Film and digital are both great but require different skills and different lifestyles.
@c.augustin4 жыл бұрын
Most (or all) of the corrections for digital shots you've mentioned are part of what ACR/Lightroom and C1 do nowadays, so it should no longer be a problem. Bur very interesting story, and it shows how much know-how was actually present in professional film processing labs (and luckily still is), that people weren't aware of "back then".
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
All the analog masters, labs, retouchers, etc. are the ones who are the best at digital. Go figure.
@dialac13 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad I found your channel. This is so underrated
@nikki80094 жыл бұрын
Thanks Daniel! From a digital photographer that transitioned into film 2 years ago then back to digital due to quarantine and the inability to access labs in my area, I gotta say that learning the ropes of film has totally changed my digital process and workflow. Regardless of the medium, photography is amazing and I love both (though my Bessa R is glaring at me right now).
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of the film experts transitioned to digital really well. Not all but many. There was a multi-year period of wild overshooting, even the celebration of that overshooting. It was odd but has since tapered off.
@StreetGrain4 жыл бұрын
You are a breath of fresh air in this industry.
@bagnome6 ай бұрын
I think this video is more for professionals or people looking to be professionals than hobbyists. I'm just a hobbyist who does it for the love of the process more than anything and a good result is a bonus. And I tinker with different films in different cameras and different ways to make prints in my bathroom. In the same vein that makes me an amateur, so I can't really disagree with you. Interesting to listen to none the less.
@DANIELMILNOR5056 ай бұрын
Film is another language. I was only marginal in terms of my skill. I was a journalism type, so always on deadline which trumped anything to do with beauty.
@Matthaeus844 жыл бұрын
Just fantastic, thank you very much sir! Greatings from Cologne, best of luck to you.
@alexgweiser4 жыл бұрын
This is EXACTLY what photographers under 37 need to hear. Cheers, Milnor!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Didn't all those famous people die at 37? No, wait, that was 27. Dude, you are free and clear!
@alexgweiser4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 Hah, I'm 32! Old enough to shoot film on vacations as a kid, young enough to rediscover it as an adult. I know a lot of people obsessing over gear & fetishizing film without a real project in mind.
@HerbTheriault4 жыл бұрын
Amateur is not always lesser than. I love shooting film. Processing it in alternative chemistry, seeing the results, and talking about them with other people who do the same. I do not do this for a living (nor do I aspire to), therefore, by definition, am an amateur.
@gui4j4 жыл бұрын
Definition of amateur is “for the love of it “!!! :) I’m with you ..
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I think amateur is the best way now. I've thought this for over a decade as the actual industry got slammed from all directions. Make good work, enjoy the process.
@divineoptiks61574 жыл бұрын
I’m new to photography been a about a year now. Bought a sony a6000 then got hooked. So down the rabbit hole of photography ordering books buying every documentary i could get my hands on. Even pulled up old courses and class lessons i could find on google. With that being said i bought 3 35mm film cameras just got a rangefinder. I bought them for learning experience in the sense you got to know your roots. I do enjoy shooting the film portra 400 for me . But lol the hipster film culture is to insane for me all them flannels and beanies and deep Confucius quotes..love the video subbed , it will be good ganing some knowledge from you .
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
No Confucius quotes from me. And it's too hot for a beanie. And I have no tattoos and no drone so no chance I'm gonna fit in that crowd. I do have a van however...
@LEVLHED3 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 re: Tattoos - I'm playing the long game and waiting for not having a single tattoo to be the "edgy" trend.
@davyboyo4 жыл бұрын
So good! All interesting and definitely refreshing. I'll be following you along for sure. 😊
@frederic_viennot3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU !!!!!!!!
@mh-ic6zj4 жыл бұрын
as a younger film photographer who cannot personally relate to a lot of the history/transition youre talking about -- thank you. I really needed to hear this and it has definitely aided in my thought process and overall creative workflow
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Matthew, you might find some of it useful. Always fun to know odd things about this world.
@AndySnap4 жыл бұрын
One of the best nostalgia trips I'll go on this year... Twenty years since I shot film daily (on a newspaper), and now Mr Milnor tells me why Tmax3200 was rubbish shooting dimly lit football night games in Northern England. I believed the box...& got thin negs. Y'see, always learning. Excellent video Mr M.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
That film is magic but it's nowhere near a real 3200. Getting it right can be tricky because every lab seemed to have a different strategy.
@alvareo924 жыл бұрын
Daniel Milnor even Kodak themselves in their data sheet state it’s 800-1000 ISO speed
@heresiarh4 жыл бұрын
You need to publish a 1000-page book on film photography. I know I'd pay big money for it. Print FOREVER!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Is that really enough pages?
@heresiarh4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 That can be Book 1: The Intro.
@AnthonyTeasdale4 жыл бұрын
Just shot my first ever roll of film. Sent it off for developing and scanning. Exciting to see what comes back.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Amazing. Fingers crossed for you.
@adamcook63966 ай бұрын
Three years later, how'd it go?
@AnthonyTeasdale6 ай бұрын
@@adamcook6396 Wow, this was 3 years ago! Really enjoyed the photos I took. But my camera gave big issues with my next two rolls and since I have not done anything since. A good reminder though. Either look to service my camera or check again for other options.
@olliebuv4 жыл бұрын
Great video with insight, but it seems like a dig at amatuer photographers who are excited by gear/processes/community and educating themselves. As somebody who has transitioned back and forth between film and digital over the past few years (and i'm no pro btw) I've seen the flaws among both processes. Doing what makes you happy is the most important thing to consider here. If you enjoy walking around with an old camera and love the process of developing and scanning film then do it. If you love hi-tech gear with megapixels upon megapixels and flexible editing that's great also. And it's fine to talk about it too, why not? We're all here because we love photography, and sometimes that's the how and not just the what or the why.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I don't care what they do. This gear geekiness started long ago. Nothing new. It's just a boring conversation if you are interested in the end result. And again, this film was not film vs digital, at all.
@caleidoo4 жыл бұрын
I too feel like you missed the point of the video. And you're talking as if there is only one type you can use at once, not sure why you would imply that? Nothing is stopping you from using film and digital next to each other. If you're working with scans, they overlap even more. I just use what I feel like using or what is required for the assignment or client.
@d.idowuolutosin42503 жыл бұрын
Dan, I've been following your channel for a while but for whatever reason, this video passed me by but showed up at the right time. Like you, I shoot Fujifilm digitally and film from time-to-time for personal artistic work. I've been having this conversation, not to the detail you did in this video, with some fellow photographers who started with digital, got interested in film but know nothing about film other than what they've learned on KZbin. I sent this video to all of them today. Thanks for your insight and the "films" you load on KZbin sir.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
Poor guys. I hope it does them good. Film and digital are lifestyles in my mind. I like both, like you.
@d.idowuolutosin42503 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 agreed!
@JasonMayers4 жыл бұрын
Straight forward! Love or hate 2020, but so much is being revealed. Great video, subscribed!
@vproven4 жыл бұрын
So well spoken. I could listen to you go on and on all day long. Wait, I just did. 😏 Love you content and passion. You are the man.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I've been known to ramble.
@prajeethk43484 жыл бұрын
Great speech, I really appreciate your statements. I am a true film user. Looking forward to such open thoughts...
@Notare22224 жыл бұрын
High school first roll I developed in black and white and was done. I knew what held my passion from that day forward
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
That seems to be a common affliction. Same for me.
@eminusipi4 жыл бұрын
I'm a rank amateur but I started over 40 years ago in high school as a hobby developing film with sloppy results. I had an excellent teacher in college who taught me how to make negatives of proper exposure, contrast and development and how to make a fine print. A lot of those materials have gone away. It was satisfying to make an image start to finish.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
There is nothing quite like it. Slow, yes. Laborious, yes. Worth it? yes.
@phillnavin12123 жыл бұрын
One of your most interesting video. Been shooting film for about three years, and you are right you mentioned stuff no-one mentions. Please do more film videos, on anything, I don’t care.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
On the way...
@filipemarques784 жыл бұрын
Great video. Great content. I think you are my favorite person on youtube. Keep this videos comming. Very inspiring :)
@silaszindel81132 жыл бұрын
I'd love to shoot film more often. I do believe that the limitation is what makes you shoot more powerful images than abuse your dslr as if it was a machine gun. Unfortunately I'm a broke photographer who can't afford shooting film.
@DANIELMILNOR5052 жыл бұрын
Well, you can always process yourself and buy bulk rolls of film but I hear ya. Prices now are somewhat crazy.
@silaszindel81132 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 It's always a view of priority and value for someone I guess. But you've got a point there.
@guyonabike24152 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video. I was the typical general professional photographer in the film era. To be honest I would have loved the immediacy of a digital camera in those days. Polaroids were used on big shoots but it wasn't accurate enough. Clients weren't interested in equipment or type of film used. I made a good living but stepped away as digital took over. I'm pretty sure that if Cartier Bresson was alive today he would be wielding a smartphone.
@DANIELMILNOR5052 жыл бұрын
Yep, the good ones don't draw lines. They keep an open mind and they test any and all. Then they use what gives them the result they are after.
@guyonabike24152 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 i take the point about how post editing can consume your time. I could shoot a couple of weddings over a weekend. Drop the 120mm films in a lab on Monday morning and pick complete prints up on Friday. Leaving me with plenty of time for Portrait or corporate work. Now photographers take hundreds of shots and spend a week in front of a PC. Wedding shooters are there all day and most of the night. I could shoot a big wedding in 3 hours. In that respect digital isn't an improvement. However, stick a digital on manual and treat it like a film camera and therefore minimal or no post processing. I think its an improvement over film in many ways. A roll of film plus lab processing and your looking at about £20 here. A mint used 24mb digi SLR will set you back about £400. Equals 20 rolls of film. Film has to be a love thing.
@ZachBie4 жыл бұрын
I am an armature, I’ll admit that. I am younger than you, and it was really interesting hearing your perspective on shooting film professionally. I shoot and develop and scan my film (sticking to B&W only), going through 100-250 rolls of film a year. I agree with shooting without a meter. It is so much more freeing. The only time when I want one is when shooting indoors. As far as only one film, I’ll compromise for two films. I shoot Delta 100 @200 whenever I can, but Delta 400 @400-1600 when I need more speed. I used those plastic boxes for 60 rolls of 35mm when traveling S.E. Asia for a month in January of this past year. Also less is almost always more. I have found that 3 prime lenses is the max, and two is often enough. Good video, keep it up. I clicked on the video without knowing who made it, and I was curious what some hipsters had to say about this topic.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I think I'm too old to be a hipster but a foreign trip with a bag of film and no assignment....that is pure heaven. I miss those days. Hopefully, once C19 resolves, we can get back to our voyages.
@gui4j4 жыл бұрын
thanks Dan, been waiting to hear your talk on this for a while ....great knowledge and thoughts it was fascinating to me .to listen you .. ... some food thought for sure ...
@JohnSchellphoto4 жыл бұрын
Totally with you here in regard to the how vs why. My biggest gripe with the KZbin and Instagram photographer community pushing their 'zines is it's always because of the 'how' (film) and almost never the 'why' (artist's intent, artist's purpose, etc). Thanks for putting it out there.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Well, I they are catering to a crowd. Whatever the crowd eats they will serve. Same for all social. It's about popularity. And once you make the deal you have to roll with what the masses want. It's just a boring conversation if you are possessed by the final product.
@pembridgehouse4 жыл бұрын
The best I took away from this is "It just doesn't matter". I am keen on film and digital having started photography in 1975 reasonably seriously. All the things you say about film are true but I am just happy to see people embracing photography whether it's film,digital, iphone,pinhole,holga,polaroid etc.. In reality the best negatives are arguably the old glass plate ones.The detail in those pics is amazing.That would slow us down a bit.Almost to meditation speed.Thanks for creating content. It does stimulate thinking.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Geoff Thompson I’m about to do something in regard to glass plates
@pembridgehouse4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 thanks Daniel. I particularly am a big fan of Darius and Tabitha Kinsey. I have a big coffee table book of their work which is amazing.I think I will do a book review on it soon.The technology they used was mainly glass plates with massive cameras and tripods.
@ejacks34 жыл бұрын
You found your way into my KZbin feed and I’m glad you did. Glad to hear someone dropping some true wisdom about film photography. You have a new subscriber. ☮️✌🏾
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Thanks Eric. Just rambling on...as I tend to do.
@elifan25232 жыл бұрын
On fire 🔥 Solid points and great insights
@joseerazevedo4 жыл бұрын
I needed to hear that! I shot all those films you mentioned in the 80s and 90s. After that I focused on life as an art director. Now I'm returning to my passion, still have many of those in the freezer, including Panatomic-X (my BW passion). It was so nice to hear you, brought SO MANY good memories back, man! Thanks!! Stimulating! I'm having a hard time finding the right things to rebuild my darkroom, but things are on the right track, My F2 and F3 are ready. You've no idea how much it was stimulating to hear this. My best!!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Just left you a comment but it didn't go through for some reason....hmm. Careers were made on Panatomic X. Also amazing were the papers available which all had heavy metals so it was an environmental tradeoff. Glad you found something worthy.
@joseerazevedo4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 sure! That was incredible. A 32 ASA film that had grain and tones not competing with each other. How I loved it. Hope the ones on the freezer do well when I decide to use them. I'm from Brazil, darkroom materials are hard to find but I'm working on rebuilding my home lab with quality materials. I'm impressed by how many things vanished! Well, we have to deal with whaat we have and do our best to take the most of it. I've the same vision on many points. I see people today don't know what they're doing. They don't undestand liight, they shoot 1000 pictures on a day and believe that's photography. In my opinion that's editing, no photography. I'm an Art Director, I've heard many times "photographers" say "later we fix that on Photoshop" - whatever it is, from bokeh to background colors, composition, focus, you name it. ABSURD! As you said it's much easier to take three shots right. But you have to KNOW what you're doing. And many know the equipment, the techniques, but lack the vision. I follow thw Ansel Adams school: visualiza what you want and work to get to it. Daniel, pleased to meet you! I've already subscribed to your channel. I'll watch you videos and sometimes hope to have the pleasure to exchange ideas, vision, concepts with you again, ok? My best!
@alvareo924 жыл бұрын
Daniel Milnor a note: Fuji RDP is still relatively widely available, in its third revision, known as Provia 100F. It’s pushing abilities are, I assume, even better now with the technological advancements. I’ve pushed it two stops and indeed it looks amazing, clean shadows with no shifts
@rickdacosta97273 жыл бұрын
I sold the film gear I had as a teenager in 2016 when I thought film was on its death bed. Went digital the same year with modest equipment. I discovered capabilities that digital offered that film just could not match but.... the rush just wasn't there. 2020 comes along and I discover film is making a resurgence. Bought a bunch of gear on Ebay and am setting up a darkroom to print B&W and color. The rush is back! Just buying gear I couldn't hope to afford in the 80's gives me a rush. God I love not fighting the camera anymore for focus!
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
All good. Have fun with it!
@Bastian77374 жыл бұрын
Holy shit Daniel! Can i spam this video everywhere? So true! Nice words. Keep going on with this topics, we need it!
@ilperfezionista4 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved what you just said. I just started developing film at home simply because I love the fact that you can really touch the images. I love to develop and love to go shopping for films. The printing is going to be the next step. You know what is the most boring and less enjoyable part to me is? The scanning process. I lost almost completely any interest on the digital side of the process. I almost became allergic to the computer. I love the feeling that images (which is the document of my life, being just an amateur passionate about photography) really take space around me and not only in my HD. Long life to film photography! :-)
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I spend my entire life in front of a screen now, for the most part. I too can't handle the scan times and it's also difficult to get a good scanner now.
@gui4j4 жыл бұрын
Ditto . It seems if many people could have a dark room they would . The computer side is zzzzzzzzz...
@markusandersen18804 жыл бұрын
Man can I say as an artist who studied fine arts from 2000 - 2004 ... I learnt the beautiful zen of processing BW (and colour) and the endless frustration of the darkroom (for me)... Now as an artist who has done global Shows and books I can only continue to create if I’m shooting film ... I need the organic nature of creativity (for me). I understand light with film , can pre vis the print with film , the organic nature links to my meditation and spiritual practice... Your a good soul Daniel (love your glasses as well) , a real soul and one who understands that we are all just vibrational energy moving from one state to the next ! NB; Plus I Was the guy long ago who told you about ticks on northern beaches of Sydney, AU 🙏 Lyme disease is a dirty little secret that Australian doctor say..”it doesn’t exist here”... it does exist here in Australia
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Markus, I REMEMBER you and I remember that conversation. And yes, the Oz medical world tries to downplay Lyme and has from the beginning. I've spoken to many folks who are suffering and apparently they made it difficult on doctors if they even admit Lyme patients. I too love film. But much of what i shoot today isn't really worthy of the time and logistics of film. I rarely ever get to work on projects these days, so mosts of what I shoot is filler or just valuable for my other work purposes.
@markusandersen18804 жыл бұрын
Daniel Milnor purchased Lab 257 a while back , terrifying stuff.
@Caracalaba4 жыл бұрын
That transition era is so interesting, love to heard your story
@jacobkannel47874 жыл бұрын
This is the film KZbin we need. Not patreon fueled shopping addictions lmao. Idk how I could be a decent photographer constantly shooting 20 different cameras and film stocks. I think a lot of photographers need to listen to this video. Understand it’s about the image and not how you arrive at the image.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Ya I think if someone is switching systems all the time it is difficult to build cohesion.
@joeltunnah4 жыл бұрын
That was entertaining and educational. I stopped shooting film in 2010, but I eventually decided that for color at least you simply can’t duplicate it with digital. It’s not better or worse, just different. That’s what drove me back to film in 2020. Definitely an amateur, so take my opinion for what it’s worth. Pros are constrained by economics and practicalities, whereas I’m not bound by much of anything. ;-)
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Just another reason why I think being a hobbyist is more fun than working as a pro, at least now.
@deane90504 жыл бұрын
fantastic Daniel, i have been itching to get back to film photography, the only thing holding me back is the cost of processing.I may look into learning the basics of black and white processing as i mainly shoot black and white with my nikon d3 and 50mm lens, i think you put your arguments over very well and thank you ,very imformative, best wishes and be safe. Jeff
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Processing film is SUPER cheap. And it's easy and fun and offers endless variety.
@Bogaloo12323 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. It made me realize I’m most interested in the cameras, the mechanical/physical part of the film world than in the actual picture taking. I’ve been thinking about this for a long time, probably a couple of years, and you just made me realize that I’m right about it. The good thing about this is that it doesn’t really matter because it’s not my profession, I can goof around all I want with interesting medium/large format gear dating back to the XIX century, modding cameras and lenses, designing backs for instant formats and such, without caring a lot if I’m “doing it right” or if I’m being “professional” about the final result, my pictures. It’s a great thing to have film photography as a huge hobby rather than living off it. But I do see your point regarding “professional” photographers (they love to be called that way) whom don’t really know what they’re doing or why but they love to pretend they know everything.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
You are not alone. There are considerably more people interested in the equipment than actual photography. Always been this way but even more so now with Internet. Data don't lie. Nothing wrong with it. I love cycling and think the bicycle is one of the most important inventions of all time.
@doubleletter Жыл бұрын
Thank you for being honest. I realized the same thing, it’s like a love for pretty, tactile machinery… but I am serious about my photos too. Realizing why I am interested in gear and accepting it allowed me to forgive myself for GAS and I began to treat my love for cameras separately from my love for photography, so that the former is not confused with the latter.
@mitchellblaser92564 жыл бұрын
Just to add to the conversation here, from the perspective of someone who’s starting to get into creating KZbin content. As much as I can see where you’re coming from on the whole “they don’t know what they’re talking about thing”, I think there’s also a balance between creating interesting content that people want to watch and relaying every possible piece of information possible about a film stock or camera. For me, I try to tell stories about what I did when shooting, rather than the roll of film or the camera itself, and the photos act as a medium to convey that (remembering that I am an amateur and a student, so it’s not any commercial work or anything - most of my stuff is shooting with friends, or just experimenting with something new). Also, for me film was just the obvious choice, I want to take good quality photos, and my cheap digital camera couldn’t even get close to winning in a fight between any 35mm camera, and really I just enjoy the process. Also, even for the people who are more uneducated and don’t know what they’re talking about, if people enjoy the content that these “hipsters” produce, who cares if people start shooting film because they think it’s cool? At the end of the day it’s just a medium, and it doesn’t really matter to others anyway. Rant over, cause I went on way too long here lol.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Mitchell, I don't really care what they know or don't know. They obviously have a huge audience, and if those folks are happy then so be it. Not hurting anyone. But for me that content doesn't rise above the attention bar because I know so many other people who DO have quality and experience to offer. Maybe not on YT but in real life.
@shaundonnelly45374 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 out of curiosity and willingness to learn. These folks in real life who have the quality and experience to offer - how do we go about accessing that knowledge in a digestible way? I think what brings me to KZbin is being able to hear the thought process and the results from following that process in one place. (apologies if you've covered that in a video, I've only just stumbled across your channel)
@abdrulahmanscorner38614 жыл бұрын
This was really sobering. I became serious about photography about 2 years ago. I loved taking pictures all my life, though but I had no idea what I was doing. I found the community to be seriously toxic and sophicating and I never realised why until recently. It's because the community right now is run by gear heads rather than real photographers like yourself. It says a lot it is when I started looking up real photographers like Bresson or Robert Frank that KZbin algorithm started recommending the likes of you and Sean Tucker and Ted Forbes. Thank you.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
The truth is that online photography is mostly about conning people. And some folks are really good at it. It's not a malicious con or anything dangerous. It's just a numbers game promoted by the brands and the people willing to shill just about anything for anyone. And then you realize they don't really know anything about photography and you can move on. I love cycling but don't talk about bikes much. I love birding but don't talk about my binoculars. I love writing but don't fixate on the pen.
@abdrulahmanscorner38614 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 this is precisely why I'm thankful people like you are taking this platform to speak about real photography. I've been listening to your interviews on different channels almost daily in the past week and it was really eye opening. To have real photographers tell you about the reality of photography in an age where people with millions in following label themselves as professional photographers and all they talk about is how to make your photos more moody in photoshop or how to take "banger shots" is a real blessing.
@CristianGeelen4 жыл бұрын
I always dump all my rolls in a big plastic see through bag when I travel. From Myanmar to China they were happy to give me a hand check because customs loved seeing my cameras haha. The bag makes their live easier and a smile always helps too. Also keep on rambling, Daniel. Always love photography ramblings. :)
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Same for me, most of the time. TSA is like "Hey, that's film, how great is that?" On the flipside you now see customs forms with "Do you have more than 12 rolls of film," and if so they try to nail you for importing or trying to sell. They also don't understand that most pros don't shoot film and the guy next to you in line with the iPhone who is streaming live and posting nonstop is the one most taking advantage.
@CristianGeelen4 жыл бұрын
Lisa W I know the video you are talking about. But it’s the new CT scanners that you have to worry about. They make a 3D scan of the contents of your bag and are 100 times stronger. Kodak and Ilford released a new protocol for them. And besides. If your photograph earn you money you just don’t want to risk it. Even with the old ones.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
@@lisaw150 Also, I've had TMZ base fog after two scans. I shot that film for ten years and traveled with it extensively. scanners are hard to predict.
@Barzyz014 жыл бұрын
ok, you win, I subscribed. Excellent points.
@Topsyrm4 жыл бұрын
So much sense in all that Dan, I started when there was only film and have been through digital and come back to film but will use either depending on what I am shooting and why. Great post.
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Ya, it's a decision made at the front end of a project and then forgotten about.
@stacker623 жыл бұрын
Great video, Daniel! Everything you just said, I've been saying (sometimes ranting) to other photographers since 1999!! I almost forgot about good old EPP, we went through thousands of rolls of that stuff at the studio where I worked back in the 90's.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
It was SO odd that THE film companies tried to emulate more than any other was EPP. Technically, there was nothing good about that film. Wasn't a true 100. Didn't have fine grain. Didn't have high saturation. Could not be pushed. But the combo of ingredients was unique.
@DarrenRowse2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video - really enjoyed watching it. I fell in love with photography as a teenager and it was never about the film or the lens or the camera. It was about the feeling of imagining how a scene/subject would look and trying to capture that... and that feeling of seeing if I had done it or not when I saw the resulting image. Somewhere along the way it became more about the stuff I was using to capture images (it was never 100% about that but there were periods where I definitely became distracted by it). In those times the joy I experienced from photography waned. Digital definitely hurt my love of photography. In fact it's been 20 years since I shot film and I so wish I'd seen this video before I made the switch. It's only in the last few months that I've swung back and have begun to reconnect with what I loved about it back as a teen. Running my first roll of Tri-X through my camera at the moment and immediately switched it to 250 :-)
@DANIELMILNOR5052 жыл бұрын
It's like assembling a puzzle. Things that trigger our creativity or brain paths. It can come and go, like film, but whatever you need....keep looking for it.
@bepitan4 жыл бұрын
limitation breeds creativity..
@aidinmb66794 жыл бұрын
great talk man , thanks to these collectors now we have expensive and expensive film gears , because the trend is to romanticize the film and film camera not talking about the actual body of work like which camera you use. as if using some certain camera and film makes you photographer or artist!
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
Making great work is rare. And it certainly does not work for social media, hence the lack of this conversation. Too easy to just obsess over kit.
@aidinmb66794 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 you are professional man, but also happened to me that I just had to come back to film, I mean right after I bought my first camera ever which is xpro1 and still working to this day but I had to have Minolta srt101 next to it. 6 years after I am taking picture with Olympus xa , and shot my last personal project with it for 5 months. The point is for me that I grew up in 80s , camera and film is just sounds natural , but as much as I enjoy my digital , it's just hard to keep up with it, because like you said just process is too much, you get your negative from the lab, edit the scans for Max 1 hour and you are ready whereas you edit the digital photo, try to make it as you want to be looked like film and after one week you still wanna change the colors .it's jut too much to back and forth. I mean in my level.
@Being_Joe3 жыл бұрын
Not even 1/8 into this video and I just became a huge fan. Preach on.
@DANIELMILNOR5053 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jose. Glad you like.
@Being_Joe3 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 No thank you. There are not many sources of actual photography knowledge on YT, it all gear reviews, affiliate links, and SquareSpace. Refreshing to hear someone just talk about the work.
@MacValdee4 жыл бұрын
Would be interested if you made another video around the idea of not shooting your film at box speed or if you could point us in a direction for some resources around this that would be very helpful
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I wish I knew of a good resource. There is so much testing required with film if you want to find the nuance that allows you to get what you are after. In school I was shooting at box speed. When I started assisting my mind was blown by the range of what I saw.
@MacValdee4 жыл бұрын
@@DANIELMILNOR505 that makes sense. I'll keep testing stuff out and see what I can get. I really appreciate the content. It's all been very thought provoking as I continue my photography journey
@ynkkruse4 жыл бұрын
I'm 28 and picked up photography as a hobby about 5 years ago. I shoot Olympus digital and really enjoy that. But I remember playing with my Dads film cameras as a kid, being fascinated by the mechanism. Now that Olympus is selling its camera division, I picked up an OM1 from the early 70s on eBay. I now spend around 4 hours a day at my kitchen table firing the shutter, NO film loaded. I just love it. Once I turn 30 I will buy some film and learn to shoot full manual. Maybe.
@markuslarjomaa31224 жыл бұрын
Why wait when you can start shooting film today?
@DANIELMILNOR5054 жыл бұрын
I love the old OM's as well. Fun cameras and the shutters have a unique sound.
@1Bujbuj4 жыл бұрын
This is really interesting, as someone who got swooped into the hipster hype train.
@alonzo2k4 жыл бұрын
You tube mostly 90% hipster info. Just a few out there like Dan say it how it is!
@mrca2004 Жыл бұрын
Every time I watch this video, I not only get inspired to shoot, but learn more. I first developed film in 1960 and to this day, the smell of fix reminds me of those days. You are so right, it is not just the look I get from film, portra and 3200 in 645, I love the process and making every shot count. It makes me craft every image, not just blast away and chimp. My question is with portra you indicate shoot at 100 and push process 2 stops. Do you mean meter at 100 and develop for 400, 2 stops higher, ie, normal? With 3200 film, would you meter at 1250 and process at 3200?
@DANIELMILNOR505 Жыл бұрын
I don't shoot Portra that way but many of the photogs in Los Angeles did that. This was during my time at Kodak Professional. Nobody seemed to shoot Portra at box speed, and I mean nobody. I rate it at 250 and process normal. And yes, I rate TMAX 3200 at 1250-2000 range and then process for 3200.